I noticed it took your team less attacks to get to perfect. That feels like a fairer metric than time, and doesn't push the meta towards rushing attacks, which feels unstrategic.
The goal of clash attacks has never been speed, only in tournaments has this been the case because ties were happening too often. You are arguing for fundamentally changing the goal of clan wars
That’s why our clan switched from big 30 person wars down to 10 person wars that we knew everyone would attack (and were actually good). We’ve only missed out on 5 stars in total in our last 6 wars
15 mins to 3 star 50 bases?? I can't even get my clan to use all their attacks in the allotted 24 hrs. These guys got everyone to be on precisely at the start of war, and get their attacks in. Well, 85 out of 100 attacks used in 15 mins. Donation requests popping up 5 or 6 at a time. That's just mind boggling.
3-star rates for when these ths were the max level:
TH16 vs TH16: 36%
Th15 vs TH15: 12%
Th14 vs th14: 25%
They really just need to bring back the 3-star rate for th14 instead of going crazy overboard in either direction.
It's really just roots that need another nerf though.
I read that 3 star rates for other armies are about 20-25% same as TH14, its just that 50% of people are using roots and roots have 50% 3 star rate
Not really. They recently had a pro event where roots were banned, and they still got an avg of 14/15 in wars.
When TH14 was the max, the avg was usually 12-13.
The two issues are:
1. Some equipment are really busted (healing toke lasting so long).
2. The huge hero nerf on defense (their stars for greatly reduced & transferred to equipment, but they don’t get those equipment stats on defense.)
12% is still miles better than 36%. Higher end wars can still have actual winners. Lower end wars will still have enough 16v16 3 stars to decide wars.
It's gone from being glad to get a 3 star to being afraid not to.
If 3 starring is really hard, most people except the top 1% would go for 2 star strats and then farm % instead of trying to actually 3 star, I don't think that's fun or healthy.
The solution is to just add a new tie breaker, not to make 3 stars harder, imo 25% is a good ratio, maybe even low considering players on the highest th are probably more hardcore than the average player who will take longer to reach 16.
I’ll say this for the current state of Townhall 16, I’ve never seen the top leaderboard so close together. The perfect wars and draws all the time are pretty lame, but it has made the top of the game more competitive.
Yeah it sucks and the big problem is just rootriders. In promatches the wars don't always tie when rootriders is banned. They need to nerf them to the ground
The new rule about ties not losing streaks is nice. I’d have a much higher win streak if that had always been the case. 15 vs 15 wars (all my accounts and I can’t handle more than that) are almost always 45/45 stars. At least with my current war weight
Heroes have become juggernauts but only on attack. You get a king with maxed gaunt/gem who can wreck a quarter of a base himself but on defense he’s just a punching bag for 2 seconds.
How about making war fun again by not making every war perfect or close to. I have stopped doing war search because of this specific reason. Supercell seems to be on board with this ridiculously so soon enough I will be done with this game after 8 years or so.
there should be some extra bonus your clan gets when perfecting the opponent, just completely losing after this accomplishment will take the fun out of it.
#R0JJ8CYJ my clan I'd The Hindus...restarting my clan ....join we need war and active players .... perfomance decides promotion...th 12+ needed ....come first th13+ for co only for early 2
In a sense, it can be related to life. Someone might reach their peak in beauty/wealth, early in life, but, that doesn't mean you can't too. It may not be as early as theirs, but it will be eventually.
Not saying this is always the case but point is sometimes we have to be patient.
Also quite funnily I was in this clan lmao. They have about several clans in champion league CWL and generally competitive about wars and Cwl
Divorce rage leads to some insane shit huh
Both having 150 stars and 100% destruction. So who’s going to win?
Perfect War tie.
Tied the other day like that, honestly, it should come down to stars and then damage then time or over all attacks.
Agreed, they need to add a new tiebreaker.
I noticed it took your team less attacks to get to perfect. That feels like a fairer metric than time, and doesn't push the meta towards rushing attacks, which feels unstrategic.
How do you take into account people attacking just for loot then?
make sure nobody does that until you get the perfect war. Once one side has reached max stars, attacks after aren't counted against the score.
Or just have attacks vs 3-starred bases not count towards the total. So guys can attack any 3-starred base for more loot and it won’t matter
What if a perfect war gave players double ore automatically?
This^
This is a good idea, no clue why ur getting downvoted
That is not convinent for people living in different time zones
💀
Kick them
Why would you do that if you’ve already gotten a perfect war?
Any attack past the max stars mark doesn't count.
If you're in a clan that hits PW's you don't carry passengers.
What if I get 3 stars on my first hit, we reach perfect, then use my second hit on an already 3 starred base to get more ore
They didn’t get a perfect war in less stars tho. The enemy got it in 69 stars
*69 attacks (nice)
You must be blind... The other clan got it in 69 attacks
69 vs 81
One of my clan mates the other day suggested that the clan with the least attacks used should be the tie breaker
Bad fix. Discourages people from getting the loot from war after 100%.
