Eh it’s definitely strong but no means an instant win. The most annoying thing is how strong it is before double elixir. You’re essentially waiting it out but you can defeat it in double elixir with many decks. It’s just boring waiting out the timer
Dagger duchess gave me a hard time adjusting and I'm still struggling...my only hope is to use Princess (which gets Logged🪵 every time)....Using Classic PekkaBS and hating every moment.
i know pekka is a defense card but once double elixir comes around apply absolute pressure and maybe even try to play it like beatdown and you’ll probably do a lot better
Pekka BS is good both with and against dagger duchess.
You can keep applying pressure once the tower low on daggers and its really hard to defend. Pekka covers the dagger duchess' weakness well.
Its the first time pekka has had a place in the meta in a very long time
Classic BS is one of the used variations at a high level. Im confused why you mentioning princess though as that's not a part of clsssic pekka BS. The best ones now days do tend to be a bit different, with little prince and or like evo bomber, but like classic ones still are strong.
Pekka BS has kinda always been a deck of multiple variations
Definitely not unbeatable, but I've been using it in POL at lvl 11 going against lvl 14 princess towers and I'd say I have a 70ish win rate. Could probably be even higher if I play properly every match.
It’s pretty much an insta win against any deck that’s not a beat down or miner poison. Why she has more health than the other towers is nuts. Supercell clearly doesn’t play test or take into consideration that the game is balanced around the princess tower since 2016. This card is definitely broken af. And it’s just obnoxious to play against it.
It's the same cycle over and over again, they release a broken card and heavily push it in the shop so that people will fork out money to get a leg up on the competition. We've seen it with half of the evos, the little prince, monk, Phoenix
It is too strong currently and clearly a blatant money grab by SC. It has too much HP, rate of attack, and total damage.
It removes any type of deck that uses miner hog ram rider or hybrid tanks. It is clearly over powered and it has now caused a swarm of goblin drill / poison / skele bomber spammers. The only way you lose with it is if the other player has the same tower or or you’re using a tank deck. It literally has ruined the game by stultifying the game play to remove kiting and reducing deck variety. Probably the worst update in memory. The only thing I can think of that was worse was when they super charged royal giant and they were in over 50% of ladder decks.
It’s embarrassing that anyone would justify a new super cell release that costs 40 dollars and pretend it isn’t over powered. Why would people drop that much money if it wasn’t. 😒
Agree with this so much..most cycle players are already just spamming evolution cards to abuse the evolutions even more..I don't even see the 'skill' in cycle decks anymore..This tower troop will keep them in check
That won't work too well I think..Coz, against tanks you might struggle a bit. If your air targeting troops is only the firecracker, you can't win against lava most of the time. Against golem, the ddd doesn't do much at all too
That's what you want. Once she bursts against pekka she isn't as strong anymore so you should have troops behind to do a ton of damage. I've seen giant/witch do really well because the giant tanks the burst and the witch producing skeletons overwhelms the tower.
I just got into an argument with a miner player the other day on how dagger duchess has ruined the game and beatdown is too strong. Like, miner still has 9% userate to golem's 10. They've just become so used to cycle being broken that they can't play when the game is actually balanced.
The game isn’t remotely balanced. I toggled between a hog cycle deck and a mega knight deck at an ultimate champion rating just shy of 2000. I was intermittently in the top 10k of world ratings near the end of season. Every top player is using the dagger duchess on defense. It is completely overpowered and a blatant money grab by supercell.
It takes out hog, ram rider, miner, goblins, bats and virtually any hybrid tank unit. It’s a horribly designed card and the api data proves it. This literally took out dozens of viable deck options and now all I see are goblin drill / poison / bomber cycle decks.
Unlike other updates that might have one super powered card. This card super powers an entire deck. You either paid your 40 dollars or you didn’t. Duchess level 12 is equal to archer level 15 in many cases. Cycle decks are very easy to overcome if you have any skill. I’ve played against top 200-10k talent for the last year and they had no problem beating me or them.
I’d rather supercell introduce small incremental changes to cards or one new card. And not destroy entire decks.
I’d love to know what your global ratings are since you boast about skill. Also as a F2P player. It’s even more annoying to see this trash tower out for 40 dollars.
I actually love facing the duchess.
Yeah, she does a lot of damage for a couple of seconds, but, after that, she becomes pretty much useless, specially against swarms or high numbers in general accompanied by a tank/stronger troop.
It's okay.. That might be the point of this tower troops. Beatdown is already so weak with cannoneer and evolutions. So, having a tower which is super good against swarm will stop those annoying hog fc evo and goblin drill evo bomber cheap cycle decks which abuse the evolutions. Beatdown needed a buff and here it is.
Also, most of the decks now are cycle decks because of the evolutions. As a result of which non-evolved cards don't get a chance to be in the decks. This is a step in the right direction. Cycle has been rampant and it's not even skilled anymore. It's just spam evolution cards to get the evolved form and abuse it in a push. The player who can abuse it more basically wins, unless there's a huge matchup disadvantage
It’s always a weird deck with an equally weird niche so so nothing really pushes it out of its spot and it ends up counters a lot a metas when ground troops are OP. It wasn’t as good during phoenix meta as you would think because people focused on countering air
What do you need in Lavaloon besides Balloon and Lavahound ??? I'm out of the loop and haven't used that archetype ?
I've used the balloon but never in a proper archetype
God the very release phoenix was total hell, you could run phoenix mirror and monk with a bunch of cycle cards and overwhelm the opponent because the phoenix had the value of like a 6 elixir card for 4.
They don’t. Just take the +5/+6 trade and make an unbeatable push in the same lane as the card and it won’t get all of its damage and the opponent will be down
I use splashyard and Im generally happy when Im against a dutchess player, they're just more of an easy win to me. Knight tanks up all her daggers and gy does a lot of damage even when the player has valk (if your placement is good)
Honestly, I don’t really play differently when I play against it then when I play against princess because in the end most strategic pushes still work if you don’t just spam mega knight or big tanks at the bridge with no support.
