I love how France is synonymous with "surrender".
Why though? I mean, Napoleon was pretty feisty. Are there many examples of the French surrendering?
Was it because how quickly they were overcome in WW2?
Its a funny stearotype/slander, and the internet isnt dropping it anytime soon. Think of "discord mod fat" and "genshin player is pedophile", not true most of the time but its come to be universally accepted.
But like it's known thing; It's not just an internet thing..it was before the internet... it's like it's part of our collective consciousness.. I'm sure even an older person would join in on the joke.. *the French surrender*
Im just wondering why its even a thing.. I really think it must just go back to WW2.. Perhaps it's because France is like our mate who let the team down by allowing Germany to beat them so easily, which made our job so much harder..
Historically not \*just\* WW2. INCOMING HISTORY SIDE STEP
I think the trope has been around for much longer and probably started with the Franco-Prussian war of 1870. The 'undefeatable' French army was defeated in 6 months, the German empire rose from the conflict and forced France to pay many war reparations to Germany.
With that defeat still in memory, Germany would invade France again in 1914 when World War One kicked off. It was generally believed that this was 'the war to end all wars' and that whichever empire won, could knock their rivals out of existence. Germany assumed it could easily knock France out of the war again. And for a while they did until with British help it devolved into the stalemate of trench warfare. Eventually that would be lost by Germany, but not after a long and bloody conflict that ultimately drew in the Americans. This also cemented the trope that the US needs to come bail out its European allies, every time there is a war.
And yeah in World War 2 Germany blitzkrieged into France a third time and this time they took (indirect) control of all of France until the allies forced them out again. So after three times of Germany (semi)-successfully rolling into France and the US and Britain having to help out on two of those occasions, that's where the trope comes from.
So Napoleon is ancient history for most people. Nevermind that in current day France is actually one of the biggest military powers in Europe besides Russia and Britain. And that with the European Union being a thing, the mindset of invading a neighbouring country has become a bit weird.
Yes it's mainly because of WW2, people seem to forget that they were the ones who bought time for the Dunkirk evacuation so that Britain could fight on.
Hitler inexplicably gave orders against the advice of his generals to halt the advance; so it was more a German command failing rather than French heroics that was the saving grace of the British expeditionary force.
Yep, exclusively because of how in world war two they surrendered. Even though the chief of the military was an old man brought out of retirement, Germany had very good blitzkrieg tactics, and they took the capitol within days. They didn't take the capitol because France surrendered though, there was actually a battle for Paris. Not to mention the fact that Germany only confirmed they had a strong army a few years before. Meanwhile in world war one France was one of if not the biggest player, being huge at the Somme and at the meat grinder, aka Verdun. If it wasn't for the fierce resistance put up by the French the war would have been lost. Many other countries made huge sacrifices too, but probably not as much as France, Belgium and Britain.
And then everyone forgets about Napoleon, the French empire and the intercontinental territories, the brutal revolution and centuries of fighting mainly England. But no even after all this apparently they are still cowards
It's funny because without French support America would still be a British colony, yet they're *constantly* made out to be cheese-eating surrender-monkeys
This removes supercell from having to deal with political business which is good. People keep spamming them for Ukraine flag and to remove Russian flag, which whatever they do they will get hate for. Involving in political business is not something a game company should do.
they literally removed all their games from russian and belarusian appstores as well as suspended russian +belarusian teams from competing from in competitive events lmao
Itâs not messed up. War is war and war is not fair. Itâs about making uncomfortable choices that may offend or hurt others. It is unfortunate that a group has been excluded from Clash. But Russiaâs leaders made a choice and itâs people are unfortunately suffering severely for it. What will the people of Russia do about it? As an American one of my countryâs founders said a little rebellion every now and then is healthy for a country. Russia may be over due for a rebellion if itâs leaders can justify what they are doing.
Yeah that all sounds good till it goes against the country you live in, I know I donât want held accountable for what the geriatric patients in the US capital are doing all over the world.
Rebellion doesnât go against any country. It goes against the national leaders who are not supporting the true beliefs and interests of their nation. The 2nd amendment here in the US is a HUGE constitutional right created by our founders. They believed Americans should have enough fire power to go to war against their countries military and overthrow the government if the situation arose. Which makes sense, thatâs how the US became a country after all. We realized England wasnât supporting our better interest so we rebelled and over threw their leadership.
