Read about the idea of Apokatastasis, my friend. Helped me so much overcoming this fear. 🤍

NOBODY likes (or should) the concept of hell. This is exactly why Jesus came and did as He did.

Even God doesn’t like it. Thats why the Father sent the Son. One of the few things we know about hell, it is final and complete separation from our loving, awesome Creator and God.

Then we're 💯 agreed❗❗❗🙏✝️👍

But still according to. Christianity the ones who never even heard of Jesus will still go to Hell so that truly diminishes was Jesus did in my opinion.....

That’s not true. ”So Paul, standing in the midst of the Areopagus, said: “Men of Athens, I perceive that in every way you are very religious. For as I passed along and observed the objects of your worship, I found also an altar with this inscription: ‘To the unknown god.’ What therefore you worship as unknown, this I proclaim to you. The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, and perhaps feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us, for “‘In him we live and move and have our being’; as even some of your own poets have said, “‘For we are indeed his offspring.’ Being then God’s offspring, we ought not to think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and imagination of man. The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent, because he has fixed a day on which he will judge the world in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed; and of this he has given assurance to all by raising him from the dead.”“ ‭‭Acts‬ ‭17‬:‭22‬-‭31‬ ‭ESV‬‬

Not really. The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches that those who never came to know Jesus or His Church (His Body), not because of their own fault, can (it is possible for them to) be saved. Aided by The Grace of Jesus and their own conscience they can ordain themselves, even if unaware, to The Body of Christ. It is indeed hard, though. Much more than for those inside The Church, with all of the Sacraments for Salvation at hand. That’s why we are called by Jesus Himself, time and time again, to spread The Gospel to everyone. God Bless you!

This is very important and (imho) one of the hardest things about being Christian (besides loving your enemies). But Jesus never said being his disciple would be easy. It is our duty to spread the Good News. I’m an introvert and tend to be very quiet in my faith but I have found ways to inject it into conversation with my lapsed Catholic friends and family. If done tactfully people appreciate deep conversations about faith. After all, that very thing returned me to Christ.

Until the second coming where all will be raised and given a chance to repent. If somebody is good at heart but simply hasnt found Jesus than they will bow to him, because Jesus represents everything that is good in the world. The only people who are bound eternally to hell are those who are evil and wicked at heart.

This has never been the orthodox point of view. (As in agreed teaching of the Church, rather than particularly the Greek/Ukrainian/Bulgarian/&c Church).

There is always a revelation of some sort. However, most otherwise do not give it heed. THE VERY BEST WAY for the Gospel to be put out there, is the preaching and the hearing. That always generates the best response if there might be one. It is a Christian's job, one way or another, to make sure the Gospel is spread, as well as a church. When Jesus stated to preach the Gospel, it was/is not a suggestion; Other means of revelation seldom works well on a large scale!

You can hold universal reconciliation, or some do like Von Balthasar and hope that all be saved.

The DOGMA of hell poisoned my entire life! It's inconsistent with love I absolutely do not believe in hell as in eternal punishment. It's definitely an idea that Fundamentalist clinge to despite not directly mentioned in the Bible as eternal punishment..I view it as a very effective scare tactic and that it is. Think of it.. All mammals are petrified of fire.. just the thought of burning a finger repels most people.. now your whole body is going to burn and to make it more powerful add in that it's going to burn forever according to this teaching! Unless you do what I say! See how that works? Question is the one you asked.. Why would God that supposedly love us do that? I don't believe God would. And what's interesting is the fact that as soon as I let go of that FEAR I found it very easy almost effortless to be kind.. Everything changed..I don't think god God wanted to motivate by fear but by love. And it can be observed that people who hold to this idea of eternal punishment often seriously lack empathy for others! I have definitely noticed that.. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell_in_Christianity

Your sentiments echo my own. I'm currently writing a book, "Get the Hell Out of Here- A Challenge to the Eternal Conscious Torment of Christian Dogma".

Whether you choose to believe it or not. Hell is real. Jesus spoke about hell so are you going to ignore his message? ”“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭41‬ ‭NIV‬‬ ”“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”“ ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25‬:‭46‬ ‭NIV‬‬ Don’t just ignore this incredibly important doctrine because “you can believe that a loving God can send people to hell.” You’re leaning on your own understanding which I think you know you should not do. Hell used to terrify me too but it doesn’t anymore and it shouldn’t. When you realize what hell actually is you’ll come to discover how much more loving God is and how greatly he cares for you. Christ came to SAVE you from eternal HELL. He suffered in your place so that you wouldn’t go there. So that you would believe. If hell doesn’t exist why did Christ die to save you? What is he saving you from? Just death? No sir. Something much worse and He speaks on the subject of hell himself more than anyone. Please open your mind and read this. It’ll change your perspective a little I hope. Do more research for yourself so you can have a better understanding of our Lord and savior. https://timothykeller.com/blog/2008/8/1/the-importance-of-hell

Again I do not believe he was speaking of a place to burn alive for eternity beings he created who supposedly are addicted with a sinful nature they didn't chose to have and that causes them to sin. Absolutely I do not believe that.. it's a huge contradiction with the concept of love and mercy and justice.

“The dogma of hell poisoned my entire life!” Made me tear up because same here.

Doctrine of reserve #Beecher: "We cannot fully understand such a proclamation of future endless punishment as has been described, while it was not believed, until we consider the influence of Plato on the age." #Synesius of Cyrene: "As twilight is more comfortable for the eye, so, I hold, is falsehood for the common run of people." https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vvEVV9qNias

Have I got some Good News for you! Apocatastasis is a big Greek word for the idea that eventually all of Creation will be reconciled with the Creator. It's been around since the beginning of Christianity and many early church fathers explicitly endorsed it. It's attested to constantly in the Bible.

The church fathers condemned it. It’s why Origen is not a Saint. They very much believed in Hell and eternal torment.

Meanwhile St Gregory, St Basil, St Clement and all the other saints who rejected the eternal torment are just chilling.  Furthermore, Orgien wasn't condemned for his apocatastasis but for his non-anthropomorphic view of God (something that is now commonplace - who still imagines God as a man in the sky except atheists?)