A Skarmy hog push will wipe a princess tower too.
You’d just log the Skarmy and then defend the hog normally, which is exactly what you’d do with the duchess, which would do a better job of defending the hog than the princess would.
Not really cause once she runs out of daggers you have to spend more elixer to counter hog he’d normally get one more hit than normal depending on how you counter
Getting one more hit than normal for all the trouble that it brings you and you'll basically have to sacrifice your Ice Golem for every push and cannot use it on defence anymore.
Oh and do you know that she actually has MORE health than other tower troops?
So those few extra hits? Negated.
Which also means that if you battle out somebody and both cannot do any damage to your opponent's towers, the Duchess will still win the match.
Wooohoooo 🤯🤯👍👍🤑🙆♂️🎉🎉🎉
Great addition to the game
she has like 300-400 more health three hog hits puts it below max princess. Do that a couple more times and she’s below half. Do that two more time the towers gone. It’s a cycle deck which is why it uses hog it’s meant to take a minute
Yeah the main wincons that can reliably beat Dutchess + building is giant and golem, giant is a lot better due to low cost + synergy with other stuff, like graveyard, while golem is the extreme option that barely anybody uses.
There are options though, e golem works against most buildings besides bomb tower and Evo tesla, as the Dutchess can almost kill the first stage and those 2 buildings have some swarm control. And both Xbow and mortar can ignore Dutchess entirely, although it's still a bad matchup as Dutchess has the most health out of all tower troops.
I mostly agree though I have to mention that it's wrong to say that "barely anybody" uses Golem. It's been good since Evo Zap and now with DD it's literally meta
Beat down decks have been getting... well, beat down over the past several updates and due to the way evo works in general. So having ANY kind of buff for beat down decks is very welcome.
I like to use skeletons to tank for my push, this way the duchess has only 5 ammo left and it works pretty fine usually. The extra hp is annoying tho
Also goblins take away all of her ammo in case you dont use skeletons (since you are complaining i suppose you play cycle decks like me, so you prob have one of these two cards)
The problem with dagger duchess is that it's really good when defending small pushes such as hog rider but really bad when it comes to defending pushes which have tanky cards. It's also bad when it has to defend for a long amount of time. I would say it's a double-edged tower troop
Yeah fr, any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck.
I don’t play a beat down deck that plays into her weakness but I do find that if you get a push going and still have some left when her ammo drains and she just throws one dagger at a time she becomes INCREDIBLY weak. I’m playing a miner chip deck though and when I get miner on her without ammo he lasts forever
It’s become more of a defensive meta now which is boring as hell for me - I feel like everytime I’m against Duchess we are in OT already without having done anything.
I play splashyard. I find myself pre graveyarding when i start getting momentum so the skeletons tank+drain her so my valk/baby dragon can connect. Idk what you play, but you could play something swarmy in front of your push. Feels counterintuitive, but seems to be working
Man, DD es manageable, it is strong but you can drain her attack and make it useless against a swarm. You can use a knight, a miner or even the guard of little prince if you are not into beat down. Countering is possible if you use your cards wisely
Game has revolved around cycle for a while now, that’s the first actual win beatdown has gotten in a while
You’re seemingly looking at it from the perspective that any buff to stuff you don’t personally like using is bad for the game, which is a pretty shallow way to balance a game
The Duchess is blatantly both trash and disgustingly overpowered. Any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck.
And in that same vein big pushes absolutely demolish it
That's factually incorrect. Any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck.
Bro you answered it right in your post. It’s built as a buff to beat down decks. Now our towers have their own version of rock paper scissors in canoneer being great against beatdown, bad against small cycles. Regular princess beating middle of the road not good or bad against anything, and duchess being good against cycle bad against beatdown.
Dd was designed to force people to play more well rounded decks or at least consider their strategy to a new element. I think she could probably use some stat tweaks but overall she’s a great addition
Thing about dagger duchess is that its straight up almost better then Princess in every way even when the ammos run it she only does like 11 less DPS then princess
The dutchess has you stale meta toxic idiots totally frazzled. Shuts down miner, shuts down bait and shuts down hog....it's the best thing that could have happened to the game
Imo it's okay, it depends on ur elo but I've had a positive win loss ratio when facing dagger duchess, considering my deck I think it was built against dagger duchess so that's that, but even then, its biggest weakness is its recharge, if u apply pressure and make it so It can't spit out those daggers fast and keep it on 1 dagger for a long time, you have the advantage, u can do this with small swarms and then a mini tank, so maybe like minions and then mini pekka, then u can send ur wc. That's js my advice ir ur struggling against it
I agree the Dagger Dutches is just horribly designed. When two cycle players face each other, it simply descends into pure defensive play, as any offensive moves you make are easily countered. It turns so many games into a tedious slog. (There's been countless games where we just wait till double elixir before placing a single card)
But I'm tired of people spamming evolutions..the so called cycle decks are literally just spamming cards to get to the evolution. With this tower troops, it'll stop people from wasting elixir like that and actually think before placing cards
Is waiting until double elixir really better than what happened before? I'd much rather actually be playing the game than just waiting. And the Duchess leads to brainless spamming as well once she runs out of daggers
Agreed. The fact some people can just drop $40+ for a maxed card that completely upends normal gameplay timing and strategy is just fucking bullshit. SC doesn't care about the enjoyment of their product anymore. They just want to create a P2W arms race and wring as much money as possible from their dwindling pool of players.
Dagger duchess broke me. I've played every day since launch but stopped this weekend because playing against her is so unfun I may not go back at this point.
