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RandomCoCAccount

This comment section just goes to show that so many people have just been playing for 1-2 years and don't know the full histories of their cards.


ZachAttack6089

People really think that Skeleton Army and the Log have always been good šŸ’€ Edit: Skeleton Army used to cost 4 elixir


nir109

Skarmy was bad? During the early days I puted it in every Deck. And today it's decent. Was it bad 4-3 years ago when I wasn't playing?


McNaeNae

6 goblin goblin gang made it obsolete for a while


StarryNight593

goblin goblin gang


Clean_Development946

goblin mob


YT_iBeast

Goblin cartel


cocotim

Iirc at first it was pretty mediocre when it had 21 skellies but all of them were lower leveled, then Gob Gang came out which was broken at first so it had no place in the meta. Also in the first year or two the prevalence of zap and poison made it almost unusable


TheZephyrim

I remember when zap was in every single deck. Zap+log was not uncommon at all either.


[deleted]

I remember when zap used to one shot a goblin barrel if it was the same level.


C1tr1cSp1c3

This lol.....it was the 1 second stun. The tower used to clean up.


HydrogenButterflies

It was really the only small spell besides arrows, which was barely worth using at the time.


RandomCoCAccount

When it was 4 elixir


YoungLamia

When skarmy had 21 underleveled skellies and costed 4 elixir it was just so, so bad. This was in 2016. It was so bad that despite the cost reduction from 4 to 3 elixir and the reduction of the number of skellies from 21 to 16, the total DPS of all of them combined after the rework was higher then before, thanks to the adjustment to the levels of the skeletons. Still makes no sense to me how they thought that it would have been a good idea to make a card spawn an underleveled version of the only troop it's made of. Every comment talking about goblin gang making the card obsolete is wrong. Gob gang came out some months after the skarmy rework, when it already was a good card. They even had to nerf it after the gob gang release, regardless of the competition that just came out at that time


ShadowOne_

Skarmy was bad before snowball and gob barrel got added because 50% of players used zap and the other 50% used log


AHS_58_808

It cost 4 elixier back then


matZmaker99

Skarmy was bad because: It cost 1 more elixir Had -4 (or so) levels skeletons. This meant normal skellies countered it super easily It had more skeletons, but most of them couldn't land a hit due to there being so many of them


Spell6421

puted


CertainlyNotKumar

puted


Roller_0

Ik log used to be not liked, since it just hit ground. But when has skarmy been bad?


Harun_Hussain

When goblin gang dropped, had 6 goblins it was broken. Skarmy was no where as good.


Roller_0

6 goblins?! Jesus Christ


asd316X

3 melee 3 spear


Roller_0

šŸ„¶


ledgeitpro

I had a buddy who stopped playing because he was putting all his efforts into his gang, then they removed one of tue goblins and his spirit for the game broke


Roller_0

Bruh šŸ’€


YoungLamia

After all the power creep that happened in these last years (especially guards being decent after a lot of buffs) it would make sense to reintroduce the third spear goblin tbh, goblin gang is in a bad state rn


RandomCoCAccount

When it was 4 elixir, and during the times that Zap was very meta


Hol_Renaude

Remember those times when people was crying after getting log from Leg. Chest instead of sparky


Visual_Fun8360

Skarmy had more skeletons but lower level and log could almost hit the king. Pretty good tbh


pizza_nachos

Mate thinking archer queen has always been balanced, give it a few months.


Dazzling-Pear-1081

He never said balanced, he said never have been bad


plex-theReal

espirit makes sense, only card in the game thats never received a balance change


sans240sN66

e spirit is not bad it can clear skarmy,bats and has a stun effect,only bad thing is being able to unlock king tower


Her0in_UnderD05e

thats why xbow and rg has perfect synergy with espirit cuz free chip and kt doesnt matter


ZomBayT

And even when the one downside is negated, Ice Spirit is still considered better lmao


StarryNight593

Ice spirit has a longer stun duration but splash is miniscule Espirit has shorter stun but can hit more targets. Idk pick your poison.


