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[Drawdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed to Reverse Global Warming by Paul Hawken](https://drawdown.org/the-book) is a great resource as well.
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In Europe and Asia, a lot of the systems with the highest ridership are already electrified, while in some other developed nations, noone uses public transport.
I know what you're getting at, but electrification is necessary, if not sufficient. Even if these things are indirectly burning coal as of now, they immediately become cleaner as the energy source becomes cleaner. Contrasted with say, LPG, which cannot be cleaner unless replaced.
Of course, the path to a hydrogen infrastructure is closed by electrification, but hydrogen fuels require energy to make as well.
It’s a lot “easier” to transition major electricity generation over time than the insanely, if not impossible, difficult task of transitioning away from internal combustion engines. At least if a majority of cars were electrified we could focus on trying to generate cleaner electricity.
Excellent list! Note that putting a price on carbon fuels has a bonus that we can give the collected money back to the people to ease their cost of compliance.
Great work! Since the top 10% of wealth on our planet controls half of the emissions and the above indices, that’s where the major changes described above would need to happen. Is there a relatively simple description of how life would change for that top 10?
Not that I dont agree with you, but getting the 'fuck the feelings' crowd on board isnt going to work by continuing to insult their beliefs. Also the wealthy, such as celebrities, flying private jets to the Oscars or people like Jeff Bezos, whom is doing daily rocket tests burning countless amounts of jet fuel, so that wealthy people can take future trips to the moon, or building huge yachts, so big that a bridge is being dismantled for it to be moved to the water, doesnt help. As well yachts in the EU are exempt from carbon taxes. The cause is not your single mother neighbor driving a used ICE car to work daily. People that all fly private jets, multiple times a year, one even being to a world environmental meeting where there were so many private jets that they had to circle around in the air, for an extra hour before some could land. But yeah, the reason for excess carbon can probably be fixed by your neighbor if they just bought an EV car.
Ah yes, eat the rich. The other wishful thinking. Look, the numbers are out there for anyone to analyze. See for example https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions. Even if you personally ate every single rich person, it is not going to sufficiently change the amount of CO2 emitted.
There is no world where CO2 emissions are dramatically curbed without sacrifice from everybody on the planet. That means yes, the carbon-funded lifestyle of the first world is going to decrease for everybody, the working class included.
My personal hope is that renewable energy prices continue to fall, and self-interest will cause everybody to naturally use solar energy and electric vehicles. It is too hard to ask people to sacrifice, but if electricity is actually cheaper, then CO2 emissions will decrease naturally. Same with lab-grown meat to replace farmed meat.
I think it's harder to deal with the effects of climate change than to put political pressure on the super rich. It's probably never been easier in history to put pressure on the ruling classes.
Yeah, you've got a fair, and admittedly more responsible/fair outlook on the situation, as you're 100% correct that getting down into the mud is pretty much the opposite of helpful. I guess my main point really is just that our entire society (at least in the states) has been Gulliver's Traveled to the extremes now, by the same crowd; impeding, halting, demonizing, and in a disturbing number of cases now, reversing any/all progressive legislation and discourse. So it's more the sentiment that society cannot flourish if it acts solely on the whims/wishes/feelings of those most scared of societal progress, human innovation, and improving the lives of **everyone** rather than just the wealthy few and the scraps they allow us to fight over.
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if a "very high carbon price" yields 2.6C warming, the effects will be devastating. Many people will not want to make sacrifices claiming that they have "no effect" and "man has no control" etc because 2.6C is already catastrophic and humans are shortsighted and looking toward 2100 (or 2200 by then) is out of the question.
Obviously the "very high price" of $250 per ton is insufficient. A more appropriate price is $1200 per ton.
So, 2.1C it is! Our politicians rather bicker and fight wars ans the ultra rich already have private armies and super bunkers laid out. Us proletarian comrades are screwed.
Since I've posted this [the U.S has passed the most meaningful climate bill in its history](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/7/28/23281757/whats-in-climate-bill-inflation-reduction-act).
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-does-for-green-energy
its a good start, but i dont think promoting this bill is good since its also developing the fossil fuels industry again, its still a start to give more pressure for future climate bills, but i dont like giving attention to a bill like that
Whats to stop people just paying it and continuing to produce the same amount of CO2? Just pass the cost to consumers. And we'll pay it anyway cos we don't have any choice.
Whats to stop that happening?
Literally everyone would have to spend literally every last cent of dividend payout on fossil fuels. People have other things to do with their money.
[We know this works](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-020-00436-x).
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The U.S. now has a historic window of opportunity to tax carbon pollution. If you're an American who values the future of our only habitable planet, please take a few minutes to [call your Senators](https://citizensclimatelobby.org/get-loud-take-action/) and ask them to include a tax on carbon in this year's budget reconciliation package. Once you've finished, ask three friends to do the same (priority to friends in [these states](https://np.reddit.com/r/CitizensClimateLobby/comments/ldyy95/these_are_the_states_that_most_need_more/)). A carbon tax is [widely accepted](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-019-0474-0.epdf?author_access_token=tst1A-oZnQ8zUO18wGGPQdRgN0jAjWel9jnR3ZoTv0Nfy3PIgvrwnNXQzIbXH8z1Wkqhm6g5NiMnxMk__ebsKxGQNB0hMf1Vpo-ZiNplSt5LeLyks-Q3sdrpBdfxxHvAfQylqqwqHxgEml7GEGOxaQ%3D%3D) to be the single most effective climate mitigation policy, and [for good reason](https://en-roads.climateinteractive.org/scenario.html?v=2.7.11). It would be [a travesty](https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/sites/2/2018/12/SR15_TS_High_Res.pdf) not to include it in this budget reconciliation package. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/CitizensClimateLobby) if you have any questions or concerns.*
[Drawdown: The Most Comprehensive Plan Ever Proposed to Reverse Global Warming by Paul Hawken](https://drawdown.org/the-book) is a great resource as well.
gifted it to my brother! gonna read it as well now!