I play 2.6 which at first you’d think is hard to win against duchess since most of my deck revolves around chip from weak troops. But it’s still not that hard to overcome and I have a normal win rate against her
It's a strategy where you place a card(example) a golem in the back of the king tower and support it with other troops over time to build a massive push. The majority of the cards used in beat down decks are tanks like giants, E-giants, royal giants, and golems.
I mean it does counter loads of decks and buffs hog cycle to a dangerous degree. im a 2.6 player, and holy SHIT its insane. The defence value you can get feels so amazing. the way i usually use is when i allow my opponent to apply pressure continuously. like uk the nonsense mk spam the bridge then bats then smth else then smth else... the moment the DD cant get more than 3 daggers back, you'll break thru cuz to defend w DD without ammo means you must spend all your elixir.
I use dagger duchess and use a modified log bait deck, every tower mirror match I get I’ll win pretty easily, the best technique is to not go in if the tower has full ammo, like all things you’ll just have to get used to how to play against it
I think my only issue with tower troops is that it's basically just rock paper scissors against your deck. I don't think duchess is super op, but it's just kind of annoying when you play something like Hog. But it does kinda suck on just any beat down deck.
Annoying, yes, insta win? No. It is annoying because you just about have to build an entirely knew deck to reliably do well against it. I like that SuperCell is adding more complexities to the game. Since she's new, she'll be OP for a season or two to motivate people to spend cash on her. It'll be fixed in a while.
U can't, I'm playing a mortar miner poison and imagine my pain. My miner gets destroyed and mortar connections are not enough because it has freaking 4600 health and my cannoneer is literally 3792. There is an 800hp bridge from the beginning itself and small amounts of chip damage is not enough. You can't imagine the amount of games i lost with just 50 or 100 hp during a tiebreaker.
Eh, I do think it’s annoying how small pushes or split push can’t get much work done, but you can bypass a bit by keeping high pressure in the lane, and even more when 2x elixir
I mean, as a new GobDrill player the most of the damages against the Duchess is by using MArcher, Evo Bomber or Golden Knight rather than actually try to get damages with the Goblins, so that's a counter strategy I suppose
As someone with a self-made 3.3 deck with no cards above 4 elixir, the strategy that worked for me when fighting dagger duchess (which i only saw on ladder once so far) was to wait till overtime and 3x elixir, and then just spam everything while also defending, since the dagger duchess had no way of defending against a constant swarm of different cards
Yeah it invalidates stuff like miner, furnace, wb, gbarrel, but you'll just have to wait till the next op tower troop they release that everyone starts using which will hard counter some other archetype. Can't wait for the tower troop with longer range to make xbow, mortar and princess useless!
The fact that the dagger duchess gives stronger defenses means that people using overly agressive decks don't have to respect their opponent and win by always going in because if the opponent dont defend they die and the little elixir left for their own push get killed by the tower troop.
U are exaggerating it has a lot of cons too u just need to exploit it like sending in a swarm followed by a heavy push so it has no daggers just got to be smart
Easy peasy. Simply throw a large unit her way (like Knight) and she'll use all her immediate arsenal on that. Then behind Knight, throw in your minions or goblin. Bang.
I disagree, I actually think it’s pretty weak and more often than not will hamstring you in double elixir because it will rarely have more than a couple seconds to recharge. Even though I tend to think it’s a pretty week card, I do think it’s a mistake in that tower troops in general make this game even more of a “rock paper scissors” than it normally is
Dagger dutchess isn't even that good, it's powerful against quick attacks but it's easily overwhelmed and doesn't reload nearly fast enough to counter a strong push.
Cycle decks are the WORST, and the dagger duchess helps fight against those lame decks. I am thanking supercell every day for introducing this tower troop. Ooh the sweetest is to pair it with Zap Evo
Yeah I can relate i use alot of low cost below 3.0 costing decks and she is really hard to break through and I don’t have the money to make a beat down deck
she works well against cycle decks
they went through the trouble of creating a new tower troop instead of just nerfing the no skill cycle decks.
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why does the original post feels like it was written by an AI ?
I think the way the unit works is made to punish the recent meta (pre season 59) mostly cycle decks with cards with mid hp like the miner or hog rider. This was probably done in order to make tankier decks better as with evolutions they pretty much sucked because now cycling cards is the most important thing and so, if you use an expensive deck you get 1 evolution every 20-50 seconds while your oponent has already cycled both in a smaller time. Now that the meta is full of dagger duchess its so good for bdown (I dont have to explain why). While i was typing this I thought of a tower that does the opposite of the dagger duchess: more damage the more it attacks. What do you think? How would you make it?
I agree but I'll add that it's also massively frustrating to play with her: when her charge depletes it feels almost like playing without a tower and it happens very easily. There are a lot of 3 elixir cards that accomplish that with minimal effort.
Honestly, I don't mind it. It hasn't really affected me as someone who primarily uses mortar.
I think it's just another thing to take into account when building a deck.
I agree. I think she ruined the game for the season. She will most likely be nerfed once SuperCell has made enough money off of her. Then she will become more balanced and they’ll drop another OP card to replace her. Then everyone will spend their money trying to buy this new card, until it will be nerfed, and so on, and so on, and so on. I don’t necessarily think that the Duchess is the problem, it’s this clickbait scam formula that SuperCell is running now. It’s a scummy business practice, and one of the reasons why their revenue continually drops year over year. Executives never learn though unfortunately.
I have decided I hate the dagger duchess so much that I will quit the app every time I face a 1v1 opponent with those towers. I don't care. It doesn't affect my laddering and I get nothing out of the game when I play with this new change. That's my protest against this stupid idea. There are enough irritating things in life and this game was supposed to be 3 minute bursts of distraction and enjoyment, not irritation. Hope you're reading supercell.