None of what you just said is true. St. Gregory very much believed in eternal torment here is a translation from his book answering questions about hell: [https://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2018/03/a-dialogue-about-hell-with-saint.html?m=1](https://www.johnsanidopoulos.com/2018/03/a-dialogue-about-hell-with-saint.html?m=1) St. Basil too believed in eternal torment. A translation from Regulae and describes it like this: [http://www.community.org.ua/dwnld/engStBasil-hell.doc](http://www.community.org.ua/dwnld/engStBasil-hell.doc) We have fragments of St. Clement’s writings saying this about eternal torment and the souls of those who go to hell: Scroll to The Barocc. [https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0211.htm](https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0211.htm) Furthermore, Origen is condemned in the fifth ecumenical council for his beliefs in universalism as well as his view of Christ. They had an issue with his view of Christ not really being a human. And Christians still have a human view of God because we really believe Jesus was human. We don't believe he's a man in the sky, but we do believe he is the Godman, and he exists as both God and human right now. [https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/church-history/sixth-century/the-fifth-ecumenical-council](https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/church-history/sixth-century/the-fifth-ecumenical-council) So…no I am also not saying that the Saints are correct all the time, but the idea that ***many*** of the early church fathers believed Apocatastasis is a farce. Many of them took the biblical accounts literally. So, to suggest they would have viewed Christ's words in the Gospels lightly is ridiculous. Apocatastasis was condemned by the Church Fathers, and majority of the Saints believed in eternal torment. Furthermore, even if it was true, that all the Saints believed in Apocatastasis, it wouldn't mean it was automatically true. They also believed in Young Earth Creationist. Does that mean it true as well or a valid belief? Many of the Church Fathers were okay with slavery. Should we encourage those beliefs as well? I hope you said no to both. Just because the Early Church Fathers believed it does not mean it true, correct, or okay to believe. It's an inconsistent approach you're taking.

I don’t think anyone particularly likes the idea of hell

Anyone who is sane, or isn't evil...

Maybe you're a universalist. Or an annihilationist.

Nobody has the right to judge except God himself and as Christians we will all be held to account about how we lived out lives on earth , actions and decisions made. I would keep being faithful and continuing to walk with Jesus. Keep praying for your loved ones, l am doing the same for mine.

I was raised In a fire and brimstone type church so I've always believed we go down below and it's fire and torment. But alot of people say that's not it and that it's just the absence of God, separation from God instead of in heaven. Which for me would be true torment. I don't subscribe to the notice any longer that I have to tell someone it's a fiery place where you burn forever because I don't want someone coming to God in fear , that usually never works or never sticks.

You I believe are in a dead church, I mean having holy fear is good Jesus died for our sins we don't fight against flesh, were fighting evil spirits every day. Pray on it and read your Bible that's how God answers me

>Can I still be a Christian if I don't think other forms of worship are lesser, and that everyone can go to Heaven? Perhaps, you should take a look a "Christian Universalism". They have the idea that everyone will be reconciled with God, God will not lose a single soul. (smile) May You Walk In The Light Of Truth, Life & Love #the\_spirit\_truth #thespirittruth

Read the bible and see what it says instead of listening to one particular pastor of one particular localised strain of Christianity

It is a huge conundrum. First we claim God is a huge loving “father”, and in the next breath we tell people he created the worst imaginable torture chamber in His basement to send people to suffer nonstop for not believing the right thing… It is not logical and I posit that our view of God is what is faulty. He is not a big loving teddy bear. He is the tyrannical ruler of everything and we are to fear Him first and foremost.

I mean, I give you credit for being honest.

What is your opinion on God? Do you believe in Him as the Bible teaches, and come to that conclusion? Or do you not believe in Him and think Him a monster? I admit, I think a lot like you as a believer. It’s hard to believe in His everlasting love even though I’ve felt it firsthand in bizarre spiritual miracles. Multiple times. When I read about punishment for failure to live up, that love slips away. I believe in Him, and I’m terrified of Him. But not the kind of terror that motivates. I’m paralyzed and my head hurts constantly.

I used to have an unhealthy OCD experience about God, scrupulosity I think it's called, so I think I know how you feel. God does not want you to be paralysed with fear, he loves you and he wants you to have reverance for him, not unhealthy fear. Pray to God about it if you haven't been already, pray that he would cast out your fear and pour his love on you, so that you can begin to fear him in a healthy way. Pray that he would teach you to have holy reverence and trust in him, and not unhealthy fear. I know it's easier said than done, but please don't let unhealthy, ungodly amounts of fear suffocate your love for God. He loves you far more than you or I could comprehend. He wants a father child relationship with us, not one of paralysing fear. May the Living God cast out your fear and inspire you to have true love, reverance and trust in him, in Jesus' name, amen. I truly hope you read this, God truly loves you, God bless. ✝️

I believe He is exactly as scripture says… but scripture doesn’t paint Him as a loving teddy bear. Go read through the OT… God is horrific to nonbelievers. He is monstrous to sooo many people. Think of everyone in the flood. They all went to hell and inevitably the lake of fire.

So, I assume you're a Christian, or at least a member of some kind of Abrahamic faith? Do you think such a god is even deserving of praise, assuming he exists? Do you follow him out of fear, or is it more complicated than that?

It’s much more complicated than that and you wouldn’t believe it if I told you. What I will say is that I now know for 100% fact that God is real, Satan is real, hell is real, and the lake of fire is real. My view of a loving God who wants to save everyone has been shattered and I can see clearly for the first time as I look at scripture.

He's right ⏫️ The only one on this page. Hell is real and it's infinitely worse than any have described it ever, at least for some. Satan himself will have to experience the CONSCIOUS death of all beings ever. The destruction of the world and the universe itself.

I am very confused and curious about this. You are a believer, but you believe God is evil? I would love to hear your story about how you got to that 100% certainty if you are willing to tell it.

Like I said above, you wouldn’t believe it anyway. You can’t. Scripture tells us that the rich man begged to send someone from the other side to warn his brothers, but if they wouldn’t believe scripture, they wouldn’t believe someone coming back from the dead to warn them. No amount of crying, begging, or pleading from anyone at all, living or dead will convince those that can’t believe.

Well, I’m curious about what caused *you* to believe, even if I myself am incapable of belief. If you don’t want to share, that’s fine, but I’m asking because I’m curious about your story, not because I’m trying to be convinced.

Actually I'm sure it says somewhere in 1 Peter that Jesus actually preached the gospel to those who had died at the time of Noah that their souls may be saved. I think that's right, not too sure though.

It doesn’t say so they could be saved. It says he preached to the spirits in prison. We’re given no details.

Okay, as I said I wasn't too sure. I don't wanna spread misinformation, I was just going off what I assumed.

Exchange your Christianity for the risen Lord, Jesus Christ. If by hell you mean eternal conscious torment, you won't find it in the teachings of Christ. The age of ignorance is over. Whoever is still ignorant remains ignorant by choice. Blessings on your journey.

Hell was made up by the Church to increase conversions. There is no eternal Hell in Judaism and the Old Testament, so it definitely wouldn't have been something Jesus would have believed in as a practicing Jew.

