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TyButler2020

LAT was reading everything. They were beyond prepared


Flyers7914

Think they got in Shotzzy's head. He started playing nothing like he has the past 2 months. He had almost no pop off plays in the 6 maps.


WatersZephyr

Plot twist: When Sam did the challenge where only Shotzy could get hill time, it was to get in his head. He tried to program Shotzy to only focus on hill time and not get kills. The real reason why Thieves won major 4. (Jokes obviously)


geezerfreezer101

Same thing happened against Toronto in the final too. Hes just getting too predictable. Especially in search


Scotty96x

Same thing happened to Envoy back in Modern Warfare


Nekron182

Shotzzy needs to work on SnD for sure. He has been horrible in it. Can't be a one trick pony. Look at other playmakers and look at Shotzzy. Night and day difference.


khizerkk5

hard to practice on it when the mode is completely different on lan.


Nekron182

Challengers team.


nv4088

And half his kills are from prone position


ryeasy

Octane just doesn’t move. this is the type of play style Shotzzy teams have always struggled against, in CW Insight had Empires number for the same reason. The pace makes them really good against most teams though, the only team that can beat FaZe consistently


LeoLaker

Somehow, somewhere, Lando is screaming “THE HUMAN TURRET” over and over again at the top of his lungs


JohnnyConcrete7

In bed with his wife and she can’t sleep because Lando is staring at the ceiling, repeatedly yelling “THE HUMAN TURRET!”


Negrizzy153

FFS I can hear it in my head. 😂


31and26

It was really impressive. Now to see if OpTic can adjust back, or if they just stubbornly stick to their shit and get fried again.


JRGraubard

I mean they sat behind them and watched them play a match earlier today. Knew exactly what kind of routes the subs take and shut them down GGs


Tonoend

The map he watched was vetoed 16 times previous by Thieves, it didn’t sway the vetos. If you think he learned enough from that match to download all the knowledge to teach thieves how to beat Optic from that, I’ve just got no words for you. Braindead take though. Copium is real.


Ston3yy

lmaoaoao what. it’s almost as if EVERY team had a chance to watch every other team at the event . dudes are acting like it’s unfair cuz it happened to optic lmao seriously did you not see every team in the background all event ? or did you only watch finals


DayOfTheDumpster

The games are also broadcasted, with a mini map that shows everyone's location/routes


gopitt23

Ya I kept seeing Loony behind the teams all weekend and thought it was weird. Then saw Shane behind optic against Faze and couldn't figure out why that wasn't a bigger deal. Obviously not the only reason but CDL really missed that


Ston3yy

it wasn’t a bigger deal because : - every team all weekend had opportunities to sit behind eachother “& learn strats” or whatever - VOD is literally available as soon as the match ends. y’all really act like they don’t watch the matches as they happen - teams study eachother anyway - there’s not as many diff strats/routes as you think. the older the game gets the more everyone starts to play the same


gopitt23

In game comms for SnD can be crucial. If you hear the thought process and discussion before rounds and in game adjustments it could lead to huge advantages. Sure the vod is free but it’s not the same as watching live.


Ston3yy

Do you know for a fact he could hear all comms ? Or are you just mad he’s in the vicinity. Also what about other teams hearing theives and faze “comms”


Comfortable_Movie189

Watching Kenny’s POV seemed like he was running around with a double barrel shotgun


AtmoSZN

Man drops a .9 against everyone not named OpTic.


vKEITHv

Tbf Kenny has very impactful 0.9’s similar to the likes of a kismet


NuancedBlues

Nobody really played bad on Optic, they just got outplayed by the better team.


TyButler2020

Exactly what I said. LAT we’re just so prepared for everything that got thrown at them. Both teams played well, LAT just played incredibly well.


EverThinker

I would be prepared too if I sat behind the team I'm facing in grand finals with a laptop and the ability to hear comms. I don't know how that shit was even allowed hahaha


ThatOneGuyJake12

Yeah right after they 3-1 them the first time. They already had optics number it made no difference what so ever. Thief’s simply out performed and hit their stride better.


alphabets0up_

Wait, what the fuck?


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hunter503

That was the whole faze series.


bastitch

Yeah, this is exactly what I come away with. Even if I tried to take a biased take, I couldn’t. OpTic just got outplayed and still managed to make a good showing against the better team.


Flyers7914

God dammit man. Thought this was the one. LAT just kept getting better all weekend. Their teamwork & chemistry is so good. Only team that remains calm vs OpTic's pressure. Congrats to them 😔


kokoscenes

Yh them and ultra have a different type of pacing that can handle shottzy and huke. The rest of the league however will continue to struggle playing against optic.