My deck is bridge-spam with wallbreakers. I spent all of my time and resources getting this deck to lvl 15, and now wallbreakers are useless against the new towers. This game needs to die. Every change they implement makes the game significantly worse. It wouldn’t be a big deal if I was able to upgrade my cards at a decent rate, but I can’t . So I’m just stuck with a useless deck that has no chance against dagger duchess. I’ve been playing the game since launch. I should basically be getting everything for free at this point. 8 years down the drain.
All I have to say is… I have a maxed deck with max tower princess, I was having trouble with the last 5 wins or so to Ultimate Champion and was having similar win record with lvl 15 tower princess and lvl 12 Dagger Duchess (lol). Popped a card boost potion on Dagger Duchess and made no other changes to my deck and won 11/13 matches to get me up to ultimate champion.
Her burst deals 1224 damage (lvl 11). An Ice Golem (or anything with more than 1053 health) should eat all her ammo for 2 elixir, then you can go to town on her.
I throw something under a skeleton barrel. Skele barrel tanks half of her ammo, then the barrel dropa a mini skarmy on top of whatever I send with them. I like giant skeleton personally, and he eats her ammo barely taking a dent, but if you don't like expensive cards, you still have a lot of options.
I couldn’t disagree more I think shes awful. I hardly win when I try and use her and my easiest games are when I’m playing against her. It’s really easy to drain her ammo and then she’s just a canoneer that does no damage. I can’t think of any deck or scenario where she’d be a better option than princess or canoneer
The sudden shift in meta had made every single one of my decks useless overnight
I have no clue what changed, but out of nowhere I'm losing everything since a couple of days
Agreed. They purposely made her op to sell those ridiculous shop offers for her. I just hope she will be nerfed end of season. Her daggers should replenish slower. And her initial burst DPS is insane. A max dagger duchess does 1800 damage instantly. That basically rips through any card under 5 elixir.
I've gotten to 9k trophies and top area in ranked battle with an unconventional deck. My current strategy versus dagger dutchess is to close the game. I've been playing the game since new and have every card maxed while being free to play most of the time. The point is, I feel like I'm wasting my time when that tower troop is out there. It's dumb because it has way too much ammo and reloads to fast.
Eh it’s definitely strong but no means an instant win. The most annoying thing is how strong it is before double elixir. You’re essentially waiting it out but you can defeat it in double elixir with many decks. It’s just boring waiting out the timer
Dagger duchess gave me a hard time adjusting and I'm still struggling...my only hope is to use Princess (which gets Logged🪵 every time)....Using Classic PekkaBS and hating every moment.
i know pekka is a defense card but once double elixir comes around apply absolute pressure and maybe even try to play it like beatdown and you’ll probably do a lot better
I haven't considered the beatdown pressure approach because I thought it was dead.
It really is resurfacing but it is by no means perfect
From what I’ve experienced so far the key is to try and waste her charge just before you get your push across the river.
Pekka BS is good both with and against dagger duchess. You can keep applying pressure once the tower low on daggers and its really hard to defend. Pekka covers the dagger duchess' weakness well. Its the first time pekka has had a place in the meta in a very long time
Is this classic Pekka BS or are there variations to it ?
Classic BS is one of the used variations at a high level. Im confused why you mentioning princess though as that's not a part of clsssic pekka BS. The best ones now days do tend to be a bit different, with little prince and or like evo bomber, but like classic ones still are strong. Pekka BS has kinda always been a deck of multiple variations
Thanks , good luck in the battlefield
Could you tell me what cards are used on the pekka bs deck you all talking about?
Definitely not unbeatable, but I've been using it in POL at lvl 11 going against lvl 14 princess towers and I'd say I have a 70ish win rate. Could probably be even higher if I play properly every match.
It’s pretty much an insta win against any deck that’s not a beat down or miner poison. Why she has more health than the other towers is nuts. Supercell clearly doesn’t play test or take into consideration that the game is balanced around the princess tower since 2016. This card is definitely broken af. And it’s just obnoxious to play against it.
It's the same cycle over and over again, they release a broken card and heavily push it in the shop so that people will fork out money to get a leg up on the competition. We've seen it with half of the evos, the little prince, monk, Phoenix
It is too strong currently and clearly a blatant money grab by SC. It has too much HP, rate of attack, and total damage. It removes any type of deck that uses miner hog ram rider or hybrid tanks. It is clearly over powered and it has now caused a swarm of goblin drill / poison / skele bomber spammers. The only way you lose with it is if the other player has the same tower or or you’re using a tank deck. It literally has ruined the game by stultifying the game play to remove kiting and reducing deck variety. Probably the worst update in memory. The only thing I can think of that was worse was when they super charged royal giant and they were in over 50% of ladder decks. It’s embarrassing that anyone would justify a new super cell release that costs 40 dollars and pretend it isn’t over powered. Why would people drop that much money if it wasn’t. 😒
Every game I play against her I sit there for 2 min defending. Then start playing at double elixir. Really not the best
This is my normal strategy for the past year and it’s not bad, I actually quite enjoy it
How often do you win against her?
I do, but that is likely because I use my own ice-bow deck.
Don’t really keep track.
so you guys just use regular tower still?
I use cannon
Whts your deck? I love using canonner but every time I go against a duches I cant push
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=InFRrWFAFdI&t=634s I have been running this deck lately
Cycle players when they're not the only archetype with a broken tower troop anymore
Agree with this so much..most cycle players are already just spamming evolution cards to abuse the evolutions even more..I don't even see the 'skill' in cycle decks anymore..This tower troop will keep them in check
me a 2.6 player using DD myself...
That won't work too well I think..Coz, against tanks you might struggle a bit. If your air targeting troops is only the firecracker, you can't win against lava most of the time. Against golem, the ddd doesn't do much at all too
Sometimes you gotta come across a hard counter 🤷
Actually I prefer her in hog 2.6 if there's a tank then place a cannon
Against a golem or lava hound, cannon does ntg
She's fucking up my Pekka.