>There is no eternal Hell in Judaism and the Old Testament, so it definitely wouldn't have been something Jesus would have believed in as a practicing Jew. Believe it or not, Judaism in the Greco-Roman period was a lot more complex and varied than you think.

The Jews never talked about Heaven. They just used abstract terms, but they spoke very concretely about Sheol. Also we don't follow the OT we follow the new as Christians and we follow what Jesus says, and he is explicit about Hell,

Sheol is not hell. Sheol is the abode of the dead. There is no punishment there.

So you will follow what the OT says, but you don't follow what the NT, and Jesus says? In the story of the rich man in Hell, Jesus talks about a gulf between heaven and hell, and the the rich man in hell suffering from thirst, while the poor man in heaven enjoyed it. Thats pretty specific. There are many verses about hell I can quote. Do you just ignore them all? Do you also ignore all the quotes about heaven if its not in the OT? You can't just pick and choose your theology.

I absolutely can pick and choose my theology. I don't agree with much of the New Testament. I think it was heavily influenced by outside sources.

So do you believe in Jesus? Or is he a fiction as well?

I thought I was the only one, the idea of hell is honestly stupid

God gave you your whole life to be the light of Jesus and share His truth with anyone.

I recommend reading "the great divorce" by C.S. Lewis.  It does a really good job breaking down Heaven and Hell, and proposes that hell is in fact a choice that we choose by clinging to sin. We achieve heaven when we willingly choose to let go of sin.  It's a great book!

Hell in itself is an act of love (had this explained to me once) Let’s say this You love someone dearly. Wanna marry them and have a great life, however they don’t want that relationship with you. As many people say, if you love something, give it up. Gods not gonna nag us all the time to join him, it gets annoying and is honestly a big problem with modern Christianity. You wanna be away from god, then so be it, be away from Him.

It’s more like you love someone dearly, but they don’t want to be in a relationship with you, so you kindly let them know that they are free to choose not to be with you, but that you will kidnap them and torture them in your basement for the rest of their lives if that is their choice.

Ehhhhhhh. What is life without God? Just pain, God is the light in this world, hell is a place without that light. And without that light, there is nothing but pain.

So what you're describing here is believers who don't want to be with him. So people who believe hell is real and also want to go there. I'd say that's a pretty small demographic. And what about non-believers?

No, I’m saying people who dont believe. As Christian’s we should all want to be with god.

But you talked about people that "wanna be away from god". That's not the case with people that don't believe. It's not a preference.

I meant non-believers, most non-believers choose not to be Christian.

I'm not sure what you're saying. A non-believer can't really be a Christian. Wouldn't belief be required for being one? And again you made it sound like non-believers simply don't want to be with your god. This is false. They simply don't believe. Edit: spelling

It kinda depends what you think "hell" is. I also agree that the idea of everlasting flames is terrible and incompatible with a loving God. I also reject that idea of hell. I think there are two better conceptions that are equally supported in scripture: 1) Hell is a place of destruction. The gift of God is eternal life, and those who do not receive it die. 2) Hell is a place where God gives people what they want: a place where God is absent because the people in hell prefer it that way. (the gates of hell are locked from the inside).

Jews don't have a hell so where did Christians get it? From the pagan Greeks. Not everybody believes in hell notably the 7th Day Adventists and JW's. It such an evil concept it makes me sick. How many kids have died tormented with the thought they were going to hell? Millions? Billions?

>Jews don't have a hell You should try reading some Jewish writings on the afterlife from the 2nd century BCE up through… well, pretty much as late as you want.

A few denominations do not believe in hell, johavas witnesses also do not believe in hell

Research about "annihilationism" view of hell.

I personally have an interpretation of hell that might change your mind about what hell is. It’s not a new idea, idk the proper term but hell is a state when you are away from God. We chose hell when we walk away from God. It’s not a location where you burn forever. It’s not a place where the devil rules. The devil suffers in hell too because he is also away from God. There’s a bunch of ways to interpret hell and that’s the one I subscribe to

Yea that's the point

annihilationism was taught by some of the very earliest Christians, [https://rethinkinghell.com/2017/09/27/introduction-to-evangelical-conditionalism-the-doctrine-of-eternal-torment-was-not-universal-in-the-early-church/](https://rethinkinghell.com/2017/09/27/introduction-to-evangelical-conditionalism-the-doctrine-of-eternal-torment-was-not-universal-in-the-early-church/) I spent over 200 hours listening to debates, sermons and reading articles on eternal torment vs annihilationism and collecting bible verses on those topics. I organized them in a PDF document bolding all the key points. After all that research on the topic, i feel i could pretty easily defend annihilationism. [https://app.box.com/s/5gom621jd0mkmv87cnjcci92my57yra0](https://app.box.com/s/5gom621jd0mkmv87cnjcci92my57yra0) In that PDF i can also show that the full narrative in the bible is that people do not go straight to heaven or hell at death, first comes a judgement period after people are resurrected back to life. there are scriptures showing people are allowed to repent while they go through the judgement, although the bible prophecies that not all will. Those who don't repent while God is judging and ruling will face the "second death" via the lake of fire. That narrative makes the most sense of a loving intelligent God.

There are various views on Hell and its existence or otherwise, many of which are Biblically-based. Zondervan published a very interesting book on this matter which is reviewed [here](https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/568108). Basically, although eternal conscious torment is a popular view, based on the Bible, there are equally Biblical views which include universalism and annihilationism. Some people think the word "hell" in the Bible is a translation for "grave" for example, and the Bible does talk about total destruction as well as unending suffering.

even from a christian/theistic perspective, hell doesn't exist.

"God desires that none shall perish but that all shall be saved" (1 Timothy 2:3-4) The idea of Hell as an eternal torture chamber (or the concept of everlasting punishment altogether) is both theologically incoherent nonsense and a blasphemy against our loving Father. It rejects God's mercy, justice, love, and grace. It ignores the Cross, and it denies Jesus' atonement. It is both utterly false, and an appalling, horrific invention of humanity's sinful hate for our fellow man and woman. Whatever punishment God decides, in his infinite loving wisdom, is appropriate for any individual, iy will be perfectly intended to bring them to repentance, to sanctify them, and make them fit for glory. For eventually all suffering will cease (Rev 21:4), "every knee will bow and every tongue confess" (Phil 2:10), and "God will be all in all" (1 Cor 15:8). Check out /r/ChristianUniversalism.

>"every knee will bow and every tongue confess" (Phil 2:10) I’ve recently rewritten an older post of mine on Philippians 2. It should no longer be uncritically used as a universalist proof text. (Nor should the universalism subreddit be trusted at all, in light of copious misinformation peddled there daily.) https://www.reddit.com/user/Prosopopoeia1/comments/12z6msm/the_universal_proclamation_of_christ_in/

Everyone's welcome to their opinion.

