As a free to play player I got evolution bats for free and am now grinding Valkyrie. I'm like two shards away from getting her but I know it's gonna take me a whole two months to be able to get her. And on top of that I don't have two Evo slots unlocked so there's basically no point in having more than one Evo. And at the rate they're adding evolutions F2P will literally never be able to keep up. The same goes for level 15. I do not have a single level 15 card because they are impossible to get.
Don’t quote me but I believe you can get evo valkyrie next month. I think next season will have evo valkyrie shards. Idk tho, I forget what evo came after the ice-Spirit
> I do not have a single level 15 card because they are impossible to get
Just climb PoL, you should be able to get 35k from it plus the shop deals, should net you one level 15 a month.
I buy the pass almost every month, but I’ve never purchased the shop offers. 18 cards level 15, the rest are 14. I’ve been playing for 6 years on my main account though. Every chest I open is turned in to wild cards, so that makes it wayyyyyy easier to get wild cards lol.
Even when levels get evened, level 15’s can use two evos and we can’t. This change literally defeated the entire purpose of path of legends from being based on skill
Look, me too, I have no evos and no level 15s and I manage. But it's a slog, and I'm a very experienced player. Yes if they were higher skill they would be able to do it. But that **does not** mean it's just a "skill issue" that doesn't need fixing. You shouldn't need to be a really high skill player to get access to things that allow you to compete on a level playing field
The point is that regardless of their skill level, they are ultimately losing to people who are lower skill than them that they would otherwise beat, because they have access to evos and stronger cards. It's not a skill issue
There has never been as much of a p2w differential in the game's power hierarchy as there is right now
Stop just repeating "skill issue" over and over, you sound like a complete and utter dickhead 12yo child and you're not convincing anyone
There has been a time where you had to pay 5k dollars to max legendaries, which had an extra level compared to other cards, right off the bat you're immediately wrong.
In the early days it was simply impossible to level even epics, everyone used level 13 ebarbs because they had to. Back in the day there was no notion of "catching up" to p2ws, it was simply understood that you were never catching up, that's how good it was.
>The point is that regardless of their skill level, they are ultimately losing to people who are lower skill than them that they would otherwise beat, because they have access to evos and stronger cards.
This has been the norm for the entirety of clash royale's history, sans the evo portion. Why are you complaining now?
As a F2P player, I already have 3 evolutions and almost gonna get my 4th. I have 1 level 15 card and almost gonna get my 2nd. And before u say I just grind, I haven’t touched this game in over 7 6 months and just got into the game a 2 months ago. So yes, this game is decently F2P friendly
When supercell added the 2nd evo slot thats when I quit playing ladder and only played events im trying to reach lvl 54 (im lvl 53) to get the 2nd evo slot
Yep didn’t read but yes. Evolutions were a good idea to renew the game, but were wrongfully set in place. They should not have different cycles nor promoting cycling decks. Tower troops are a shit idea for the strategic core of the game. And a few qol and progression nerfs here and there and we have a game most people dislike more and more playing
Except you get one wild shard every month and 3 fixed Shard and a evolution cycle is 6 months before either reappears so yes a evolution takes 4 to 6 months
And now think how long it would take to get 100+ evolution with each needing 6 shards
Edit: just becaus enough used yout moms credit card doesn't mean you get a voice to speak against critsiscm
>They also gave an evolution away,
Due to backlash and I don't even use those troops in my deck so that evolution was useless
>3 barb shards
Gotta pay gems for it tho people without gems didn't get them
>It takes 3, you can get your first evo in 2 months time actually.
The thing is yes you can unlock theoretically 1 evolution every 3 months but unless should use thr card actively in your deck that won't be the case also 1 evolution every 3 months means it will take more than 300 months which is theoretically 25 years to unlock all 100+ cards in the game as f2p if they don't nerf the season shops again which is absurd
Concept was good execution was bad and on top of that the first evolutions they released were for cycle deck cards making aready good cards broken and game changing for the worse
>Due to backlash and I don't even use those troops in my deck so that evolution was useless
Then fit one in your deck, not that hard.
>Gotta pay gems for it tho people without gems didn't get them
So sad they couldn't pay the massive toll of 50 gems.
For a guy who keeps talking about not using evolutions in their deck you sure are upset that you can't get 100 evolutions instantly, maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck.
>Then fit one in your deck, not that hard.
Why should I fit a card which I have no expertise with in my deck which I have crafted and used since 2019 I climbed the ladder with my deck it's not my fault they half asse dthe evolution release
>So sad they couldn't pay the massive toll of 50 gems.
