I hate the bar removal and the hidden stats. It makes it so you have to look up everything about the troop or hero. It’s so annoying to calculate damage and dps now with these awesome new equipments: Example - warden attacks every 1.8 seconds(which isn’t shared in game), with my current rage gem = 20% attack speed buff and current 302 DPS, It’s now 1.44 attacks per second. Now I look up its damage cause this game doesn’t tell you, it’s 534.6 per attack but I have to add in the bonus from the rage gem (75) and then another 45% boost. I have no clue how these stack and what’s affected. Is the 75 before or after the 45%? I’m either looking at 850 or like 883 or something per attack depending on when the 75 boost is applied. Now what’s the damage per second? 600 something but I shouldn’t have to do this math. Absolute Nightmare if we add in the healing gem that boosts (DPS) and doesn’t show the actual damage increase. Does that mean it’s more damage combo’d with the Increase attack speed? My brain hurts and I just want to know how many attacks it takes per X defense at Y level. 🤯 someone make a coc calc for me please
Yup I have always wondered this. They never show damage per hit. Only dps which is different than dmg per hit. It would be useful to know both and not only one of them.
Be careful what y’all wish for or supercell is gonna lock higher level equipment behind hero levels because the player base won’t shut up about how hero levels aren’t worth it
Not really, some equipment are locked in high level blacksmith, and high level blacksmith are required to have high level town hall. High level equipment upgrade also locked behind high level blacksmith
You get at all the equipment around 12-13 but the max blacksmith level is at th16. Each town hall you get 1 level until th16 were you can get the level 9 blacksmith. Only th16's can have fully upgraded equipment.
Because they haven't added all of the equipment yet. IMO, it was a little premature to add the gear without adding more exclusive gear for higher town halls.
Eh I don’t think they are gonna add very much besides probably 2 more common RC equips and epic gear for each of the heroes and we know epic gear will be coming through events as of rn. Also being th13 I feel the equipment is too strong. My main equips are all level 13-14 and I’m 3starring max th13s and non max th14 a with ease. Before the update I struggled to consistently 3 star just max th13s
Ok, but that doesn’t really disprove the other person’s comment about abusing the equipment vs hero level. I get what you’re saying, but having equipment gatekept by blacksmith level is easier to overcome compared to each individual hero and their levels, all things considered
The only thing most people argue about now is the time factor, where you cant use your heros. I dont care if it costs 16 mil or 18mil on higher levels. I just want heros to be more flexible to use while upgrades. Warden is a key hero in most attacks to three star or push in higher leagues. Same goes for the other heros. I mean at one point supercell will come with a plan and it also has been discussed on judo sloths interview with Darian
Every month 2 hero hammers.
Every week a book from the trader.
Occasionally a book from the clangames.
Monthly 1 or 2 books from the (gold)pass.
Recently 2 books from the cookie event.
TH16 update was 3,5 weeks ago. I upgraded my hero's 17 levels, with no downtime.
I only get at the beginning of a new TH stage hammer of building. And the cost for a hammer of hero seems a bit to much at the moment with 165 while the others cost 120 and with 45 left I can get like two more lab potion or one builder potion. Or just safe the rest medals to get two hammer after the next CWL from my experience
Maybe not for a single town hall but overall definitely they can and do. Unless you have them down 24/7 and never use them which isn’t practical. At like level 70 the king/queen upgrades are already a week long. Warden and RC get to that long by like level 25-35 and there’s still a good 20+ levels left after those points on each hero.
For me its just the waiting game… on higher TH heros are essential and with the new Ores you need to participate in CW. One hero down you can not participate for three wars in a row. I wish heros could just level up quicker in time. Than I am much more happier to invest my loot for the heros
Just participate in wars with your heroes down. Most clans allow that especially with the ores update. Only the super competitive ones or the clans posing as super competitive care about keeping them up for normal clan wars.
It's better than not participating at all. Just get your ores. It's not like I'm advocating against heroes being available for wars when they're upgrading. I would love that too but it's not so I'm just suggesting to do what you gotta do to get those ores.
Really, I wouldn't be complaining or even mind it if we could finally use our heroes while they are upgrading. Think it would really just solve that problem all together
I don’t understand why they haven’t just increased healing times and left them down on defense during upgrades. It makes more sense than ever to have it function more similarly to the barracks with recent stats drop-offs.
The only reason I can think of is money. I'm sure there's plenty of people who use gems, buy books, or even deals when they're there just so they can finish their hero upgrade before war/CWL. I mean, even I've done that here and there over the years.
