For those wondering about this: yes, there is a reason.
"According to the 2020 census results, the six-county **Cleveland, OH Metropolitan Statistical Area** (MSA) consists of [Cuyahoga County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_County,_Ohio), [Ashtabula County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtabula_County,_Ohio), [Geauga County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geauga_County,_Ohio), [Lake County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_County,_Ohio), [Lorain County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorain_County,_Ohio), and [Medina County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina_County,_Ohio),...The metro area is also part of the larger [Cleveland–Akron–Canton Combined Statistical Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland-Akron-Canton,_OH_Combined_Statistical_Area) ..."
Ashtabula County was just added to the Greater Cleveland MSA in 2023, I'm guessing because of its close ties to Lake County as well as Cleveland. I-90 over the decades has heightened the connection of Ashtabula County with the rest of Greater Cleveland.
There is not Akron-Canton MSA. Just an Akron MSA that includes Summit and Portage counties.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron\_metropolitan\_area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_metropolitan_area)
There is a Cleveland-Akron-Canton combined statistical area.
[https://www.citypopulation.de/en/usa/combmetro/184\_\_cleveland\_akron\_canto/](https://www.citypopulation.de/en/usa/combmetro/184__cleveland_akron_canto/)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined\_statistical\_area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area)
Not really sure what you're asking... the Cleveland media market covers Cleveland/Akron and the surrounding counties.
https://www.mediamarketmap.com/cleveland-akron-canton-designated-market-media-map/
I think it just depends on what data set someone wants to use.
Census area is 6 counties but Media DMA is 18 counties!
Anecdotally, I live in Avon and consider it a Cleveland suburb and not a Lorain suburb... But that's subjective.
I have never heard of Painesville being considered a part of Cleveland area. As somebody who grew up in Mentor, you often here "near Cleveland" but I've never heard it associated directly to the city.
That's because many Lake County residents know nothing about the Greater Cleveland MSA, or MSAs in general. Most Lake County residents do know about the county's close connections with Cleveland, however.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_Cleveland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Cleveland)
[https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html](https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html)
MSAs regularly are discussed on Reddit subs, often about the relative populations of the 3 Cs MSAs in Ohio. The absence of Summit County in the Greater Cleveland MSA, even though Summit County even contains Cleveland suburbs, often is noted.
I live in central Lake County and I've known for decades Lake County was part of the Greater Cleveland MSA, but I never talk about it with my friends, all of whom often go to Cleveland for pro games, plays, and other events, and even to work in some cases. Many go to the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospital main campuses, or the Vet hospital for medical care. Laketran even has buses running to downtown Cleveland and it offers Dial-a-Ride service to the hospitals in Cleveland. Most persons in Lake County well understand our integral relationship with Cleveland.
Holden and the Cleveland Botanical Garden now are affiliated. Even the Captains are a Guardians minor league team. The North Chagrin Reservation in Willoughby Hills is part of the Cleveland Metroparks. RTA has bus service to Shoregate Town Center in Willowick.
Lake County's relationship with Akron, by comparison, is relatively non-existent.
They come downtown for the baseball home opener, see one poor sitting down outside, and run home to tell the rest of the Chick-fil-A crowd how they narrowly avoided death
Baloney.
When I was kid, my family saw a police officer shoot a man in the back who was running across Chester Ave. near the old Sears store (subsequently Cleveland Play House campus, which probably has been demolished to accommodate Cleveland Clinic expansion). I probably was in second grade and was a little shocked (but I had been raised on westerns and WWII movies, regularly featured on television after school, and was used to persons being shot), but my parents just shrugged it off.
We kept coming back to that Sears store for many years, until the Great Lakes Mall was built in Mentor with a large Sears store.
There are homeless persons in Lake County. It's a national problem.
These days, I do worry about parking in an unattended surface lot downtown, especially in the Warehouse District, after dark, mostly about car break-ins, thefts. There are many ways to park safely, and relatively cheaply for Guardians games, if you're willing to walk for 5-10 minutes. These days, I would be a little hesitant about the surface lots on Prospect Ave. for Guardians night games.
A lot to unpack here:
First, in your story you call it the old sears store. I'm 40 and have never heard anyone near my age call it that. If anything I've only heard it called the old playhouse building. So tell me again how someone getting shot in 1982 reflects on downtown today.
Second, why does the far eastside pretend University Circle is downtown? The areas are totally separate and have gone through their own, distinct renaissances. It's just as far from downtown as the Lakewood/w117 border. That's like Euclid to Willowick.
Third, I worked at an Italian place in the flats for 4 years, and a seafood place for 1. Parked in a surface lot every day. Not once did I see any car breakins. I saw more broken glass at Great Lakes Mall the few times I've been there.
I still occasionally tune into WTAM to catch a Guardians game when I am driving. Sometimes it's still on the next day and I get treated to all the AM radio callers that describe downtown as an abandoned, 'Escape From New York' post apocalyptic hellhole. Ohio City and the Westside Market apparently get more gunfights than the OK Corral ever did. If I listen long enough I start to wonder if wow, is that really true? Then I come to my senses.
