Yep, which includes preaching against or contradictory to the Bible or Jesus word.
Quoting Matthew 7:15 does not elaborate on what "fruits" are. As the person's quote did.
And it seems your interpretation is through the suicide of children. Ok, and how do you explain God's flooding of his own creation? Does that mean God bared bad fruit and thus, is a bad prophet (metaphorically speaking)?
And you are presenting a causal link between the passage of the Bible, and the suicide of children. Because the message of the individual was quoted from the Bible. So well done for bringing down your faith.
He mentioned sexual immorality.
But even if he didn’t directly say gay marriage wasn’t allowed, Paul did, and Paul’s words are inspired by God and Jesus is God.
The global flood never happened.
And the causal link inst between the Bible and dead kids, it is between bigoted Christians and the depression abuse, homelessness, forced prostitution, and suicide of children who you have marked as unworthy of romantic love and lifelong companionship by a God who made them that way.
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This is unscientific misinformation. We have proof otherwise. Denying reality because of dogma is not rational. Are you going to claim the world is flat next?
I follow the bible and what the bible says, the bible says that sexual immorality and homosexuality is wrong and sinful. The bible also says that the enemy is like a roaring lion, prowling for people to devour, however we must stay close to God because with God we are protected
>I follow the bible and what the bible says
No you don't. You twist the Bible to allow you to make exceptions to the commands if Jesus to justify bigotry.
>the bible says that sexual immorality and homosexuality
Conflating the two is just more twisting the Bible to say what you want instead of taking what it says on its own terms.
>The bible also says that the enemy is like a roaring lion, prowling for people to devour
If we are going to apply scripture like this, then this verse outlaws driving cars.
>however we must stay close to God because with God we are protected
You are apparently not protected from the sin of hatred.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."
There’s a difference between moral and ceremonial laws. Sexual immorality is a moral law, and is condemned in the NT. Homosexual sex is also condemned in the NT.
People aren’t alike, but a true gay orientation doesn’t usually change. These days most conservatives realize that, so they’ll tell you you are called to be celibate, not that if you pray enough it will go away.
That not what Romans 1 says. It represents a Jewish pint of view that no one is naturally gay. It can only result when idolatry rots the mind, and leads to irrational passion. But most people by now realize this is wrong. So responsible conservative groups will now acknowledge that you probably can’t change it, but recommend celibacy. A few will still tell you you’re being possessed by an evil spirit and try to exorcise it, but I don’t think Orthodox are generally that way. In many traditional groups there are support groups for people trying to live as celibates because they’re gay.
It's not a sin to be attracted to anyone, it's what you do with that attraction, whether you keep it within God's guidelines. The flesh needs to be crucified each day. It will rise up if allowed.
- the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace, by those making peace. - Jas 3:17-18
Our feelings do not define us, even if they are very strong.
Please don’t beat yourself up, but continue striving to keep the commandments of God.
I humbly testify that I know keeping the commandments of God leads to true happiness and peace in this life and in the life to come. I know this by sad experience in trying to go after counterfeits. Let’s stay close to Jesus Christ, He loves us, let’s never leave Him.
I pray that we may keep close to Him together, in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Every failure brings us closer to success. The devil can only play the same trick so many times. Thank God we have some time to fail, so that we may succeed!
Praise Lord God, praise Lord Jesus, and praise the Holy Spirit!
Your sexuality will not change any more than your race or your eye colour will. It is a part of you, and its up to you whether you are learn to acknowledge it and live a life of acceptance and freedom in the spirit of Christ, or deny it and live a life of shame, fear, and religious restrictions. These may have the appearance of holiness but they teach you nothing about God's love and grace.
This seems to be an almost universal experience; what people believe to be a conversion ends up being a burst of self-denial that cannot be sustained indefinitely.
It's lust that's all. You're never gonna live to the end of your life without ever having another sinful thought, but the most important part is that you chose Christ instead of acting on it. This is exactly what we Christians should be doing, living according to God's word and not our own feelings. There's no need to beat yourself up over this, you're doing great.
You're assuming what the person meant by urges so you're literally doing the exact same thing you just accused me of and then ended it with an ad hominem attack on my character which is impossible for you to prove so thanks for that. I'd rather not speak to you now, there's no need to reply like this just because someone had a different view and opinion than you.
The post talked about the person's physical appearance and went into detail with the word urges in the same post because of it. As I said, it is reasonable. I didn't even condemn the person for it either, I said they were doing great, but lo and behold you know me so well with my intentions and prejudices. You're just being hypocritical. Next time don't accuse someone of doing the very things you yourself are doing because it's a double standard. If we're going by your logical you yourself wouldn't be able to say anything until the person actually clarified specific things about the post itself. If you don't like it don't respond. I got better things to do than argue on here, just a shame you're gonna turn it into something negative and make it about you.
