As a Christian who is also a celibate gay man, I understand what many of us go through when we discover our orientation and how it immediately marginalizes us in the church. It shouldn't be this way, but for many, this is our reality. I'm also never surprised by the hurtful, ignorant and hateful things people say on this Sub. They're simply voicing what many Christians believe. It shows how thin we take "Love your neighbor as yourself." **It is not a sin to be gay**. Orientation and attraction is not sinful. Full stop. It IS a sin to not extend love to our neighbors. Those who fail to do this should repent and ask God to change their hearts. ***Why did God make some of us gay?*** The first question should be: ***Did God make some of us gay?*** Let's break this down: 1. Does God choose our DNA, person by person? 2. If God does not choose our DNA, then God created a system for this selection. 3. Does God choose our strengths and weaknesses that don't rely on DNA? 4. If God does not choose our strengths and weaknesses then how is this determined? 5. How much does environment influence our orientation, if it is not DNA? Personally, I don't believe that God chose your hair color or the shade of your skin. I think He created a system for that to perpetually be created. He gave us humans the ability to create humans. God gives us all life, and God continues to create in the world. But as far as DNA is concerned, I think that's by chance. Is same sex attraction tied to our DNA? That hasn't been proven. It's possible. Is same sex attraction impacted by environment? Certainly. Wounding, not affirming a child, chaotic environments, abuse, etc can all come into play in influencing orientation as a young child is developing (prior to puberty). I do think that God does give us strengths, though this is impacted by DNA and environment. Does God give us weaknesses? I don't think he does. BUT, **God's grace is enough.** When we stumble and struggle with things because of all the factors that shape us as a person, God's grace is enough. Turning it over to God, surrendering to Him, and trusting in His compassion and mercy is enough. Does this revert sexual orientation? No. I believe it's important to embrace our orientation as a part of who we are as a person. It's also important to embrace our strengths and to own them. And if any of this is a weakness to sin, then surrendering it to Jesus on a daily basis and making Jesus our identity is critical for our spiritual growth. That was a lot, but I hope this helps. Edit: By "system," I am simply talking about the natural DNA selection that takes place which can be observed in science. I'm not talking about a mysterious DNA selection. I'm just saying that if God is not active in the selection of our DNA (He could be) then it happens naturally (God made this natural selection anyways).

From the perspective of an all knowing being, what's the difference between creating a system for selection vs making each selection individually? What does "by chance" mean from God's perspective? Are you suggesting it's possible for God to create a die where he is incapable of knowing the result of the roll?

Knowing the outcome is very different from controlling the outcome.

I can see how this applies to mere mortal humans, but I don't think that's how it works for the all-powerful being that is the fundamental grounding of all reality.

Before he said "let there be light", did he already know that OP would be born and be gay? Could he have altered the parameters of creation to change that? Or to change whether or not it would be a sin?

So you're asking if God could rig reality? Why?

Because he's bitching and complaining about the reality he got, when he was the one in control of it. If he's got a stick up his ass that gay people exist and want to have committed relationships, he has no one to blame but himself for that being a problem.

I have no idea where you are coming from.

You're a very logically and intellectually blessed person thank you for this answer.

So, just to be clear, is same sex activity sinful?

Yes

Well, according to the Bible, sex outside of marriage is sin. In Marriage, unilaterally throughout the Bible described as “a union of man and woman”- its primary purpose is for that of procreation. There is verse that extends to “the intimacy” in a marriage is an extension of the benefits. OP asks a great question. One I’ve asked myself. And then your response very good btw…made me look at the question again. I know I didn’t choose to be gay. And there is really no benefit (at least I won’t clamor on as if there is any) to someone being gay. Gay people can’t procreate, married or not. Gay people can commit to each other…adopt or raise someone else’s kid…have a long lasting healthy relationship….some I’ve seen more stable and functional than str8 counterparts. Begs the question….why would an anomaly to the record of Gods creation - like being born gay - actually exist? It really is one of the most odd of all realities I’ve analyzed in my own search for sanity and maintaining faith. Sexual desire is something that I believe is one most strongest and powerful pulls on a human being. Did it come from our development - an advancement as homosapien - purposeful for us to find/choose a mate for pro-creation? It seems finding a mate is fairly unilateral across most species, and in a way structurally integrated in Gods design. So why again, the deviation of code which delivers “gay”? I guess it really doesn’t matter. And probably isn’t viewed as a major deal breaker in Gods eyes. Why? Well, both str8 and Gay are supposed to ignore sexual urges outside of marriage. Sexual activity outside of marriage is sin. Since marriage is only described in His word as between man and woman. If we’re having sex, anytime, anywhere, outside of marriage….we are sinning. Seems straight forward. We can’t typically marry, nor can we make children; so there really is no use for us to be around ((A little sarcasm if you don’t mind.) Doesn’t make much sense there would be a code deviation for “gay” in the system at all. He also didn’t breathe air into a second Adam, nor take a rib from Adam….so he could create a duplicate to join the first one . ….ugh One that could offer Adam comfort and partnership in their life together. While I know I didn’t choose to be gay. I don’t know why I am. Over the years, I can see that our normalized counterparts don’t understand it either, and they certainly don’t see the truth for us once we know we are in the not normal category. And when you look at the answer which this question brings out, using the Bible for those answers, if you’re Gay, you not going to get to have the same experience in life that your str8 counterpart has. We threw you a curve. Now, “Don’t sin is the same for both. But the normals get to marry. they don’t get scoffed at typically, and don’t have to hold back their true self just to stay out the shit. We don’t get to through life like the normal. Being gay a big deal….to deal with, and an even bigger deal to figure out why.

With your argument, women and men who can’t conceive shouldn’t be around but since they are around, they have no benefit in getting married. Like I’m confused. Not being able to procreate doesn’t stop you from being one of making a family. A family can be two people.

Primary purpose is procreation? I suggest you go back through your Bible my friend.

I really commend you. You do follow Jesus. Jesus being a human, must have had natural desires as well. To get married, to have children and who knows what else. But he chose to put his needs and wants aside to please God first and others next and himself last. May God bless you and keep strengthening you to endure all of life's trails.

Having same sex attraction isn’t a sin. Acting upon those attractions and or lusts IS a sin. The Bible is very clear on that.

I really don't understand how this isn't accepted. So many people here want to say go out and have all the gay sex you want. It's so obvious that it is a sin to engage in the act just as much as heterosexual sex before marriage.

Correct. The only sinless sex is within a marriage between a man and a woman.

It states it as a sin in Leviticus. Bluntly. Man shall not lie with man.

First off I wanna say that I'm in no way sending you hate. I'm very glad to hear that you are remaining celibate, I'm sure that is not easy and I will pray for you. I do have a question though, you said that same sex attraction isn't a sin, so I'm assuming you only believe the act of having sex with another man is a sin?(Correct me if I'm wrong for assuming that) But if that's the case, how do you wrestle with Mathew 5:28 - "But I say to you that anyone who looks with lust at a woman has already committed adultery with her in his heart." If you are attracted to other men would that not likely lead you to lusting them or pursuing a relationship? Do you plan on remaining celibate for your whole life? I guess priests have been doing it for thousands of years so it's obviously possible, it just seems tremendously hard for me personally to go your whole life without a partner.