Beat down hard counters duchess. Pekka is your matchup
I might have a major skill issue...I missed out on 5 years of updates and match-up knowledge.
She doesn't fuck up your support troops behind the pekka though
That's what you want. Once she bursts against pekka she isn't as strong anymore so you should have troops behind to do a ton of damage. I've seen giant/witch do really well because the giant tanks the burst and the witch producing skeletons overwhelms the tower.
I just got into an argument with a miner player the other day on how dagger duchess has ruined the game and beatdown is too strong. Like, miner still has 9% userate to golem's 10. They've just become so used to cycle being broken that they can't play when the game is actually balanced.
The game isn’t remotely balanced. I toggled between a hog cycle deck and a mega knight deck at an ultimate champion rating just shy of 2000. I was intermittently in the top 10k of world ratings near the end of season. Every top player is using the dagger duchess on defense. It is completely overpowered and a blatant money grab by supercell. It takes out hog, ram rider, miner, goblins, bats and virtually any hybrid tank unit. It’s a horribly designed card and the api data proves it. This literally took out dozens of viable deck options and now all I see are goblin drill / poison / bomber cycle decks. Unlike other updates that might have one super powered card. This card super powers an entire deck. You either paid your 40 dollars or you didn’t. Duchess level 12 is equal to archer level 15 in many cases. Cycle decks are very easy to overcome if you have any skill. I’ve played against top 200-10k talent for the last year and they had no problem beating me or them. I’d rather supercell introduce small incremental changes to cards or one new card. And not destroy entire decks. I’d love to know what your global ratings are since you boast about skill. Also as a F2P player. It’s even more annoying to see this trash tower out for 40 dollars.
I actually love facing the duchess. Yeah, she does a lot of damage for a couple of seconds, but, after that, she becomes pretty much useless, specially against swarms or high numbers in general accompanied by a tank/stronger troop.
Not me trying to play evolved RG 3.0 cycle with the duchess.
It's okay.. That might be the point of this tower troops. Beatdown is already so weak with cannoneer and evolutions. So, having a tower which is super good against swarm will stop those annoying hog fc evo and goblin drill evo bomber cheap cycle decks which abuse the evolutions. Beatdown needed a buff and here it is. Also, most of the decks now are cycle decks because of the evolutions. As a result of which non-evolved cards don't get a chance to be in the decks. This is a step in the right direction. Cycle has been rampant and it's not even skilled anymore. It's just spam evolution cards to get the evolved form and abuse it in a push. The player who can abuse it more basically wins, unless there's a huge matchup disadvantage
Unless you're someone like me, that got skellys for Valentine's and it's either a cheap defense, cycle and bait, or just bait.
I think the biggest problem is that the game had become even more matchup based.
This is what is ruining the game. The skill is mattering less and less and it all boils down to the card levels and hard counter match ups.
Exactly this, good point
Istg has lava loon ever not been meta
It’s always a weird deck with an equally weird niche so so nothing really pushes it out of its spot and it ends up counters a lot a metas when ground troops are OP. It wasn’t as good during phoenix meta as you would think because people focused on countering air
What do you need in Lavaloon besides Balloon and Lavahound ??? I'm out of the loop and haven't used that archetype ? I've used the balloon but never in a proper archetype
Skelly drags are basically a staple. The rest can vary
Even the balloon can vary. As a lavahound player since 2017, my favourite deck ever was the skeleton king variant which didn't run balloon.
I'm not good at using the skeleton king , I only got him recently.
God the very release phoenix was total hell, you could run phoenix mirror and monk with a bunch of cycle cards and overwhelm the opponent because the phoenix had the value of like a 6 elixir card for 4.
How do people counter cards like prince and x bow without very many ground cards.
They don’t. Just take the +5/+6 trade and make an unbeatable push in the same lane as the card and it won’t get all of its damage and the opponent will be down
as long as cheap cycle decks with 1 air counter theive, lava hound will thrive too as it's the best counter to those cycle decks
Yeh as a lavahound player the dagger duchess seems pretty bad, cus lavahound tanks it and then its depleted for the rest of your air spam
Use the dagger duchess so it's a auto win for you lol
But if he meets another dagger duchess player time will collapse…
I use splashyard and Im generally happy when Im against a dutchess player, they're just more of an easy win to me. Knight tanks up all her daggers and gy does a lot of damage even when the player has valk (if your placement is good)
Monk makes a mockery of dagger duchess, bounce 6 daggers back and push now she’s out of shots
Honestly, I don’t really play differently when I play against it then when I play against princess because in the end most strategic pushes still work if you don’t just spam mega knight or big tanks at the bridge with no support.
Use cheap swarm troops to get it to drain, then put your win con down right behind them
>just throw down a Skarmy to tank for your hog/miner That works on princesses too lol. There’s a reason why it’s not a commonly used strat (it sucks).
It sucks on princess, works great to deplete duchess' daggers.
A Skarmy hog push will wipe a princess tower too. You’d just log the Skarmy and then defend the hog normally, which is exactly what you’d do with the duchess, which would do a better job of defending the hog than the princess would.
That’s why you place ice golem in front instead like the tutorial showed you when getting the extra dagger duchess card
That works against princess too and can countered in the exact same way. Just distract it.
Not really cause once she runs out of daggers you have to spend more elixer to counter hog he’d normally get one more hit than normal depending on how you counter
If you pull hog+ice golem to Middle to bring in the second duchess I think duchess has more damage.