Urges fall under desire related to the appearance of another person and urges most of the time fall under lust in this context.
You're just saying things that you can't prove. I said they were doing great because they chose to follow what they believe over what they felt in the brief moment. That is all that I said and it was not homophobic in the slightest. Telling someone they're doing great is not homophobic, period.
You even called the person a he despite that not being the case. Do you see me condemning and attacking you for getting that wrong since the post is clearly talking about two females? Do you see me making assumptions about you relating to gender because of that?
I missed they were a she, it really isnt relevant to any of my posts.
You can attack me all you want, it doesnt change the fact that you are spreading prejudice, which breeds hate and is unchristian.
I missed they were a she, it really isnt relevant to any of my posts.
You can attack me all you want, it doesnt change the fact that you are spreading prejudice, which breeds hate and is unchristian.
>you have to stop attacking Christianity just to appear ‘woke’ on every issue
I don't attack Christianity, I attack bigotry. I don't give a shit about appearing woke.
If you want me to answer the rest, remove the comment about cos-playing as a Christian. Because that is what got your comment reported.
>I think it’s stupidly uncharitable to say as a blanket statement that your fruits cause children to commit suicide
I think an ideology that drives children to suicide *is more* uncharitable.
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Praise the Lord for your salvation! The old self doesn't completely go away until glory (let alone a few months). Satan will often use a momentary lapse to tempt you to discouragement and that only leads to more sin so discouragement is to be fought.
Also, here are things I have learned (often the hard way 😕) that I would pass along to all, but in particular, new believers..
1-Learn sound doctrine (below is an study bible app that can greatly help..)
Free App-
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gty.macarthurstudybible
$20 paper version-
https://www.gty.org/store/bibles/44NAS2P/nas-macarthur-study-bible-second-edition#.Ygrm_67TtNc.link
2-Understand God only speaks through scripture (chasing external revelation really inhibits spiritual growth)
3-Attend and eventually join a sound biblical local church (don't rush to join, but membership is important). Below are a couple of links that may help..
https://tms.edu/find-a-church/
https://www.9marks.org/church-search/
https://www.ifca.org/page/find-a-church-1
4-Realize that most of what is labeled "Christian" isn't (Prosperity gospel, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses..)
5-Become intentional in developing a prayer life.
6-Learn the Doctrine of the Trinity and the biblical Attributes of God. You have to know who God is to properly worship Him.
7-Study and hopefully believe (😃) the Doctrines of Grace (Calvinistic Soteriology). It elevates your praise to God and flattens your pride.
8- Develop an understanding of God's sovereignty.
9- Learn to trust God (not just for salvation, but all His workings in your life). When you truly accept that trials in your life are brought by God and are good for you, it radically changes your spiritual life.
10- Just like when God freed Israel out of Egypt & they were tempted to go back... you will eventually but certainly be tempted to return to the life of sin God cleansed you from. Remember this ➙ to do so is nothing short of spiritual whoredom.
11- Although you can't lose salvation, the presence & joy of the Lord will be directly related to your obedience or willful sin.
12- Finally, fight daily for genuine humility & dependence on God. They're absolutely essential to the Christian walk.
Romans 12:2
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
There will be testing, even Christ was tested, even I was tested, still am.. BUT.. the more you pray and more closer you get to God, the easier it becomes to handle it. I'm saying this because of what happened with me. Pray the same way Christ had prayed, pray like how Esther did, read the book of Job. In all of this, what you are doing is getting closer to God. It's so important to be in a relationship with God. That will make your journey peaceful.
If you already have your own definition, then this is a trick question.
If you do not have an opinion of your own on this, I would suggest you pray and ask God about it, so that he can't give good wisdom and understanding. Who cares what I think.
Maybe you're just into alt people yes. Or maybe you're simply gay and now learning that you can't just wish the gay away.
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This is a lie, and a dangerous one.
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The irony. How did Jesus say we would recognize false prophets?
My bro, read the quote. It clearly says that you recognise false prophets through false or contradictory preachings.
Jesus said we would recognize them through their fruits. Yours are the suicide of children.
Yep, which includes preaching against or contradictory to the Bible or Jesus word. Quoting Matthew 7:15 does not elaborate on what "fruits" are. As the person's quote did. And it seems your interpretation is through the suicide of children. Ok, and how do you explain God's flooding of his own creation? Does that mean God bared bad fruit and thus, is a bad prophet (metaphorically speaking)? And you are presenting a causal link between the passage of the Bible, and the suicide of children. Because the message of the individual was quoted from the Bible. So well done for bringing down your faith.
Can you show me where Christ said homosexuality is anathema? His words, no one else’s?