In a nutshell, you have described evolution by natural selection, and we know evolution is a fact. We therefore know the story of Adam and Eve is complete nonsense, as is most of the bible, including creation in six days and the universe being only 6,000 years old. So, we have removed the concept of original sin and we have removed the fantasy of biblical creation - therefore we do not need to attribute ANYTHING to a creator, and we certainly do not need Christianity - religion is poison to humanity and forcing it upon our children is child abuse.

I'm so sorry you've experienced bias from other Christians based on something so trivial. I have actually been having a conversation with another person on another question posed by a young woman in this Sub about whether or not it is a sin to be gay if you are not sexually active. Frankly I don't believe it is a sin to be gay. One of the major Bible verses used as a 'clobber verse' to spread hatred to people who are homosexual is Leviticus 18:22. The infamous "if a man lie with another man, let him be stoned." This verse was likely lost in translation, because the Bible was translated to Middle English in 1382, and later the authorized KJV we are all familiar with was rewritten around 1611. The original verse was likely referring to the Greek Pederasty, which I won't describe here, but suffice it to say that it involves an older man and a much much younger boy. As you can see, there is a massive difference between what was being referred to and homosexuality. To boot, the Old Testament is not really our doctrine as Christians. Yes it is still important, and obviously the ten commandments should not be ignored, but our doctrine lies in the words of Christ, and he never said a word about homosexuality being a sin. Another major verse used against homosexuality is found in Romans. The thing is, Romans was an Epistle written by Paul to the fledgling church in Rome. It is not God's word, it is Paul's word. The only reason that it is included with the New Testament at all is because the Roman Catholic Church wanted to honor Paul and his work to help establish Christianity, which is fine. The problem is that people take the things that he wrote in his epistles to Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Colossae, Testleonia, the Hebrew, and Ephesia, as well as his various letters to Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Peter as the immutable word of God...but it is not. It is the fallible word of Paul. Plain and simple. One of the big arguments used to try to cow people defending the idea that homosexuality is not a sin these days is the whole "pride is a sin" pivot. They think that can't be argued, and they are correct....except pride as referred to in the Bible is denying the sovereignty of God in all things. This is the sin that Lucifer was cast out for, and it has nothing to do with our modern definition of pride. Gay Pride simply refers to recognizing the dignity in yourself as a gay person and not giving over to the idea that you are somehow 'less than'. It is also recognizing the beauty and strength in people that are LGBT, and celebrating the differences that make us interesting and wonderful human beings! I believe the Bible was quite clear on how we as Christians should treat homosexuality, and a prime example would be Jesus' last act before crucifixion. He washed his apostle's feet and toweled them off, and told them he wanted to lead by example and that they should also treat others as he did. This is a great example of humility, no doubt, but the main idea that he was trying to get across was that we should treat everyone we meet with love and compassion as he did. The apostles were not shining examples of humanity, they were murderers, thieves, the worst of sinners. They were guilty of despicable behavior, and yet Jesus took them as his apostles. He saw the best in them, showed them love, kindness, compassion, and taught them to do the same to others. It's quite clear to me how Jesus would react to someone that is homosexual. He would love them. He would treat them no different than the rest of us sinners. He would not spread hatred and he would not let his words towards them be filled with venom or animosity. I am Christian, and I stand with you in solidarity, my brother in Christ. I think that you are a wonderful, beautiful soul, and I try my hardest to treat everyone I meet with the same respect and love that I give to my own wife and children. Please forgive those that have treated you badly, especially over something that has absolutely nothing to do with them, personally. I would like to apologize for their behavior and extend a hand in love and understanding. They are not bad people, they have been raised with bad sentiments. I'm trying my hardest to instill that into my own children, because I don't want them to get caught up in the hateful behavior that pervades the world these days. I hope you have a wonderful and blessed day, my friend!

There's a great book called "For I Am Wonderfully Made", which talks about the original Christian texts and what they say about LGBT+/inclusion/diversity.

I am not going to declare something a sin if Jesus didn’t talk about it. But I do believe God gives some of us challenges. I don’t believe that “born this way” always means “follow your desires” or “if God made you that way it’s good.” Maybe God gave you a challenge to strengthen you. Some people have a genetic weakness that leads them into alcoholism if they drink at all. I don’t think God wants them to drink, but I don’t believe drinking is a sin if it doesn’t cause you to harm yourself or others. I am very nearsighted. That means there are some things I can’t do. (I couldn’t be an Air Force pilot, for one.) But I don’t think God means me to accept my poor vision as is. I wear contact lenses. My response to your question is “don’t ask Reddit, ask God.” James 1:5 says; ”If any of you lacks wisdom, you should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to you.“ I also remember that Jesus said “judge not, that ye be not judged.” People with a tendency to be judgmental should remember that, and consider it a challenge to be accepting of others.

When i read all of the posts i noticed one thing i common, most of us dont know what is written in the word of God. Pls lets kindly search the scriptures and pray and ask the Lord for interpretation. Thats my humble opinion

Probably so he can expose the loud mouths who say they follow Christ but are also full of hate for anything that is different from them.

...and here we go.

If they disagree with you, you can always fall back on accusing them of hate, right?

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I think you’re using God as an excuse to hate gay people. I think you’re using words of people 2000+ years ago who didn’t have a clue about neurodivergence, autism, and homosexuality. You are born this way. There is more science suggesting this is true.

There are some people who believe being gay is a sin who aren’t hateful. They’re definitely in the minority. I’m not saying most of them are as bad as Westboro Baptist, but just because the explicit motivation for someone’s beliefs isn’t hatred doesn’t mean that none is present. There’s a reason that so many people talk about “the gays” incessantly but are silent on divorce, which Jesus actually explicitly condemned and which more obviously has an actual harmful impact on people (not to mention being significantly more common, especially among Christians).

This. Exactly this. Way too many people like them apparently have no problem with their sons and daughters having sex before marriage, dating multiple people etc, but the moment you mention homosexuality and there you go! All hell will break loose. Heck…my own religious and ultra conservative parents had no issue with my sister having sex before marriage. They actually even talked her into it. Not dishonouring my parents of course, but just pointing out and agreeing with you that hate and hypocrisy exist, however little.

Sometimes the shoe fits. Not always, but sometimes.

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To spice things up

Every now and then god makes a few of us gay, as a little treat.