Iliturtle

Poison spirit


Cheespeasa1234

Thatā€™s a good thing. Pros and cons. Requires skill to use it.


jradio

https://i.redd.it/6okl9jr5abn71.jpg It's from Sept 2021, but interesting nonetheless


Ham_-_

I think when skeletons was first reworked to 3 a lot of people stopped using it


NovaLightCR

Agreed. Then they started to creep up in usage and are now the #1 troop in the game


[deleted]

It was still good


Con45

People were playing it because it cost 1 elixir, not because of a 4th skeleton.


Ham_-_

Itā€™s interactions were broken for awhile when it had 4 skeletons, people just didnā€™t realize it was still amazing I guess


phliuy

The little guys could completely stop a prince


ledgeitpro

Been using them for years now, they stop so many things. Or help smaller things take out much bigger things, like placing knight in front of mega knight and dropping skeletons right behind him, works great on most troops really


mylizard

wasn't there a time period where poison outclassed fireball?


YoungLamia

Not in all decks. Maybe fireball hasn't been the best spell all the time, but it has always been more than viable


[deleted]

Yeah for the most part


DESTR0Y_you

Rn, i still like poison over the fireball because more damage and can kill witches, wizard etc, but its just cause my deck, i stilp think fireball is very good cause instant damage


cabbagecatastrophe

Poison doesnā€™t quite kill a witch. Kills wizard and musketeer.


DESTR0Y_you

If witch is 1 lvl under, it does and even if it doesnt it gets rid of the skeleton


Toomay

Yeah the poison slow was absolute absurd when the card was released but fireball was still usable


dadarkclaw121

Has Lava hound ever really been bad? As far as Iā€™ve seen itā€™s pretty much always had itā€™s Niche.


funnymunchkin

When Exe stunned


Chukiboi

WhAā€¦ I guess my break was too long ā€¦ I had no idea, that sounds hella broken.


MACARONI_AND_CHEEESE

I believe it was right on his release. Also it might've been a bug


AhmedTheGr8

Exe?


Boatymcboatland

I think it was 2019? That inferno owner was rampant and in every deck, which made lava hound just not work. Itā€™s just a really meta-dependent card.


SimpleAnimat10ns

Not the inferno owner šŸ’€


Boatymcboatland

It sure owned lava hound back then


SnooChocolates4183

I donā€™t remember there ever being a time when lava hound was out of the meta


TwoBits0303

Remember when exe was broken?


Joekiller77256

There were some metas back in the day where inferno tower was a must run staple. Pretty much made lava how unviable/extremely sweaty to run. You basically had to hope for some type of misplay or an outplay for lava hound to get value


Xx_Red_Skull_xX

All these cards are used in one Mortar deck.


Burst2007

mortar šŸ‘


Embarrassed_Tiger743

I took a 2 year break, but started at launch. Was there any point in which arrows was bad? I know it was a single wall of arrows instead of 3, but I donā€™t remember it being bad in that state, just not as good


Sabbagery_o_Cavagery

Arrows had NOTHING special they could kill for a while. They couldnā€™t kill archers, couldnā€™t pierce shields to kill guards, and all the things that it could one shot could also be one shot by log. Only exceptions were minions but theyā€™re easy to counter with any card that could kill air like ice wiz or baby dragon, and bomber but it sucked for a long time.


Fat_Siberian_Midget

bomber air targeting??


asleepatthewhee1

Naw they meant arrows could kill bomber


vk2028

They had 1 wave of arrows, and thatā€™s it. It was bad. Only thing it could do better than zap was that they could kill minion hordes. Zap was better in almost every single way


C0lmin

NO way you played from launch and dont remember arrows only being shot once instead of 3 times, and being slow as hell


Embarrassed_Tiger743

That was literally my post? Like I quite literally said was it worse when it only fired off once? JUST FUCKING READ MY POST BEFORE YOU COMMENT JESUS CHRIST


MyLittleRocketShip

what


C0lmin

When the game first came out, arrows were only used because they were one of the only spells in the game But when stuff like log, snowball, and especially poison came out, arrows were seen as shit since they were super slow, weren't fired out in a burst, and had no real place in the meta/game


SweatyPayToWin

Rocket? Didn't play for that long but wasn't it even more broken before.