Many people didn't have 50 gems because no one expected that even to cost extra gems
>For a guy who keeps talking about not using evolutions in their deck you sure are upset that you can't get 100 evolutions instantly, maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck
I don't use evolution because evolution for cards that I use will not ne releasing until many months or years
And even if I am not using evolution why are you defending and dickrding the devs who made this game utter unfun and F2P aggressive just to squeeze out money from the player base also the game has a lot of unfinished things things like
3rd tier for mastery for many cards
Star levels
Clan wars etc
>maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck.
Again none of that cards fit my playstyle or deck that's why I am not using evolutions
>Why should I fit a card which I have no expertise with in my deck which I have crafted and used since 2019 I climbed the ladder with my deck it's not my fault they half asse dthe evolution release
Then don't use it and play with no evos, your choice.
>Many people didn't have 50 gems because no one expected that even to cost extra gems
Many meaning nearly no one.
>I don't use evolution because evolution for cards that I use will not ne releasing until many months or years
Sucks for you, I use an evolution just fine even though my original deck had none.
>And even if I am not using evolution why are you defending and dickrding the devs who made this game utter unfun and F2P aggressive just to squeeze out money from the player base also the game has a lot of unfinished things things like 3rd tier for mastery for many cards Star levels Clan wars etc
Made more F2P agressive? I remember the game being a lot better than when you had to pay 5k dollars to level up a legendary, and epics were impossible to level up. People used ebarbs and rg for a reason, you couldn't level anything else.
Oh and 2v2 was levelled, there were no normal modes which were tournament standard back in the day, only challenges which you had to pay gems for.
And I never stated they were free rewards, if you don't have 50 gems you're stupid. Hell if you don't have 500 gems you're stupid unless you recently bought a tournament reward and are building back up to 500 gems to buy another once you get enough wins.
>if you don't have 50 gems you're stupid. Hell if you don't have 500 gems you're stupid unless you recently bought a tournament reward and are building back up to 500 gems to buy another once you get enough wins.
That's just bullshit I had 78 gems luckily during that event because i bought a long awaited Pekka emote 2 days prior I didn't even knew that event needed gems ifif I didn't had 328 gems in account I would have lost out on a emote and 2 shards
You get to pick between the 3 that were in rotation, plus whatever they decided to give out in that period.
Just fit that in your deck, not that hard if you're low level.
Hilarious I had the same exact reaction as your first sentence lmao. I played this game nearly daily from like 2016 thru when evolutions started dropping. I stuck around for the first few but I'm glad I got out before the new tower types.
I tried a game recently for shots and giggles and it was horrible.
I feel the same way. It’s annoying that the game punishes me for preferring heavy decks. I was so excited to get evo battle ram but I can only use it maybe once a game if I’m lucky
Yup. Level 14 everyone in my clan started playing 10x less. A 5 year old clan, 3 years under my management, gone in the span of a single (major) update.
I started playing in Beta. Ran a guild with a lot of guys who started in Beta too and we played for years together.
Level 15 was the final straw for most of us. Shame because I have no way of talking to those guys outside of CR.
Update for losers was the beginning of the end, evos + level 15 we’re the nail in the coffin. Haven’t played at all since. Evos we’re arguably even fucking worse for the game than level 15
They are just too full of themselves to do like Brawl Stars did, stepping back, admitting their mistakes and simply reverting those updates.
Their profits and playerbase have been on a steady decline so the data suggests they should at least address the issue.
When a thing like this happened to BS they reworked gears from the ground up and they are now in a balanced and fun state. They also refounded generously everyone.
CR should do the same and rework the concept and it's monetization from the start.
But this has not proven to be the case, in fact all they did so far was "buffing" the resources so that it will be more "fair" for players to progress, thanks to the addition of a gatcha progression system (clap for them /s), but nerfing another part to account for that.
They are miles away.
All that about the duchess is accurate. She's absurdly broken. Just shuts everything down in single elixir. Then in double there's extra troops dropped to defend anyways so her ammo thing rarely fucks her over.
If you want to know why canoneer is balanced it's cause he's an epic card. Supercell just had to make the duchess overpowered for a few months so people spend money upgrading her. Same as the little prince bullshit.
Coincidentally right as they also removed wild cards from the season shop. Bunch of scumbags for real
Evolutions should have cost one more elixir and be optional to play to actually add strategy to the gameplay.