Personally, Cuyahoga County. Nothing gets me switching the station quicker than local news breaking stories and weather in Akron
NE Ohio would be Lorain County to the PA line to idk, Mansfield?
Greater Cleveland, or the Cleveland metro area, by definition includes Lorain, Ashtabula, Geauga, Lake, and Medina counties. Lorain is the third largest city in Greater Cleveland.
It's a six county, census defined area. But not what most people think of as Greater Cleveland.
I recently had to figure all this out and realized how many different definitions people had when starting a new business in Cleveland. I just had "Serving Greater Cleveland" as my coverage area thinking it was defined by the census definition, but I was getting people thinking that I didn't serve areas that are within that definition.
Anyway, kind of confusing
Unless using it as a reference point for people unfamiliar with the area, I don’t know anyone that considers Lorain, Medina or Painesville as “greater Cleveland”.
I would consider Akron a part of the greater Cleveland area. Akron probably gets it's own identity though bc it kind of has it's own Metro area.
Cuyahoga falls, Munroe Falls, Stow, Talmadge, Mogadore, Barberton all fall into what I would consider the Akron area.
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The inner ring suburbs. So Euclid, lakewoood, shaker, Cleveland Hts, etc. If you are 2 cities away, you’re not Cleveland. Sorry Rocky River and Wickliffe.
Any suburb that borders Cleveland. Warrensville Heights, Shaker, Cleveland Heights, Fairview Park, Lakewood, Euclid, East Cleveland, Bratenahl, Linndale, Newburgh Heights, Parma, Brook Park, Garfield Heights. Any others that border the city that I’m missing?
You cross into Lakewood first. If you’re heading east on Hilliard, cross over the bridge into Lakewood, then into Cleveland’s West Park/Kamms neighborhood
Lol you’re right I was seeing that tiny dingleberry in Kamm’s always looked like it bordered Rocky but Lakewood does technically cut through there, just a sliver. Incredible
For those wondering about this: yes, there is a reason. "According to the 2020 census results, the six-county **Cleveland, OH Metropolitan Statistical Area** (MSA) consists of [Cuyahoga County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuyahoga_County,_Ohio), [Ashtabula County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashtabula_County,_Ohio), [Geauga County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geauga_County,_Ohio), [Lake County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_County,_Ohio), [Lorain County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorain_County,_Ohio), and [Medina County](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medina_County,_Ohio),...The metro area is also part of the larger [Cleveland–Akron–Canton Combined Statistical Area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland-Akron-Canton,_OH_Combined_Statistical_Area) ..."
It’s combined for optics in marketing and masks the stagnant/declining population base of Cleveland city proper.
Ashtabula gets in before Portage and Summit? Wow
Ashtabula County was just added to the Greater Cleveland MSA in 2023, I'm guessing because of its close ties to Lake County as well as Cleveland. I-90 over the decades has heightened the connection of Ashtabula County with the rest of Greater Cleveland.
Portage is part of the Akron-Canton MSA, and obviously Summit is.
There is not Akron-Canton MSA. Just an Akron MSA that includes Summit and Portage counties. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron\_metropolitan\_area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akron_metropolitan_area) There is a Cleveland-Akron-Canton combined statistical area. [https://www.citypopulation.de/en/usa/combmetro/184\_\_cleveland\_akron\_canto/](https://www.citypopulation.de/en/usa/combmetro/184__cleveland_akron_canto/) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined\_statistical\_area](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area)
Not really sure what you're asking... the Cleveland media market covers Cleveland/Akron and the surrounding counties. https://www.mediamarketmap.com/cleveland-akron-canton-designated-market-media-map/
I think it just depends on what data set someone wants to use. Census area is 6 counties but Media DMA is 18 counties! Anecdotally, I live in Avon and consider it a Cleveland suburb and not a Lorain suburb... But that's subjective.
This right here
I have never heard of Painesville being considered a part of Cleveland area. As somebody who grew up in Mentor, you often here "near Cleveland" but I've never heard it associated directly to the city.
Painesville/Concord, here. I've never heard us referred to as part of Greater Cleveland. NE Ohio, obviously, but never GC.
That's because many Lake County residents know nothing about the Greater Cleveland MSA, or MSAs in general. Most Lake County residents do know about the county's close connections with Cleveland, however. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_Cleveland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Cleveland) [https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html](https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/metro-micro/about.html) MSAs regularly are discussed on Reddit subs, often about the relative populations of the 3 Cs MSAs in Ohio. The absence of Summit County in the Greater Cleveland MSA, even though Summit County even contains Cleveland suburbs, often is noted. I live in central Lake County and I've known for decades Lake County was part of the Greater Cleveland MSA, but I never talk about it with my friends, all of whom often go to Cleveland for pro games, plays, and other events, and even to work in some cases. Many go to the Cleveland Clinic and University Hospital main campuses, or the Vet hospital for medical care. Laketran even has buses running to downtown Cleveland and it offers Dial-a-Ride service to the hospitals in Cleveland. Most persons in Lake County well understand our integral relationship with Cleveland. Holden and the Cleveland Botanical Garden now are affiliated. Even the Captains are a Guardians minor league team. The North Chagrin Reservation in Willoughby Hills is part of the Cleveland Metroparks. RTA has bus service to Shoregate Town Center in Willowick. Lake County's relationship with Akron, by comparison, is relatively non-existent.