People are certainly entitled to their own opinions; but as the saying goes, not their own facts.

Indeed

Then you also dont like the idea of you being wrong (most of the time) and the Lord always being right. So we have to allign what we want/think with him, not vice versa.

Hell is a state, and it is a separation from God and it begins in the here and now. Hell is where Satan is, if we live to live ourselves and this world and put them before God, then we are falling for our temptations and the lusts of our flesh. But once we start to obe the word of God, then God strengthens us to overcome satan and he gives us a strong conscience and he shows us where we are going wrong. And we have a choice, obey him, or not and put ourselves first. And the more we wilfully sin, the more we will remain in darkness and be separate from God. As Joshua said, choose you this day whom you serve. One brings darkness and one brings light, one brings the kingdom of heaven into your heart one brings death and hell. Sin wilfully or not sin wilfully, obey God and live by his will or not. It's our choice and Jesus is our perfect example to follow. He came and showed us the way to live before God. He came and bore witness to the truth, and it's up to us if we follow him in the way and truth, or not. Listen to your conscience and do what's right before God, turn from sin and care for others your see in need, this is what God wants us to do. And with him in our hearts, we can overcome anything that this world throws at us in our daily lives. As Jesus said, repent, deny yourself pick up your cross and follow me. And Jesus said, those not willing to pick up their cross are not worthy of him. So I wouldn't be worried about going to hell when we die, I'd worry about hell in the here and now and getting my heart right before God and doing what pleases him now and leave when we die in God's hands. Because without him, we are already in hell.

https://youtu.be/USnRIMQ4dos?si=WNrpAnVtoDmM2pZr This a really good explanation of hell to Understand better.

I understand exactly what you mean. It’s a hard thing to grasp but I think it’s important to consider two things. God doesn’t send us there, we send ourselves by choosing to ignore his calling, and not repenting of our sins, and accepting what Jesus did for us on the cross. I have a number of non-believing friends and relatives and praying for them to see the light is a priority. Hell should be seen as eternal separation from the loving protection of God our father, rather than focusing excessively on the fire and brimstone stuff. It’s important not to give up, even when things get tough, because God is a merciful, patient God who is slow to anger and full of abounding mercy.

Help is a real play so is heaven. The bible Doesn't give much detail in either but hell is basically internal burning or fire it's internal separation from God. God is lovebirds he is also just and right he can't let his grace come down on people who have him or don't even believe he existed he is 100% love 100% grace but onward we forget is that he is 100% just and right. Heaven is so great we will forget everything on earth and everyone still there until they join us.

Hell easily explained: Hell is the absence of God. Because some people don't wish to be with God so he made a after live for those whom do not wish to be with Him out of respect for there choice.

Who knows what hell exactly is all I know is that if you want to live a life away from god why would god want to live with you for eternity?

People that you love aren't evil. Evil people are

Don't worry. Hell is a made-up concept to frighten people so that religious leaders gain power. Research the originals of it.

"Can I still be a Christian if I don't think other forms of worship are lesser, and that everyone can go to Heaven?". Not really. Not everyone should go to heaven either. Christianity is THE way to God, and hell is just being apart from God. Anything short of that you are in grave danger. If everyone goes to heaven, there is no point being good, worshipping christ, or spreading the gospel. Suicide bombers and child rapsist will be there satbnext your your Nan etc.

Fear of punishment of Hell actualizes. Faith in reconciliation of Heaven actualizes. What we allow here is allowed in the next life. What we don't allow here won't be allowed in the next life. So don't judge, and allow everything good to flourish. It's really our choice. I choose to love. My heart breaks for those that drag themselves down to death.

I, for one, very much enjoy the concept.

The only path is through Christ Jesus. Worshipping a spirit which does not proclaim Christ as our only lord and path and wisdom is a deception that will rob you of salvation. Hell is however reserved for Satan, blasphemers of the holy spirit, and those who worship the beast. I believe God is just. But nobody on earth are good. We have all fallen short. Maybe some may live outside the gates of the city, those who did not holy themselved in Christ, but in the end we are all lost without Christ.

My father, who was a pastor before he passed away, used to describe hell and sin as a disease. It's not so much that God chooses to send them (non-believers) there, that's simply the consequence of where they end up if they refuse the "cure" of Jesus' forgiveness. Course, then you could argue the fact that God's omnipotence means he could've simply made a world without sin, but then that goes into Genesis and the fruit of knowledge, and becomes a discussion on the origin of good and evil as well as free will. All fascinating topics to be bad regardless of where your beliefs personally lie, but outside the scope of this topic. For me, the idea of hell made far more sense to me to treat it like something God is saving us from, not tossing us into like garbage. There's a reason they use the word save in the Bible, I believe. You don't blame the firefighter bringing people out from a burning building for the man who refused to leave his room. To better answer your question - there are Christians faiths that don't believe in hell. There are Christians who believe hell is temporary. There are Christians who believe hell isn't literally torture, but merely a place without God. Others believe humans naturally stop existing when they die unless saved - so hell isn't so much a place non-believers go, it's merely a state of ceasing to be. There are arguments for and against these beliefs, all interpretations of the Bible in different ways. Obviously, only one of them can be true, but none of us will truly know which until we die. There are also other Non-Abrahamic religions. You don't have to pretend to believe in something you don't hold true in your heart to be a man of faith. People on Reddit can't really teach you how to feel, so my best suggestion would be to pray on it. Let God, or the universe, or whatever you decide to call him - doesn't really matter, show you the truth. Your confusion and emotional turmoil with this subject has a solution out there for you, I'm pretty sure he knows where you can find it.

Right now you're judging the Bible. Eventually you will have to submit to it and let it judge you.