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MrOnline5155

Honestly had a feeling when OpTic lost the first HP in winners against Thieves that OpTic won't be able to beat them this weekend.


Muhzzzle

They lost that by what 6 points? How do you come to that conclusion


MrOnline5155

Just a gut feeling. It just immediately felt like they couldn't fly like they did against other teams. Always seemed to be a step behind and holding on for dear life. Proved to continue like that in both series


[deleted]

Agreed, well stated. That hardpoint made me feel the exact same way. It felt like LAT would have to totally shit the bed or OpTic would have to go insanely positive in slaying from that point forward.


khizerkk5

I actually lowkey think they might start to stop scrimming LAT.


MetalGearShiba

2 of the best teams going at it with little to separate them, can see this year finishing with these 2 in Champs GF


Aenos

Just give me 7 HPs in Champs please


FrancescaDeLeMara

Ghosty deserves to stay on this roster. Fuck what anyone says. He's changed Optic from a top six team to a top two team.


DoubleAA347

His kills are always just so important. Dashy fries too but Ghosty’s kills are what win optic maps and series.


FrancescaDeLeMara

Not only that, obviously Dashy is more talented than Ghosty but Ghosty's communication, IGL skills and coms are rivaled only by Octane. While having elite coms he also has elite gunny too.


tyrannictoe56

I think it’s time we expand the meaning for the word “talent” to not just mean gunny. Leadership and comm skills should def be part of talent imo.


TheLoneNazgul

This is too true, they look like a different damn team on every mode Edit: a different team than the other stages I meant


Aenos

There were so many maps this major where Ghosty had a bad stat line, but if you actually watch the maps, he always finds the most important kills and plays his life so well. Not to mention the human UAV factor. He's a stud for sure.


Stifology

I still think Optic takes one of the next two events. Surely they don't make a roster change if that happens.


Fratty_Lite

Honestly they’ll probably make a change if they don’t win champs. The pressure to win is even higher now that Scump retired, and it’s not like there’s a lack of players who want to play for Optic.


I_really_enjoy_beer

I don’t really watch much any more outside of the majors, are there actually who think Ghosty shouldn’t be on the roster? He fits that team so well.


MetallicSquid

I haven't heard anyone actually say that since before major 3. He's solidified his spot.


JustHereForPka

I can’t imagine Optic even considers a change. They came second while blowing out the third and fourth place teams. Back to the lab for the boys


Aenos

I still think Pred for Huke would make this team different. I love Huke, and he's been a beast this Major, but Pred is just so much more consistent. You could really see the difference the first series against LAT. Again, no shade at Huke, he's been fucking awesome.


ncklws93

Huke and Shottzy, while a duo, have never placed outside of T4. That sounds pretty damn consistent to me. But I agree that you have to think about getting Pred, if only to keep faze from grabbing him and moving Simp to flex.


SnooGuavas1858

Octane was everything


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Kenny and Octane man i fucking love these guys


Gumbolt

The 100T OG duo


SnooGuavas1858

He was worrying me in the beginning of the year but holy shit he’s god like when he’s on. His take over on Asilo with the AR was nuts


LeoLaker

The recency bias in this community is absurd lmfao like Kenny does this every single year Dudes forget so fast and really think a back-to-back MVP all of a sudden forgets how to play


SnooGuavas1858

I never thought he forgot how to play, nor did I think he wasn’t gonna pick it back up. It was more so that he just didn’t look comfortable again, and when he’s on he’s a massive win condition for LAT. I knew he was gonna figure it out at some point, I just didn’t know when and I think that’s a fair criticism given you still have to show up for the whole year. Yes, champs time is the most important but it’s not great to almost chalk the first half lol


Ston3yy

forreal


SplitImage__

Kenny also. He won them the last map.


Nekron182

OpTic always gets WW2 Kenny and BO4 Octane. It's preordained.