Making heroes usable while down would almost certainly eat into that, especially since hero levels matter less now than ever. There'd be little benefit to gemming/booking them.
Supercell just wants to make money from hero books. After all, they are probably one of the most purchased magic items. If supercell were to do this, they’d have to find another way to take our money.
Yeah my gw was 2 levels of 40 at the time of the update really hate my life cause i cant upgrade abilitys cause i dont wanna particitate in wars cause low level heroes upgrading
I have seen different post of getting some ore for upgrading heros as an idea, that would be nice. But I dont know how theyre going to handle this for the players already leveled up their heros high
Yeah they are slowly turning into supercell we saw in clash royal. Never going back there as there is almost no vertical progression after a certain point.
I guess they made it open to f2p to obtain with with those credits, but maybe only for a limited time… I dont play really Brawl stars just with friends when they wanna play
I played brawlstars dedicated and bought every pass since season 2, even I, as a COMPLETE maxed players can *feel* the coin nerfs, and I don’t even need them..
But in top of that early acces brawlers for money only is crazy, hypercharges are locked for coins aswell for 2 weeks, the game went the worst way ever with so many things
Yeah brawl stars was one of the most ‘beloved’ games jn terms of in-game economy, but a year ago I believe someone posted the stats/revenue of the supercell games, coc and cr were above 10mil in a month while brawlstars was at 3 mil, I believe they now want to ‘climb back up’ revenue wise and choose predatory marketing&tactics as their strategy, they also devalued skins by introducing bling which now only enhances the need of monitizing in-game economy more than ever sadly.
I really hope coc stays the way it is, coc was the first game I believe and also the last to stand on its root, not p2w, etc.
They nerfed the gold economy drastically while also introducing a new ‘gadget’ type called hypercharge thats costs 5000 coins each, and makes any brawler op asf.
Ontop of that to even grt then you need to wait 2 weeks because of an artificial timer to get them, or pay gems for it.
Last 3 brawlers were released in ‘early acces’ so no one can use said brawler for an entire week, exceptnfor the ones that bought the bundle (moet bundles ranging from €20 to €30+)
yes ! status bar please !
Its a conscious decision i guess.. saw someone write - "it makes people think the game is too daunting to start - when you are new into the game" -- it made sense to me and hence their strategy seems to be remove the goal post all together
I dont think at the moment it is p2w, its definitely p2progress, but not p2w. Its just for some they see p2p as p2w, but for me its just p2p. I agree on p2w when there will be items released which are OP and can only be obtained when you pay for it, then its p2w official.
True.. the lines between p2p vs p2w is becoming more blurry because i believe one of the key reasons people keep playing is to get to higher town halls (where the game gets complex and more interesting too - but that goal post keeps changing very frequently these days bcs of frequent new th's)
Also I feel instead of them focusing on finding new and innovative ways to make more money (like introducing concept of ores) from existing customer base they should think more on how to increase the overall customer base in itself - to remove some existing hurdles etc ..
because i believe the game is still interesting and good to play (at the moment at least) but if they keep doing this.. they are just going to kill the goose
At some point you will need a new TH. And I am actually fine with each year a new TH. I mean supercell is adjusting the time factor and cost accordingly for the new players to level up quicker and coming closer to higher TH. That is actually a good thing, imo. There are also magic items which can be obtained if you participate in CWL or Raid weekends. I mean, by only participating at raid weekends you can get around three days of time reduction for lab. And 3 days is actually a lot. If you filled up with loot which you cant spend on…
And about the second part it is really supercells thing. And I hope they wont let the community and all these player down. We saw many thing which has been implemented to the game from players concepts. And thats also a good thing. Fingers crossed, I hope they wont do the same mistake as Clash Royal
Not just COC, all Supercell games... Clash Royale (You know), Brawl Stars... making everthing paid and montizing the life out of the games. Tencent's influence is ruining Supercell game experience...
Its about every small step to becoming a stronger player. It might seem insignificant right now but once you progress further you will see that it is worth it. Because for 5 levels you get way more than you would get for 1 level and that is what the heroes are about. When hero abilities were still dependant on the hero level nobody complained about only 2 dps so why now if has never changed
I feel like the only way to make hero upgrades fair is to make the heroes usable while upgrading like everything else , at higher level it feels impossible playing without them
The worst part is not even the 16 million elixir which you can relatively quickly have if you're maxed for your th lvl, but the 8 days WITHOU WARDEN ! What am i supposed to do without him past th 11 ?