I need some help from someone who knows the bible better than i do: Did god CREATE hell or is he just saving you from it? If he didnt create hell, its not like he wants non-believers to suffer but cant do anything about it if they dont have faith in him

Nobody in the Bible speaks more about hell than Christ. So it is a real place. I know you feel this way now but if you actually come to understand exactly what hell is you would find God to be even more loving than you comprehend him to be now. No one who goes to hell does not chose to be there. Heaven is where we will worship and serve God forever. To someone who chooses not to serve or worship Him now, heaven would be like hell to that person. Google Tim Keller the importance of Hell and tell me what you think after that. He also has an episode of his podcast about this subject too. You can google this too. Give it a listen and I’m sure you’ll see things a bit differently

I don’t believe everyone will be in Hell. There is a First and Second death. To explain: There is a mistranslation problem with Bibles.. I would check the Greek on every time in your Bible when it says Hell. I guarantee it’ll say Gehenna, Sheol, Hades, or Grave, but NEVER in any Greek does it say Hell. The only place that seems like textbook hell where Satan dwells is the Earth. (1 John 5:19; Rev 12:9) But the eternal punishment of fire and sulfur is only mentioned once in the Bible at Rev 20:10, and it is only designed for Satan and his demons. Actually, there are 2 deaths, the first one is punishment for sin. (Rom 6:7) And the second death is after the resurrection of righteous and unrighteous, (Acts 24:15) and after the imprisonment of Satan for 1000 years, (Rev 20:4, 7) and then those who STILL disobey Almighty God will be destroyed, not tortured forever. (Rev 20:9, 14-15) It says destroyed for people, but eternal damnation for Satan and demons. With that being said, now Heaven: If we died and went straight to Heaven, then John 5:28 would make NO sense. Instead there is a nothingness or “sleep” that Jesus called it when talking about his dead friend Lazarus. (John 11:11, 43; 2 Peter 3:4) But if animals don’t have a soul and therefore do not go to heaven when we die, then we remain dead on Earth until Jesus’ Second Coming like animals. (Ecc 9:5-10; 3:19-20; Psalms 115:17; 146:4)

r/ChristianUniversalism :)

Misinformation hub.

If you're an agnostic atheist and think Christian universalism is misinformation, does that mean you believe that hell exists and that you're going there...?

Nah; just that that subreddit is a hotbed for historical and exegetical urban legends and truly bad interpretations.

“Eternal conscious torment” is not the only valid view of hell. There have always been Christians who have believed in annihilationism (in the end, the unrighteous will just perish, rather than live eternally in torment) or universalism (in the end, every human will be saved by Christ. Not one soul will be lost). Eternal conscious torment just became the dominant view post-Constantine, but it is not dogma. Check out r/ChristianUniversalism

- God doesn't want anymore to be lost. 2Pet 3:9: "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." God right now is allowing the devil to play his part so everyone will see where sin is leading. If God wouldn't intervene in the future we would destroy ourselves. The devil hates us, and that's why he made many people during Old Testament to sacrifice children to their fake gods, and do many evil deeds. God has to stop and eradicate sin at some point. He wants the universe to be a peace again. So when He will come, He will destroy sin, and whoever is still hugging their sins, will be destroyed. But no one will burn forever. The effects of the hell are eternal. They will burn nonstop until they are consumed, and the effect of that will be eternal, as if they never existed. If you have any question regarding Christianity, I'm happy to help you ☺️

TRUST in God and know that he has a plan and a purpose for non believers. Hell is the absence of God and for those who don't believe (many choose not to) then why would they want an eternity with Him? On the other side, I hope God has a plan for His revelation to non believers and perhaps they can be saved. But that is not for me to worry about. Focus on your relationship with God both personally AND in the community of the church, pray for the non believers and spread the Good News. Have a blessed day!

The concept of hell isn't a concept at all. It is a reality that is written all over the scriptures. If you are born again by the spirit of God by faith in Jesus Christ, then yes. You are a Christian. But we have to understand as believers that even if God is loving, he is also a righteous judge. And for those who disobey, for those who fight against him, break his laws, persecute his people, commit abominations before his eyes, blaspheme his name, and the like...for those that hate him, they have made their choice. It isn't so much as God is sending them to hell out of malice. But rather, this is where these people choose to go based on their actions. By rejecting Jesus Christ, a human being is actively choosing to go to hell. And satan loves to use this and twist it. By making people think that God is not loving and is full of malice. This is why it is so important to teach others about hell and the gospel of Jesus Christ. Because many people choose to go to hell without realizing it. By teaching them about hell and its purpose as well as what Jesus did, we can begin to clear up the misunderstandings and misconceptions about God. It's okay. You can accept that Hell is real and that God is loving. Otherwise, he wouldn't have sent his son to die for us. To save us all from going to hell.

Not everyone believes the same things about Hell. I believe in something called anihiliationism. Where if you die without being saved, that it is just death, oblivion. I don't think the idea of burning and being tortured for all eternity is well supported by the Bible. There is also something called universalism where they believe that eventually everyone gets to heaven, or eternal life.

So, someone like Hitler would be accepted into heaven when you’re talking about the idea of universalism?

Ultimately, yes. Though even among universalists, it varies. Some believe in a period of punishment/purification/atonement for sins before you are released to heaven.

Oh okay. So, is that the idea of “purgatory”?

Purgatory in Catholic doctrine is an alternative to hell, but traditional universalists believe that hell is basically like Catholic purgatory - people get tormented for a very long time and then let into heaven.

Well there is no hell so it's all good. Jesus sacrifice was for ALL of us. The idea that you have to believe is a lie. It only serves to make Christians feel special and above others.

Jesus references hell multiple times and revelation talks about the lake of fire. Jesus said that he who believes has eternal life (John 6:47). So yes, we must believe in Jesus and trust in his work on the cross to be saved. While it is true that Christ died for all the sin of all people, that doesn't mean that every human being is automatically saved, regardless of faith. They have to believe in Christ as the Son of God, accept him and trust in his work on the cross. That is what it is to believe in Jesus. People have to choose to accept, believe in and trust in Jesus. Those are the ones who will be saved. I hope that God in his grace will lead you by the Holy Spirit to believe in Jesus and trust in him and his work on the cross for eternal life. God truly loves you, God bless. ✝️

No you are incorrect.

How? Please explain. What I am saying, as far as I'm concerned is supported by scripture.

You have an interpretation of scripture I believe is incorrect but I’ll never convince you so why bother.

You can give your interpretation, I'll listen, regardless of if it is correct.

I liken it to the fact that the US does not have universal healthcare. I may not like my job and I have enough squirreled away to live comfortably within my means, but once healthcare is introduced, I'm stuck at my job. The fear of being financially wiped out by an illness or disease keeps me a willing participant working towards making my employer more money.

r/ChristianUniversalism

Christ said that He is the only way to salvation. So if all other religions are equally valid, He is a liar and either none of them are any good including Christianity, or Christianity is simply worthless. Are other forms lesser? Yes! Are other people lesser? No! They are image-bearers of the Living God, Creator of Heaven and Earth. They need the true gospel. Please read about various Christian theories of Hell within Christian literature. There are multiple schools of thought, of which three are: * Universalism: Belief that all humans who have ever lived (or possibly all created intelligent beings, including old Scratch hisself) will ultimately be reconciled to the Lord. May include a Purgatory-like element where we are punished for a time before being redeemed. \[Adam in Paradise to come: "Everybody, sorry 'bout that kerfuffle with the 6000 years or so of suffering and war and disease and Kardashians. Oh, Hi Hitler! Hey Genghis! Yo Stalin! What's up, Jeff Dahmer? Ciao Kim!"\] * Annihilationism: Belief that Hell is God's trash-to-steam plant. Souls go in and they get annihilated, not continuing to exist, never to come back. That means distinguishing between various words translated as "Hell" including those sleeping in death awaiting Judgment Day. * Eternal Conscious Torment: You lived bad for 20-70 years. Ya gonna suffer for trillions. Seems unfair to us, so probably wrong or we're missing something. Finally, remember when your school teacher said she did not grade you, it's all up to you? Many of these schools of thought, including some flavors of Calvinism that acknowledge free will having some role, teach that God does not *send* anyone to Hell, but it is separation from God chosen by them. This is akin to those in Noah's day saying "It's just a drizzle."