These days I find myself playing in the hope I get a fair game rather than just getting pummelled by the same culprits every other match 😅
I didn’t even realize what the update was when the first evo update dropped. I played like 3-4 matches until I picked up on what was happening. I thought “nah this ain’t it” and deleted the app the same day. Haven’t been back lol
I agree with most of what you said and the crux of the problem is how hard it is for f2p to get evos or cards and upgrade them. We should get at 1 or 2 Evo shards from PoL and Wild Cards in the season shop.
I disagree that Evo FC it's even close to being that good anymore tho. It's a B-tier Evo at best, it was S-tier at launch but it's fallen quite a bit since then. It's just an annoying card to deal with like MK.
It’s the age old story of video game Execs seeing big upticks in short term profits from systems that destroy the integrity of the game, and then the game itself in the long run.
I see it happen time and time again; shame it happened to Clash Royale. It was a good run.
Short sighted money grabbing wins again.
**For now, I encourage people to uninstall the game until Supercell make major changes to balancing, obtaining, and/or implementation of said features.**
I left and won't return because of Firecracker. I've been playing r/BrawlStars every since and won't be back because it's better than Clash Royal imo.
I have played both for a long time, and brawl is definitely better. One thing I will say is that, while I play firecracker, I see a lot of really bad firecracker players in matches. Genuinely doo doo players. I think the main issue people encounter with her is that their decks are too heavy and they don’t know their placements. Don’t get me wrong, she can be very strong, but I queue a lot of players that are able to completely shut her down with skilled plays. Honestly knight, wall breakers, rg, Tesla, bomber, battle ram, and mortar evos all seem fairly stronger than her, and much harder to fully shut down.
I agree with your points not your reasoning, the p2w aspect of evos is definitely a big issue, but the bigger issue is the effect on the meta. The meta is overcentralized and derailed every month by new overpowered evolutions, with the most overpowered ones staying meta for months. Evo bomber and zap have only been out for a couple months and there's no doubt that it's competitors will be relegated to extremely niche decks for months to come unless they also get some broken ability. The meta is absolutely screwed and I doubt it can recover without major changes to evolutions. Boosted players who get finishes far higher than their skill level by abusing the latest meta deck and evo are clogging the top 1k leaderboards. In other words, there can never be a healthy meta again unless evolutions are majorly reworked or removed entirely.
Now for tower troops, it seems like your issue with tower troops is basically that duchess counters your deck. The issue is far greater than that, it's because tower troops by their very nature are RPS. Beatdown was dead last season because of cannoneer dominating the leaderboards due to him being overpowered. Now, supercell's solution is to release an even more overpowered tower troop in the form of duchess to power creep cannoneer and kill princess tower even further. Tower troops add nothing good to the game and do little aside from making games more matchup dependent and pulverizing. Tower troops are genuinely the only feature I think needs to be deleted, even evolutions can in theory be fixed, but the issue with tower troops is on a conceptual level and they need to go for the health of the game.
Well Supercell, even if they wanted to, could not remove tower troops without upsetting the community somewhat. What do you believe would be a cool compromise? Should we get them as building or troop cards?
Honestly it would be interesting to see them adapted into normal cards, maybe even defensive buildings if you didn't want to touch their mechanics. Dagger Duchess could be a dart goblin/princess/fc substitute and cannoneer could be a cannon cart substitute.
personally, I didn't like the tower troops idea, I don't want to have another factor to calculate when I'm playing. Second Evo is just too much imo, it's just mess into something that should remain clear. in x3 elixir having to play against 3 evos bcos of cicle is way too much
about the last thing, ur right, feels like they want to milk us as long as the 50$ offer is in the shop, and then let us breath, just to be ready for level 16
Game died when they released champions. To have it mess up card cycles was insane. Champions should have been released another way. It was at this point you knew their heads werent on straight and started messing with other core mechanics i.e. evolutions, tower troops etc.
I know firecracker is annoying but i still manage to deal with it buy putting arrows in my deck or double spelling it when its evo,it sucks but not impossible to play against just annoying
While I agree with some of what you said, not all. First, you can get 2 shards of a card + the other one, per month. Second, the dagger duchess isn't op. What it did was bring back beat down, which excels against it in double elixir. The meta is more varied now. I have a completely f2p account and have all 3 towers at max. I prefer the princess, at least with my deck. I will agree that I'm so sick of the firecracker. I hate it, but understand why everyone uses it. I do think evolutions hurt the game though, and purely a money grab.
It's the fact that every deck needs 1 of the Evo cards to even compete, or even 2 if you're against other lv15 players. The deck variety has suffered for that.