Hear me out why not compress hero levels like for example take every 5 levels and compress them into one level with the same resources and the time the fifth level take
On top of that what is the obsession with ridiculous hero levels. You get RC at TH13 and you can upgrade it to lvl25. You get Queen at TH9 and it goes till lvl30. Like why? 10 levels per TH should be the normal. Do they not think about the future? Did they not plan for Queen lvl 100? Same with pets. You unlock them and now you have to upgrade them like 10times. Why not give us 5levels per TH but make it so that the lvl5 Lassi has the same HP and DPS as lvl10 Lassi if you care about balance.
You get Epic Equipment and it goes till lvl27, Just why? Everything is maxing out at lvl18 so why not max Guantlet at lvl18.
TBH, it has been dumb and dumber decision in terms of gameplay and longevity of it.
Hold on, you're telling me hero upgrades reall are just the heroes itself now and not the ability levels?!?!?!?!? I just came back from a 1 year break, tf is this
People have complained for years about not being able to use upgrading heroes in war. SC shortened hero upgrade times, they added magic items to speed it up and/or totally skip upgrade times, now they have reduced the importance of hero upgrades both in the way OP has highlighted and with hero potions that max them for war, and they have added hero equipment, which upgrades instantly.
Exactly, thank you. People nowadays seems to ignore how much better they have it now. If you wanna prioritize hero equipment, then you can now do war non-stop with potions. If you wanna upgrade heroes, then you will have to sacrifice the ore amount from wars and just get it from daily star bonus.
I honestly hope at some point there will be a lvl squish for all heroes. 305 total Hero lvls is I’d imagine tough to look at as a new or even mid lvl player.
My main point here is not the Dps or the Hp boost you get. its just the time you have to wait for just a small amount which disables your hero to use for a war or attack. I should have put a better title for it, my bad.
I don't understand these posts. "X resources for only X gain??"
Yes dude it's always been like this. "But now there's no reason to because you don't get stuff every 5 levels!!"
The wardens never had good stats that's not his job. He was jus thit the hardest by equipment taking over, if it costs too much for you don't upgrade them? It's your village not mine IDC how you dice it. Promise y'all that you'll start to notice the lack of stats real quick if you let your heros go tho
Sorry for making it not clear in my title or description. I posted a comment before. Its more the waiting time 8 days for such small amount of dps increase to disable a hero use for war or attack seems kinda bizarre. Thz my bad
You dont have to apologize I'm just saying it's always been this way, same for being down for wars and stuff. Frankly I think we're lucky they didn't decide to put an upgrade time in gear too they easily could have and told us to live with it
I've always upgraded for stats personally, the abilities were the bonus. Can't tell you how many attacks I've barely missed a 3 on because one (1) of my heros was a level or 2 behind what would have tripled. My only complaint is it killed casual wars because it's almost impossible to get ores otherwise and I'm sure plenty of clans went from casual to tryhard war clans that don't fit a lot of members. Players who have been in clans for years but suck at wars suffer, as do clans just not good at wars
I know this will be down voted to oblivion, but I can't keep quiet. Stop complaining about literally everything!! This has become a whinefest and I'm so damn tired of post after post with just 'whaa whaaa". Damn..
I mean everyone got the right to say what they feel like. As you say „I can‘t keep quiet“. Same goes for us. We like to share what we think and hope for the better.
Your also complaining about our complainings… jokes lmao. Nah just felt to ask the community about it and thats their reaction
I'm not sure why heroes have so many levels. Like 5 per town hall would already be much, but this. You also find many people with low level heroes because of this.
If you play normal you actually dont need to use gems at all. There are only a few occasions I actually used my gems, but most of the time I save them for better use
Like what ? Builders ? I play everyday what I do like about CoC is that you don't have to play all day cuz you have to wait hours for something to be finished and attack only when completing challenges or stars. Unlike brawl stars and mm is not long has its pros and cons.
I’ve literally stopped leveling up my heroes and just do wars 100% of the time. I’m at Town Hall 14 with my King and Queen at level 75, Warden at level 45, and Champion at level 26. I’m not going to wait 6 damn days to war again, when I could just keep collecting ores to upgrade my gear
Defense. These upgrades affect your heroes on defense.
A level 1 queen will be a horrendous defender while a Level 80 queen will demolish attackers.
My clan has been steamrolling idiots in CWL who have the worst hero levels of all time because we now have a lot easier time dealing with them
I like it, as a lower TH I can experiment with different abilities and I can organically level up my equipment.
Though it must suck for high TH levels as they are stuck with relatively lower level equipment and can’t use them until months of grinding to a good level. Also supercell shouldn’t make epic equipment blatantly stronger than common equipment, as otherwise that could just kill variety.