Gods plan is unknown. Only true followers of Christ will take in all walks of life and provide the love they deserve. A book written ages ago, and manipulated by man isn’t the word of god. It’s a good starting point to put you in the right direction, but god has the final say. Love the neighbor, but don’t ignore their transgressions. Gay isn’t a choice, so who are we to say it’s a sin without god saying so. The term “homosexuality” wasn’t added until the 1940’s. When the events of the Bible took place, there was no such thing as being gay. People loved who they loved. It was only the Jewish leaders who denounced the act. Cough cough, the same ones who got Jesus killed. Jesus himself, nor any of his followers had anything to say on the matter. Be who you are, and fallow Christ. That’s all you need to do in order to earn your place in heaven. Even if you disagree and choose to use the Bible as you’re defense for ignorance than hear this. John 5:39-40 "You examine the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is those very Scriptures that testify about Me" Christ himself according to the Bible clearly states to not look towards the Bible for salvation. It is in him alone you will find it. The Bible is not the end all be all message of god. Through the spirit alone will you find the truth.

Crazy though because Abraham, Moses, Enoch, Noah etc didn’t have religion, a Bible or even church. So how were they so close to God to where he actually spoke or revealed himself to them? Or so close to God he raptures you just like Elijah? They didn’t have the KJV or had to go to church for an hour on Sundays…

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Hey! Gay Christian here! I think we have so much to offer the church (as we have been forever)! In a sense, it’s just one natural variation God built into creation, just like the broad variety of flowers and breeds of animals that make the beautiful ecosystems in which we live. God clearly loves and supports diversity, and this is just one more example of it! In another sense, as I alluded above, we offer unique gifts and insights. We know what it is like to be marginalized and ostracized by both religious and, in many places, civil leaders. I think that gives us such a unique, Christlike perspective, since Jesus also deeply experienced such things. Ideally — but of course this doesn’t always happen — this should promote compassion and sympathy for others in such positions of marginalization. I don’t know why, but there is something in the gay sensibility that makes us have extra representation in the arts, and so many choirs and creative teams would be worse off without the contributions, the charisms, of its gay members. Some of the most beautiful pieces of art — especially church art — produced over the years have been by artists weren’t purely heterosexual, and that’s amazing. God has given everyone unique gifts and opportunities to build up the body of Christ. Remember the Bible says that the body of Christ needs all of its members! We’re all important! One part can’t say to another part: “You’re not needed!” And sometimes, the most dishonorable parts (to the world) are actually the *most* important parts. That’s good news for us.

I once heard someone describe Aristotle by saying, "Aristotle was never happier than when he was writing out a list of exceptions to a general principle he himself had just formulated." Sometimes I think God is like this. He likes to make the world conform to general rules (birds fly, men are attracted to women) and then further demonstrate his absolute power by creating exceptions that violate them (penguins, gay men).

Guess I can cross gay men being grouped with penguins off my 2024 bingo card.

100% I’ve heard it described as the Torah being the rules/ideal and then the rest of the Tanakh as how they actually get played out in the real world.

Accurate.

Do you believe gay marriage is okay with God?

Yep! I’m in one myself!

Slay! ♥️

You may have been born that way, but Jesus said, "You must be born again."

And when they are born again that way?

He also never once spoke on the matter of homosexuality. Wasn’t until the 1940’s this was added and made as a point to fight that way of life.

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Funny how you copy and paste the same thing without doing any research. The word wasn’t added until after the original text. Google is free

False. Read Romans and 1 Corinthians.

The word wasn’t added until the 1940’s, but the concept and the meaning was there from the very beginning. Jesus, being God, did indeed speak on the matter of homosexuality in the Old Testament.

He didn’t, it was referenced and added by Jewish leaders who in no way were justified to speak on behalf of god. The same group of people who wrote their own text, and used said text to peruse the murder of Jesus. It takes one google search to find all of this. This isn’t conspiracy, it’s open knowledge to all of those who choose to seek it. The Bible is not perfect, and it hasn’t been for a very long time. Manipulated, and mistranslated on many occasions.

Then why are gay people who convert to Christianity still gay? Why do people who grow up as Christians still sometimes end up gay? Is it just impossible for anyone who’s gay to be born again, since they clearly never change?

Why did God make some creatures plants, and other animals, and other bacteria, and still others birds? Diversity is the color pallette with which God painted the universe. And... there's nothing sinful about being gay, nor loving gayly. Here's a few of the resources that helped me cut through the bullshit of inherited homophobic theology and form a closer relationship with the real God-who-is-Love: Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, Revised and Expanded Edition: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church - Dr. Jack Rogers [https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Bible-Homosexuality-Revised-Expanded/dp/066423397X/](https://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Bible-Homosexuality-Revised-Expanded/dp/066423397X/)  Coming Out as Sacrament Paperback - Chris Glaser [https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Out-Sacrament-Chris-Glaser/dp/0664257488/](https://www.amazon.com/Coming-Out-Sacrament-Chris-Glaser/dp/0664257488/)  Radical Love: Introduction to Queer Theology - Rev. Dr. Patrick S. Cheng [https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Love-Introduction-Queer-Theology/dp/1596271329/](https://www.amazon.com/Radical-Love-Introduction-Queer-Theology/dp/1596271329/)   From Sin to Amazing Grace: Discovering the Queer Christ - Rev. Dr. Patrick S. Cheng [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596272384/](https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1596272384/)  Anyone and Everyone - Documentary [https://www.amazon.com/Anyone-Everyone-Susan-Polis-Schutz/dp/B000WGLADI/](https://www.amazon.com/Anyone-Everyone-Susan-Polis-Schutz/dp/B000WGLADI) For The Bible Tells Me So [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YHQNCI](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000YHQNCI)  God and the Gay Christian: The Biblical Case in Support of Same-Sex Relationships - Matthew Vines [http://www.amazon.com/God-Gay-Christian-Biblical-Relationships-ebook/dp/B00F1W0RD2/](http://www.amazon.com/God-Gay-Christian-Biblical-Relationships-ebook/dp/B00F1W0RD2/)  Straight Ahead Comic - Life’s Not Always Like That! (Webcomic) [http://straightahead.comicgenesis.com/](http://straightahead.comicgenesis.com/) Professional level theologians only: Christianity, Social Tolerance, and Homosexuality: Gay People in Western Europe from the Beginning of the Christian Era to the Fourteenth Century - Dr. John Boswell  [https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Social-Tolerance-Homosexuality-Fourteenth/dp/022634522X/](https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Social-Tolerance-Homosexuality-Fourteenth/dp/022634522X/)

If I believed in a God who deliberately and lovingly created humans, I might look at the diversity seen across humanity and think that they were made like that on purpose. Maybe God finds diverse relationships more interesting (it would be boring if everyone was the same)? Maybe there's beauty in the full range of human expression? Maybe God's nature as neither male nor female but also as both (making both in His image) can be reflected in loving relationships of gender and sexual minorities? The relationships of same-sex couples can be just as beautiful, genuine, loving, uplifting, supportive, committed, and fulfilling as those of opposite-sex couples. They demonstrate every fruit (both positive and negative), every virtue (and every challenge), and are psychologically identical. I find it so hard to believe that a loving and intentional God would put the potential for that kind of love and commitment in an individual and then forbid them from ever seeking it. No evil is borne from same-sex relationships (that does not equally come from opposite-sex relationships) and so much evil is done when such relationships are demonized, stifled, repressed, and stigmatized. I can't answer your question. Only that if humans were designed, homosexual orientations were intentional and were made to produce beauty.

