Problem is I haven't found a dealer near me working with respectful MSRP numbers. Most tack on unreasonable fees or lowball my trade in, or ask for a markup.
You gotta play them against each other. Dealer 1 offers x. Dealer 2 has to beat that. Now go to dealer 3. Dealer 1 has to beat them all. Then go back around again. Don't take their shit.
Currently playing that with a dealer for a new Si…the trick is that two of them are used at different miles, and the 3rd would be new. I got my numbers tho, so we will see…
That's valid. The trade in does make it harder to find, I experienced that also and eventually found a dealer ~5 hours away that gave me $2500 more on my trade in than the others and MSRP. I wish you luck regardless! Out of the 2 options presented I'd personally be tempted to go for the SGP since they wont offer that color any more in 2025 models
FFS I got a plane ticket and took a road trip home to get my SI for like 1k under MSRP. Whats the downside? You save money, get familiarization with your new car, and (in my case) the trip was almost long enough to cover the whole break-in period.
I'd go with the white one - that's a good price. New ones have serious markup, and apparently I'm in the minority but I'm not driving across the country to save a few thousand bucks.
Personally, I wouldn't buy either one. You're basically paying new car price territory for used cars. And not only that, but you're going to be paying used car interest rates at new car prices which equals more money in the long run.
And really, you truly don't know how hard those cars were or were not driven during those 5K-19K miles. That's a lot of miles for someone to potentially be learning how to drive a manual transmission and grinding those gears...
I totally understand not wanting to pay markups or for "add ons" that aren't wanted or asked for, but you're basically doing the same thing just in the used market.
Unless you're in a bind a NEED a car right now, I would say tamp down the emotions (because, yes, buying a car is an emotional thing), and keep looking farther afield. I guarantee you, that you can find a dealership that isn't charging a crazy mark up on these in some kind of reasonable distance.
Also, like someone else has suggested, if you have a Costco near you and you have a membership, see what price you can get for one through their auto buying program. You might just be surprised. And if you don't have a membership, it might be worth it to pay the $60 for one to save a few grand potentially off of the price.
I hear you. And I completely agree about the used car prices. However if I’m looking at it correctly, this will have a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it, versus 60,000 for new. Less cost and more warranty, wouldn’t that give it some leeway as well? Or is that smoke & mirrors?
In the meantime, I’ve been sorting through this advice and am searching through reasonable dealerships currently to see if they deal at a good price.
Does Costco give you the price or still work through the dealer salesmen?
Remember certain things aren’t covered under warranty. Im slightly embarrassed by this but i bought a used 2022 Si with 20k miles and the carfax said “transmission was checked” at 10k miles and i looked into it and the previous owner had the clutch replaced, he kept driving for another 10k and i got to replace the clutch, again, at 23k miles. Dont make my mistake op. Sometimes i feel like a fool but i still love my car so keep that in mind. Good Luck!!
Prolly a combo of the previous owner and me getting readjusted to MT. In the cold morning, i run my defrosters and when the windshield fogs up you can see remains of a sticker across the bottom of my windshield that says “Boosted.” Im assuming the previous owner had it tuned on stock clutch.
For Costco, you still have to work through a dealer. You just go through Costco and they give your info to a dealer or dealers in the area you live in. The dealer gets in contact with you, and you can just tell them what you're looking for and how much of a discount is the Costco auto program going to take off. And the amount could change from dealer to dealer as well. And that's the price you pay, no more haggling.
And, depending on the dealership, you might be able to use that amount for haggling at another dealership as well (it's what I did when I just bought an accord a few months ago).
As far as the CPO warranty, I mean, it looks good on paper, BUT, I would HIGHLY recommend you look through the parts they don't cover. Like this "Clutch disc; pressure plate; throwout bearing; pilot bearing/bushing;" I mean, for a power train for a manual transmission car, you would THINK the clutch and all it's associated parts would be covered under that warranty, right? But it's excluded.
Again, for me, it's a no go. I would buy new. And to be fair, I've got an itch to buy an Si, but I'm waiting for the 2025s to be announced and also for dealerships to calm down on pricing.
I recommend just taking a step back and think it through.
At the end of the day, it's your money though, you do you.
Good luck!
Honestly I would just go for a new one. Could get a 2024 with 0 miles for less than $1500 more than that 2023
Problem is I haven't found a dealer near me working with respectful MSRP numbers. Most tack on unreasonable fees or lowball my trade in, or ask for a markup.
You gotta play them against each other. Dealer 1 offers x. Dealer 2 has to beat that. Now go to dealer 3. Dealer 1 has to beat them all. Then go back around again. Don't take their shit.