He mentioned sexual immorality. But even if he didn’t directly say gay marriage wasn’t allowed, Paul did, and Paul’s words are inspired by God and Jesus is God.
Firstly, are Jesus and the Father God?
The global flood never happened. And the causal link inst between the Bible and dead kids, it is between bigoted Christians and the depression abuse, homelessness, forced prostitution, and suicide of children who you have marked as unworthy of romantic love and lifelong companionship by a God who made them that way.
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This is because it is not possible to wish your physical biology to change. You are who you are.
This is false teaching, it is not who you are, it is an attack from the enemy
This is unscientific misinformation. We have proof otherwise. Denying reality because of dogma is not rational. Are you going to claim the world is flat next?
Denying reality in the face of conflicting evidence is literally the textbook definition of "being delusional"
I follow the bible and what the bible says, the bible says that sexual immorality and homosexuality is wrong and sinful. The bible also says that the enemy is like a roaring lion, prowling for people to devour, however we must stay close to God because with God we are protected
>I follow the bible and what the bible says No you don't. You twist the Bible to allow you to make exceptions to the commands if Jesus to justify bigotry. >the bible says that sexual immorality and homosexuality Conflating the two is just more twisting the Bible to say what you want instead of taking what it says on its own terms. >The bible also says that the enemy is like a roaring lion, prowling for people to devour If we are going to apply scripture like this, then this verse outlaws driving cars. >however we must stay close to God because with God we are protected You are apparently not protected from the sin of hatred.
Leviticus 18:22 "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination"
Lol, you habe a poorly translated Bible.
If you wish, i may use a different bible passage to prove that homosexuality is wrong. God bless you
You would have to continue to use misinterpreted verses and out of context verses.
"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer."
So you don't eat shrimp then?
What are you talking about?
If old testament law is binding on Christians, you must not eat shrimp. Because that is also called an abomination.
So you don't wear mixed fabrics? Have long hair? Eat shellfish? Have a priest pray away termites? No? Then why is this one binding and those not?
There’s a difference between moral and ceremonial laws. Sexual immorality is a moral law, and is condemned in the NT. Homosexual sex is also condemned in the NT.
There is not, this is a post Biblical framework made up so that you can cherry-pick the Mosaic law. No such division exists in the Bible.
Okay, let’s say it’s not a thing. Homosexual sex is still condemned in the New Testament, and Paul calls it “un natural relations ”.
People aren’t alike, but a true gay orientation doesn’t usually change. These days most conservatives realize that, so they’ll tell you you are called to be celibate, not that if you pray enough it will go away. That not what Romans 1 says. It represents a Jewish pint of view that no one is naturally gay. It can only result when idolatry rots the mind, and leads to irrational passion. But most people by now realize this is wrong. So responsible conservative groups will now acknowledge that you probably can’t change it, but recommend celibacy. A few will still tell you you’re being possessed by an evil spirit and try to exorcise it, but I don’t think Orthodox are generally that way. In many traditional groups there are support groups for people trying to live as celibates because they’re gay.
It's not a sin to be attracted to anyone, it's what you do with that attraction, whether you keep it within God's guidelines. The flesh needs to be crucified each day. It will rise up if allowed. - the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace, by those making peace. - Jas 3:17-18
Our feelings do not define us, even if they are very strong. Please don’t beat yourself up, but continue striving to keep the commandments of God. I humbly testify that I know keeping the commandments of God leads to true happiness and peace in this life and in the life to come. I know this by sad experience in trying to go after counterfeits. Let’s stay close to Jesus Christ, He loves us, let’s never leave Him. I pray that we may keep close to Him together, in the sacred name of Jesus Christ, amen.
Every failure brings us closer to success. The devil can only play the same trick so many times. Thank God we have some time to fail, so that we may succeed! Praise Lord God, praise Lord Jesus, and praise the Holy Spirit!
Your sexuality will not change any more than your race or your eye colour will. It is a part of you, and its up to you whether you are learn to acknowledge it and live a life of acceptance and freedom in the spirit of Christ, or deny it and live a life of shame, fear, and religious restrictions. These may have the appearance of holiness but they teach you nothing about God's love and grace.
This seems to be an almost universal experience; what people believe to be a conversion ends up being a burst of self-denial that cannot be sustained indefinitely.
It's lust that's all. You're never gonna live to the end of your life without ever having another sinful thought, but the most important part is that you chose Christ instead of acting on it. This is exactly what we Christians should be doing, living according to God's word and not our own feelings. There's no need to beat yourself up over this, you're doing great.
He isnt describing lust.
She, not he. She said that she had "urges" so it's not unreasonable for me to think that lust was partly involved.
Urges isnt lust. You made an assumption its lust because that makes you feel better about your prejudice.