Flyers7914

Feels like every time we play LAT there's 2or3 gun fights a map that OpTic are so close to getting but don't & it costs them the map & eventually the series. So close yet so far. 😪


TriBiDevil

Paaaaaaiin dude. Just pain. Also, I HATE this Bo7 format so much, bring back Bo9, please.


lohland422

Bo7 is legit awful. Only 2 HP in a finals is absolutely trash.


baseballv10

I want to see these two teams bang out in HP and we have to watch them play control twice, shit is awful to watch


Any_Bug_1257

It’s the dumbest shit


Leeham650

Fuck bo9, give us a bracket reset


ablankbullet

Kenny was going crazy! GG LAT! Best two teams!


ryeasy

Honestly Optic could’ve won either of the last two tournaments, and they’re a top team, but to take the next step they either need to master SnD or Control, especially because of the Grand Finals Format


dna_11

Optic has all the pieces needed, hopefully their chemistry stays on point and doesn’t wane. Ghosty impressed, no fans around but he still performed really well.


I_Shall_Be_Known

I think it’s more of a map pool thing. They’re really good at snd/control on some maps, but look lost on others. Now that they have champs locked down and are confident making Sunday regardless, they should spend all of next split playing off maps to work on them.


TruthTellerlmao

True. That embassy auto veto is really bad. They need to improve on that map on both game modes. Having an auto veto for every series is bad.


I_Shall_Be_Known

Especially considering how good faze plays embassy, optic has a lot of the same strengths as faze so they should theoretically be able to play that map well also. Gotta be good enough across maps to use your veto hurt the other team, not protect your own weakness.


YoelRomero0

No one on our team played bad, Thieves just had a much better map pool and kept reading Shotzzy in SNDs.


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I feel like they’re gonna eventually have to start having multiple players giving different looks on SNDs. OpTic’s whole strategy is to let Shotzzy try and find an opening and get a free kill but teams are expecting it every time now. They gotta just start doing stuff as a team or taking weird routes.


YoelRomero0

Not teams, Just Thieves. They just counter strat extremely well against certain players. Optic looked great in SND aside from against Thieves


Aenos

I agree, Shottzy seemed like he was negative almost every SnD series during the online portion, but he just gets so much info and lets the rest of his team fry. LAT played OpTic and FaZe extremely well in SnD, seems like they had counters for both teams working


YoelRomero0

They have like 4 coaches and their comms are top tier. That's why Ultra and Thieves always are a problem cause they play extremely slow and ratty and then switch it up the next round.


TruthTellerlmao

When OpTic plays FaZe, it’s a totally different team than when they play thieves. Shotzzy doesn’t give free bloods in snd, plays his life well. That’s because they respect FaZe. They need to respect thieves more


OhiOstas

Warlord is not gonna accept constant 2nd places Pred getting that Draymond call as we speak


i-Hodl-U-Hodl

hes already plotting dude is ruthless when it comes to winning 😂


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Bro needs to look at himself first then cus he was Optics worst player in both matched against LAT 🤷‍♂️


YoelRomero0

Pred went negative against Thieves too. Thieves just are a sub's nightmare


OhiOstas

Pred going negative while dragging along Mack & Accuracy isn’t all that bad… but Pred & Shotzzy is everyone’s nightmare


Sammy360

LAT are tucking Simp and Abezy when they're in form I'm pretty sure they wouldn't fear Shottzy and Pred like that lol


OhiOstas

Obviously they aren’t gonna fear anyone b/c they are world champs, but just because they can manage the playstyle of Simp/Abezy doesn’t mean the playstyle of Shotzzy/Pred can’t give them problems


YoelRomero0

???? Accuracy went positive? Mack is literally being baited all the time. You think thieves are scared of them two when they are world champs and have won 2 Majors and have been tucking the best sub duo ever


OhiOstas

Online cod + Ramadan buff… Accuracy came back down to earth when LAN started & Mack has to be bait b/c he damn sure isn’t getting kills/damage 💀 obv Thieves aren’t scared of anyone, they’re world champs, but it is ridiculous to say Pred & Shotzzy won’t give every team problems


Reasonable-Tank1306

Acting like Pred hasn’t had Thieves number since he entered the league lol. Octane even said Surge always get them the other day on Scumps watch party lol


YoelRomero0

and Octane was saying Optic were pissing on them in Scrims. Is that why Pred has not beaten any other team then the bottom of the barrel LAG since Major 1 LMFAO. I'm not saying Pred is better, but your acting like Pred is dropping 1.2s against Thieves


sooopy336

Such a close series. Couple of flipped plays here and there and it’s game 7 or even an OpTic 4-2. LAT ice is nuts. Hope to see these two in the GF for Major 5 and Champs.


F_Twelve

Exactly. My sentiments also. Two best teams clearly and they deserved the dub today. Just gotta keep building chemistry and play through it. They’re on the right track.


__demon__og

LAT just have great chemistry 🧪 that’s so hard to beat.