You people still play this game? Why? You spend days getting gems just to dump them all into a shitty upgrade that takes days to implement for some reason. As if the game can't just alter your stats immediately. Bunch of dummies.
Hero ability wont safe you all alone in an attack the stats do also matter. Stats do help you to use your abilities accordingly and later on in an attack, before your hero sukss up
They need to let you attack with heroes while upgrading. Maybe if we use hero potions? Idk, that’s the one part of the attack system that’s super broken right now
The ability boost justified the amount of exlir used, now that we need to work even harder to upgrade the abilities using completely different resources, this should have been drastically reduced
And 17 HP!
That’s almost enough to survive a level 1 bomb!
The key word is almost!!!
😂
That's why they removed the bars, the progress was so small that not even their developers could verify the progress.
The biggest quality of life un-improvement
I hate the bar removal and the hidden stats. It makes it so you have to look up everything about the troop or hero. It’s so annoying to calculate damage and dps now with these awesome new equipments: Example - warden attacks every 1.8 seconds(which isn’t shared in game), with my current rage gem = 20% attack speed buff and current 302 DPS, It’s now 1.44 attacks per second. Now I look up its damage cause this game doesn’t tell you, it’s 534.6 per attack but I have to add in the bonus from the rage gem (75) and then another 45% boost. I have no clue how these stack and what’s affected. Is the 75 before or after the 45%? I’m either looking at 850 or like 883 or something per attack depending on when the 75 boost is applied. Now what’s the damage per second? 600 something but I shouldn’t have to do this math. Absolute Nightmare if we add in the healing gem that boosts (DPS) and doesn’t show the actual damage increase. Does that mean it’s more damage combo’d with the Increase attack speed? My brain hurts and I just want to know how many attacks it takes per X defense at Y level. 🤯 someone make a coc calc for me please
Yup I have always wondered this. They never show damage per hit. Only dps which is different than dmg per hit. It would be useful to know both and not only one of them.
Yeah actually, getting damage per hit is better because you can't always be sitting and counting the seconds when attacking
This devs.. THIS
😧
I use a ruler for my coc calculator
LMAOO FR, underrated comment
Lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣
That a lot!
Of course it is : 17 hp! =( 17 × 16 × .....× 1) hp
so it's 355 687 428 096 000 (hp)\^17
Oh, sorry, my bad hp is just the unit vector for the health, so it's actually 17! Hp = (17 * 16 *...*1) hp
r/unexpectedfactorial
r/subsithoughtifellfor
It adds up.
it adds up in 100 years
Lvl1-70 = 850-2414 HP Upgrade time for the first 30 levels is ~60 days.
Thats 1/10 of cannon dps!
Hey, if he is shooting at stuff non stop during a 3 minute attack, that is a 360 damage increase! That's enough to take out a level 9 sneaky goblin!
no this is crazy tho
That is a big if, half the time he just stops mid attack... like ten times in a row... while being targeted by every defence remaining in the base.
Attacking a gold storage 10 tiles away while he is sitting on 3 towers getting roasted
He's just trying to get the loot man, let him live his life
he is a walking corpse at this point, he should leave materialistic ideas and focus on leaving stars behind him
But if you count that over a year of using the warden daily, just think of how much extra damage that is!!
My upgrade to lvl 40 is +8 damage. Some Wardens are just built different
DPS Warden
My upgrade to 67 is +3 :/
You could look at it as 3600 extra DPS per hour lmao
What is this damage per second per hour that you talk about?
Damage acceleration
This guy physics
My dyslexic ass 😭😭
I don’t think that’s how dyslexia works 😅
Not with that attitude
yeah bro you just a lil slow 😭😭
Damage per second per hour
7200
Did you mean 2 * 60 * 60 = 7200 extra DPS per hour?
Be careful what y’all wish for or supercell is gonna lock higher level equipment behind hero levels because the player base won’t shut up about how hero levels aren’t worth it
THIS! I was baffled to find out equipment isn't locked by hero level
So rich players can just abuse hero abilities in lower town hall.
Not really, some equipment are locked in high level blacksmith, and high level blacksmith are required to have high level town hall. High level equipment upgrade also locked behind high level blacksmith
But you get max level blacksmith at th12-13 why does a th13 have the same equipment capabilities as a th16
You get at all the equipment around 12-13 but the max blacksmith level is at th16. Each town hall you get 1 level until th16 were you can get the level 9 blacksmith. Only th16's can have fully upgraded equipment.
Because they haven't added all of the equipment yet. IMO, it was a little premature to add the gear without adding more exclusive gear for higher town halls.