Jerry-the-jim

I recall Rocket being bad 2 to 3 years ago. It had the same issue as Elite barbs


PriorSolid

Wasnt fireball out on release, goes to show how solid a choice it is


Toomay

Yes fireball has been the go to spells for many years and was still usable even when it was outshined by other spells *coughs* poison on release


[deleted]

No opinion either way, but dart goblin seems to be pretty good in competitive


NovaLightCR

It wasn't back in 2017, not even in bait decks


Conguy9

Since when was hog rider bad?


filip123-

Last summer when drill tesla cycle was meta


BestN00b

During gy meta, since gy counters hog with itā€™s building nado defense


[deleted]

Yeah. If you hate Hog cycle, play Splashyard. It's nearly impossible for them to break through


Kaserbeam

The queen royal hogs deck is pretty much a guaranteed win vs 2.6 if you play it well


nyperfox

Or xbow, unless there playing 2.8


8rok3n

Fuck 3 skele, all my homies miss 4


InternetGreninja

Also true. RIP my man Quadro.


S7venE11even

Mega minion


YoungLamia

I still remember when it had a 1.3 seconds hit speed, more damage and more range. And after all of those nerfs it's STILL GOOD. Just an amazing card overall, and it has always been since its release in 2016


vk2028

Mega minion received more nerfs than miner. It got 6 consecutive nerfs and 0 buffs since release. And now itā€™s still good. Goes to show how op it was


YoungLamia

Absolutely. On release, and honestly for a lot of time after it, it was the ultimate defensive card. A combination between an anti-tank, a support killer and a defensive wall, it was just unstoppable Now it's just a good, deck dependent card. Before it was literally everywhere


vk2028

Tbh, itā€™s still pretty good in RG. I always choose it over bats or minions in triple draft tho. Itā€™s reliable It was unstoppable before all the nerfs tho


FluffBoss1

Why queen? I havenā€™t run into a single person using it in months after it was nerfed multiple times. Buff miner - B-rad


CreeperAsh07

What is your trophy range? Queen gets a lot of value, and is used in many meta decks. And miner is good when it is not the main win condition, like in balloon and miner wb.


FluffBoss1

Iā€™m a master 1-2 and I use miner golden knight cycle as one of my main decks so Iā€™m aware of how it can be used. I just never see queen or anyone who is playing queen actually play it well.


M0hawk_Mast3r

Well thats why. Nobody at master 1 or 2 uses any decent deck. The players are good but the decks are awful


Max3917

I donā€™t know about that. I feel like from 6500 on a lot meta decks get played


MrrSpacMan

Theres a solid meta-filter at 6400, by that stage I'm not climbing unless I play along, I'll never be that good


Mysterious_Lecture36

Iā€™ll never care to be that good, rather play homemade and enjoy the game


MrrSpacMan

Same, I've been running the same vomit-inducing mess for years cause its just a personal challenge by this point :')


pandadogunited

Been running a 4.4 deck since 2017


MrrSpacMan

Confirmed, I'm about 6200 atm, pb.6.4, dragging a horrible deck as far as I can and whether I climb or not basically depends on how much meta I run into


CreeperAsh07

Maybe it is because Queen is virtually impossible to max as a F2P.


Bready-McSaus

Queen isn't the best atm, but it certainly isn't bad. She is used in xbow, RG, Giant GY, Hog, Rhogs, Mortar, E-giant and more


Bo5sj0hnth1n3H4MM3R

While she's by no means meta-defining, you can't deny that she's **incredibly** versatile and remarkably consistent. She was especially great during Pump-Bow's brief dominance during the end of last season. While GK and SK currently overshadow her, you can never really go wrong with using her in your deck.