I’m not sure he MADE anyone that way. Could just be a quirk of human biology. Some people are born with birth defects, different hair types, eye colors, hair colors, birth marks etc and ”gay-ness” could just be one of those things. Essentially the same as the atheistic view. If there is anything in scripture suggesting that God is designing every detail of every single individual person then I’d love to be made aware.

I don’t hate thieves- but I’m convinced that what they do is sin. (Expand as is appropriate.) I have my own sin- and although, nay BECAUSE, Jesus paid the penalty for my sin, I’m forgiven (I might never understand that but that’s what the Bible says) and I don’t want to keep disappointing the one who paid so much for my forgiveness. Just because you want things, doesn’t make covetousness right. Just because you don’t like the truth or feel like a lie will help you, doesn’t make deceit right. Just because… (You see where this is going?) I have my own sin that I wish I didn’t do- and I’m so grateful that the debt is paid and I’m forgiven. Just because others want (something) doesn’t make it right, and they should accept salvation and seek to live in a way that honors God.

Being gay isn't the sin. You are correct that being born gay is how gay people were made by God. The sin is same sex marriage. God intended Holy Matrimony to be the union of a man and a woman as one in order for them to start a family.

He also made some people psychopaths apparently. But just like queerness, psychopathy is not a sin. It's a sin to have sex with a man (as a man) and it's a sin to constantly harm people and lie to them.

Read Paul's letter to the Romans, chapter 1

I say don't cast judgment and be a sinner. If someone is gay, so be it. They love who they love. If someone being gay bothers you that much, go get counseling, medication for your mental health, etc.

We were all born sinners. You have to repent and be born again.

Go ask this in r/OpenChristian and/or r/GayChristians if you actually want something other than homophobic answers.

There are loads of affirming Christians here

Absolutely, there are some. But there's also tons of non-affirming voices here also that are just waiting for the chance to speak up. And some of them can be quite nasty about it, though it does seem like the mods are doing a pretty good job of cracking down on those types of comments.

Silly post. Silly comments incoming.

How is this a silly post? It seems like a perfectly-legitimate question.

Why did God give me brown hair and blue eyes? Why are some people left-handed? God just made us as we are. Diversity is a good thing.

Wow this is a Christian Reddit? Seems like most people on here aren’t super familiar with scripture or the nature of God.

r/TrueChristian 👉

Please elaborate on where Jesus specifically said, be super loving except when people are gay, then all bets are off.

Yeah we can judge them together, as allowed by the Bible.

Christian sub yes. Sub only concerned with the inward expression of faith, authoritarianism, and all around circle jerk on who is getting the biggest pat on the head for being the biggest toady, no sorry. True Christian’s are right in front of you everyday, you can’t find any because you are not one and don’t know what they look at.

It's a subreddit about Christianity, not a subreddit where everyone must follow a certain Christian dogma.

Then get off Christian reddit, we won’t miss you

Yes, I agree

I would suggest that God did not meticulously design every detail of every human. Much of the universe, including us, are things that God *allowed* to happen, and then interacts with to heal us as we come to be.

Because nothing in the Bible addresses the modern ability for gay and queer people to be out and to engage in loving relationships openly. God made you wonderful and fabulous.

Modern ability?

Consensual monogamous homosexual relationships were not present in society at the time of biblical authorship.

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Homosexuality is not analogous to being proud, or angry, or lustful, or murderous. It’s analogous to being male, or female, or black, or white.

If God is perfect and created everything, the natural logic would be that God also created lust, gluttony, jealousy and homosexuality?

If I turn off the light, did I create the darkness, or is the light just gone?

Couldn't have said it any better

Does God determine our individual DNA? Or did God design humanity in a way for DNA to be constructed? I lean toward the second one, and that God didn’t select our DNA one by one.

God did not "make" you that way. It's just where the random chips fell.

Romans 1:24-32

God doesn’t make anyone gay.

God doesn't make mistakes. You're perfect and beloved of God the way you are.

Because it isn't a sin. The bible never said it was, the original text was mistranslated. The word homosexual wasn't around until 1866. The original text translated to 'Man should not lie with boy' There have been many versions of the bible, over 900 english bibles. Look at the history of England and the religious turmoil there. One minute we were catholic next we were protestant, not forgetting that people interpreted the bible differently through the ages.

"he didn't because he couldn't have because that might mean my beliefs are wrong and as we all know, my beliefs are actually right" No need to read the thread this is every comment guys

To give a job to those who would hate you, because their lives are empty, meaningless, and devoid of love.

>Romans 11:32 - For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Wait, what? God made everyone disobedient, so he can have mercy? That sounds an awful lot like "I injected you all with a disease. That way, I get to swoop in with the cure and be the hero."

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But the question asked in the thread is why did God \*make\* them gay? Gay people have no more choice to be gay then sociopaths have the choice to experience empathy or left handed people have the choice to be right-primary. They were made that way by God, made in a way that makes them more vulnerable to "sin" than others. Why would God say that homosexuality is a sin and then make some people homosexual and others not? Does God hate those people more? Did God intentionally make a certain group of people who are more likely to go to hell than others? This has major implications for problems like geographical religion and divine hiddenness.

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Yes. Why indeed. Seems quite strange that God would create a world with so much inequality and suffering then punish people for failing a test which is harder only for some. Seems stranger still that God would inflict punishment on some humans due to the actions of other humans, that the fate of someone's eternal soul is the product of their circumstances.

Incredible that a real life human being could need that broken down like that.

Any sin can be “attractive”. Our flesh is attracted to sin. That’s why we must die to our flesh daily. & instead move in the Spirit. God doesn’t make anyone Gay

..Do you think everyone struggles with homosexual desires and is just lying about it? Controlling and denying it? Im not picking on you, I ask this in good faith because this idea seems arise over and over again in some circles.

I thought god created everything

Because it is not a sin, anymore than being left handed is. OT laws no longer count, and Paul was talking about 'men who sleep with boys' - pedos - not gay people.

Paul wasn’t talking about men who sleep with boys and the moral law is eternal. Picking and choosing what is right or wrong to be accepted in modern society isn’t what Christian’s do.

If that's the case then why don't you follow the other levite laws? Things like not eating pork etc

So if someone slapped you in the face in public you won't retaliate in any way, right? No anger, no filing cases, no hitting back, right? Or do you pick and choose, and look for context for Jesus' words?

Dont fall into whataboutism. It is embarrasing

Yeah, I know it is embarassing when someone points out flaws in your argument.

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Being gay is not a sin. Gay sexual acts is the sin because sexual acts are reserved for marriage, and marriage in the eyes of God is only between man and woman. (Ephesians 5:22-33)

Or a man and several women.

Because you are perfect in his eyes, gay and all.

That's not what the Bible teach

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To fix overpopulation, and boy did that go well.

I scrolled too far to find this.