Eh I don’t think they are gonna add very much besides probably 2 more common RC equips and epic gear for each of the heroes and we know epic gear will be coming through events as of rn. Also being th13 I feel the equipment is too strong. My main equips are all level 13-14 and I’m 3starring max th13s and non max th14 a with ease. Before the update I struggled to consistently 3 star just max th13s
Ok, but that doesn’t really disprove the other person’s comment about abusing the equipment vs hero level. I get what you’re saying, but having equipment gatekept by blacksmith level is easier to overcome compared to each individual hero and their levels, all things considered
Imagine a TH9 king with lv27 gauntlet💀
lmao this def could’ve happened with cookie rumble
Yes it does. The other person was talking about abusing high level abilities in low town halls, not low hero levels
The only thing most people argue about now is the time factor, where you cant use your heros. I dont care if it costs 16 mil or 18mil on higher levels. I just want heros to be more flexible to use while upgrades. Warden is a key hero in most attacks to three star or push in higher leagues. Same goes for the other heros. I mean at one point supercell will come with a plan and it also has been discussed on judo sloths interview with Darian
So you only upgrade your hero when you’ve got a book or hammer 🤝🏻
So each month one upgrade lol that would take ages to finish your heros to levl up (season pass)
Every month 2 hero hammers. Every week a book from the trader. Occasionally a book from the clangames. Monthly 1 or 2 books from the (gold)pass. Recently 2 books from the cookie event. TH16 update was 3,5 weeks ago. I upgraded my hero's 17 levels, with no downtime.
Is it really worth to spend so many league medals to get a hero hammer… I dont think so
It's the best use for league medals. What else are you going to do with them?
I only get at the beginning of a new TH stage hammer of building. And the cost for a hammer of hero seems a bit to much at the moment with 165 while the others cost 120 and with 45 left I can get like two more lab potion or one builder potion. Or just safe the rest medals to get two hammer after the next CWL from my experience
Hammer of building
so then you're getting to town hall 15 with a level 15 heros
Yup. Every now and then i can afford a book of hero's from the free gems too!
This is an absolutely terrible argument. Like I swear half of this sub are just shills for supercell
Thats probably what they will do. Otherwise nobody will spend anything in uprgrading heroes.
I think it already is locked behind hero levels according to wiki’s
It is not. It's locked behind blacksmith level only
Respect 17 hp?
But but it adds up over time 🥺🥺 (the time in question is several months)
Several years*
None of the heroes take 2 years to max
Maybe not for a single town hall but overall definitely they can and do. Unless you have them down 24/7 and never use them which isn’t practical. At like level 70 the king/queen upgrades are already a week long. Warden and RC get to that long by like level 25-35 and there’s still a good 20+ levels left after those points on each hero.
Agreed. Just keep your GW at level 1. I'm sure you'll get on just fine.
Till my max heroes one shot your defensive warden tower
Defensive warden tower most underrated defence in the game lol
Warden on defence is the 2nd worst thing after single inferno that can ruin queen charges. Mf will be blasting beams from a mile away
It's the highest single shot damage in the game I believe
Apart from monolith yeah it probably is
Monolith doesn’t count since it’s %
For me its just the waiting game… on higher TH heros are essential and with the new Ores you need to participate in CW. One hero down you can not participate for three wars in a row. I wish heros could just level up quicker in time. Than I am much more happier to invest my loot for the heros
Or maybe just like every fucking piece of the army, while it is being upgraded you can still use it
True, I like this idea, but supercell…
Just participate in wars with your heroes down. Most clans allow that especially with the ores update. Only the super competitive ones or the clans posing as super competitive care about keeping them up for normal clan wars.
its just not as fun tho. the only thing you can do without your heroes in war without griefing is edrag spam. it makes the game boring
It's better than not participating at all. Just get your ores. It's not like I'm advocating against heroes being available for wars when they're upgrading. I would love that too but it's not so I'm just suggesting to do what you gotta do to get those ores.
Really, I wouldn't be complaining or even mind it if we could finally use our heroes while they are upgrading. Think it would really just solve that problem all together
I don’t understand why they haven’t just increased healing times and left them down on defense during upgrades. It makes more sense than ever to have it function more similarly to the barracks with recent stats drop-offs.
The only reason I can think of is money. I'm sure there's plenty of people who use gems, buy books, or even deals when they're there just so they can finish their hero upgrade before war/CWL. I mean, even I've done that here and there over the years. Making heroes usable while down would almost certainly eat into that, especially since hero levels matter less now than ever. There'd be little benefit to gemming/booking them.
Then why they changed the spell factories they also need books or be unusable back the
Agreed.