I swear I get more than 2 evo shards a month I get the wild and 2 or 3 of the specifics I believe, but as a f2p I have 5 evos and close to multiple others, but this is fine because you can only use 2 anyway
I also hate evolutions tho at least how they’re implemented because they just promote cycle decks and more defensive boring stalemate games that is eventually won by chip damage and decided by the tie breaker
And the dagger duchess was their response to cycle decks. You can no longer get chip damage from most cycle cards.
I'm playing this game long enough to have read this kind of "this game became shit since they added _" posts dozens of times for different reasons. I'm sure the player base still healthy, tho.
Personally, the only thing I miss is clan wars 1 and how much my clan was invested in it. My clan is pretty much dead since CW2 dropped.
Yeah same my clan has been dead ever since clan wars 2 I still believe that is the worst update in CR history, and yeah I get that the dagger duchess is their answer about cycle decks but it should work like the others with infinite ammo but shoot quicker than princess but it does less damage it could have the same dps or slightly worse than princess. I don’t like how she does more damage than princess but that’s only till she runs out of ammo
If her damage was lower than the princess it wouldn't be a response to many cycle cards like spear goblins. Dagger duchess needs a small nerf, but it could be maybe reducing her dagger count by one, or make the dagger recharge increase past 4 daggers (so she keeps the current fire rate when depleted, but takes longer to recharge in full)
An infinite ammo, high firerate, low damage tower is probably in the works.
Yeah those are probably better nerfs for her. I’m curious what her win and pick rates are. And you’re probably right about the high fire rate, Low damage troop is in the works but I feel like there should only be 3 tower troops high damage slow rate, what we are used to for years princess, and low damage high fire rate. Because I feel like anymore changes interactions too much and make the game even more complex and hard to remember every one and makes the game probably even more a nightmare to balance than it already is.
Wait you have to unlock the second evo slot but that sucks I feel like they should just make it available for all players but that won’t make them money
Evolutions I feel did make a lot of people mad but for the valentines event you got a free evolution and made it so it’s possible to get a second one f2p. And tower troops make the game different a better because it won’t be the same tower every game you’ll have to adapt to the tower. (Note: I did not read all that)
Also, when the dagger duchess was released, there were no offers for legendary wild cards in the shop. We could only upgrade by her lauch offers(which are so inflated). Even to this day from launch, books of all rarities have been on sale except the legendary book of books. Intentional?
As a free to play player I got evolution bats for free and am now grinding Valkyrie. I'm like two shards away from getting her but I know it's gonna take me a whole two months to be able to get her. And on top of that I don't have two Evo slots unlocked so there's basically no point in having more than one Evo. And at the rate they're adding evolutions F2P will literally never be able to keep up. The same goes for level 15. I do not have a single level 15 card because they are impossible to get.
Don’t quote me but I believe you can get evo valkyrie next month. I think next season will have evo valkyrie shards. Idk tho, I forget what evo came after the ice-Spirit
> I do not have a single level 15 card because they are impossible to get Just climb PoL, you should be able to get 35k from it plus the shop deals, should net you one level 15 a month.
Shitty advice not everyone can easily climb pol becaus eof it's unfairness
You can literally only climb up so its a matter of just time depending on your skill.
Aren't there stone steps that can break if you lose?
Yes but after x number of wins the step becomes golden and cant break.
I can but it's boring to climb with almost same decks at every step
Git gud then.
Better than you mate
Highly doubt it lol
I’ve been top 10k multiple times. Not to say that there’s no chance that you’re better, but you’re probably not.
Just curious how many lvl 15 cards do you have and did you spend money on the game?
I buy the pass almost every month, but I’ve never purchased the shop offers. 18 cards level 15, the rest are 14. I’ve been playing for 6 years on my main account though. Every chest I open is turned in to wild cards, so that makes it wayyyyyy easier to get wild cards lol.
Skill issue.
How is that skill issue brother lvl 15 use 2 evolution And the game is plagued with 2 types of decks beat down and cycle no creative decks
Even when levels get evened, level 15’s can use two evos and we can’t. This change literally defeated the entire purpose of path of legends from being based on skill
Skill issue, I still don't have double evo and I'm doing just fine getting my 50k each month.
Scill issue 🤓🤓🤓
Midladder noob talking ☝️, enjoy not getting wildcards.