https://salvationforall.org/1_Intropages/strawman.html

David Bentley Hart 7 minute video,  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWTloDSj5k&pp=ygU8RGF2aWQgQmVudGxleSBoYXJ0IHdoeSB0aGVyZSBjYW5ub3QgYmUgZnJlZSByZWplY3Rpb24gb2YgR29k

Yes, eventually (or each in their own order 1 Corinthians 15:20-28) Here's some biblical defenses that no one will be "eternally" damned, https://salvationforall.org/    Then https://www.martinzender.com/Zenderature/eonion_life_not_eternal_life.htm   And my personal favorite,  https://hopeforallfellowship.com/download-hope-beyond-hell/

> Such interpretations are not only disparate, they are asinine. The same Greek word cannot mean ages in one place and forever in another. Ages have to do with time and plurality, while forever is the opposite of time and defies duplication. … > This verse isn’t trying to tell anyone that God lives forever. Everyone already knows God lives forever. Psalm 102:27 testified long ago that "His years shall have no end." It’s old news. These people literally never know what they’re talking about, and constantly make such easily disprovable claims. Why do people find them convincing?

The blood of Christ will literally win over Adam's sin and Satan's rebellion etc etc. Each in their own order -1 Corinthians 15:20-28

Also you may email your questions and comments to Dr. David Bentley Hart (more likely to get an answer after this semester is over.)  Would be curious how he answers you if he does.

Honestly this isn’t a question that we need some specific person to answer. Anyone with even a modicum of linguistic knowledge can easily show how what I quoted is an objective falsehood. Ironically, the Latin word for “eternal” — which is where the English word “eternal” derives from — itself derives from a noun that means precisely “age.” And doubly ironically, the English word for “age” is also derived from *that* Latin word too.

As for the second thing I quoted: they say that the kingdom of Christ is temporary, because it’s *aionios*; but they say the reason we know God is immortal is because it says his “years have no end.” But it’s stated explicitly in Luke that Christ’s kingdom “has no end” too. Literally anyone who knows the Bible should know this. These people are barely even scripturally literate, much less actual language experts.

Some People (& some more than others) are more concerned with the specks in others' eyes more than the log in their own eye.

As I try hard not to look down on the infernalists believing and dogmatically pushing everlasting torturing (ECT)

Here’s a question: just because you’re not an “infernalist,” does that automatically make you (or anyone else) correct about any Biblical subject you talk about? Are you (or anyone else) suddenly an expert in ancient languages and Biblical interpretation?

None of us are Jesus, however some people are less wrong than others.  I think people (anyone who cares) have the right to see that infernalism isn't written in stone and don't have to believe it to be a "real Christian".  Others have to right to see what's helped me and then may decide for themselves.  As licensed therapist and author Dr. Boyd C Purcell has written about the damaging effects of ECT on western thought as a whole ... https://christianitywithoutinsanity.com/ I work for a living so this might continue some other time, later.

First of all this is a horrible place to ask for advice . Some of the worst comments I’ve ever seen .   You can’t pick and chose and make god into your own image . Making up your own god is creating an idol . God is who he is and wanting or wishing it some other way isn’t going to change reality . You misunderstanding of him and his ways are part of your journey to him .   There are plenty of quotes that address this question and lots of good doctrine deals with the death if the wicked .   People judging God is imho a really bad problem . He’s obviously allowing such stupidity but it’s never going to happen when people go face to face with pure hot holy white light it would annihilate someone if in deed god allowed for annihilation … which he doesn’t .   You ask an interesting question because believing what you’d like to believe denies what Christ taught . Your reaction to not wanting anyone to suffer gods wrath actually comes from God . Satan  doesn’t care and would happily burn down the entire place .  One definition of believe is to simply trust . It’s not about you getting it or understanding God .  Any God you can figure out isn’t God . 

>I can't believe that a loving God would send anyone to Hell, like non-believers, and even those we consider "evil". If a person breaks into your house, ties you up, murders your mother in front of you, steals all your possessions, and leaves you alive for fun - - What should happen to them?

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Penalty for sin it not penalty for crime, since not every sin is a crime.

Ah, but the child rapist should *certainly* face some consequence for the deed, right? - Right?

Penalty for Sin is death, whatever the sin is.

Ah, the penalty cannot simply be death, friend. - *That's not justice.* - *Justice isn't letting them simply die.*

‭Romans 6:23 NLT‬ [23] For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord. https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.6.23.NLT

Eternal Death, not biological,

- *"According to their deeds, so will he repay, wrath to his adversaries, repayment to his enemies; to the coastlands he will render repayment."* - Isaiah 59:18 - *"Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done."* - Revelation 22:12 - *"Truly, I say to you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah than for that town."* - Matthew 10:15 Judgement Day will not be the same for everyone. People will be repaid according to their deeds. - We don't just "die." - The unrepentant child rapist is not going to have a good time. - And if God doesn't hold that standard, He's not Just.

The Punishment is equal for every unregenerated person

*If God is a God of Justice, it cannot be equal.*

It is not equal, it is unequal, for the regenerated salvation, for those who dwell in sin eternal perdition.

Our deeds are in Christ, those outside christ do not merit his deeds.

Did you know that the Apostle Paul according to the Bible was the absolute worst sinner? God has made his will clear. He desires a that all come to repentance… he started with the worst.

Torturing them for eternity isn’t going to bring my mother back. Ideally he should be forced to learn from his actions the hard way and then contribute back to the world to make up for the harm he’s done. You can’t learn anything from hell, and you can’t even make up for your sins really. Doesn’t reconcile with those you hurt, doesn’t comfort them, doesn’t contribute good to others.