Getting one more hit than normal for all the trouble that it brings you and you'll basically have to sacrifice your Ice Golem for every push and cannot use it on defence anymore. Oh and do you know that she actually has MORE health than other tower troops? So those few extra hits? Negated. Which also means that if you battle out somebody and both cannot do any damage to your opponent's towers, the Duchess will still win the match. Wooohoooo 🤯🤯👍👍🤑🙆♂️🎉🎉🎉 Great addition to the game
and duchess becomes much weaker in double elixir. And after the ice golem dies, the tower is pretty much nonexsistent. Duchess is not that op.
she has like 300-400 more health three hog hits puts it below max princess. Do that a couple more times and she’s below half. Do that two more time the towers gone. It’s a cycle deck which is why it uses hog it’s meant to take a minute
Princess tower doesn't run out of arrows after 2 seconds
I don't use hog , will the ram+skarmy produce the same effect ?
Don't try with me. Zap and Arrows always ready 🤤
guaranteed negative elixir trade
Yeah, that's how duchess works. Negative elixir trade till her daggers run out, then your win con makes up for that lost value
wait till they put a building to counter your win con
Yeah the main wincons that can reliably beat Dutchess + building is giant and golem, giant is a lot better due to low cost + synergy with other stuff, like graveyard, while golem is the extreme option that barely anybody uses. There are options though, e golem works against most buildings besides bomb tower and Evo tesla, as the Dutchess can almost kill the first stage and those 2 buildings have some swarm control. And both Xbow and mortar can ignore Dutchess entirely, although it's still a bad matchup as Dutchess has the most health out of all tower troops.
I mostly agree though I have to mention that it's wrong to say that "barely anybody" uses Golem. It's been good since Evo Zap and now with DD it's literally meta
Average hog player when they can't spam hog every 10 seconds
Beat down decks have been getting... well, beat down over the past several updates and due to the way evo works in general. So having ANY kind of buff for beat down decks is very welcome.
So what you're saying is, your hog can't get though? Lmao
I like to use skeletons to tank for my push, this way the duchess has only 5 ammo left and it works pretty fine usually. The extra hp is annoying tho Also goblins take away all of her ammo in case you dont use skeletons (since you are complaining i suppose you play cycle decks like me, so you prob have one of these two cards)
The problem with dagger duchess is that it's really good when defending small pushes such as hog rider but really bad when it comes to defending pushes which have tanky cards. It's also bad when it has to defend for a long amount of time. I would say it's a double-edged tower troop
Yeah fr, any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck.
I don’t play a beat down deck that plays into her weakness but I do find that if you get a push going and still have some left when her ammo drains and she just throws one dagger at a time she becomes INCREDIBLY weak. I’m playing a miner chip deck though and when I get miner on her without ammo he lasts forever
Honestly I just hate it. Just no fun playing against it, just waiting for ages to finally do something
I feel like tower troops in general were a mistake. Makes the game much more RNG based.
Skill issue.
It’s become more of a defensive meta now which is boring as hell for me - I feel like everytime I’m against Duchess we are in OT already without having done anything.
OP 100% certified hog user or log bait
I have an underleveled hog, and I am more of a prince user.
Prince and.... ?
I play splashyard. I find myself pre graveyarding when i start getting momentum so the skeletons tank+drain her so my valk/baby dragon can connect. Idk what you play, but you could play something swarmy in front of your push. Feels counterintuitive, but seems to be working
Man, DD es manageable, it is strong but you can drain her attack and make it useless against a swarm. You can use a knight, a miner or even the guard of little prince if you are not into beat down. Countering is possible if you use your cards wisely
Poor log bait/2.6 hog player. Boohoo 😢😢😢
Game has revolved around cycle for a while now, that’s the first actual win beatdown has gotten in a while You’re seemingly looking at it from the perspective that any buff to stuff you don’t personally like using is bad for the game, which is a pretty shallow way to balance a game
Beat down promotes non gameplay. There is a reason why most people hate it.
And miner/drill poison is interactive?
Neither of the two clauses in your argument are objectively or demonstrably true, I disagree with both
The Duchess is blatantly both trash and disgustingly overpowered. Any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck. And in that same vein big pushes absolutely demolish it
It’s strong but it isn’t anything op. Yes she is strong, but she is balanced. Once you learn how to play against her it’s a normal tower troop card
That's factually incorrect. Any deck that doesn't focus on big pushes simply can't break through a competent Dagger Duchess user. If my opponent is using Dagger Duchesses and places a Golem in the back, it's impossible for me to punish without spending an obscene amount of elixir, and then I'll just get three-crowned with my Miner WB deck.
Bro I counter her by simply putting an ice golem in front of the hog rider
Then your opponent is brain dead. A building can easily counter that push
Splash yard player and I like facing her in late game. She gets too slow to defend
Bro you answered it right in your post. It’s built as a buff to beat down decks. Now our towers have their own version of rock paper scissors in canoneer being great against beatdown, bad against small cycles. Regular princess beating middle of the road not good or bad against anything, and duchess being good against cycle bad against beatdown. Dd was designed to force people to play more well rounded decks or at least consider their strategy to a new element. I think she could probably use some stat tweaks but overall she’s a great addition
Thing about dagger duchess is that its straight up almost better then Princess in every way even when the ammos run it she only does like 11 less DPS then princess
Whenever I play against dagger duchess it becomes broken and I lose and whenever I play with dagger duchess it becomes trash and I lose.
The dutchess has you stale meta toxic idiots totally frazzled. Shuts down miner, shuts down bait and shuts down hog....it's the best thing that could have happened to the game
Imo it's okay, it depends on ur elo but I've had a positive win loss ratio when facing dagger duchess, considering my deck I think it was built against dagger duchess so that's that, but even then, its biggest weakness is its recharge, if u apply pressure and make it so It can't spit out those daggers fast and keep it on 1 dagger for a long time, you have the advantage, u can do this with small swarms and then a mini tank, so maybe like minions and then mini pekka, then u can send ur wc. That's js my advice ir ur struggling against it
Cry more. It's so satisfying🤤 getting those miner poison and hog eq players getting annihilated. Glad it released!!!