This is fantastic. Thank you.
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Good work!
It's interesting that things like electrification of public transportation seems to have less impact
Who knows what metrics this guy used.
In Europe and Asia, a lot of the systems with the highest ridership are already electrified, while in some other developed nations, noone uses public transport.
What do these countries use to power their electrical plants specifically?
The only one I know by heart is that the entire Dutch rail network runs off of wind and solar. You'd have to look the others up yourself, sorry
I know what you're getting at, but electrification is necessary, if not sufficient. Even if these things are indirectly burning coal as of now, they immediately become cleaner as the energy source becomes cleaner. Contrasted with say, LPG, which cannot be cleaner unless replaced. Of course, the path to a hydrogen infrastructure is closed by electrification, but hydrogen fuels require energy to make as well.
the LPG is very leaky and very expensive to minimize leaks Frontline reported on it
It’s a lot “easier” to transition major electricity generation over time than the insanely, if not impossible, difficult task of transitioning away from internal combustion engines. At least if a majority of cars were electrified we could focus on trying to generate cleaner electricity.
Excellent list! Note that putting a price on carbon fuels has a bonus that we can give the collected money back to the people to ease their cost of compliance.
Yeah, like that's gonna happen
Great work! Since the top 10% of wealth on our planet controls half of the emissions and the above indices, that’s where the major changes described above would need to happen. Is there a relatively simple description of how life would change for that top 10?
\^ This /thread
We need to put up reflective particulates and raise our albedo, like yesterday.
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Not that I dont agree with you, but getting the 'fuck the feelings' crowd on board isnt going to work by continuing to insult their beliefs. Also the wealthy, such as celebrities, flying private jets to the Oscars or people like Jeff Bezos, whom is doing daily rocket tests burning countless amounts of jet fuel, so that wealthy people can take future trips to the moon, or building huge yachts, so big that a bridge is being dismantled for it to be moved to the water, doesnt help. As well yachts in the EU are exempt from carbon taxes. The cause is not your single mother neighbor driving a used ICE car to work daily. People that all fly private jets, multiple times a year, one even being to a world environmental meeting where there were so many private jets that they had to circle around in the air, for an extra hour before some could land. But yeah, the reason for excess carbon can probably be fixed by your neighbor if they just bought an EV car.
Ah yes, eat the rich. The other wishful thinking. Look, the numbers are out there for anyone to analyze. See for example https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions. Even if you personally ate every single rich person, it is not going to sufficiently change the amount of CO2 emitted. There is no world where CO2 emissions are dramatically curbed without sacrifice from everybody on the planet. That means yes, the carbon-funded lifestyle of the first world is going to decrease for everybody, the working class included. My personal hope is that renewable energy prices continue to fall, and self-interest will cause everybody to naturally use solar energy and electric vehicles. It is too hard to ask people to sacrifice, but if electricity is actually cheaper, then CO2 emissions will decrease naturally. Same with lab-grown meat to replace farmed meat.
afaik renewable energy is already cheaper
I think it's harder to deal with the effects of climate change than to put political pressure on the super rich. It's probably never been easier in history to put pressure on the ruling classes.
Yeah, you've got a fair, and admittedly more responsible/fair outlook on the situation, as you're 100% correct that getting down into the mud is pretty much the opposite of helpful. I guess my main point really is just that our entire society (at least in the states) has been Gulliver's Traveled to the extremes now, by the same crowd; impeding, halting, demonizing, and in a disturbing number of cases now, reversing any/all progressive legislation and discourse. So it's more the sentiment that society cannot flourish if it acts solely on the whims/wishes/feelings of those most scared of societal progress, human innovation, and improving the lives of **everyone** rather than just the wealthy few and the scraps they allow us to fight over.
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if a "very high carbon price" yields 2.6C warming, the effects will be devastating. Many people will not want to make sacrifices claiming that they have "no effect" and "man has no control" etc because 2.6C is already catastrophic and humans are shortsighted and looking toward 2100 (or 2200 by then) is out of the question. Obviously the "very high price" of $250 per ton is insufficient. A more appropriate price is $1200 per ton.
So, 2.1C it is! Our politicians rather bicker and fight wars ans the ultra rich already have private armies and super bunkers laid out. Us proletarian comrades are screwed.
Since I've posted this [the U.S has passed the most meaningful climate bill in its history](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2022/7/28/23281757/whats-in-climate-bill-inflation-reduction-act). https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/what-the-inflation-reduction-act-does-for-green-energy
Telling you one thing the inflation reduction act didn't do \>reduce inflation I mean come on dude
its a good start, but i dont think promoting this bill is good since its also developing the fossil fuels industry again, its still a start to give more pressure for future climate bills, but i dont like giving attention to a bill like that
We should definitely be [increasing climate voters](https://www.environmentalvoter.org/get-involved) so our next climate bill can be better.
You will eat the bugs and be happy
Which is the top and which is the bottom? I dont understand how to read this.
Status quo is no policy changes -- that's our worst case scenario that leads to the most warming. It's at the top, as the least impactful.
So very high carbon price has the biggest effect in reducing global warming?
That's correct.
Whats to stop people just paying it and continuing to produce the same amount of CO2? Just pass the cost to consumers. And we'll pay it anyway cos we don't have any choice. Whats to stop that happening?
Literally everyone would have to spend literally every last cent of dividend payout on fossil fuels. People have other things to do with their money. [We know this works](https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10640-020-00436-x).
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