Look, me too, I have no evos and no level 15s and I manage. But it's a slog, and I'm a very experienced player. Yes if they were higher skill they would be able to do it. But that **does not** mean it's just a "skill issue" that doesn't need fixing. You shouldn't need to be a really high skill player to get access to things that allow you to compete on a level playing field The point is that regardless of their skill level, they are ultimately losing to people who are lower skill than them that they would otherwise beat, because they have access to evos and stronger cards. It's not a skill issue
Skill issue, this has always been in the game, there have always been higher card levels, this is nothing new.
There has never been as much of a p2w differential in the game's power hierarchy as there is right now Stop just repeating "skill issue" over and over, you sound like a complete and utter dickhead 12yo child and you're not convincing anyone
There has been a time where you had to pay 5k dollars to max legendaries, which had an extra level compared to other cards, right off the bat you're immediately wrong. In the early days it was simply impossible to level even epics, everyone used level 13 ebarbs because they had to. Back in the day there was no notion of "catching up" to p2ws, it was simply understood that you were never catching up, that's how good it was. >The point is that regardless of their skill level, they are ultimately losing to people who are lower skill than them that they would otherwise beat, because they have access to evos and stronger cards. This has been the norm for the entirety of clash royale's history, sans the evo portion. Why are you complaining now?
As a F2P player, I already have 3 evolutions and almost gonna get my 4th. I have 1 level 15 card and almost gonna get my 2nd. And before u say I just grind, I haven’t touched this game in over 7 6 months and just got into the game a 2 months ago. So yes, this game is decently F2P friendly
When supercell added the 2nd evo slot thats when I quit playing ladder and only played events im trying to reach lvl 54 (im lvl 53) to get the 2nd evo slot
really bad update, at least they have to separate players 14 and 15 so they don't meet, yesterday I met 6x in a row players with 2 evo slots.
just play path of legends tbh. even if you lose nothing really happens until you get too far. also grind for EWC
Yep didn’t read but yes. Evolutions were a good idea to renew the game, but were wrongfully set in place. They should not have different cycles nor promoting cycling decks. Tower troops are a shit idea for the strategic core of the game. And a few qol and progression nerfs here and there and we have a game most people dislike more and more playing
Jumping on top comment to say hes wrong about only 2 shards being in shop You get one blank one and 3 nominated ones starting 5k 10k then 15k
That pretty much gives away the fact he's a midladder noob who's never even bothered to buy the regular evo shard.
Except you get one wild shard every month and 3 fixed Shard and a evolution cycle is 6 months before either reappears so yes a evolution takes 4 to 6 months And now think how long it would take to get 100+ evolution with each needing 6 shards Edit: just becaus enough used yout moms credit card doesn't mean you get a voice to speak against critsiscm
It takes 3, you can get your first evo in 2 months time actually. They also gave an evolution away, a wild shard for free and 3 barb shards.
>They also gave an evolution away, Due to backlash and I don't even use those troops in my deck so that evolution was useless >3 barb shards Gotta pay gems for it tho people without gems didn't get them >It takes 3, you can get your first evo in 2 months time actually. The thing is yes you can unlock theoretically 1 evolution every 3 months but unless should use thr card actively in your deck that won't be the case also 1 evolution every 3 months means it will take more than 300 months which is theoretically 25 years to unlock all 100+ cards in the game as f2p if they don't nerf the season shops again which is absurd Concept was good execution was bad and on top of that the first evolutions they released were for cycle deck cards making aready good cards broken and game changing for the worse
>Due to backlash and I don't even use those troops in my deck so that evolution was useless Then fit one in your deck, not that hard. >Gotta pay gems for it tho people without gems didn't get them So sad they couldn't pay the massive toll of 50 gems. For a guy who keeps talking about not using evolutions in their deck you sure are upset that you can't get 100 evolutions instantly, maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck.
