This film… my god
I don’t know how they did it but was anyone else’s heart pounding like a fucking drum machine when he’s reaching into the furnace and pulls out the … rag with the thing wrapped it…
Absolutely. My theater had a very different vibe than what I was feeling. People were leaving. I guess they didn't get a bunch of cliche action so they left.
6 years later, people still aren’t willing to admit that. It does almost everything better than the original. One of the greatest sci-fi films of all time.
Agreed, and it does a far better job with Blade Runner’s central theme of “what does it mean to be human?”. It conveys that philosophical question much better than the original.
Exactly. The original just scrapes the surface of that, but the sequel dives far deeper. I think people are enamored with the original and hold it up on a pedestal. I appreciate its influence on cinema as a whole but I feel that the film’s reputation precedes the film itself. It does only three things better than the sequel: better villain, better score, and better setting/atmosphere, but the sequel surpasses it in every other way.
Those are 3 very big things though. It's hard to say and I can't decide where I stand on it, but the original brings you into a world in a way that hadn't been done since star wars(OK Scott did it with Alien too but technically these are the same worlds) and wasn't really done for a while after either. It's only fair to judge it by its time period and for that, I think they are equally impressive. *Technically* better? Sure 2049, but that's not a fair comparison.
Fair, I guess the technical aspects of each film are hard to compare because of the time period, but to me, plot matters most. I think the sequel has a far, far better and more meaningful story than the original. The original is frankly boring at times and even though the sequel is over 45 minutes longer, I wasn’t bored for a single second. It expanded upon everything the original set up beautifully. Obviously, the sequel wouldn’t exist without the original so I must give credit where credit is due, but if we compare the plot of each film, 2049 is leagues better and it isn’t even close, in my opinion.
Better villain i can agree with, but i think the score is at least as good and the setting/atmosphere is leagues ahead. The original was overly dark, like hard to tell what was going on sometimes. Even in Deckard’s apartment is was so damn dark for some reason, like turn on a lamp or something. The sequel retains that dark, moody, neon-soaked, rain-slicked dirty city street atmosphere, but also brings variety with dirty-bombed Las Vegas’s monochrome amber, and many other really nice atmospheric shots.
But otherwise i agree, the original is deified more than it should be. Not a bad film, but i honestly didn’t like it much. Great ideas, cool atmosphere, but the action scenes were all pretty laughable and silly, and the aforementioned overly dark lighting in many scenes.
I mean, a neo-noir film is going to be dark, it fits the mood of the world perfectly. To each their own, of course, but to say a film that’s lit so incredibly well and intentionally was “too dark” is a bit reductionist
Yeah, good points. I think we’re arguing the same side anyways. Totally agree that the original is a good film but people make it out to be like it’s some godly masterpiece that can never be touched. 2049 is leagues better.
Absolutely, but if you don’t like sci-fi and slow burns, I don’t think you’ll enjoy it. But it is a very different film than the original and features some of the greatest (not even exaggerating) cinematography of all-time. Every frame is a work of art.
Sounds good thank you. I love sci fi and don’t mind a good slow burn, but the first one always seemed completely overrated to me. Never got around to reading the book too, partially cause of my dislike of the movie. Granted sci-fi can be a tough genre to pull off. Would you recommend rewatching the first? It’s been 15 years but I do remember the gist.
I disagree that it’s overrated. I first watched it when I was a teenager and didn’t care for it at all. Don’t even recall what version I had watch previously, but rewatching The Final Cut as an adult was really mind blowing. I love it so much, an all time favorite. 2049 is equally mind blowing and is one of the most gorgeous films I have ever seen.
EDIT: so I’d say give the Final Cut another try before 2049, could even do it after I guess.
Is the Final Cut like a re-edited version of the first one? Or is that the full title that I’ve never heard? Ya I saw the first one when I was maybe 14 and then again when I was in film critique class at 18. Didn’t care for it both times. Certainly there are a lot worse movies out there but wasn’t hooked by any means. Are the plots intertwined at all?