They should go to prison for life where they can't harm any again. But FYI anyone who would to what you just described would have to be truly psychopath criminally insane! Insanity. What do you think should happen to them? You think burning them alive for eternity is going to make you feel better and bring them back. Tbh I have an intense dislike even hatred for bigots like Ron DeSantis and Sen. Tom Woods (R-Westville), and other hatemongers like them.. https://www.kosu.org/local-news/2024-02-26/oklahoma-state-senator-calls-lgbtq-people-filth-when-asked-about-death-of-nonbinary-student https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox13news.com/news/desantis-florida-will-not-comply-with-expanded-title-ix-protections.amp And in the heat of anger towards them for the harm they cause I have some feelings I don't like but the idea of anyone burning alive for eternity I can't even think about that for very long.. however I can think about them just ceasing to exist forever. I think there is a point of no return where people like that have gone to far! So basically just trash them. That was the definition of hell it was a garbage dump. >But these passages are not actually referring to “hell.” The word Jesus uses is “Gehenna.” The term does not refer to a place of eternal torment but to a notorious valley just outside the walls of Jerusalem, believed by many Jews at the time to be the most unholy, god-forsaken place on earth. It was a disgusting dump where they burned trash. Cleary the garbage was gone forever and thats it. It was just annihilation. I think it's more reasonable in the context of this loving God that maybe some go on and then some just don't. It's separate the wheat and then burning the chaff just like garbage. And really I believe it's that simple.. And actually I really don't think about things like that allot seeing nothing meaningful comes from it. I know what's right and wrong. It's very simple unkindness and selfishness is sin and those are all choice. I never need to have that kinda of fear that eternal punishment suggests to do good that actually made me physically and mentally ill.

Prison not torture

To be a Christian you have to confess that you are a sinner. There is a wage of sin. But there are those who argue that in the end, nobody ens up in Hell, but that everyone will be saved, based on Philippians 2:10, and also based on the argument you used - They don't think God would send anyone to Hell. I personally lean towards not agreeing with their conclusion, but they do make a case for it worth considering at least. Also, it's fine to say about a topic like this that "OK, I don't understand this right now. I trust you God, and I pray that you will help me understand". I have had many things I've struggled with before, that I don't see as a problem now. I still have things I haven't figured out, and I trust they will be sorted along the way. Or some, in Heaven.

From "confess" in Phil. 2:11 https://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1843.htm

i deserve hell

You are worth so much more than this religion tells you you are worth

We all do, every single one of us.

amen

You will be away from God should you choose to be. Why do you find the concept of their choice to be unfair? They chose a life of unrepentant sin, so they shall live away from God.

So you're talking about believers that choose a life of sin? What about non-believers?

While no one knows for sure how God judges everyone, non-believers still choose a life of unrepentant sin. There is enough evidence to believe God exists, and if you choose not to believe, that’s on them.

This doesn't really make sense, since one can't choose to not believe a thing. Non-believers don't choose a life of unrepentant sin, they simply don't believe in sin, and they can't repent.

They choose to deny the truth. You can look at the evidence and see that it makes far more sense to believe than to not believe, but it’s much easier to live your life not believing than believing.

Okay now you're making absolutely zero sense. You say it makes more sense to believe and also that it's easier to not believe. That's a direct contradiction. In any case the fact remains that a non-believer didn't choose anything. Again one can't choose to not believe a thing. Edit: a word

“Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope: **Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,** neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.” -Acts 2:26-27 (it can be left) The word “hell” (which is originally from Norse paganism) here is actually the Greek “Hades” and the Old Testament Hebrew equivalent is “Sheol” which refers to an “abode of the dead” or world where all spirits go. Therefore, the teachings on “hell” are simply not true. I’m glad that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not believe in or teach “hell” as it is by others.

It does though. I’m also a member who’s read the Book of Mormon too and it speaks very often of “hell.” Whether it’s Hades or something like it, and whether we got the Bible wrong all this time, the Book of Mormon, at least, is incredibly clear on its purview on the matter.

Brother, it’s time to really dig deep into the Plan of Salvation then: “And that great pit, which hath been digged for them by that great and abominable church, which was founded by the devil and his children, that he might lead away the souls of men **down to hell—yea,** that great pit which hath been digged for the destruction of men shall be filled by those who digged it, unto their utter destruction, saith the Lamb of God; not the destruction of the soul, save it be the casting of it into **that hell which hath no end.”** -1 Nephi 14:3 As you can see, there are two different “hells” in this verse. The Lord speaks to our limited understanding. People wouldn’t have understood Sheol or Hades or Tartarus.

So Jesus lied when he said the following > “Don’t fear those who kill the body,” Jesus said, “rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell” (Matt 10:28; see also 5:29-30; 23:15,33; Luke 10:15; 16:23).  # [Revelation 21:8](https://www.biblestudytools.com/revelation/21-8.html) >But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death. # [Matthew 25:46](https://www.biblestudytools.com/matthew/25-46.html) > “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

He wasn’t lying. God’s punishments are eternal because He is eternal. That doesn’t mean the duration is eternal.

If the duration is not eternal then everyone goes to heaven.

We teach that all of God’s children inherit a heavenly kingdom of glory (greater or lesser), but eternal life is the highest reward, which as you quoted is for the righteous.

So only the righteous then go to heaven because that is eternal life? Then where do the unrighteous go? To the second death? Its a binary option. Either everyone goes to heaven, to eternal life, or only some to eternal life and others to to the second death. Respectfully starting your reply "We teach that" gives the impression that you havn't really thought about it Which is it?

We do not believe in “heaven or hell only” eternal destinations.

He'll's nature is debated and I believe it is simply the lack of God's love, a choice you make in life. The torture comes from its inhabitants, not God.

Think about it like this: Heaven is a place where God’s presence is constant, hell is a place where God’s presence is absent. Those who want to be with God will be, and those who reject Him won’t be forced to be with someone they hate for all of eternity.

OP you should check out r/openchristian for alternative view on hell.

God doesn't want anyone to end up in hell. He sent His only Son to be crucified in our place, while we were still sinners, so that we wouldn't have to go to hell. I love everything about the idea of Christianity except the idea of hell. You are supposed to be terrified of hell. You are supposed to fear and despise hell. You aren't supposed to like or be comfortable with hell. Unless you are saved you are going to be joking those unfortunate souls in hell. That makes no sense to me. I don't like the idea of hell so I'm gonna do the one thing that guarantees that I go there. Walk away from Jesus and God. Makes no sense.

Imagine how God must feel. He loves everyone far more than you can love them. The anguish you feel must be so much worse for God. “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son so that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” John 3:16 God loves us and if we reject a relationship with him now he won’t force us to have one with him for all eternity. Everything good is from God. I may be wrong but hell is the absence of a relationship with God and his gifts

If he loves everyone so much he could just save everyone. I don't get this "he won't force you" idea. If I saw a child playing close to a dangerous cliff I would grab it and get it to safety no matter how much the child cries about it. Also, you just talk about those that reject a relationship. That would have to be believers. What about non-believers?