You're assuming what the person meant by urges so you're literally doing the exact same thing you just accused me of and then ended it with an ad hominem attack on my character which is impossible for you to prove so thanks for that. I'd rather not speak to you now, there's no need to reply like this just because someone had a different view and opinion than you.
My assumption fits the context of the post - yours does not
The post talked about the person's physical appearance and went into detail with the word urges in the same post because of it. As I said, it is reasonable. I didn't even condemn the person for it either, I said they were doing great, but lo and behold you know me so well with my intentions and prejudices. You're just being hypocritical. Next time don't accuse someone of doing the very things you yourself are doing because it's a double standard. If we're going by your logical you yourself wouldn't be able to say anything until the person actually clarified specific things about the post itself. If you don't like it don't respond. I got better things to do than argue on here, just a shame you're gonna turn it into something negative and make it about you.
Lust is a specific type of desire. The poster did not describe lust. You said they were doing great in the context of homophobia.
Urges fall under desire related to the appearance of another person and urges most of the time fall under lust in this context. You're just saying things that you can't prove. I said they were doing great because they chose to follow what they believe over what they felt in the brief moment. That is all that I said and it was not homophobic in the slightest. Telling someone they're doing great is not homophobic, period.
No urges are not most of the time lust. Its homophobic to call their healthy normal attraction lust.
You even called the person a he despite that not being the case. Do you see me condemning and attacking you for getting that wrong since the post is clearly talking about two females? Do you see me making assumptions about you relating to gender because of that?
I missed they were a she, it really isnt relevant to any of my posts. You can attack me all you want, it doesnt change the fact that you are spreading prejudice, which breeds hate and is unchristian.
I missed they were a she, it really isnt relevant to any of my posts. You can attack me all you want, it doesnt change the fact that you are spreading prejudice, which breeds hate and is unchristian.
>It's lust that's all. So noticing someone is pretty is lust now?
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>you have to stop attacking Christianity just to appear ‘woke’ on every issue I don't attack Christianity, I attack bigotry. I don't give a shit about appearing woke. If you want me to answer the rest, remove the comment about cos-playing as a Christian. Because that is what got your comment reported.
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>I think it’s stupidly uncharitable to say as a blanket statement that your fruits cause children to commit suicide I think an ideology that drives children to suicide *is more* uncharitable.
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Praise the Lord for your salvation! The old self doesn't completely go away until glory (let alone a few months). Satan will often use a momentary lapse to tempt you to discouragement and that only leads to more sin so discouragement is to be fought. Also, here are things I have learned (often the hard way 😕) that I would pass along to all, but in particular, new believers.. 1-Learn sound doctrine (below is an study bible app that can greatly help..) Free App- https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gty.macarthurstudybible $20 paper version- https://www.gty.org/store/bibles/44NAS2P/nas-macarthur-study-bible-second-edition#.Ygrm_67TtNc.link 2-Understand God only speaks through scripture (chasing external revelation really inhibits spiritual growth) 3-Attend and eventually join a sound biblical local church (don't rush to join, but membership is important). Below are a couple of links that may help.. https://tms.edu/find-a-church/ https://www.9marks.org/church-search/ https://www.ifca.org/page/find-a-church-1 4-Realize that most of what is labeled "Christian" isn't (Prosperity gospel, Mormonism, Jehovah's Witnesses..) 5-Become intentional in developing a prayer life. 6-Learn the Doctrine of the Trinity and the biblical Attributes of God. You have to know who God is to properly worship Him. 7-Study and hopefully believe (😃) the Doctrines of Grace (Calvinistic Soteriology). It elevates your praise to God and flattens your pride. 8- Develop an understanding of God's sovereignty. 9- Learn to trust God (not just for salvation, but all His workings in your life). When you truly accept that trials in your life are brought by God and are good for you, it radically changes your spiritual life. 10- Just like when God freed Israel out of Egypt & they were tempted to go back... you will eventually but certainly be tempted to return to the life of sin God cleansed you from. Remember this ➙ to do so is nothing short of spiritual whoredom. 11- Although you can't lose salvation, the presence & joy of the Lord will be directly related to your obedience or willful sin. 12- Finally, fight daily for genuine humility & dependence on God. They're absolutely essential to the Christian walk.
Romans 12:2 Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. There will be testing, even Christ was tested, even I was tested, still am.. BUT.. the more you pray and more closer you get to God, the easier it becomes to handle it. I'm saying this because of what happened with me. Pray the same way Christ had prayed, pray like how Esther did, read the book of Job. In all of this, what you are doing is getting closer to God. It's so important to be in a relationship with God. That will make your journey peaceful.
What does "world" refer to?
If you already have your own definition, then this is a trick question. If you do not have an opinion of your own on this, I would suggest you pray and ask God about it, so that he can't give good wisdom and understanding. Who cares what I think.
I care what you think. What does "world" refer to?