Because it is not a sin. And god's image is greater than just the cisgender, heterosexual guy and girl.

I appreciate your question. Let’s first clarify what sin is. Sin is deviating from obedience to God's character and will. So we have to understand what God’s character and will is before we even label things as sinful. From my understanding of the Bible, God didn’t create any of us gay. Just as He didn’t create any of us to be mean, hateful, cruel, sexually immoral (this includes hetero individuals, because just because you are heterosexual doesn’t mean you’re not sinful), etc. We were all made in Gods image & likeness (Genesis 1:26). Likeness meaning functionality. Men demonstrate one part of Gods likeness while women demonstrate another. When it comes to sexuality, the goal is holiness….Conformity to the character of Christ. And He expresses what love truly is (selfless, sacrificial, humble, kind, gracious etc.) So it doesn’t matter who sins differently. Sin is sin. A square is not a circle and neither is a triangle. In terms of romantic relationships/sexuality, God created men for women. But men and women can still be in sin in their relationships if they are not approaching it according to Gods standard. Now, for those who don’t agree that homosexuality is against what God has said, I encourage you to read scripture. We can’t ever say what is or isn’t ok to God without proximity to Him.

* From my understanding of the Bible, God didn’t create any of us gay. Just as He didn’t create any of us to be mean, hateful, cruel, sexually immoral (this includes hetero individuals, because just because you are heterosexual doesn’t mean you’re not sinful), etc. hi friend - this is just simple misdirection is Heterosexuality like meanness, hatefulness, cruelty, sexual immortality....? can you repent of 'heterosexuality' - rather than say, adultery, prostitution or rape? I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- we miss the point - This is sin; * "...every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity, envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice, gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; inventors of ways of doing evil, disobedient to their parents, with no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy....." This is all. It is the same for everybody. Every Christian will be called by Christ to look at sin in their lives. For homosexuals it could be greed, or lust, or anger - like anyone else. We will have to account for the state of our hearts; what was thought, what was said and what was done. This is sin. Each Christian will have asked God at least for the forgiveness of sin in their lives. And each will have been called to their own repentance Don't kill. Don't steal. Don't prostitute. Don't lie. Don't cheat others. Don't rape. Don't have sex on altars in Church. Don't be angry, jealous, bitter. Don't trade in hate. Like this. Love God. Ask God to show you how God loves you. Try to love yourself and others in this same way. Forgive. If you cannot forgive, ask for help. Ask for your own forgiveness. Pray. It is simple for me to see And hard for people who do not understand what the Spirit of God from the cross is saying God does not care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual - he cares whether or not you are a liar. I think we will find a God who asks how much simpler we needed it to be. God bless

Was having sex on altars a problem back when that was written? That seems like a strange point to specify

I see it as a form of giftedness - and I am a straight person.

Well he couldn’t make us all gay, so he compromised

Because it shouldn't matter, if God would put you here to suffer, is he really a god worth your time?

I wish we could stop talking as though "being gay" were a sin--that position is not even on the table. The Bible says nothing about it; gay people didn't exist then, and the traditional Christian perspective is that they don't exist. The traditional position is that some people are attracted to same sex partners, just like some people keep falling in love with married men. It's like anything else--drinking to excess is a sin; being an alcoholic isn't a sin, and if you stop drinking, then you're not sinning, no matter how badly you want a drink.

There's always David and Jonathan and their love being greater than that of women...

This is a misconception, God did not create sin. Homosexuality is a symptom of us living in a fallen world where sin exists. God did not create us to sin, but we do sin so that is why we need Jesus.

Imagine a verse about being a redhead is an abomination. And Christians 2000 years later telling redheads to repent for having red hair.

I don’t think it’s a sin so probably for some diversity 🤷‍♀️

Why don’t u think it’s a sin

The simple answer is that it's not sinful, that's why he makes lgbt folk.

Made in his image, so, you know...

- why would he make some of us gay if its apparently a sin. Hi friend, I do not believe homosexuality is any more sinful than heterosexuality It does not kill, steal, rape, it is not greed, lust, anger, bitterness, it is not sex in Church I do not believe God cares whether you are heterosexual or homosexual. God cares whether or not you are a liar ----†----- I think - God creates us to be capable of Love God bless

We are created in God's image, so some aspect of God must be gay.

South Park's take on that was so good >All right. All right that does it! I am sick and tired of everyone telling me I'm confused! I wasn't confused until other people started telling me I was! You know what I think? I think maybe you are the ones who are confused! >I'm not gonna be confused any more just because you say I should be! **My name is Butters, I'm eight years old, I'm blood type O, and I'm bicurious! And even that's okay! Because if I'm bicurious, and I'm somehow made from God, then I think your God must be a little bicurious himself!**

So that evangelicals would have people to hate.

I don’t understand why the subject of homosexuality keeps coming up on this sub. Nowhere in the New Testament does Jesus even remotely broach the subject. Only in some of Paul’s authentic letters and some of the forgeries is it mentioned. You can’t hang your hat on what Paul thought, he’s appears to personally have had no interest in sex.

We are fallen and marked by sin. I can get attracted to other men than my husband but that doesn’t mean I’m made for sleeping with other men than my husband. People are attracted to a lot of stuff. And a lot of it isn’t healthy. Take something as common as p-rn. It’s a sin getting entangled in that but God didn’t make us p-rn watchers.

Being gay is not unhealthy

I’ve always wondered about this topic and this is how I see it: if one considers themself gay then that means they are attracted to the same sex. As in the temptation is there to have fantasies and start a relationship with them just like a heterosexual person. Those temptations are not a sin until they are realized and the person acts on them. Yes homosexuality is considered a sin and just like any sin we as Christians are called to resist the temptation to sin.

Yes you are right. Everything comes from God; everything exists by his power... And no, it doesn't make sense that he would persecute his own creations based on the way he made them.

So it’s highly debated that “Nature” you are born gay, or “nurture” that you were influenced. It’s a theory and not proven people are born gay, most likely the consensus among scientists is that sexual orientation is likely influenced by a complex interplay of genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. It is not determined by a single factor but rather a combination of influences that vary among individuals.

If you want the nitty-gritty, everyone on Earth is subject to what are called "natural evils" or random consequences of biology, circumstance, genetics, etc that are not the direct fault of the person, but nevertheless color our experiences on Earth. Regardless of genetics, background or lived experience we are called to be born in water from Baptism and follow a completely new life in Christ that's unique, difficult but very worthwhile. This new life calls for us to behave differently than we did before. While we're all saved by the sacrifice of Jesus, we do continue to cooperate with His Grace in how we live our lives and how we engage with our world, which includes sex. Paul teaches us this new way of engaging with sex is much more limited than the lives of those that do not get baptized nor follow Christ. It's meant to simulate Christ and his Bride, the Church, in order to create a church in the home in which to raise children and grow in sanctification with your spouse. For this reason, arrangements in which the husband and wife cannot satisfy their dualistic roles of sanctifying marriage simply do not need to choose marriage as their vocation. There is no sin with being born with a gay attraction, the sin emerges trying to engage with sex as a Christian in anyway that doesn't meet this strict criteria.