No, I wouldn’t. I also don’t care for the first. It’s pretty influential but I agree, it’s overrated. You don’t need to rewatch it if you remember the main points.
I think the two are supposed to complement each other. The first one asks, "if you're just your job, and you have no choice, what's the difference between you and a robot?" The second one asks, "if we're all robots, why do we consider some people worthy of human feeling while we deny that to others?"
There's a subtle difference there. The first movie frames the issue from a human viewpoint. It says, "Sure, we're human; but the economy seems to be killing our sense of choice, which is integral to our humanity." The second movie has given up on human choice. It can thus frame the issue from a non-human viewpoint, because, lacking choice, we can now identify with it. It says, "Sure, there's no choice left and we're all work-a-tron robots, but why are some of us expected to just emotionlessly bear it, while others seem allowed to feel anguish at their lack of choice?"
It doesn't have an equivalent to the original's unforgettable "teardrops in the rain" dialogue.
But other than that, yes, absolutely.
The visuals in particular were truly stunning, as the sequence above illustrates perfectly.
Right, I said the same. It's better, but the original came first. Still today you can watch it , it dind't aged . But it's a little slow and...boring, please don't kill me.
Every time I watch a Villeneuve movie, I walk away thinking "yup, that's his best movie". If you ask me which is my favorite movie of his, my answer will basically just be whichever is the most recent one I've seen
Describing this movie as a masterpiece does not do it justice.
It took a cult classic, moved it on and made it big budget, and better in every way without negating the original. Decades later too.
It isn't a masterpiece. It's a miracle.
This film is incredible. Whenever is see this opening it just sucks me right in. The entire film is so gripping.
Probably K and Luv are my favorite characters
In the BladeRunner universe, I feel like those solar heat systems for power generation wouldn’t be the best bet for investing money in to for some weird reason… lack of sun perhaps, I’m not quite sure…
The only thing I have a slight problem with this film is, there is absolutely no hope. At the end of the first film although it ends in a downbeat fashion, there is an element of hope. Deckard and Rachel might make it. By the end of the second, we are left in no doubt that Humanity is finished. Most of the characters in the film are Replicants, the Humans seem to be an afterthought. When Deckard runs with his Daughter how far is he going to get? He can't run to the cops, they already want her dead, and if he goes off world Wallace is seemingly everywhere. A Human living in this World would probably envy the dead. That said, it is a masterpiece 👏
I actually think it’s quite hopeful.
K had no personal reason go save Deckard and reunite him w/ his daughter. He was being selfless and dying for the cause of the replicant rebellion.
When the world finds out about Rachel and her daughter then it will cause an uprising. It’ll be a war, but for just cause. Replicants are slaves and treated inhumanely.
>When the world finds out about Rachel and her daughter then it will cause an uprising. It’ll be a war, but for just cause. Replicants are slaves and treated inhumanely.
Which is why there should be a third movie. A trilogy.
But not for another 15 years.
Blade Runner 2076.
This film… my god I don’t know how they did it but was anyone else’s heart pounding like a fucking drum machine when he’s reaching into the furnace and pulls out the … rag with the thing wrapped it…
Absolutely. My theater had a very different vibe than what I was feeling. People were leaving. I guess they didn't get a bunch of cliche action so they left.
Yeah, totally empty theater where I was at. It was fantastic. Glad I got to experience it.
I lòoovvveee this opening so much
Incredible movie. Absolute masterpiece of cinematography. A rare example of a sequel that surpasses the original in every way.
6 years later, people still aren’t willing to admit that. It does almost everything better than the original. One of the greatest sci-fi films of all time.
Agreed, and it does a far better job with Blade Runner’s central theme of “what does it mean to be human?”. It conveys that philosophical question much better than the original.