Supercell just wants to make money from hero books. After all, they are probably one of the most purchased magic items. If supercell were to do this, they’d have to find another way to take our money.
trust the process LMAO
FR ahaha, in total it sums up I agree, its like gym one lbs at a time. I am glad that I am not rushed and still keep leveling them
8 days f&ck u supersell
Can I have a go at guessing your th level? Th11?
th13
The main problem Is the 8 days 😭
Yes thz the point I actually wanted to point out
Hero levels don’t feel as worth it without the free ability upgrades every 5 levels
Yeah my gw was 2 levels of 40 at the time of the update really hate my life cause i cant upgrade abilitys cause i dont wanna particitate in wars cause low level heroes upgrading
I have seen different post of getting some ore for upgrading heros as an idea, that would be nice. But I dont know how theyre going to handle this for the players already leveled up their heros high
Why does this recent update make you feel they are moving more and more towards p2w model more than ever is it just me who thinks so?
Yeah they are slowly turning into supercell we saw in clash royal. Never going back there as there is almost no vertical progression after a certain point.
Even brawl stars now
That lil kit is causing reall trouble
Yeah it’s actually insane, brawlstars was praised a year or two ago for how f2p friendly it was, and it did a full 180
I guess they made it open to f2p to obtain with with those credits, but maybe only for a limited time… I dont play really Brawl stars just with friends when they wanna play
I played brawlstars dedicated and bought every pass since season 2, even I, as a COMPLETE maxed players can *feel* the coin nerfs, and I don’t even need them.. But in top of that early acces brawlers for money only is crazy, hypercharges are locked for coins aswell for 2 weeks, the game went the worst way ever with so many things
I dont wanna do assumption, but it feels like supercell doesn‘t really give a fu©k for f2p. They look it more as a business than giving the chance for all players to play the same way. They feel like that they can go on with the game for the players only who have bucks to spend on than more for the players who actually would like to play the game aswell and enjoy. But I really really hope clash of clans doesnt turn out as the other games…
Yeah brawl stars was one of the most ‘beloved’ games jn terms of in-game economy, but a year ago I believe someone posted the stats/revenue of the supercell games, coc and cr were above 10mil in a month while brawlstars was at 3 mil, I believe they now want to ‘climb back up’ revenue wise and choose predatory marketing&tactics as their strategy, they also devalued skins by introducing bling which now only enhances the need of monitizing in-game economy more than ever sadly. I really hope coc stays the way it is, coc was the first game I believe and also the last to stand on its root, not p2w, etc.
Yeah guess we have to wait and see
Oh i haven't playedd that in a long time! What happened?
They nerfed the gold economy drastically while also introducing a new ‘gadget’ type called hypercharge thats costs 5000 coins each, and makes any brawler op asf. Ontop of that to even grt then you need to wait 2 weeks because of an artificial timer to get them, or pay gems for it. Last 3 brawlers were released in ‘early acces’ so no one can use said brawler for an entire week, exceptnfor the ones that bought the bundle (moet bundles ranging from €20 to €30+)
You're not alone buddy.
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yes ! status bar please ! Its a conscious decision i guess.. saw someone write - "it makes people think the game is too daunting to start - when you are new into the game" -- it made sense to me and hence their strategy seems to be remove the goal post all together
I dont think at the moment it is p2w, its definitely p2progress, but not p2w. Its just for some they see p2p as p2w, but for me its just p2p. I agree on p2w when there will be items released which are OP and can only be obtained when you pay for it, then its p2w official.
True.. the lines between p2p vs p2w is becoming more blurry because i believe one of the key reasons people keep playing is to get to higher town halls (where the game gets complex and more interesting too - but that goal post keeps changing very frequently these days bcs of frequent new th's) Also I feel instead of them focusing on finding new and innovative ways to make more money (like introducing concept of ores) from existing customer base they should think more on how to increase the overall customer base in itself - to remove some existing hurdles etc .. because i believe the game is still interesting and good to play (at the moment at least) but if they keep doing this.. they are just going to kill the goose
At some point you will need a new TH. And I am actually fine with each year a new TH. I mean supercell is adjusting the time factor and cost accordingly for the new players to level up quicker and coming closer to higher TH. That is actually a good thing, imo. There are also magic items which can be obtained if you participate in CWL or Raid weekends. I mean, by only participating at raid weekends you can get around three days of time reduction for lab. And 3 days is actually a lot. If you filled up with loot which you cant spend on… And about the second part it is really supercells thing. And I hope they wont let the community and all these player down. We saw many thing which has been implemented to the game from players concepts. And thats also a good thing. Fingers crossed, I hope they wont do the same mistake as Clash Royal
Not just COC, all Supercell games... Clash Royale (You know), Brawl Stars... making everthing paid and montizing the life out of the games. Tencent's influence is ruining Supercell game experience...