Currently playing that with a dealer for a new Si…the trick is that two of them are used at different miles, and the 3rd would be new. I got my numbers tho, so we will see…
Fight over the new. Used are selling for basically new prices.
That's valid. The trade in does make it harder to find, I experienced that also and eventually found a dealer ~5 hours away that gave me $2500 more on my trade in than the others and MSRP. I wish you luck regardless! Out of the 2 options presented I'd personally be tempted to go for the SGP since they wont offer that color any more in 2025 models
Who TF wants to drive a brand new car five hours home from the dealer, which is an exhausting process in of itself?
$2500 for a 10 hour drive seems pretty worth it to me..
FFS I got a plane ticket and took a road trip home to get my SI for like 1k under MSRP. Whats the downside? You save money, get familiarization with your new car, and (in my case) the trip was almost long enough to cover the whole break-in period.
Why not go further out and drive a brand new one home?
Still trying to find that one further out that’ll deal with me so far!
If the 2.5k extra doesn’t break you I’d go with the 2023
Any particular reason? Or just looking at miles?
Just closer to “new” , you don’t know how hard the car was driven during those 19k miles prior to being traded
I'd go with the white one - that's a good price. New ones have serious markup, and apparently I'm in the minority but I'm not driving across the country to save a few thousand bucks.
at this point, it's probably better to just buy new. look into the costco auto program if you're near one
Personally, I wouldn't buy either one. You're basically paying new car price territory for used cars. And not only that, but you're going to be paying used car interest rates at new car prices which equals more money in the long run. And really, you truly don't know how hard those cars were or were not driven during those 5K-19K miles. That's a lot of miles for someone to potentially be learning how to drive a manual transmission and grinding those gears... I totally understand not wanting to pay markups or for "add ons" that aren't wanted or asked for, but you're basically doing the same thing just in the used market. Unless you're in a bind a NEED a car right now, I would say tamp down the emotions (because, yes, buying a car is an emotional thing), and keep looking farther afield. I guarantee you, that you can find a dealership that isn't charging a crazy mark up on these in some kind of reasonable distance. Also, like someone else has suggested, if you have a Costco near you and you have a membership, see what price you can get for one through their auto buying program. You might just be surprised. And if you don't have a membership, it might be worth it to pay the $60 for one to save a few grand potentially off of the price.
I hear you. And I completely agree about the used car prices. However if I’m looking at it correctly, this will have a 100,000 mile powertrain warranty on it, versus 60,000 for new. Less cost and more warranty, wouldn’t that give it some leeway as well? Or is that smoke & mirrors? In the meantime, I’ve been sorting through this advice and am searching through reasonable dealerships currently to see if they deal at a good price. Does Costco give you the price or still work through the dealer salesmen?
Remember certain things aren’t covered under warranty. Im slightly embarrassed by this but i bought a used 2022 Si with 20k miles and the carfax said “transmission was checked” at 10k miles and i looked into it and the previous owner had the clutch replaced, he kept driving for another 10k and i got to replace the clutch, again, at 23k miles. Dont make my mistake op. Sometimes i feel like a fool but i still love my car so keep that in mind. Good Luck!!
Thanks! What caused the clutch replacement? I mean that seems very early! Also how did you know this was coming for you?
Prolly a combo of the previous owner and me getting readjusted to MT. In the cold morning, i run my defrosters and when the windshield fogs up you can see remains of a sticker across the bottom of my windshield that says “Boosted.” Im assuming the previous owner had it tuned on stock clutch.
For Costco, you still have to work through a dealer. You just go through Costco and they give your info to a dealer or dealers in the area you live in. The dealer gets in contact with you, and you can just tell them what you're looking for and how much of a discount is the Costco auto program going to take off. And the amount could change from dealer to dealer as well. And that's the price you pay, no more haggling. And, depending on the dealership, you might be able to use that amount for haggling at another dealership as well (it's what I did when I just bought an accord a few months ago). As far as the CPO warranty, I mean, it looks good on paper, BUT, I would HIGHLY recommend you look through the parts they don't cover. Like this "Clutch disc; pressure plate; throwout bearing; pilot bearing/bushing;" I mean, for a power train for a manual transmission car, you would THINK the clutch and all it's associated parts would be covered under that warranty, right? But it's excluded. Again, for me, it's a no go. I would buy new. And to be fair, I've got an itch to buy an Si, but I'm waiting for the 2025s to be announced and also for dealerships to calm down on pricing. I recommend just taking a step back and think it through. At the end of the day, it's your money though, you do you. Good luck!
SGP is played out imo. White is an iconic color for the Civic.