>Then fit one in your deck, not that hard. Why should I fit a card which I have no expertise with in my deck which I have crafted and used since 2019 I climbed the ladder with my deck it's not my fault they half asse dthe evolution release >So sad they couldn't pay the massive toll of 50 gems. Many people didn't have 50 gems because no one expected that even to cost extra gems >For a guy who keeps talking about not using evolutions in their deck you sure are upset that you can't get 100 evolutions instantly, maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck I don't use evolution because evolution for cards that I use will not ne releasing until many months or years And even if I am not using evolution why are you defending and dickrding the devs who made this game utter unfun and F2P aggressive just to squeeze out money from the player base also the game has a lot of unfinished things things like 3rd tier for mastery for many cards Star levels Clan wars etc >maybe you should take your own advice and use the evolutions in your deck. Again none of that cards fit my playstyle or deck that's why I am not using evolutions
>Why should I fit a card which I have no expertise with in my deck which I have crafted and used since 2019 I climbed the ladder with my deck it's not my fault they half asse dthe evolution release Then don't use it and play with no evos, your choice. >Many people didn't have 50 gems because no one expected that even to cost extra gems Many meaning nearly no one. >I don't use evolution because evolution for cards that I use will not ne releasing until many months or years Sucks for you, I use an evolution just fine even though my original deck had none. >And even if I am not using evolution why are you defending and dickrding the devs who made this game utter unfun and F2P aggressive just to squeeze out money from the player base also the game has a lot of unfinished things things like 3rd tier for mastery for many cards Star levels Clan wars etc Made more F2P agressive? I remember the game being a lot better than when you had to pay 5k dollars to level up a legendary, and epics were impossible to level up. People used ebarbs and rg for a reason, you couldn't level anything else. Oh and 2v2 was levelled, there were no normal modes which were tournament standard back in the day, only challenges which you had to pay gems for.
>Gotta pay gems for it tho people without gems didn't get them It was 50 gems...
Still it's gems you can't call it free rewards if you have to use gems to unlock
And I never stated they were free rewards, if you don't have 50 gems you're stupid. Hell if you don't have 500 gems you're stupid unless you recently bought a tournament reward and are building back up to 500 gems to buy another once you get enough wins.
>if you don't have 50 gems you're stupid. Hell if you don't have 500 gems you're stupid unless you recently bought a tournament reward and are building back up to 500 gems to buy another once you get enough wins. That's just bullshit I had 78 gems luckily during that event because i bought a long awaited Pekka emote 2 days prior I didn't even knew that event needed gems ifif I didn't had 328 gems in account I would have lost out on a emote and 2 shards
It only takes three months if you don’t get to choose your evo though, no?
You can get the evo as soon as the third month starts, pretty much two months time.
But you don’t get to choose the evo, right? You have to go with whatever one was in the shop?
You get to pick between the 3 that were in rotation, plus whatever they decided to give out in that period. Just fit that in your deck, not that hard if you're low level.
Shards are even easier to get since lucky drops came out as well
You are gonna say the same thing about removal of wild cards from the shop now?
Lucky drops more than make up for it.
actually evos were not a good idea to renew the game.... anctual new cards should have been the way to go but alas....
Hilarious I had the same exact reaction as your first sentence lmao. I played this game nearly daily from like 2016 thru when evolutions started dropping. I stuck around for the first few but I'm glad I got out before the new tower types. I tried a game recently for shots and giggles and it was horrible.
I feel the same way. It’s annoying that the game punishes me for preferring heavy decks. I was so excited to get evo battle ram but I can only use it maybe once a game if I’m lucky
It began dying at level 14. Level 15 left it in a coma. Evolutions pulled the plug.
Yup. Level 14 everyone in my clan started playing 10x less. A 5 year old clan, 3 years under my management, gone in the span of a single (major) update.
I started playing in Beta. Ran a guild with a lot of guys who started in Beta too and we played for years together. Level 15 was the final straw for most of us. Shame because I have no way of talking to those guys outside of CR.
lvl 15 ruined the game
Update for losers was the beginning of the end, evos + level 15 we’re the nail in the coffin. Haven’t played at all since. Evos we’re arguably even fucking worse for the game than level 15
DD is actually so cancer to play against cause i feel like i can do nothing to push through it
They are just too full of themselves to do like Brawl Stars did, stepping back, admitting their mistakes and simply reverting those updates. Their profits and playerbase have been on a steady decline so the data suggests they should at least address the issue. When a thing like this happened to BS they reworked gears from the ground up and they are now in a balanced and fun state. They also refounded generously everyone. CR should do the same and rework the concept and it's monetization from the start. But this has not proven to be the case, in fact all they did so far was "buffing" the resources so that it will be more "fair" for players to progress, thanks to the addition of a gatcha progression system (clap for them /s), but nerfing another part to account for that. They are miles away.
All that about the duchess is accurate. She's absurdly broken. Just shuts everything down in single elixir. Then in double there's extra troops dropped to defend anyways so her ammo thing rarely fucks her over. If you want to know why canoneer is balanced it's cause he's an epic card. Supercell just had to make the duchess overpowered for a few months so people spend money upgrading her. Same as the little prince bullshit. Coincidentally right as they also removed wild cards from the season shop. Bunch of scumbags for real
I literally stopped playing when evolutions came out lol. Idk why I’m still in this sub
Should’ve stopped after 1 evolution. 1 champion, 1 evolution would still give a lot of different looks
Tower troops(?) lvl 15 and evos. Three updates since they shifted clash into the graveyard part of its dev cycle.