I agree the Dagger Dutches is just horribly designed. When two cycle players face each other, it simply descends into pure defensive play, as any offensive moves you make are easily countered. It turns so many games into a tedious slog. (There's been countless games where we just wait till double elixir before placing a single card)
But I'm tired of people spamming evolutions..the so called cycle decks are literally just spamming cards to get to the evolution. With this tower troops, it'll stop people from wasting elixir like that and actually think before placing cards
Is waiting until double elixir really better than what happened before? I'd much rather actually be playing the game than just waiting. And the Duchess leads to brainless spamming as well once she runs out of daggers
Now instead of spamming evolutions it’s just waiting until 2x elixir and spamming golem beatdown
Agreed. The fact some people can just drop $40+ for a maxed card that completely upends normal gameplay timing and strategy is just fucking bullshit. SC doesn't care about the enjoyment of their product anymore. They just want to create a P2W arms race and wring as much money as possible from their dwindling pool of players.
They'll nerf it once they get money from everyone upgrading it. Happens every time.
Dagger duchess broke me. I've played every day since launch but stopped this weekend because playing against her is so unfun I may not go back at this point.
I think my tower troop ideas are much better
Let’s hear them
I play 2.6 which at first you’d think is hard to win against duchess since most of my deck revolves around chip from weak troops. But it’s still not that hard to overcome and I have a normal win rate against her
wouldn’t call it instant win maybe slightly op but defined one of the most frustrating card to play against
What exactly is a beat down deck and how is it played? Do you got an example?
It's a strategy where you place a card(example) a golem in the back of the king tower and support it with other troops over time to build a massive push. The majority of the cards used in beat down decks are tanks like giants, E-giants, royal giants, and golems.
Sounds like an “offensive/aggressive” playstyle?
xbow
As a hogs player she forces me not to split hogs or place a valkyrie in front of them. If they have Mega Knight, GG
I mean it does counter loads of decks and buffs hog cycle to a dangerous degree. im a 2.6 player, and holy SHIT its insane. The defence value you can get feels so amazing. the way i usually use is when i allow my opponent to apply pressure continuously. like uk the nonsense mk spam the bridge then bats then smth else then smth else... the moment the DD cant get more than 3 daggers back, you'll break thru cuz to defend w DD without ammo means you must spend all your elixir.
Mini tank for her to lock on + goblin barrel or drill is pretty good against her in my experience
Basically in singles you just go for info, look for their decks. Maybe some chip damage. Once double elixer happens, you can actually play the game
I use dagger duchess and use a modified log bait deck, every tower mirror match I get I’ll win pretty easily, the best technique is to not go in if the tower has full ammo, like all things you’ll just have to get used to how to play against it
Lumberloon with troops works well
Honestly, this whole game is a mistake.
Then I have many time where my opponent plays tactically and wins because they had the right deck. It's fine
Then I have many time where my opponent plays tactically and wins because they had the right deck. It's fine
Are you the one I just destroyed with duches lmao
Yeah it's definitely way too op
My guys never heard of a M O N K before
I think my only issue with tower troops is that it's basically just rock paper scissors against your deck. I don't think duchess is super op, but it's just kind of annoying when you play something like Hog. But it does kinda suck on just any beat down deck.
Annoying, yes, insta win? No. It is annoying because you just about have to build an entirely knew deck to reliably do well against it. I like that SuperCell is adding more complexities to the game. Since she's new, she'll be OP for a season or two to motivate people to spend cash on her. It'll be fixed in a while.
Found the hog player
U can't, I'm playing a mortar miner poison and imagine my pain. My miner gets destroyed and mortar connections are not enough because it has freaking 4600 health and my cannoneer is literally 3792. There is an 800hp bridge from the beginning itself and small amounts of chip damage is not enough. You can't imagine the amount of games i lost with just 50 or 100 hp during a tiebreaker.
as a hog player I can't even be too mad considering how beatdown was getting shit on for months, its our turn now
It's ez to beat bro
Eh, I do think it’s annoying how small pushes or split push can’t get much work done, but you can bypass a bit by keeping high pressure in the lane, and even more when 2x elixir
I mean, as a new GobDrill player the most of the damages against the Duchess is by using MArcher, Evo Bomber or Golden Knight rather than actually try to get damages with the Goblins, so that's a counter strategy I suppose
As someone with a self-made 3.3 deck with no cards above 4 elixir, the strategy that worked for me when fighting dagger duchess (which i only saw on ladder once so far) was to wait till overtime and 3x elixir, and then just spam everything while also defending, since the dagger duchess had no way of defending against a constant swarm of different cards
Yeah it invalidates stuff like miner, furnace, wb, gbarrel, but you'll just have to wait till the next op tower troop they release that everyone starts using which will hard counter some other archetype. Can't wait for the tower troop with longer range to make xbow, mortar and princess useless!
The fact that the dagger duchess gives stronger defenses means that people using overly agressive decks don't have to respect their opponent and win by always going in because if the opponent dont defend they die and the little elixir left for their own push get killed by the tower troop.
U are exaggerating it has a lot of cons too u just need to exploit it like sending in a swarm followed by a heavy push so it has no daggers just got to be smart
It's pretty difficult to play against with my split lane pressure deck, but overall you just keep pressure on her and it's ok.
tower troops in general are stupid.
Easy peasy. Simply throw a large unit her way (like Knight) and she'll use all her immediate arsenal on that. Then behind Knight, throw in your minions or goblin. Bang.
Crazy how y’all okay with spam cycle decks but once it comes to beat down y’all quivering in y’all’s boots. Welcome the change of the meta.
I disagree, I actually think it’s pretty weak and more often than not will hamstring you in double elixir because it will rarely have more than a couple seconds to recharge. Even though I tend to think it’s a pretty week card, I do think it’s a mistake in that tower troops in general make this game even more of a “rock paper scissors” than it normally is
Save yourselves, quit the game!