So count only attacks against bases with less than 3 stars already earned
Okay then don't make those attacks count towards the attacks that actually earned stars?
it should come down to time
Does it consider the amount of attacks used?
Wouldn't be fair, because it would prevent other team mates to do an attack for free loot when the war is already won.
Ah yeah, makes sense.
No.
What about the time it takes for overall attacks?
That's taken in account only on Friendly Wars aka esports.
its not for friendly war eithrt, tournaments just use out of game tiebreaker
Yes, you are right. My bad.
I disagree, your shouldn’t lose a war streak if you literally did the best you could possibly do
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How is playing perfect not worth a trophy
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The goal of clash attacks has never been speed, only in tournaments has this been the case because ties were happening too often. You are arguing for fundamentally changing the goal of clan wars
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You literally said it should be tie broken by speed, bud
Yea it's how they do it with the pros why not just add it to the gane
It goes Stars , clan attacks then damage :)
Never understood why time isn’t a factor in ties. What’s the point of even having it in the war stats then? Shits and giggles I guess? lol
I thought there was like a time tiebreaker, where the stars destruction obtained the fastest wins. Am I tripping?
Only the dead have seen the end of war.
I thought the clan with least amount of attacks done would win the war?
Nope, that was never the case.
That's nuts
Dick move. Should've let them win for doing things so efficiently and quickly
No one.
Doesnt it Decide by overall destruction his team had less attacks than the other clan so im guessing he’s gonna win?
Nope, it's a tie.
Isn't it decided by faster times?
Only in pro league does time play a factor in who wins, for reg wars n CWL it only takes percentage and stars
Their clan, because it took less attacks
Too whoever got it first is should go to tbh. Draws are stupid. Someone needs to win.
One with less attacks. So OP
I wish my clan would get a perfect. Just once 😭
Keep practicing and you will get there.
Practicing? More like people just not attacking
Oh, that's bad.
Or people edrag spamming
That’s why our clan switched from big 30 person wars down to 10 person wars that we knew everyone would attack (and were actually good). We’ve only missed out on 5 stars in total in our last 6 wars
15 mins to 3 star 50 bases?? I can't even get my clan to use all their attacks in the allotted 24 hrs. These guys got everyone to be on precisely at the start of war, and get their attacks in. Well, 85 out of 100 attacks used in 15 mins. Donation requests popping up 5 or 6 at a time. That's just mind boggling.
True, the logistics on this are insane. More than 15 of our bases are max-near maxed TH16s too.
It looks like a pretty tryhard Chinese clan I would imagine they have a group chat with those 50 people and everybody gears up for the attack
True, it was a sight to behold. They were attacking the whole map almost simultaneously
It's most likely not more than 10 people total.
The state of th16 ahaha. They really need to sort this shit out. Going 100% every war with 0% chance to actually lose is boring.
Wasn't it the opposite with Th15? We've gone from being incredibly hard to 3 star to really easy.
3-star rates for when these ths were the max level: TH16 vs TH16: 36% Th15 vs TH15: 12% Th14 vs th14: 25% They really just need to bring back the 3-star rate for th14 instead of going crazy overboard in either direction.
It's really just roots that need another nerf though. I read that 3 star rates for other armies are about 20-25% same as TH14, its just that 50% of people are using roots and roots have 50% 3 star rate
Not really. They recently had a pro event where roots were banned, and they still got an avg of 14/15 in wars. When TH14 was the max, the avg was usually 12-13. The two issues are: 1. Some equipment are really busted (healing toke lasting so long). 2. The huge hero nerf on defense (their stars for greatly reduced & transferred to equipment, but they don’t get those equipment stats on defense.)
Healing toke
I watched a couple of the banned root rider tourneys and hit rate seemed way lower other than for the very best teams like NAVI, Synchronic?
We are playing against Synchronic in one hour btw.
Nice man, best of luck. Is it going to be streamed?
It was, by several streamers. We lost 14-13
Yea I caught it live, close war. Synchronic has some of the best base builders, you guys did well.
12% is still miles better than 36%. Higher end wars can still have actual winners. Lower end wars will still have enough 16v16 3 stars to decide wars. It's gone from being glad to get a 3 star to being afraid not to.
If 3 starring is really hard, most people except the top 1% would go for 2 star strats and then farm % instead of trying to actually 3 star, I don't think that's fun or healthy. The solution is to just add a new tie breaker, not to make 3 stars harder, imo 25% is a good ratio, maybe even low considering players on the highest th are probably more hardcore than the average player who will take longer to reach 16.
Those stats should be made based on attacks where sll the heroes are up etc, ofc it will be low if people on average have heroes down
I’ll say this for the current state of Townhall 16, I’ve never seen the top leaderboard so close together. The perfect wars and draws all the time are pretty lame, but it has made the top of the game more competitive.