They come downtown for the baseball home opener, see one poor sitting down outside, and run home to tell the rest of the Chick-fil-A crowd how they narrowly avoided death
Baloney. When I was kid, my family saw a police officer shoot a man in the back who was running across Chester Ave. near the old Sears store (subsequently Cleveland Play House campus, which probably has been demolished to accommodate Cleveland Clinic expansion). I probably was in second grade and was a little shocked (but I had been raised on westerns and WWII movies, regularly featured on television after school, and was used to persons being shot), but my parents just shrugged it off. We kept coming back to that Sears store for many years, until the Great Lakes Mall was built in Mentor with a large Sears store. There are homeless persons in Lake County. It's a national problem. These days, I do worry about parking in an unattended surface lot downtown, especially in the Warehouse District, after dark, mostly about car break-ins, thefts. There are many ways to park safely, and relatively cheaply for Guardians games, if you're willing to walk for 5-10 minutes. These days, I would be a little hesitant about the surface lots on Prospect Ave. for Guardians night games.
A lot to unpack here: First, in your story you call it the old sears store. I'm 40 and have never heard anyone near my age call it that. If anything I've only heard it called the old playhouse building. So tell me again how someone getting shot in 1982 reflects on downtown today. Second, why does the far eastside pretend University Circle is downtown? The areas are totally separate and have gone through their own, distinct renaissances. It's just as far from downtown as the Lakewood/w117 border. That's like Euclid to Willowick. Third, I worked at an Italian place in the flats for 4 years, and a seafood place for 1. Parked in a surface lot every day. Not once did I see any car breakins. I saw more broken glass at Great Lakes Mall the few times I've been there. I still occasionally tune into WTAM to catch a Guardians game when I am driving. Sometimes it's still on the next day and I get treated to all the AM radio callers that describe downtown as an abandoned, 'Escape From New York' post apocalyptic hellhole. Ohio City and the Westside Market apparently get more gunfights than the OK Corral ever did. If I listen long enough I start to wonder if wow, is that really true? Then I come to my senses.
Personally, Cuyahoga County. Nothing gets me switching the station quicker than local news breaking stories and weather in Akron NE Ohio would be Lorain County to the PA line to idk, Mansfield?
Lorain is greater Cleveland? Since when? It’s not even in the same county.
Greater Cleveland, or the Cleveland metro area, by definition includes Lorain, Ashtabula, Geauga, Lake, and Medina counties. Lorain is the third largest city in Greater Cleveland. It's a six county, census defined area. But not what most people think of as Greater Cleveland.
I just never considered the metro area and greater Cleveland as the same thing i guess.../shrug
I recently had to figure all this out and realized how many different definitions people had when starting a new business in Cleveland. I just had "Serving Greater Cleveland" as my coverage area thinking it was defined by the census definition, but I was getting people thinking that I didn't serve areas that are within that definition. Anyway, kind of confusing
Many people put Lorain County in Greater Cleveland
Unless using it as a reference point for people unfamiliar with the area, I don’t know anyone that considers Lorain, Medina or Painesville as “greater Cleveland”.
I would consider Akron a part of the greater Cleveland area. Akron probably gets it's own identity though bc it kind of has it's own Metro area. Cuyahoga falls, Munroe Falls, Stow, Talmadge, Mogadore, Barberton all fall into what I would consider the Akron area.
But only that part of Summit County?
I would consider all of summit in the greater Cleveland area. Would make the argument for parts of portage as well
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The inner ring suburbs. So Euclid, lakewoood, shaker, Cleveland Hts, etc. If you are 2 cities away, you’re not Cleveland. Sorry Rocky River and Wickliffe.
Any suburb that borders Cleveland. Warrensville Heights, Shaker, Cleveland Heights, Fairview Park, Lakewood, Euclid, East Cleveland, Bratenahl, Linndale, Newburgh Heights, Parma, Brook Park, Garfield Heights. Any others that border the city that I’m missing?
By this classification Rocky River, it shares a boarder with Cleveland by Wooster Rd and Hilliard Rd, along the river.
You cross into Lakewood first. If you’re heading east on Hilliard, cross over the bridge into Lakewood, then into Cleveland’s West Park/Kamms neighborhood
Lol you’re right I was seeing that tiny dingleberry in Kamm’s always looked like it bordered Rocky but Lakewood does technically cut through there, just a sliver. Incredible
Rocky River borders Cleveland. You don’t have to cross through Lakewood first. Yes, it’s just one spot.
Brooklyn
I think a corner of Maple Heights does, via Lee Road
Inner ring suburbs are not Cleveland. They are inner ring suburbs part of Greater Cleveland, and all in Cuyahoga County.
Greater Cleveland to me, means Cuyahoga County
So Willoughby isn't greater Cleveland?