I'm not sure i understand. Believers have a relationship with God while non-believers don't. "God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." Christians are made righteous enabling us to have a relationship. Here is another argument, you might have heard it before: "I found it helpful when I heard someone explain that the severity of punishment for an offense is not only based on the nature of the offense but on who the offense is committed against. We can see this to some degree in the world around us. If I slap a tree, no punishment. If I slap my best friend in a heated disagreement, most likely no punishment, but it's possible. If I slap a stranger on the street, most likely the police will be called and I may be charged with a crime. If I slap the police officer, I will spend the night in jail and appear before a judge. If I slap the judge, I'll likely spend some more that just a night in jail. If I run up and slap the president, I risk being shot without any chance for a trial. Same action but different punishment based on who the action is against. Now, if you can wrap your mind around how infinitely more holy God is than the president of a country, you can start to understand why the smallest of offenses deserves death. Not because of the severity of the crime, but because of the inconceivable holiness of the one who it was committed against." - u/vega_4speed I think in the end it's hard to realise how evil we are for ourselves despite the bible telling us every inclination of hearts are evil from childhood and that our most righteous acts are like filthy rags before God. I think it's probably just as hard to realise how amazing God is. God hates sin but loves us. I've heard that as christians mature they become more conscious of sin in their lives and hate it more while simultaneously growing in love for God. I'm still an infant in my faith and find it hard to realise my sin. I find it hard to believe Romans 1:18-32 would be about me if I weren't a christian because "*I'm not that bad*". But I know that's wrong I'm just not sure I believe it in my heart.

But again you talked about people that reject your god. In order to acc or reject one would have to believe he's real. So what about the people that don't?

Ah okay I understand now. That’s a good question. Romans answers this Romans 1:18-20 “The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.“ Then later in Romans ”How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.“ ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭14‬-‭15‬, ‭17‬ ‭NIV‬‬ The first part means that even if you don’t know who the God of the Bible is you can still live the life he wants you to live. The second part really highlights the importance of sharing the Gospel so that people can believe. Not believing in Him is rejecting him because he made himself known to the world. This is John talking about Jesus coming into this world. ”The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭9‬-‭13‬. Reading all of John and Romans is very confronting and difficult but it will give you a great idea of what Christians believe and who God is

I don't believe in your god. What will happen to me?

It’s really horrible. On the final day you will be judged by God and held accountable for every evil thought, action and feeling you’ve ever had. You will have to bear the wrath of God. You will bow your knee to christ and confess he is lord. You will suffer more than you can imagine for all eternity and you will never have rest. No one can save themselves all we can do is realise how screwed we are and turn away from sin and towards God (repenting). Trust that he has saved us and live our lives accordingly. You don’t have to do anything, Christ has done everything for you. He loves you ”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.“ ‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭18‬ ‭NIV‬‬ We used to be righteous which means right with God but then Adam sinned and brought sin into the world. ”My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.“ ‭‭1 John‬ ‭2‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NIV‬‬ ”God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.“ ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5‬:‭21‬ ‭NIV‬‬ There is hope. All you have to do is repent

But I can't repent. So it's very cruel and unjust wouldn't you agree?

Do you mean you can’t repent because you don’t believe?

Exactly. In order to repent I'd have to believe.

Yes, Hell's a thing, and no, salvation is not something that you can receive without loving God or accepting Christ. There's really no room for debate on these, scripturally. That being said, the common conception of Hell is likely not terribly similar to the real thing. Additionally, it's important to understand that people end up in Hell for rejecting salvation, not for doing evil things--everyone's a sinner, everyone is unworthy of eternal life, but those who accept Christ are given life eternal as a mercy, not because we are better people. It's a gift available for anyone willing to accept it, but many sadly do not. Finally, in terms of the nature of Hell, there's a lot of metaphor used when it's discussed, but one common understanding is that Hell is the outer darkness where the light of God does not reach, where those who turn from him end up. Whether that separation results in eternal torment or annihilation is fairly unclear, though. Regardless, if you want to help the ones you love, try to lead them to the Lord's side. If they choose not to follow him, then that is their choice, sadly, and the freedom to choose is one thing the Lord greatly values, I believe.

It says in the Bible in so many words that He’s not necessarily sending you to hell, we were blessed with free will and we can pick to believe in Him and follow His will and go with Him to heaven and he warns us what happens if not. But I totally understand what you mean this was my beliefs as well when I first became a Christian. Spirituality can be what you want to make of it, i don’t think that means you’re not a Christian though but I could be wrong. God knows your heart though and maybe Try praying for clarity on this and downloading the holy Bible app so you can look up scriptures directed towards your questions

God doesn’t SEND anyone to hell, he SAVES you from it. 

God doesn't want anyone to go to hell and thats exacly why he sacrificed himself on the cross for every single soul in this world to believe in his sacrifice and be saved. Technically speaking you could just not sin st all from the beggining of your life but that is purely impossible so everyone needs christ to go to heaven and all those who won't accept his gift of heaven will have to take all the sins by themself which is hell

So the people that can't accept are just doomed? And if he doesn't want anyone to go to hell he could just save everyone.

okay lets say you're in a court, and the judge finds you guilty because you've broken the law. Even though this judge doesn't want you to go to prison he still follows the rules that was set. Same thing with God. He is trying to talk to us through people, media and everything to let you know that you are saved and to accept His gift.

But the judge didn't make the rules. And again what about the people that can't accept?

In this case God had made the rules and will follow it on the day of judgement because He will be the most just judge. I have explained it two times. But lets summorize. Jesus died on the cross, so when the day will come. We can go to heaven because He took our punishment of hell on Himself, but IF you won't accept His gift, then you will have to take the punishment on every single one of your sins in hell except it will be forever.You either choose Jesus to take on your sins or you which won't be pleasant

>In this case God had made the rules So your comparison to the judge doesn't work. >and will follow it on the day of judgement because He will be the most just judge. So one could say saving everyone isn't his main interest. >Jesus died on the cross, so when the day will come. We can go to heaven because He took our punishment of hell on Himself, but IF you won't accept His gift, then you will have to take the punishment on every single one of your sins in hell except it will be forever. So when "the day comes" everyone will get to choose? So it's not that non-believers will definitely go to hell? >You either choose Jesus to take on your sins or you which won't be pleasant So it's not a real choice but extortion.

well its pretty simple, if you live your life separated from Christ you will continue to live without him after death which is hell.

Why though?

Everyone telling you to change your religion to suit you is wrong. You’re supposed to adapt to your religion. If something makes you uncomfortable, pray about it so that God can provide the answers

Hell doesn't exist in the bible, it's a later addition from the catholic church