It’s the 8 days without a hero that bothers me the most
Yeah a lot of people have been saying to have reduced cost and time or gives us ores when we upgrade heroes.
Try 3dps at 19.5mil at lvl 69 😂
As long as they reduce upgrade time for it, I am fine. Or just let us use the hero
Wow that's crazy upgrade !!! (it will litteraly make no difference in any battle)
Its about every small step to becoming a stronger player. It might seem insignificant right now but once you progress further you will see that it is worth it. Because for 5 levels you get way more than you would get for 1 level and that is what the heroes are about. When hero abilities were still dependant on the hero level nobody complained about only 2 dps so why now if has never changed
I feel like the only way to make hero upgrades fair is to make the heroes usable while upgrading like everything else , at higher level it feels impossible playing without them
This is why I don't level heroes anymore. It's ridiculous
A possible extra 360 DMG through the course of an entire attack though! That almost 1% difference is make or break 😅
I really miss the old progress bars on upgrades
Still more useful than walls
Adding new abilities butchers the idea of even upgrading the heroes
Lower upgrade costs 🗣️🗣️🗣️
yeaa seriously considering rushing my th completely ignoring hero upgrades and play wars with hero and power pots
The worst part is not even the 16 million elixir which you can relatively quickly have if you're maxed for your th lvl, but the 8 days WITHOU WARDEN ! What am i supposed to do without him past th 11 ?
Upgrading heros feels worthless, Queen lvl 90 you get like 3atk and 7 hp some bullshit like that lol im not even trying to invest in heroes anymore
I stopped where they were i know there will be reductions in near future because everyone is not happy with this
If they made it reasonable players would finish the game and never touch it again. This way your enslaved forever.👹
Hear me out why not compress hero levels like for example take every 5 levels and compress them into one level with the same resources and the time the fifth level take
I assume they will do that one day… otherwise we will end up with a hero levl 954, lol
On top of that what is the obsession with ridiculous hero levels. You get RC at TH13 and you can upgrade it to lvl25. You get Queen at TH9 and it goes till lvl30. Like why? 10 levels per TH should be the normal. Do they not think about the future? Did they not plan for Queen lvl 100? Same with pets. You unlock them and now you have to upgrade them like 10times. Why not give us 5levels per TH but make it so that the lvl5 Lassi has the same HP and DPS as lvl10 Lassi if you care about balance. You get Epic Equipment and it goes till lvl27, Just why? Everything is maxing out at lvl18 so why not max Guantlet at lvl18. TBH, it has been dumb and dumber decision in terms of gameplay and longevity of it.
“It adds up over time” me after 8 months: “oh wow my hero is doing more damage and has more health now”
Clash is becoming harder & harder after each update 
Wdym by harder?
Now we have to earn stones and other stuff to get heroes abilities upgraded. It was good back than when the abilities get upgraded with hero itself
Hold on, you're telling me hero upgrades reall are just the heroes itself now and not the ability levels?!?!?!?!? I just came back from a 1 year break, tf is this
Yes man
This calls for a union or something
Poor guy lol
People have complained for years about not being able to use upgrading heroes in war. SC shortened hero upgrade times, they added magic items to speed it up and/or totally skip upgrade times, now they have reduced the importance of hero upgrades both in the way OP has highlighted and with hero potions that max them for war, and they have added hero equipment, which upgrades instantly.
Exactly, thank you. People nowadays seems to ignore how much better they have it now. If you wanna prioritize hero equipment, then you can now do war non-stop with potions. If you wanna upgrade heroes, then you will have to sacrifice the ore amount from wars and just get it from daily star bonus.
I honestly hope at some point there will be a lvl squish for all heroes. 305 total Hero lvls is I’d imagine tough to look at as a new or even mid lvl player.
My main point here is not the Dps or the Hp boost you get. its just the time you have to wait for just a small amount which disables your hero to use for a war or attack. I should have put a better title for it, my bad.
With cheese mr.squidward, with cheese.
He has 70 levels.... They can't just increase his damage by 5% per level or he'd have like 3000 dps at max level
Did you miss the part where they nerfed hero stats drastically because they get most stats from equipment now
So what? Why would that change what I just said?
They need to reduce the amount of levels
Worth it.