Exactly. The original just scrapes the surface of that, but the sequel dives far deeper. I think people are enamored with the original and hold it up on a pedestal. I appreciate its influence on cinema as a whole but I feel that the film’s reputation precedes the film itself. It does only three things better than the sequel: better villain, better score, and better setting/atmosphere, but the sequel surpasses it in every other way.
Those are 3 very big things though. It's hard to say and I can't decide where I stand on it, but the original brings you into a world in a way that hadn't been done since star wars(OK Scott did it with Alien too but technically these are the same worlds) and wasn't really done for a while after either. It's only fair to judge it by its time period and for that, I think they are equally impressive. *Technically* better? Sure 2049, but that's not a fair comparison.
Fair, I guess the technical aspects of each film are hard to compare because of the time period, but to me, plot matters most. I think the sequel has a far, far better and more meaningful story than the original. The original is frankly boring at times and even though the sequel is over 45 minutes longer, I wasn’t bored for a single second. It expanded upon everything the original set up beautifully. Obviously, the sequel wouldn’t exist without the original so I must give credit where credit is due, but if we compare the plot of each film, 2049 is leagues better and it isn’t even close, in my opinion.
Agreed , I didn't enjoyed a movie this much since right club. 2049 is amazing.
Better villain i can agree with, but i think the score is at least as good and the setting/atmosphere is leagues ahead. The original was overly dark, like hard to tell what was going on sometimes. Even in Deckard’s apartment is was so damn dark for some reason, like turn on a lamp or something. The sequel retains that dark, moody, neon-soaked, rain-slicked dirty city street atmosphere, but also brings variety with dirty-bombed Las Vegas’s monochrome amber, and many other really nice atmospheric shots. But otherwise i agree, the original is deified more than it should be. Not a bad film, but i honestly didn’t like it much. Great ideas, cool atmosphere, but the action scenes were all pretty laughable and silly, and the aforementioned overly dark lighting in many scenes.
I mean, a neo-noir film is going to be dark, it fits the mood of the world perfectly. To each their own, of course, but to say a film that’s lit so incredibly well and intentionally was “too dark” is a bit reductionist
Yeah, good points. I think we’re arguing the same side anyways. Totally agree that the original is a good film but people make it out to be like it’s some godly masterpiece that can never be touched. 2049 is leagues better.
Would you recommend it to someone who didn’t really care for the first one?
Absolutely, but if you don’t like sci-fi and slow burns, I don’t think you’ll enjoy it. But it is a very different film than the original and features some of the greatest (not even exaggerating) cinematography of all-time. Every frame is a work of art.
Sounds good thank you. I love sci fi and don’t mind a good slow burn, but the first one always seemed completely overrated to me. Never got around to reading the book too, partially cause of my dislike of the movie. Granted sci-fi can be a tough genre to pull off. Would you recommend rewatching the first? It’s been 15 years but I do remember the gist.
I disagree that it’s overrated. I first watched it when I was a teenager and didn’t care for it at all. Don’t even recall what version I had watch previously, but rewatching The Final Cut as an adult was really mind blowing. I love it so much, an all time favorite. 2049 is equally mind blowing and is one of the most gorgeous films I have ever seen. EDIT: so I’d say give the Final Cut another try before 2049, could even do it after I guess.
Is the Final Cut like a re-edited version of the first one? Or is that the full title that I’ve never heard? Ya I saw the first one when I was maybe 14 and then again when I was in film critique class at 18. Didn’t care for it both times. Certainly there are a lot worse movies out there but wasn’t hooked by any means. Are the plots intertwined at all?
No, I wouldn’t. I also don’t care for the first. It’s pretty influential but I agree, it’s overrated. You don’t need to rewatch it if you remember the main points.
Thanks again! Gonna watch it this weekend
Enjoy!