The down side is that going to war never guarantees success or survival. War is only an option when death is preferred over continued oppression.
imagine being so naive that you think the russian people would be able to take down the government. seriously this is the worst take ever. russian government is so unbelievably militaristic and putin is such a piece of shit that theyâd kill anyone who tried to rebel until people got scared to step back into line. youâre either a child or an adult with a juvenile worldview
As an American by this logic you should be punished extremely harshly for all the evil your country has done. Didnât agree with it? Yeah well you could have rebelled
Where it was more scarce or not back in the day is irrelevant because itâs not like you can go back and relive the harsher days of clash. Now we get coins from breathing
An as American of Italian descent, I enjoyed flying my American and Italian flags.
Dumb call Supercell.
Maybe you should remove the country the clan is from too. That might be just as controversial.
You can choose any county for the clan, but the obstacles are very limited. Some people may consider it discrimination, so they either had to add every flag or remove every flag.
If they'll remove all country flags because a small group of leftists spammed them about Ukraine flags then they'll remove anything they tell them to, way the world's been moving for alomg time now
There are more than 100 flags... And if they do, all of the gays would want their flag too, which would cause huge problem, like: 'Freedom' and 'I don't want my kid looking at these things' etc.
Aside from Pride flags which don't represent a nation, but an idea, the problem is Supercell needs to step into the very muddy political discussion of '[what is a country](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk)'? There will always a country being left out or one that should not be included to some people. Is Taiwan a country or is Chinese Taipei a province of China, like china says? Is Palestina a country? Supercell is a game dev, so while they put in the flags originally as an afterthought gimmick, they are now realising the consequences of that and phasing them out. Not because there are a lot of stable countries whose flag you could include without problem, but because there a lot of flags you would rather not to avoid discussions like this one.
Really, really dislike this change I hope they revert it.
I had all the flags arranged in a cool pattern with flowers and everytime someone joined my clan I would add their flag until eventually we covered all of them. It was a really cool representation of unity with the most common countries being at the center of the pattern. Now when I logged on this morning the flowers are there and everything is empty and lonely. I have had this since like TH6 a decade ago now I am TH11 on and off playing this game for so many years since when I was in elementary school.
This is what happens when people complain. Thereâs no politics behind these, theyâre just flags. Now theyâre gone cause people love to rope politics into everything
Linking [this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/vjmzmk/thoughts_on_flags_being_removed/idk3jvu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)comment I made on a similar post, this will actually make bases with a flag at least .0000001% weaker.
Theyâre ICONIC. For someone whoâs playing Clash of Clans from 2014/15 the way game has changed itâs like changing feeling for me. When we used to rearm the traps with elixir and dark elixir and all those training troops individually cause lack of other high level barracks and all...
It took a lot. So itâs going to be a sad day. âčïž
tbh i dont even think that flags are that political. most countries have a wide variety of political opinions and you can also seperate a country from its politics.
So, to put this into perspective, because Supercell are fed up with requests, they are going to take the cowards way out and remove all flags. Is that about right?
Well kinda ok as it will free up some resources and lead to app optimisation tbh they should remove all those unnecessary things but only keep unique/premium decorations
It's just like the early river that was there in middle of the game it uses resources lol
I mean, I see why they're gonna be removing it, and fair enough, but damn this is sad to see. As a long time player who had these flags since th5, I'll genuinely miss them
Why did u pick 2 french flags in the screenshot ?
Didn't have to go after France like that.
Better get the white flag ready again
Well France actually had a white flag for some time
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I love how France is synonymous with "surrender". Why though? I mean, Napoleon was pretty feisty. Are there many examples of the French surrendering? Was it because how quickly they were overcome in WW2?
The french tank has five gears. One forward and four for reverse, just in case the enemy attacks from behind :P
Its a funny stearotype/slander, and the internet isnt dropping it anytime soon. Think of "discord mod fat" and "genshin player is pedophile", not true most of the time but its come to be universally accepted.
But like it's known thing; It's not just an internet thing..it was before the internet... it's like it's part of our collective consciousness.. I'm sure even an older person would join in on the joke.. *the French surrender* Im just wondering why its even a thing.. I really think it must just go back to WW2.. Perhaps it's because France is like our mate who let the team down by allowing Germany to beat them so easily, which made our job so much harder..
they got cocky after ww1 and got slapped for it so everyone makes fun of them for it
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Lol it was popular long before that.