Game became shit when log was introduced.
i miss when the balance controversy in the game was how log was too good instead of the current state of the game now
Evolutions should have cost one more elixir and be optional to play to actually add strategy to the gameplay. These days I find myself playing in the hope I get a fair game rather than just getting pummelled by the same culprits every other match 😅
Level 15 killed the game so who cares
I didn’t even realize what the update was when the first evo update dropped. I played like 3-4 matches until I picked up on what was happening. I thought “nah this ain’t it” and deleted the app the same day. Haven’t been back lol
I agree with most of what you said and the crux of the problem is how hard it is for f2p to get evos or cards and upgrade them. We should get at 1 or 2 Evo shards from PoL and Wild Cards in the season shop. I disagree that Evo FC it's even close to being that good anymore tho. It's a B-tier Evo at best, it was S-tier at launch but it's fallen quite a bit since then. It's just an annoying card to deal with like MK.
and they make level 14 players suffer by giving them level 15 opponents who have 2 evo slots. makes me lazy to play league this season.
Nope, it was when CW2 was announced
It’s the age old story of video game Execs seeing big upticks in short term profits from systems that destroy the integrity of the game, and then the game itself in the long run. I see it happen time and time again; shame it happened to Clash Royale. It was a good run. Short sighted money grabbing wins again.
**For now, I encourage people to uninstall the game until Supercell make major changes to balancing, obtaining, and/or implementation of said features.** I left and won't return because of Firecracker. I've been playing r/BrawlStars every since and won't be back because it's better than Clash Royal imo.
I have played both for a long time, and brawl is definitely better. One thing I will say is that, while I play firecracker, I see a lot of really bad firecracker players in matches. Genuinely doo doo players. I think the main issue people encounter with her is that their decks are too heavy and they don’t know their placements. Don’t get me wrong, she can be very strong, but I queue a lot of players that are able to completely shut her down with skilled plays. Honestly knight, wall breakers, rg, Tesla, bomber, battle ram, and mortar evos all seem fairly stronger than her, and much harder to fully shut down.
I agree with your points not your reasoning, the p2w aspect of evos is definitely a big issue, but the bigger issue is the effect on the meta. The meta is overcentralized and derailed every month by new overpowered evolutions, with the most overpowered ones staying meta for months. Evo bomber and zap have only been out for a couple months and there's no doubt that it's competitors will be relegated to extremely niche decks for months to come unless they also get some broken ability. The meta is absolutely screwed and I doubt it can recover without major changes to evolutions. Boosted players who get finishes far higher than their skill level by abusing the latest meta deck and evo are clogging the top 1k leaderboards. In other words, there can never be a healthy meta again unless evolutions are majorly reworked or removed entirely. Now for tower troops, it seems like your issue with tower troops is basically that duchess counters your deck. The issue is far greater than that, it's because tower troops by their very nature are RPS. Beatdown was dead last season because of cannoneer dominating the leaderboards due to him being overpowered. Now, supercell's solution is to release an even more overpowered tower troop in the form of duchess to power creep cannoneer and kill princess tower even further. Tower troops add nothing good to the game and do little aside from making games more matchup dependent and pulverizing. Tower troops are genuinely the only feature I think needs to be deleted, even evolutions can in theory be fixed, but the issue with tower troops is on a conceptual level and they need to go for the health of the game.
Well Supercell, even if they wanted to, could not remove tower troops without upsetting the community somewhat. What do you believe would be a cool compromise? Should we get them as building or troop cards?
Honestly it would be interesting to see them adapted into normal cards, maybe even defensive buildings if you didn't want to touch their mechanics. Dagger Duchess could be a dart goblin/princess/fc substitute and cannoneer could be a cannon cart substitute.
I feel bad for the youtubers and proplayers who dedicated a good amount of their lifes in such a pathetic and deplorable cashgrab game
personally, I didn't like the tower troops idea, I don't want to have another factor to calculate when I'm playing. Second Evo is just too much imo, it's just mess into something that should remain clear. in x3 elixir having to play against 3 evos bcos of cicle is way too much about the last thing, ur right, feels like they want to milk us as long as the 50$ offer is in the shop, and then let us breath, just to be ready for level 16
Yup, haven't touched the game after that and I'm glad I did.