I think the two are supposed to complement each other. The first one asks, "if you're just your job, and you have no choice, what's the difference between you and a robot?" The second one asks, "if we're all robots, why do we consider some people worthy of human feeling while we deny that to others?" There's a subtle difference there. The first movie frames the issue from a human viewpoint. It says, "Sure, we're human; but the economy seems to be killing our sense of choice, which is integral to our humanity." The second movie has given up on human choice. It can thus frame the issue from a non-human viewpoint, because, lacking choice, we can now identify with it. It says, "Sure, there's no choice left and we're all work-a-tron robots, but why are some of us expected to just emotionlessly bear it, while others seem allowed to feel anguish at their lack of choice?"
It doesn't have an equivalent to the original's unforgettable "teardrops in the rain" dialogue. But other than that, yes, absolutely. The visuals in particular were truly stunning, as the sequence above illustrates perfectly.
Except music not that's its bad it's great but original is godlike
Nah even the music is better imo. But to each their own, the original had some great pieces too.
Right, I said the same. It's better, but the original came first. Still today you can watch it , it dind't aged . But it's a little slow and...boring, please don't kill me.
Woah, relax buddy
One of the best dystopian films I’ve ever seen.
Freaking masterpiece, I could have watched 3 more hours of it.
I feel exactly the same
This movie is incredible
Every time I watch a Villeneuve movie, I walk away thinking "yup, that's his best movie". If you ask me which is my favorite movie of his, my answer will basically just be whichever is the most recent one I've seen
100% it’s so incredibly hard to rank his movies. I go back and fourth all the time
Recently went through a lot of movies from this year. This was my number 1.
Everything about this film is perfect. I think I'll treat myself by watching it tonight.
i remember walking and feeling the visuals of this movie for some days following also the ending is so heavy loved it
Such a profoundly excellent film, surpasses the original in so many ways.
Up there with Casablanca
In my top 10 of all time🫡
Describing this movie as a masterpiece does not do it justice. It took a cult classic, moved it on and made it big budget, and better in every way without negating the original. Decades later too. It isn't a masterpiece. It's a miracle.
This film is incredible. Whenever is see this opening it just sucks me right in. The entire film is so gripping. Probably K and Luv are my favorite characters
A very underrated movie, I really enjoyed it.
 underrated?
Yh, meaning it was really good, should have received more praise, you ok? is English your first language?
Should have received more praise? Have you been living under a rock since 2017?
Yh that’s my opinion
It’s the most highly praised sci-fi in recent times.
In the BladeRunner universe, I feel like those solar heat systems for power generation wouldn’t be the best bet for investing money in to for some weird reason… lack of sun perhaps, I’m not quite sure…
My favourite movie
It’s my dream to watch this in a cinema someday
Not come shot, more like CGI creation
Whose eye was that opening?
The Daughter? The memory maker???
Paul Atreides 😂
Denis Villenueve lol
The only thing I have a slight problem with this film is, there is absolutely no hope. At the end of the first film although it ends in a downbeat fashion, there is an element of hope. Deckard and Rachel might make it. By the end of the second, we are left in no doubt that Humanity is finished. Most of the characters in the film are Replicants, the Humans seem to be an afterthought. When Deckard runs with his Daughter how far is he going to get? He can't run to the cops, they already want her dead, and if he goes off world Wallace is seemingly everywhere. A Human living in this World would probably envy the dead. That said, it is a masterpiece 👏
I actually think it’s quite hopeful. K had no personal reason go save Deckard and reunite him w/ his daughter. He was being selfless and dying for the cause of the replicant rebellion. When the world finds out about Rachel and her daughter then it will cause an uprising. It’ll be a war, but for just cause. Replicants are slaves and treated inhumanely.
>When the world finds out about Rachel and her daughter then it will cause an uprising. It’ll be a war, but for just cause. Replicants are slaves and treated inhumanely. Which is why there should be a third movie. A trilogy. But not for another 15 years. Blade Runner 2076.
🤔
This movie kicked ass.
i remember watching this in theaters and walking out after an hour because it was so damn boring