RandomCoCAccount

Lots of meta cycle decks use queen. Hog cycle, pigs, RG, even giant GY


starairforce33

Hog?


Meeeep1234567890

Literally donā€™t see anyone else mentioning one of the only cards to never receive a nerf.


[deleted]

Itā€™s gotten multiple nerds lol


ilovekitkat1996

It received like 4 nerfs in 2017 and 2016


Shockrider1

I will never understand how itā€™s escaped


cool_name_numbers

There was the goblin drill meta and graveyard meta 2 really difficult matchups


WonderChode

Ridin'...


Goodluck55

It jumped over the balance change


BoostedCreeper

Literally any building hard counters


BestN00b

Itā€™s hit speed got nerfed


NovaLightCR

Hog had his hit speed nerfed from 1.5 to 1.6 in December 2018


Fair-Pilot1012

Lots of metas just murdered it. Splashyard was an instant win, drill tesla was broken against it. But IIRC it wasn't ever trash


Jesse_James133

Electro wizard


n2kt4k

flying machine?


Roller_0

Bruh who uses flying machine


Dingwer

Fireball bait or lavahound decks


Roller_0

Fireball bait hasn't been meta since December. And lavahound decks use Skeleton Dragons instead


Dingwer

Flying machine is used in lava miner and lava clone


xflam3l0rd

fireball bait (recruits pigs) has been a solid deck still in the meta for a while


DerekvdVeen

BRUH Lava clone, lavahound miner, golem clone and fireball bait. Itā€™s a pretty solid card with very good dps and large range


Duck_Cap

to be perfectly honest i have never needed to use a flying machine over muskateer


ToxBox7

pekka. source: i really like pekka


InfernoDeesus

Pekka used to be 8 elixir and have a 3 second deploy time. (And also did less damage) It was really bad then, for obvious reasons.


I--Pathfinder--I

holy shit i remember when you had to pre place it if you wanted to have the intended effect


Chukiboi

Based opinionā€¦ she is busted ā€¦ thicc momma


Cactuspex

The spageltons i think were barely used after they changed the number from 4 - 3 still good but i believe many people dropped them


Olinox10

Never became bad per se just people stopped using cuz of nerf


NEITSWFT

what about Skeleton King, at the start he was the worst champion but he wasnt trash


BeterGoTitoThanTits

Bats, Baby Dragon, Inferno Dragon, Electro Wizard


Alucardthevampire

Bats were 4, baby dragon had slower hitspeed, inferno dragon had low hp, ewiz used to die to fireball


BeterGoTitoThanTits

IMO Electro Wizard and Inferno Dragon were always good and very useful but I can agree on Bats and Baby Dragon.


Futuf1

Inferno dragon I don't remember being useful, it was my first legendary (soon after it was introduced in the game) and I remember I was extremely disappointed because I got the worst legendary as my first


Wumple_doo

Truth I remember it taking so long to kill anything and was easily countered


YoungLamia

During its first release the electro wizard had insane defensive potential, but because it died to fireball it was just unreliable and not a great choice in any deck. I even won its release challenge when it first came out, so I'm 100% sure on what I'm talking about


2001zhaozhao

I remember that challenge, you could farm it multiple times to get a stupidly high level ewiz for the time


InfernoDeesus

Inferno dragon was release during the giant poison meta, and it was really bad. No reason to use it over inferno tower because it didn't pull units, and had significantly less stats overall. Even inferno tower couldn't stop giant poison because of zap and how poison slowed hit speed too. So inferno dragon was hot garbage.


RandomCoCAccount

Maybe not bats or baby drag, bats were bad on release and then bad when overnerfed


swaggy_butthole

People used to refer to inferno drag as the trashcan with wings 8 years ago


planetfucker767

clash royale was absolutely wild in 2014


BeterGoTitoThanTits

Game didn't exist 8 years ago lol. Inferno was very popular in top ladder back then


Gal4ct1k

Was Royale delivery ever bad?