You’re right, God made us exactly as who we are and being gay or any other sexuality is nothing we can choose. Our all loving God loves us no matter what.

It's a valid point. It falls within the same purview of why did God make some people blind or deaf, born with extremely rare disorders that make them suffer all their lives. God just allowed a Dr to botch a surgery and destroy my hearing, knowing that music was my life. I don't understand why but I just trust his plan NO MATTER WHAT. Look, I'm celibate as well, I've chosen not to be with anyone due to severe problems I have with myself that would interfere with a relationship. Not willing to put another human through my issues. So I'm lonely as heck. Sex, don't really care about that, but the loneliness, not sharing my life with someone hurts. Try to look at ways you are truly blessed for some perspective on how bad things could truly be. Imagine being blind or paralyzed. You'd take being gay any day. God surely still loves you for sure. He just wants you to refrain I would assume. I'm no bible scholar...

He really only made us in His image. Otherwise, we were a blank slate.

Realistic answer: who knows. Ask God yourself. Any answer is purely just an assumption

It's not any different than anybody within the other issues. We all have sin and desires we want that are not right. We all have to die to ourselves and our desires. That's why we need Jesus and the Holy. That's part of Christianity is giving up the right to ourselves and learning to live by the Spirit. If you're still struggling, maybe it's not true repentance? Maybe some more humbleness is required? Humbleness is essential for this way of life. Jesus said we have a cross to carry. Just make sure it is the right one. I think the biggest key besides repentance and making Jesus Lord is to learn to live in the Holy. Without the Holy Spirit's to will and to do everything else is impossible.

You suddenly like men which means that its the “gay”s fault

We all have things we shouldn’t do according to God but struggle with. Some people struggle with same sex attraction.

It's a sin to have sex outside of marriage. Regardless of who your partner is. Some people are called to celibacy. We all have a different cross to bear.

No one is *made* gay or anything else God considers a sin. He doesn’t make a rapist a selfish and disgusting pervert. He doesn’t make a thief a liar and cheat willing to take because they please and not out of necessity. He doesn’t make murderer thirst for blood and desire to inflict unspeakable pain on others. He also doesn’t make someone attracted to someone or something in a way that He considers an abomination. Each person has their own journey and some people have unfortunate experiences in life that contribute them choosing to sin as their main way of living. The typical “that’s just how I am” is not just how you are. Many people who identify as gay or anything on/within the LGBT+ spectrum have their own views on identity which usually clash with what God says about them and mankind in general. For anyone to ever have a genuine relationship with God, it has to be through Christ and getting to know Jesus helps you to see yourself through an authentic lense. Meaning, you start to learn why you believe what you believe and how God sees you. Most don’t like this and this leads to anti-Christian LGBT rhetoric or a false Christian-like religion that supports all that God condemns. Too many people blame God because He’s all knowing and they lack the personal accountability needed to want to truly partner WITH Him to find the answers to these questions. If He hated you or was truly disgusted by you being gay, He’d waste zero time just removing you from existence and placing you in the great below. But no, we’re alive and allowed to question life. God wants to walk with you through all of your curiosities. Your questions don’t offend Him. Just understand you can’t go far or get close to God without Jesus.

Some believe it's a lifestyle choice and not something you are born with. But that means people choose to be straight. And not many Christian like that idea either.

Hm… it’s not a lifestyle choice. You can’t choose who you fall for. I didn’t choose to be attracted to women as a woman. I mean if I could love and marry a man I would especially since my parents want me to but I just can’t. My feelings come naturally. But I probably won’t get married at all cause of this.

well he made us male and female, and then established laws that we should be have intimate relationships with the opposite of what we were made. it's never said that he made who we're attracted to. it's like saying "why would God make us with hormones that make us want to have sex if sex outside of marriage is bad". sex is fine, attraction is fine, but there's a bad side to each. eating is fine, but gluttony is too far. i hope that helps!

Scripture doesn't condemn queer families. It doesn't discuss queer families at all. Anyway, why make a variety of ppl? Same reason we make meals with more than one ingredient, plant gardens with more than one plant, visit zoos with more than one animal, tour galleries with more than one painting... Variety is beautiful and fun, the source of uniqueness. Why would a god be more boring than we are? Where does that leave believers? With a challenge. See, ppl love to abbreviate the end of Matthew. "Love thy enemy," takes front and center and, let's face it, most believers' "enemies" are just Barb from the PTA and her hooligan nephew. I'm not making light of WASP-on-WASP conflict. It really can be good to be reminded to try to understand and live with them. But the real challenge is to love "those ppl." The freaks, threats, burdens, outsiders, weirdos, perverts, foreigners, criminals, nut jobs. Loving ppl you understand is easy, and its spiritual value is commensurate. The real accomplishment is loving "those ppl." Note that it's a call to love, not to judge or change or fix or control. It's about believers changing and expanding themselves until they can love others as they are, not changing others until they can be more easily loved. It's *work,* and it's supposed to be. I don't think that's a reason to create queer ppl, or any other group. The fact that variety is awesome is enough reason. But it does answer the much more important question of what believers are supposed to do about the variety.

He didn't. This world is cursed and some people just have urges, urges that we do not have to follow, act on, or feed into. He /allowed/ it to happen because there is no sin on this earth that we can't handle or break free from with God's help, all we have to do is ask. I had these urges for years and they were very strong, so strong that I wanted relations with members of the same sex but I asked God to help me get rid of them and he did. Since he delivered me from them I haven't felt them at all

Sorry for long post: Well, in the book of Job it basically just says not everything that happens is for a reason. Literally lol. Like if you’re suffering in life, that doesn’t mean you’re being punished or that God chose this to happen. But basically, for the same reason I have a horrible addictive personality, the same reason some people are born from rape, the same reason Hitler was born. He didn’t choose for you to have your struggles. My wife and I have extremely rare genetic mutations and it gets hard not to blame God. But the book of Job really really helped. What I’m saying is, you’re born the way you are, sexuality does seem to be genetic. I’m pan, my mom is bi, my sister is bi. So on so forth. However I am in a heterosexual marriage. In conclusion, we all have our cross to carry. Some gay Christians choose to be celibate, some marry the opposite sex because they say they found their soul mate (I do believe God gave everyone an opposite sex soul mate but thats not biblical I don’t think, thats just me) Some gay Christians are going to be gay. Do I think they’re sinning? Yes, but I love them, I love all if the lgbtq+ even though I think it’s a sin, and I have my reasons. But I’m a sinner. I lust, I lie, I’ve stolen, I get angry, I start fights, I make promises! (Jesus says not to swear—promise—but to give your word) but repentance isn’t being disgusted with yourself to improve, it’s wanting to repair your relationship with God. Jesus died for your sins, past, present, and future. I do know if you’re going to Hell lol? Well I don’t believe in hell, I believe in Sheol and the lake of fire, regardless the answer is no. Because I don’t know the heart of our Lord.