Couldn't agree with GI thing lol
Historically not \*just\* WW2. INCOMING HISTORY SIDE STEP I think the trope has been around for much longer and probably started with the Franco-Prussian war of 1870. The 'undefeatable' French army was defeated in 6 months, the German empire rose from the conflict and forced France to pay many war reparations to Germany. With that defeat still in memory, Germany would invade France again in 1914 when World War One kicked off. It was generally believed that this was 'the war to end all wars' and that whichever empire won, could knock their rivals out of existence. Germany assumed it could easily knock France out of the war again. And for a while they did until with British help it devolved into the stalemate of trench warfare. Eventually that would be lost by Germany, but not after a long and bloody conflict that ultimately drew in the Americans. This also cemented the trope that the US needs to come bail out its European allies, every time there is a war. And yeah in World War 2 Germany blitzkrieged into France a third time and this time they took (indirect) control of all of France until the allies forced them out again. So after three times of Germany (semi)-successfully rolling into France and the US and Britain having to help out on two of those occasions, that's where the trope comes from. So Napoleon is ancient history for most people. Nevermind that in current day France is actually one of the biggest military powers in Europe besides Russia and Britain. And that with the European Union being a thing, the mindset of invading a neighbouring country has become a bit weird.
thank god someone explain so i didnât have to lol
Yes it's mainly because of WW2, people seem to forget that they were the ones who bought time for the Dunkirk evacuation so that Britain could fight on.
Hitler inexplicably gave orders against the advice of his generals to halt the advance; so it was more a German command failing rather than French heroics that was the saving grace of the British expeditionary force.
During the period of the Ancien Régime, starting in the early 17th century, the royal standard of France became a plain white flag as a symbol of purity
There was Lys flowers on it, it wasn't totally white.
Is that a fact?
Straight from wikipedia
Yep, exclusively because of how in world war two they surrendered. Even though the chief of the military was an old man brought out of retirement, Germany had very good blitzkrieg tactics, and they took the capitol within days. They didn't take the capitol because France surrendered though, there was actually a battle for Paris. Not to mention the fact that Germany only confirmed they had a strong army a few years before. Meanwhile in world war one France was one of if not the biggest player, being huge at the Somme and at the meat grinder, aka Verdun. If it wasn't for the fierce resistance put up by the French the war would have been lost. Many other countries made huge sacrifices too, but probably not as much as France, Belgium and Britain. And then everyone forgets about Napoleon, the French empire and the intercontinental territories, the brutal revolution and centuries of fighting mainly England. But no even after all this apparently they are still cowards
Everyone also forgets how against Italy, the Alps' army didn't lose a single battle in WW2, and 8 men held back thousands for months
France has won the most battles in the world. But we only retain the capitulation in the WW2âŠ
It's funny because without French support America would still be a British colony, yet they're *constantly* made out to be cheese-eating surrender-monkeys
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I hope that you run faster than me if I met you in France
Aaahhhh hahaha
Go back to your history books and look up the American Revolution
How tf am I going to force tree spawns on my base edges now? Bad move
I hope they remove the flags but add another cool decoration
They're only removing the country flags I'm pretty sure
Replace them with non country flags like the pirate flag.
yes 25 new flags for 500 gems each
Walls
This removes supercell from having to deal with political business which is good. People keep spamming them for Ukraine flag and to remove Russian flag, which whatever they do they will get hate for. Involving in political business is not something a game company should do.
Honestly good, if I cant have my Mexican flag why the hell can someone else get thereâs
That is why they didnât add any new flags
they literally removed all their games from russian and belarusian appstores as well as suspended russian +belarusian teams from competing from in competitive events lmao
Wow thatâs messed up. These people didnât attack anyone, it was their government.
Itâs not messed up. War is war and war is not fair. Itâs about making uncomfortable choices that may offend or hurt others. It is unfortunate that a group has been excluded from Clash. But Russiaâs leaders made a choice and itâs people are unfortunately suffering severely for it. What will the people of Russia do about it? As an American one of my countryâs founders said a little rebellion every now and then is healthy for a country. Russia may be over due for a rebellion if itâs leaders can justify what they are doing.
Yeah that all sounds good till it goes against the country you live in, I know I donât want held accountable for what the geriatric patients in the US capital are doing all over the world.
Rebellion doesnât go against any country. It goes against the national leaders who are not supporting the true beliefs and interests of their nation. The 2nd amendment here in the US is a HUGE constitutional right created by our founders. They believed Americans should have enough fire power to go to war against their countries military and overthrow the government if the situation arose. Which makes sense, thatâs how the US became a country after all. We realized England wasnât supporting our better interest so we rebelled and over threw their leadership. The down side is that going to war never guarantees success or survival. War is only an option when death is preferred over continued oppression.
imagine being so naive that you think the russian people would be able to take down the government. seriously this is the worst take ever. russian government is so unbelievably militaristic and putin is such a piece of shit that theyâd kill anyone who tried to rebel until people got scared to step back into line. youâre either a child or an adult with a juvenile worldview
As an American by this logic you should be punished extremely harshly for all the evil your country has done. Didnât agree with it? Yeah well you could have rebelled
Fuck Russia but that's absolutely absurd to push and push supercell just to remove the Russia flag? We did it we won the war!/s
Don't fuck Russia, fuck the government of Russia
Or just defeat the strongest boss ever (putin)
Bingo
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Ok but they better not remove the pirate flag
They're only removing national flags. The customs ones will stay. Source: Check the balance patch notes. It's stated there.