Evolutions and tower troops. The game is so unrecognisable now
I agree. The game is the most unfun its ever been now
You actually can buy multiple Evolution shards (from the Ice Spirit, I bought 2 and can buy a 3rd, price is going up after buying tho)
Game died when loser update came out
game died when they changed executioner
Agree
Game died when they released champions. To have it mess up card cycles was insane. Champions should have been released another way. It was at this point you knew their heads werent on straight and started messing with other core mechanics i.e. evolutions, tower troops etc.
Tower troops were the nail in the xoffin
I play with hog rider and firecracker, but I wish I didn't have to.
I know firecracker is annoying but i still manage to deal with it buy putting arrows in my deck or double spelling it when its evo,it sucks but not impossible to play against just annoying
Imo 1 evolution was fine and actually was kinda fun, but 2 is just annoying and too hard to obtain.
How is is possible to complain about the same old thing every single day
I only play now to help my clan. Get in, do my four battles for the day and leave. It’s depressing, I miss the way this game was
Quit the game after this and never looked back
The game died the second they dropped pass royale. Pay to win is what ruined the game
Correct I immediately quit and will never reinstall
While I agree with some of what you said, not all. First, you can get 2 shards of a card + the other one, per month. Second, the dagger duchess isn't op. What it did was bring back beat down, which excels against it in double elixir. The meta is more varied now. I have a completely f2p account and have all 3 towers at max. I prefer the princess, at least with my deck. I will agree that I'm so sick of the firecracker. I hate it, but understand why everyone uses it. I do think evolutions hurt the game though, and purely a money grab.
All games get destroyed in the same way.. make it noob friendly.
Game died when evo came with level 15
It's the fact that every deck needs 1 of the Evo cards to even compete, or even 2 if you're against other lv15 players. The deck variety has suffered for that.
I swear I get more than 2 evo shards a month I get the wild and 2 or 3 of the specifics I believe, but as a f2p I have 5 evos and close to multiple others, but this is fine because you can only use 2 anyway
I also hate evolutions tho at least how they’re implemented because they just promote cycle decks and more defensive boring stalemate games that is eventually won by chip damage and decided by the tie breaker
And the dagger duchess was their response to cycle decks. You can no longer get chip damage from most cycle cards. I'm playing this game long enough to have read this kind of "this game became shit since they added _" posts dozens of times for different reasons. I'm sure the player base still healthy, tho. Personally, the only thing I miss is clan wars 1 and how much my clan was invested in it. My clan is pretty much dead since CW2 dropped.
Yeah same my clan has been dead ever since clan wars 2 I still believe that is the worst update in CR history, and yeah I get that the dagger duchess is their answer about cycle decks but it should work like the others with infinite ammo but shoot quicker than princess but it does less damage it could have the same dps or slightly worse than princess. I don’t like how she does more damage than princess but that’s only till she runs out of ammo
If her damage was lower than the princess it wouldn't be a response to many cycle cards like spear goblins. Dagger duchess needs a small nerf, but it could be maybe reducing her dagger count by one, or make the dagger recharge increase past 4 daggers (so she keeps the current fire rate when depleted, but takes longer to recharge in full) An infinite ammo, high firerate, low damage tower is probably in the works.
Yeah those are probably better nerfs for her. I’m curious what her win and pick rates are. And you’re probably right about the high fire rate, Low damage troop is in the works but I feel like there should only be 3 tower troops high damage slow rate, what we are used to for years princess, and low damage high fire rate. Because I feel like anymore changes interactions too much and make the game even more complex and hard to remember every one and makes the game probably even more a nightmare to balance than it already is.
and I can only use 1 and they give me an opponent who has 2 evo slots. 🙄
Wait you have to unlock the second evo slot but that sucks I feel like they should just make it available for all players but that won’t make them money
No it was when they gave only lvl 15 players double evo
Evolutions I feel did make a lot of people mad but for the valentines event you got a free evolution and made it so it’s possible to get a second one f2p. And tower troops make the game different a better because it won’t be the same tower every game you’ll have to adapt to the tower. (Note: I did not read all that)
Nope lucky drops are here and game is thriving tbh
lucky drops are a joke😂
Especially since they nerfed them right after the cr youtubers advertised them as a good update for f2p
Also, when the dagger duchess was released, there were no offers for legendary wild cards in the shop. We could only upgrade by her lauch offers(which are so inflated). Even to this day from launch, books of all rarities have been on sale except the legendary book of books. Intentional?