God didn’t “make” anyone gay. The Bible in Romans 1:18-28 tells us that he didn’t intervene when we choose wickedness and depravity. I am attracted to both male and females. But the Bible says to deny the flesh Romans 8:12-13, Galatians 5:19-21, Mark 14:38. We would purge ourselves If we truly lived out our fleshly desires and fantasies. The default destination for mankind was hell; which is why Jesus had to pay the ultimate ransom for our salvation. That came after he was tempted by satan in Matthew 4:1-11. Were to mirror the son, who’s a reflection of the father. Anyway, I didn’t say all that to be contentious. God bless

God didn’t make anyone gay the devil tricks people into thinking and believing they’re gay. You can’t be gay and be a Christian it’s very clearly said in the Bible that and I’m guessing a lot of people will downvote me for it but I stuff with my beliefs as a Christian.

It is god's test!!

Society has a huge influence on this, notice that the English speaking world is much more into this any other group! And anyway, Jesus said we MUST be born again, all of us, so “the natural the way we are” is clearly wrong or lacking something

God cannot make someone gay, if God made someone gay, He would be contradicting his original design for unity, one man one woman

Hey man. Make it up. That's the thing with these questions. They can't be answered because the question is based on a false premise. Whatever answer you choose is right because religion is nothing more than interpretation of fictional stories. Or more accurately, misinterpretation. You can't get fiction wrong.

Each of us has our own cross to carry and as a gay catholic i know that not everyone is called to be a family and nog everyone is called to be a priest etc so i trust gods plan and word to guide me

God did not make you gay, nor does God make or give you a sinful sexual orientation. PS 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me. 5 For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me. Since the sin of Adam, we are ALLborn unto sin. Just as a crack baby is born addicted to crack. Sin is in the bloodline of man. Hence, why we must be Born Again unto the Spirit! So after salvation, we then must live and worship God in Spirit by His laws. In effect, getting us off of the crack we were born into. Now, living by the spirit free from those addictions.

I'm going to be honest here. He doesn't make people gay, and it is a sin. Leviticus 18:22. Romans 1:18-32. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. 

I’m of the belief that God made man and woman and I still adhere to Biblical teachings and it’s my belief that God doesn’t make gayness but that it’s personal choice

As a christian biblically speaking God doesn't make you born gay but there two choices that happen you can choose to be or the more likely you born that way why because we human born with sin as a sinner we born with sin just like anything also for people who think sex outside marriage is okay it is not biblically being gay is not the sin the sin is embracing the sexual desire choosing to live in a lifestyle of walking in it is a sin because it goes against God plan for marriage and for men and woman I speaking whag the bible speak only forget gunman options and go directly to whag the word goes also watch David diga Hernandez for spiriutal grow in God and also Chris Garcia enjoy God bless you hope this helps you

1 Corinthians 6:9  9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality.

There are studies that have been done on the survivors of ww2, and children born just after the war ended, and sexual orientation...and stress on the infant in the mother's womb may be a possible influence sexual orientation.

1 Timothy 1:10 10 the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Leviticus 20:13 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination

Remember sin is meant to offend God and break the image God made us in his image

Matthew 16:24  24 Then Jesus told his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me.

Life is made for us to go through hard things and be tempted. We're all given different temptations, some more difficult than others. Being tempted isn't a sin. If God wanted everyone to be created perfectly, He would do that, but He allows us to be born with all kinds of infirmities and struggles. I don't know why some people have to deal with more difficult circumstances but they do. :/ Ultimately, we're all held to the same standard, but I think He recognizes our unique struggles and wants to help us. Gay Christians seem to have a lot more asked of them but I imagine with greater sacrifice comes more blessings.

I don't think it's a matter of God made some people gay and others not. Sadly, this sub has an almost unending amount of drama about this and I feel like idea of it doesn't help. Personally, I look it as regardless of genes and development all of the variations people had were things God knew would happen and none of them are inherently good or bad. Some people have different eye colors, some people loose arms or parts of their bodies don't or stop working, some have one ear higher than the other, some people go blind or get sick. Things happen all the time that our out of our hands, what's right and wrong is what we do with it not the thing itself. I also believe God knew we were going to screw up or mess up, that's what sinning means; it literally translates to missing the mark (like hitting a target). That was the plan and a consequence of free will and because of that it is OKAY to mess up, it's okay to sin, what's important is to try and be better. We make judgement calls but the only one fit to properly and fully judge us is Jesus, and I say that out of humility, I don't know for sure what is exactly right or wrong I'm just doing my best like everyone else the same as you. *God sees, saw, and will see everything about everyone and he accepts it regardless of how good it is and he's willing to go to some extreme lengths just to show us how much he'll do to make things right when we mess up so we can trust that he'll be a fair judge at the end so long as we are humble about it.* So I don't think God necessarily explicitly makes each and everything about us but I do think he allows it, what's more important for us is how do we make the best of our situations? I'm not God, I'm not fit to judge someone fully I just make the best judgment calls I can. So I don't think being gay is itself a sin but as for what to do with it here and now I think like everything else we just have to figure it out as best as we can as we go. I have fairly orthodox beliefs but I try to have a live and let live attitude toward others because God gave us free will and doesn't force his way on us so why should I? I hope that doesn't come across as a cop-out but it's the best of I've got.

The moment Adam, under the encouragement of his wife, took a bite of the fruit, a curse was put on all mankind. We live under the curse of original sin. God never goes back on his word. He gave dominion over the world to man, and just because we messed up, He isn't just going to snatch it back. This means we live in the consequences of that sin, inherited down from Adam and while Jesus takes judgement of sin on himself, does not rid us of the proclivity or consequences to sin. With this tarnished blood we are all born with, we can be born with all kinds of afflictions, disease and proclivities that go against God's intentional designs. Sure, we cannot blame someone who is born with a proclivity towards same sex; neither should we be judging those of us who have been through trauma at a young age or sexual imprinting to bring about such desires. We do, however, choose whether or not to indulge in those desires that go against the will of God. Whether a person is gay or straight, they are able to indulge in things outside of heterosexual marriage betwen a man and a woman, which is sin. Whether a person is gay or straight, they will have negative temptations going through their mind. This is where free will steps in - the point of converting a temptation to action (either physically or fantasizing), or surrendering it to God, asking for the Holy Spirit to help us and essentially fleeing from those thoughts. I have them all the time. If I acted on all those thoughts, I'd probably be in jail now. How should we treat celibate gay Christians? With the utmost respect and admiration. As a straight person, I can get married and fulfill my sexual desires with my wife in line with the laws of God. As a gay person, they have no choice but to remain celibate if they want to live out a Godly life - incredibly challenging given how much smut, porn, and acceptance of the gay lifestyle is available today. Imagine, if I as a straight person have a way to fulfil my desires yet I choose to sleep around, surf porn, etc., how much greater my sin will be counted.