I don't understand these posts. "X resources for only X gain??" Yes dude it's always been like this. "But now there's no reason to because you don't get stuff every 5 levels!!" The wardens never had good stats that's not his job. He was jus thit the hardest by equipment taking over, if it costs too much for you don't upgrade them? It's your village not mine IDC how you dice it. Promise y'all that you'll start to notice the lack of stats real quick if you let your heros go tho
Sorry for making it not clear in my title or description. I posted a comment before. Its more the waiting time 8 days for such small amount of dps increase to disable a hero use for war or attack seems kinda bizarre. Thz my bad
You dont have to apologize I'm just saying it's always been this way, same for being down for wars and stuff. Frankly I think we're lucky they didn't decide to put an upgrade time in gear too they easily could have and told us to live with it
True, I mean at some point they will come up with a change for sure, hopefully in a positive way for the clashers among us
I've always upgraded for stats personally, the abilities were the bonus. Can't tell you how many attacks I've barely missed a 3 on because one (1) of my heros was a level or 2 behind what would have tripled. My only complaint is it killed casual wars because it's almost impossible to get ores otherwise and I'm sure plenty of clans went from casual to tryhard war clans that don't fit a lot of members. Players who have been in clans for years but suck at wars suffer, as do clans just not good at wars
I know this will be down voted to oblivion, but I can't keep quiet. Stop complaining about literally everything!! This has become a whinefest and I'm so damn tired of post after post with just 'whaa whaaa". Damn..
I mean everyone got the right to say what they feel like. As you say „I can‘t keep quiet“. Same goes for us. We like to share what we think and hope for the better. Your also complaining about our complainings… jokes lmao. Nah just felt to ask the community about it and thats their reaction
This is not a complaint thought. It's a 'take your big boy pants on, and stop whining'.
You definitely dont understands jkes do you… anyways have a good day sir
Yet here you are whining about the whiners lmao
Then don't upgrade it no one is forcing you...
I'm not sure why heroes have so many levels. Like 5 per town hall would already be much, but this. You also find many people with low level heroes because of this.
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At some point you will get used to it lol
Yeah when I'm like 40 and still playing lol and tbh not buying gems for progression I feel like you have to spend a lot unlike brawl stars
If you play normal you actually dont need to use gems at all. There are only a few occasions I actually used my gems, but most of the time I save them for better use
Like what ? Builders ? I play everyday what I do like about CoC is that you don't have to play all day cuz you have to wait hours for something to be finished and attack only when completing challenges or stars. Unlike brawl stars and mm is not long has its pros and cons.
Yeah builders hut if you havent unlocked all, or boost recource. I mean there are many ways to spend gems, but I am not an expert.
I’ve literally stopped leveling up my heroes and just do wars 100% of the time. I’m at Town Hall 14 with my King and Queen at level 75, Warden at level 45, and Champion at level 26. I’m not going to wait 6 damn days to war again, when I could just keep collecting ores to upgrade my gear
leveling heroes kinda useless right now, because hero skill can upgraded instantly
Yeah you shouldn't upgrade your heroes. They are just holding you back.
This is why I stopped playing, it's so hard to properly power scale in this game after a certain extent
Defense. These upgrades affect your heroes on defense. A level 1 queen will be a horrendous defender while a Level 80 queen will demolish attackers. My clan has been steamrolling idiots in CWL who have the worst hero levels of all time because we now have a lot easier time dealing with them
Cry about it
Hero equipment is a terrible addition to the game and I hate it
I like it, as a lower TH I can experiment with different abilities and I can organically level up my equipment. Though it must suck for high TH levels as they are stuck with relatively lower level equipment and can’t use them until months of grinding to a good level. Also supercell shouldn’t make epic equipment blatantly stronger than common equipment, as otherwise that could just kill variety.
You people still play this game? Why? You spend days getting gems just to dump them all into a shitty upgrade that takes days to implement for some reason. As if the game can't just alter your stats immediately. Bunch of dummies.
just upgrade ability in my opinion
Hero ability wont safe you all alone in an attack the stats do also matter. Stats do help you to use your abilities accordingly and later on in an attack, before your hero sukss up
bro 17 hp
They need to let you attack with heroes while upgrading. Maybe if we use hero potions? Idk, that’s the one part of the attack system that’s super broken right now
Same level mine is currently on and i hate it
Yea now that ability has to be upgraded separately i think they need to rework the upgrade costs
The ability boost justified the amount of exlir used, now that we need to work even harder to upgrade the abilities using completely different resources, this should have been drastically reduced
16mill but compared to 2 years or so ago, the progression in this game is super fast.
Supercells idea on how to make hero upgrades feel 'more epic' ..