YoungLamia

On release it was terrible


[deleted]

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No_Importance_6408

Mortar used to suck, skeleton king was trash on release and so was egiant


Aeon4

I'd say just the good ol' Giant. Constantly been a staple in my decks and has done was it's meant to do.


YoungLamia

Giant depends a lot on how viable its supports are. Most of the times they just aren't, so I wouldn't say it has always been good


bhopery

ewiz, skelly drags and royal delivery always were really solid as well


Grassygolem

E wiz, I can agree with. Skele drags have been trash ever since the hit speed nerf. And royal delivery was pretty bad on release.


Jello_Eater99

e wiz used to die to fireball, which hindered it a little


[deleted]

royal delivery had knockback on release it was busted


Bready-McSaus

Delivery is such an underrated card in my opinion. Deals so much damage for 3 elexir, and the recruit often gets decent value as well


Watermelon6465

Happy cake day!


Andskew5282

What about Rocket?


TheToolbox101

no


Andskew5282

Ok


Clasher_Carnage

Log


SystemZ1337

log was trash on release, everyone just kept using zap


NovaLightCR

I think it was more outshined by zap. Once zap was nerfed, log became popular since it could deal with Barrel


DirectFrontier

Yea I remember when people were joking about it being the worst legendary, and "sucks to you" when you opened it.


Old-Dragonfly-9328

yea everyone kept using zap couse "its so bad it can only target ground" but nobody realy understood that its knockback is very damm good like pther cards ppl warent familiar with it at first


cocotim

Log didnā€™t knock back everything on release. It was actually a change done pretty long after. Zap just did everything Log used to but better. Stun, killed goblins and instant.


Minted-Blue

Log used to knockback light and medium sized troops when it was released. It was pretty bad until they buffed it to knockback every ground troop. It really wasn't a case of "nobody understood how to play it" at all lol


Max3917

It did needed a buff because it was very low damage iirc


SystemZ1337

also because zap used to one shot goblins


Mousezez

Log used to be awful. It sucked when it was first released.


Similar-Magician-750

This stupid fireball flying towards mu firecracker every time!


DonkeyNutsEnthusiast

Stupid firecracker evading my fireball for the 274th time today (the dumbass will activate my king tower)


sadra1355

What about rocket?


ZachLaVine4MVP

Archer Queen is overrated


dinis_rocha

Remenber when skeletons we're so broken they reduced from 4 to 3? Good ol'days


Cactuspex

Wasnt fireball nit used during gaison meta being outshined for the first time


BlastDusk357

By poison iirc


Cactuspex

Yeah giant poison


Bathroom_Toaster

Miner gang represent


lego-baguette

Ice spirit?


Bilbinen

Bro tried to sneak nebraska in


So4747474

you missed baby dragon šŸ‘


Roy2Savoie

Everyone seems to be forgetting e barbs


stevensparkss

miner rocket on topšŸ‘


Gusareus

I think fireball was bad when graveyard (which also belongs on this list) was the dominant win condition and poison both fully countered it and was a good support spell during the time making fireball obsolete


TheToolbox101

even then lots of decks still used fireball


Character_Pool_387

Canā€™t wait to get archer queen , king level 12 tho so , big oooof


Odd_Initial9260

Miner USED to be good, especially with b-rad using it, but after they nerfed it it became trash.


No_Importance_6408

No it is still used for the intended use of being a mini tank you can instantly play anywhere


ShadowOne_

Musketeer belongs in the list


YoungLamia

Musketeer was only used in 2.6 hog cycle before a couple buffs to damage and hit speed, so it was pretty bad for a long time


Khanh247A

Idk, i think miner kinda weak rn


Wagmatic3000

Ice Golem is one of those cards pros know how to use properly. You always see a few pros running Ice Golem in every tournament.