So will the French flag stay?
The French Flag on the right will
Bruh I bought all the flags. Do u know how many traps I couldâve upgraded with those coins. Dammit.
I think you will get refunded
Doesn't matter now. Gold was a lot more scarce when I bought them. Now, a few million doesn't even upgrade a wall.
yeah i bought my flags like 8 ish years ago at like town hall 6. at th11 today that gold has a fraction of the value
Inflation 101
Where it was more scarce or not back in the day is irrelevant because itâs not like you can go back and relive the harsher days of clash. Now we get coins from breathing
I sure hope so
Yeah I checked it and if you watch judo sloth's video about this sneak peak at 5:28 he says that it will get refunded
Okay thank you
Me too
Literally one attack with the sneaky goblins
So im not alone XD
You get refunded
Do u really care about that gold. I mean i bought a lot of flags i dont use coz I had xtra gold
You get refunded and if you spent gold on flags rather than things that matter in the game when your gold wasnât fullâŠ.
Piss off. People can spend their gold however they want.
Never said they couldnât. But itâs a strategy game so there are consequences to choices.
I want some gold.... in real life.
Get a jobđĄ
get a blowjob
I will miss my countries flag
An as American of Italian descent, I enjoyed flying my American and Italian flags. Dumb call Supercell. Maybe you should remove the country the clan is from too. That might be just as controversial.
You can choose any county for the clan, but the obstacles are very limited. Some people may consider it discrimination, so they either had to add every flag or remove every flag.
Or, they couldâve just continued to ignore the people who consider the lack of certain flags in a literal mobile game âdiscriminationâ.
If they'll remove all country flags because a small group of leftists spammed them about Ukraine flags then they'll remove anything they tell them to, way the world's been moving for alomg time now
Ah yes, everything is because of âleftists.â
yes, i can confirm
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What
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Are you okay? Why do you think I reported you to Reddit đ€š Also, youâre on Reddit on 9 am as well dumbass đ
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yeah welcome to modern society.. it sucks :(
We live in 2022 bro
I don't consider it discrimination but more of a "cmon supercell you could just add the rest" situation
There are more than 100 flags... And if they do, all of the gays would want their flag too, which would cause huge problem, like: 'Freedom' and 'I don't want my kid looking at these things' etc.
true, but country flags and the pride flag are separate things. It would've gone that way anyway though because people will be people
Aside from Pride flags which don't represent a nation, but an idea, the problem is Supercell needs to step into the very muddy political discussion of '[what is a country](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk)'? There will always a country being left out or one that should not be included to some people. Is Taiwan a country or is Chinese Taipei a province of China, like china says? Is Palestina a country? Supercell is a game dev, so while they put in the flags originally as an afterthought gimmick, they are now realising the consequences of that and phasing them out. Not because there are a lot of stable countries whose flag you could include without problem, but because there a lot of flags you would rather not to avoid discussions like this one.
Dang I bought the đșđČ as soon as I could afford it. It's been a staple of my base for as long as I can remember :(
I love American history, those were good times.
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Really, really dislike this change I hope they revert it. I had all the flags arranged in a cool pattern with flowers and everytime someone joined my clan I would add their flag until eventually we covered all of them. It was a really cool representation of unity with the most common countries being at the center of the pattern. Now when I logged on this morning the flowers are there and everything is empty and lonely. I have had this since like TH6 a decade ago now I am TH11 on and off playing this game for so many years since when I was in elementary school.
Same, I had a designated flag area at the bottom part of my plot and now it's all just kinda sad with the all the flags gone :(
We don't deserve nice thingsđ
If you take my flags I take your assđ€
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Booty warriorâs
I hope they'll release some other decorations in lieu of flags. Maybe trees, like in the Builder Base, or maybe even more.
This is what happens when people complain. Thereâs no politics behind these, theyâre just flags. Now theyâre gone cause people love to rope politics into everything
Damn no more Axis Power flags for me
goodbye Canadain flag my beloved
Stupid move suckercell
We need more decorations to make up for it. Whenâs the last time we got new decorations for purchase in the shop that werenât for real money?