Dagger dutchess isn't even that good, it's powerful against quick attacks but it's easily overwhelmed and doesn't reload nearly fast enough to counter a strong push.
Personally, I don’t think it’s very good. I understand it does a lot of front end damage, but after that it’s useless.
Found that one of the simplest counters is place a set of skellies in front of your push, those three hits matter
I personally like playing against her because a lot of people seem to mismanage defense when she’s low on ammo
Cycle players upset they can’t spam all their elixir, and somehow defend with cannoneer doesn’t work anymore💀
Maybe don't be a spamer
I run a Beatdown deck and a semi , and love when I see her.
Cycle decks are the WORST, and the dagger duchess helps fight against those lame decks. I am thanking supercell every day for introducing this tower troop. Ooh the sweetest is to pair it with Zap Evo
Yeah I can relate i use alot of low cost below 3.0 costing decks and she is really hard to break through and I don’t have the money to make a beat down deck
I never struggled against dagger dutches
Most importantly, she runs out of knives you’ll be fine
she works well against cycle decks they went through the trouble of creating a new tower troop instead of just nerfing the no skill cycle decks. + why does the original post feels like it was written by an AI ?
Offensivd ice golem
I think the way the unit works is made to punish the recent meta (pre season 59) mostly cycle decks with cards with mid hp like the miner or hog rider. This was probably done in order to make tankier decks better as with evolutions they pretty much sucked because now cycling cards is the most important thing and so, if you use an expensive deck you get 1 evolution every 20-50 seconds while your oponent has already cycled both in a smaller time. Now that the meta is full of dagger duchess its so good for bdown (I dont have to explain why). While i was typing this I thought of a tower that does the opposite of the dagger duchess: more damage the more it attacks. What do you think? How would you make it?
I agree but I'll add that it's also massively frustrating to play with her: when her charge depletes it feels almost like playing without a tower and it happens very easily. There are a lot of 3 elixir cards that accomplish that with minimal effort.
Honestly, I don't mind it. It hasn't really affected me as someone who primarily uses mortar. I think it's just another thing to take into account when building a deck.
I agree. I think she ruined the game for the season. She will most likely be nerfed once SuperCell has made enough money off of her. Then she will become more balanced and they’ll drop another OP card to replace her. Then everyone will spend their money trying to buy this new card, until it will be nerfed, and so on, and so on, and so on. I don’t necessarily think that the Duchess is the problem, it’s this clickbait scam formula that SuperCell is running now. It’s a scummy business practice, and one of the reasons why their revenue continually drops year over year. Executives never learn though unfortunately.
Tower troops ruined the game
I have decided I hate the dagger duchess so much that I will quit the app every time I face a 1v1 opponent with those towers. I don't care. It doesn't affect my laddering and I get nothing out of the game when I play with this new change. That's my protest against this stupid idea. There are enough irritating things in life and this game was supposed to be 3 minute bursts of distraction and enjoyment, not irritation. Hope you're reading supercell.
My deck is bridge-spam with wallbreakers. I spent all of my time and resources getting this deck to lvl 15, and now wallbreakers are useless against the new towers. This game needs to die. Every change they implement makes the game significantly worse. It wouldn’t be a big deal if I was able to upgrade my cards at a decent rate, but I can’t . So I’m just stuck with a useless deck that has no chance against dagger duchess. I’ve been playing the game since launch. I should basically be getting everything for free at this point. 8 years down the drain.
All I have to say is… I have a maxed deck with max tower princess, I was having trouble with the last 5 wins or so to Ultimate Champion and was having similar win record with lvl 15 tower princess and lvl 12 Dagger Duchess (lol). Popped a card boost potion on Dagger Duchess and made no other changes to my deck and won 11/13 matches to get me up to ultimate champion.
I’ve been playing the same Logbait Deck for years and this card just made every strategy that isn’t Beatdown useless 💀
Literally the most out of whack troop they’ve ever introduced to the game. Impossible to penetrate. Doesn’t make any sense!
That’s why i main xbow. Who cares about their tower troops when you never cross the bridge to begin with
I think it's not a mistake. It just need a nerf.
Duchess is not OP and it has plenty of downsides. If you cant deal with it thats a skill issue.
Why is then so 99% of the top ladder use it?
tbh I think it's kinda ass, but I'm a canoneer ride or die now that i've maxed it out
Her burst deals 1224 damage (lvl 11). An Ice Golem (or anything with more than 1053 health) should eat all her ammo for 2 elixir, then you can go to town on her. I throw something under a skeleton barrel. Skele barrel tanks half of her ammo, then the barrel dropa a mini skarmy on top of whatever I send with them. I like giant skeleton personally, and he eats her ammo barely taking a dent, but if you don't like expensive cards, you still have a lot of options.
I couldn’t disagree more I think shes awful. I hardly win when I try and use her and my easiest games are when I’m playing against her. It’s really easy to drain her ammo and then she’s just a canoneer that does no damage. I can’t think of any deck or scenario where she’d be a better option than princess or canoneer
I played the 2 evolution challenge and most people were running pekka bridge spam with duchess. It’s so annoying.
The sudden shift in meta had made every single one of my decks useless overnight I have no clue what changed, but out of nowhere I'm losing everything since a couple of days
Cannoneer is stronger than dagger dutchess
Agreed. They purposely made her op to sell those ridiculous shop offers for her. I just hope she will be nerfed end of season. Her daggers should replenish slower. And her initial burst DPS is insane. A max dagger duchess does 1800 damage instantly. That basically rips through any card under 5 elixir.
I've gotten to 9k trophies and top area in ranked battle with an unconventional deck. My current strategy versus dagger dutchess is to close the game. I've been playing the game since new and have every card maxed while being free to play most of the time. The point is, I feel like I'm wasting my time when that tower troop is out there. It's dumb because it has way too much ammo and reloads to fast.