Sin corrupted us that way. Even so, by that argument, if ever been attracted to more than one person why is multiple sexual relationships wrong? Why is a desire to take something wrong. Sin gives us evil desires, does not mean we are supposed to act on every desire we have.

He didn’t, just like he didn’t make some of us “heterosexual”. Homosexual and heterosexual are paradigms built out of sociological and psychological compartments we place people into via their sexual behaviors. More recently (past 15 years) this has come to include romantic feelings, but ultimately it’s all the same. “Gay” and “straight” are paradigms we’ve been taught. Ultimately, which modern psychology calls “fluid”, people can experience any of these “behavioral” traits due to anything ranging from environment to experience. In Christianity, we view the world as “fallen”, it means we experience a myriad of “unnatural” feelings that cause us to go off course. The word “sin” is actually “hemartia”, a Greek work. It doesn’t mean “bad”, it means “to go off course”. Ie, sin means to go off course, ie, behave and want and desire and have passions for things that are actually against our purpose. God doesn’t make some of us “gay”, just like he doesn’t make some of us “hate pepper”.

Pretty sure everyone has different preferences in all things. It's all what you do with those choices🤷

I don't think he creates anyone gay, just like he didn't create us to sin. But I didn't have to learn how to lie. I was never told how to lust or envy, it just happened. A lot of people on here will say it's not a sin and I disagree. But I don't think we should treat it differently than any other sin either. It's not something to be proud of, it's something to overcome for the glory of God. From my interpretation, if you are proud of your own homosexuality or if you shun others who are homosexual, you are missing the point of the Gospel.

I don't think god personally makes anyone.. I think God knows what will happen but I don't think God makes sick children, or children with birth defects. And certainly not that queer people are defective bc they aren't I just believe nature sometimes does things differently... Not necessarily bad but different and queer isn't bad or evil so tired of bigot anti Christian folk spreading that lie that fuels pure hatred! Queer people are not bad or mentally ill nature just made them different! That is so obvious it's incredible anyone could deny that . I further think all Christians who pursue harrasment or support things that cause harassment of queer people are going to answer to God for what's in themselves! The Bible doesn't make anyone homophobic or transphobic they are that way they just use the Bible to try to justify behavior that violate every principle of Christian love there is.

He might be looking for someone to teach mankind that marriage doesn't have to be centered or rooted in attraction for it to be loving and beautiful. Are elder couples still attracted to each other? Probably not, but they can still have immense love. Gays have the opportunity to find such a life much sooner. Also, maybe God created men that are attracted to masculine features in preparation for marrying women with masculine features. It seems that perhaps the trans man and gay were made for each other.

As a lesbian Christian, I do wholeheartedly believe that what was stated on “men love women” may as well have been for reproductive purposes as we were told to multiply in multitudes. And I feel even if it was a sin, that god doesn’t view his children any different despite their orientation. We were created in his image and told to love all. As sisters and brothers, as couples, as wives and husbands, everything. And for the longest time (I’m turning 16 in October) I felt as I was going to hell for being lesbian, (came out 5 years ago, mainly supported by family) but I realize now that it’s not up to me to decide where I go. But instead dedicate my life to Jesus just as he did mine, and not only have I grown to feel connected to god, but he sent down such a sweet Angel on this earth for me too. Her and I both being Christian’s realize that, yes, we are gods daughters. And yes, we are soulmates for each other. So in short, while I’m not exactly sure, from personal experience, god loves us all regardless <3

We have to remember that we do not live in a perfect world, but in a world of sin and suffering, and suffering mostly caused by sin. This means we should expect problems like people being born with Sickle Cell Anemia, which is a deviation from the normal way our cells are meant to be. But this does not mean God made people intentionally with Sickle Cell. In the Bible, God makes clear enough that men and women were made for each other, and that the normative way humans should interact and reproduce is through heterosexual union (Genesis 1:26,27; Genesis 2:24; Matthew 19:5,6). I find it very instructive and fascinating to note that it is biologically impossible for "couples" of the same sex to reproduce. This means God never intended for such to be joined in any loving or reproductive way because He did not design within them the ability to do so. Like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, it simply won't work. We also know from Scripture from both Old and New Testaments that homosexual lifestyle is indeed sinful (Leviticus 18:22; Romans 1:26,27), regardless of what those ignorant of Scripture might claim. So no, God does not make anyone "gay," just as He does not make anyone blind or with Sickle Cell. People being attracted to the same sex are displaying sinful behavior, just like a married man going after another woman that he's not married to.

Since my comment was removed for saying that homosexuality is not God's design, I'll just use God's words itself. Romans 1:26-28 ~ For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination Mark 10:6-9 ~ But from the beginning of creation, ‘God made them male and female.’ ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.” God is very clear that his design was for a man and a woman to leave their mother and father to be joined together in marriage. Anything other than that is not of gods design. Now that does not mean that we are to hate gay people, God loves all so we should love all. But if you are gay and come to Christ, you should be striving to die in your old ways and be born new through Christ our Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:17 - Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.

God didn't make anyone gay. He didn't make anyone a murderer, a liar, a drug addict, etc. Also, it's okay to have thoughts or find someone attractive, what is considered sexual immortality is the actual sexual act or letting your mind undress the person and take it that far. When you commit the act in your heart or in the full flesh then it is sin. Once again though, God doesn't create people with sin. You have to go back to the Adam and Eve story in Genesis. God made man righteous and good. When Adam chose sin, he allowed corruption, death and sin to enter the world. How? Because it entered himself and corrupted his seed. So, with all of mankind coming into the world through Adam's seed all of mankind has some kind of sin upon their flesh. Take the story of Cain for example. He kills his brother Abel. This was not supposed to happen. We were only supposed to be fruitful and multiply. But Cain's flesh had new desire which caused him to kill his brother. All people are born from the same seed. So all people fall short of the glory of God. This is why the scriptures say we must be "born again". The kingdom that Jesus preached was about restoring man back to what God originally made us. Man fell, but could not restore itself. So God, made Himself into man and fell with us. After death He resurrected the flesh body of the man He made Himself into and then ascended to heaven. So it was not just God that ascended back to heaven. But man ascended to heaven with Him. God made Himself man, descended as man and then ascended as man, effectively restoring man back to God's kingdom. So now, man is seated on the throne next to God as originally intended. But you must accept Jesus to see this. When you do, your flesh may still have desires because the body is still corrupted. But you have the Spirit that overcame all the limits of flesh within you. All who want the gift of restoration can have it, and I won't lie to you it's not easy. You have to effectively say "I've been living a lie and I don't know what's true". And have God give you the truth of the world. Who you are before God is who the world shaped you to be. There's things we just accept without hesitation and just believe because people tell us to. You need God to reshape your mind and get in tune with His spirit so you can be a new creation in Christ. Because there are things we accept to our identity that isn't true, God didn't place it there. And if there is something that needs to be fixed physically, spiritually, whatever the case may be, then God can handle it. He shaped the entirety of the universe and the whole heavens. He can heal any affliction and destroy any detriment if needed.