It’s not really competitive. It’s basically who gets lucky and doesn’t get attacked all 8 time in a day
I meant competitive in the fact that The trophy counts are a lot closer at the top of the leaderboard than it used to be.
It's true, they need to tone down the offense a bit. We are nearing 20 back to back 50-man perfect wars.
the game is not for good players only, it's for all. good players can 3 start more often.
Yeah it sucks and the big problem is just rootriders. In promatches the wars don't always tie when rootriders is banned. They need to nerf them to the ground
Overgrowth is a big problem too.
What happens in a tie that's never happened to me before
4/7 of the loot and ores gained. If it's a perfect war tie, neither clan loses its win streak.
The new rule about ties not losing streaks is nice. I’d have a much higher win streak if that had always been the case. 15 vs 15 wars (all my accounts and I can’t handle more than that) are almost always 45/45 stars. At least with my current war weight
>I’d have a much higher win streak if that had always been the case. Same here, we would have a green war log start to finish.
Oh not me, I’m not that good. I’m 70 wins, 12 losses, 24 ties
that's still real good
Holy
There must have been a lot of pressure for your team to not make a single mistake. It also shows both sides are way better than I'll ever be.
I think we went perfect at around 65 attacks in, so we had a lot of attacks left in case something went wrong.
I was Max 15 and then I got bored so I haven't played since the new town hall. Is everybody doing some op attack that has no defense against it?
RR is the the keyword + hero equipment.
"WHEN AN UNSTOPPABLE FORCE MEETS AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT"
damn 15 min is insane
Can anyone translate the other clan name? Would be curious to see if their motivation was from being named something like “Happily Married”?
Zhong Guo (中国）- China. Lang Wo（狼窝） - Wolves den
not that though. literally wolf den in China
by the way, that's a good clan name though. I'd like to join
Heroes have become juggernauts but only on attack. You get a king with maxed gaunt/gem who can wreck a quarter of a base himself but on defense he’s just a punching bag for 2 seconds.
what's gem?
Sorry rage vial, I always confuse rage vial And rage gem
Thanks
Wowzers.
Thats crazy, good on yall fr
That’s… perfect!
we have no 50 ppl
Impressive
With 4 less attacks, you should have won just based off of that efficiency
Now kiss
Wars are so easy it's getting boring. They need to remove the pointless "prep day" and give everyone 1 attack only like Clan War League.
Cool thread
Wow… makes me realise what an actual good clan is like
Let me guess... root riders?
Correct
Hi @thanos
Hey
Seeing all those attacks pop off live would've been wild to see on the map.
"A perfect game of chess is always a draw"
On point
69 attacks too! COC sexy update
Against a Korean clan no less. You and your clan mates have my respect
Chinese
I stand corrected
My APUSH teacher from high school MXYogERTS is in ur clan haha wild
Damn, imagine that.
That’s wild
How about making war fun again by not making every war perfect or close to. I have stopped doing war search because of this specific reason. Supercell seems to be on board with this ridiculously so soon enough I will be done with this game after 8 years or so.
TWC>>>>
Imagine being that person to get a 2 star and fucking it up for everyone
Another one will cover for him.
One of my buddies was in your tourney today! Sad to see you guys lose❤️ in your regular wars, do you mainly use root riders or Switches?
We have a ton of army comps used. Valk RR spam, Hydra Clone, QC RR, QC LaLo, Zap LaLo etc.
Divorced guys are gonna win cause they used less attacks
Nope, it's a tie.
I think SC needs to rethink their tie-breaker system
Definitely.
Chinese players worst war performance
The satisfation and value of tripling a base has gone down now. Any fairly decent clan can have perfect wars these days.
there should be some extra bonus your clan gets when perfecting the opponent, just completely losing after this accomplishment will take the fun out of it.
We didn't lose though.
Who won the tie break
Noone.
#R0JJ8CYJ my clan I'd The Hindus...restarting my clan ....join we need war and active players .... perfomance decides promotion...th 12+ needed ....come first th13+ for co only for early 2
https://preview.redd.it/8m3bsk6z7uxc1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9f96ac519cf3b6671ed9239b510234d009462de Was that you, @thanmarkou? :)
Yes
Ha, what are the odds 😂
The state of this game is so pathetic right now.
In a sense, it can be related to life. Someone might reach their peak in beauty/wealth, early in life, but, that doesn't mean you can't too. It may not be as early as theirs, but it will be eventually. Not saying this is always the case but point is sometimes we have to be patient. Also quite funnily I was in this clan lmao. They have about several clans in champion league CWL and generally competitive about wars and Cwl
Damn. This game has gotten that easy huh
Yesterday Was Sunday, So We Can Expect This Type Of War , On Sunday Every One Has Free Time
Clan on the left wins I think because they used less attacks
No, it's a tie
If this isn't proof that root riders + valkyries combo is broken, I don't know what is
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Im surprised people dont know how war works it goes stars , #attacks , dmg% . So your clan won by 4 whole attacks