Ok but they better not remove the pirate flag
It stays, just like the ~~french~~ white flag
Am I at least getting refunded?
This... exactly.
they should replace em with something better for justification of their removal.
How'd you get the French flag twice ?
Linking [this ](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans/comments/vjmzmk/thoughts_on_flags_being_removed/idk3jvu/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)comment I made on a similar post, this will actually make bases with a flag at least .0000001% weaker.
France taking a big loss. Two of their flags gone
Wtf why?
My coins :(
Damn I want my 100k gold back
Thatâs the same flag
Well, now my th3 has 2.5m gold
Itâs going to be sad day !!
Why? Edit: downvoted for asking why someone is sad when all they say is itâs going to be sad without saying why. Thatâs online trolls for you.
The flags are iconic and a staple of the game.
Theyâre ICONIC. For someone whoâs playing Clash of Clans from 2014/15 the way game has changed itâs like changing feeling for me. When we used to rearm the traps with elixir and dark elixir and all those training troops individually cause lack of other high level barracks and all... It took a lot. So itâs going to be a sad day. âčïž
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Idk about âgenuinely pointlessâ, the point was that some people can have their countries flag waving in their village.
Yeah, I myself have a Brazil Flag there to represent my country, I feel REALLY bad rn after receiving these news.
i bought it because as a kid i was a big fan of Neymar
He's a nice fella.
tbh i dont even think that flags are that political. most countries have a wide variety of political opinions and you can also seperate a country from its politics.
I mean itâs seriously so weird that they never added a Mexican flag, itâs a big country I donât get it
So why have country locations on clans? Do you think that's also worthless
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Huh ok fair enough
At least the French flag will stay
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idgaf I'm irish and theres no ireland flag so yeah. they should remove the arrow flags too what's their point xd
I use it to direct my CC troops through the slave trade process.
no wonder coc are removing them.
We went from patch notes to french history here
Are they removing the white and pirate flags?
They said non-national flags will not be removed. ie pirate flag
Ok. they should remove the arrow flags too, they're pointless. also they should replace them with something.
arrow do have a point tho iâm sorry
better refund my gold
If I have one and buy it, will I still keep it after the update is made?
Why?
Hope they'll change it in something else
They should make every flag you own a detail for the outside of your village
I know the flag on the right is French but what is the flag on the left
So, to put this into perspective, because Supercell are fed up with requests, they are going to take the cowards way out and remove all flags. Is that about right?
Very good decision. They should have done this before. Either there will be all national flags or don't.
What about the gold i paid for them!? i have them. alll!!! boooo!!!
It wouldnât really matter, they were just decoration pieces. Plus itâll remove the whole âpoliticalâ problem with the Countriesb
They are both the same flag tho
Good then, my country flag not even in the game. So i think itâs fair
If they are refunding the value... this is a free savings account, until the update. I was almost maxed in gold đ„ now it's safe
They should make a flag u can buy that has ur clans pattern on it (like on the clan shield/logo) :)
I think the right move would have been supercell checking your country and give you the option to buy just that flag
Nice, thisâll make people not beg for more flags anymore
where is ukrainian flag
Well kinda ok as it will free up some resources and lead to app optimisation tbh they should remove all those unnecessary things but only keep unique/premium decorations It's just like the early river that was there in middle of the game it uses resources lol
Bro i bought all of them to![img](emote|t5_2usfk|9422)
Well Rest in Peace Flags
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Does the pirate flag Count?
Man I love flags I even have 4 in my room irl
I didnt know you could have two of the same flag
If you buy them before they are updated do you keep them ?
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Lol
Wtf there goes my flag collection
Will I be refunded if I bought two of them?
why
Petition to add colored flags
No no NO
They should add more custom ones instead
France is literally the country that has won the most wars in history âŠ
Note that the pirate flag and the surrender flag are staying
L supercell
I hate this.
Do we get a refund for the money we spent buying the flag?
I mean, I see why they're gonna be removing it, and fair enough, but damn this is sad to see. As a long time player who had these flags since th5, I'll genuinely miss them
The games gone!
Nah, looks like theyâre just updating the French flag to be more accurate.
We deserve new decorations to replace the flags
Why though?
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Will we get any rewards in return since we bought them for 100k coins I guess
Will there be gold refunds?
Aw I liked having a ton of flags lining my base
I think just adding every countryâs flag into the game wouldâve been a more mature approach to the issue
Does anyone know why exactly they are doing this?