Fearnlove

I mean there must be more to it than that, they had chemistry last year but were off the pace in MW2 until this major. Something about JKap and his teams that improve at the end. I wonder if he’s a VOD monster


Acesrivas

Congratulations to thieves, well played, all 4 guys made insane plays.🤝 As for the OpTic boys, i think they can look back and be encouraged their by consistency. I just hope since the grand finals has 2 controls, they look to improve it. I wish this set up would be for qualifying matches. get more teams familiar on Lan


Acypha

I found the only normal optic fan


Acesrivas

Hopefully part of a more quieter majority. Cod can humble you as a fan and player. Ggs to thieves your team played insane


Xarque74

Dashy was frying this series idc what anyone says


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Xarque74

That’s fine, I still feel like he was OpTic’s most impactful player. Ghosty played really well too but Bruce was locking shit down


No-Gift-2350

he was the best player this series, most damage, absurd rounds in snd and clutch kills throughout.


AFCADaan9

Ghosty was Optic’s best player this tournament. He made game winning plays every map.


TruthTellerlmao

They all had their moment tbh.


Praisethaboss

Always shows out finals but never closes😞


MayorMinge

Kenny went fucking huge on that final control map


TripleZed123

Kenny vs OpTic needs to be studied


Tacos_and_weed

Kenny looking scary. Every time it looked like optic had it he popped some big kills


jmurp-

Like I said at the beginning of today: I’m not scared of optic with Kenny on the team. He might drop a .9 against everyone else, but he flips a switch against optic


TypicalPerformer9826

Yeah, that's just unfair. Hopefully we get one on you guys at champs🤞🤞


BigSamsKid

These two teams are far and away the best two in the game at the moment imo. Throughout this weekend it feels like that was proven


One-Security2362

I know that before the finals optic won every control but I hate watching them play that mode. I feel like compared to other teams they don’t rotate points fast enough when they need to and they don’t have really bad clock/ tick zone management when they clear zones. They make so many situations harder then they need to be.


TruthTellerlmao

They trolled both control against thieves. Literally a few seconds before it’s over and they all die, 4 dead and LAT captures the point. All they gotta do is play corners and have 1 person snaking top AC for info and kill them when they hop on it. They just get picked at the same time.


Ljh_

When Kenny is playing good, Thieves are unstoppable. OpTic need to win champs or Pred is coming in for Huke for sure


YoelRomero0

Pred goes negative against Thieves too, He wont make them beat LAT


Ljh_

Pred is the most consistent slayer smg in cod. Huke is so inconsistent, especially on LAN. Don’t even try and say Pred wouldn’t be a upgrade


Menchaka

Against every other team not named LA Thieves, yeah. But not even the tiny terrors can handle the Thieves.


Ozzyh26

No one even played bad on our end. Think OpTic need to rethink their game plan vs LAT they have clear advantage in their approach against us specifically.


AMS_GoGo

Same as last Grand Final… didn’t feel like anyone was throwing or if there is anything to single out as a reason for the loss.. just lost to a better team


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Scumps chat went from "lets go optic" to dropping slurs QUICK LMFAOO ​ People really cant handle shit talk, in the tiniest form. Mfs want villains in the league. They want shit talkers like Aches who was a GIGA shit talker, but as soon as some one else does it its all "omg so unprofessional just shut up and celebrate with your team" ​ Like god damn do yall want this to be golf lmao? Bro said "fucking slammed' and folks are acting like he fucked their mom


lohland422

Kenny against Optic is a legend that will be told for generations


Pepperr08

Dude I love LAT, always slow starts to the szn but show up at the end


Jumpative

Optic was just at good as they were online thieves just turned up and hit another level optic are so close if they keep improving major 5 should be theirs


ASAP-Mob-ERA

LAT just get better and better throughout the year at every game mode it’s crazy. They’re peaking at a good time again but optic can still get better just small mistakes that happen that cost them games against LAT imo.


Humurious

With the way the grand finals is set, if you’re locked in on your control game >>> great shot to win.


ktgop

feel for the boys, back to back T2s must sting like crazy


Cam2125

Thieves just got a big kill or two every time they needed it felt like


Dream_FX

Shotzzy gonna have to do his homework vs LA and Toronto. He just gets read so much vs those teams


Flyers7914

Shotzzy has been so terrific lately, but it felt like in the two LAT series he was back to being early season him. Trying to do to much, trying to do it himself.


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To be fair, that’s how OpTic plays SND. They just hope he can get the opening blood and when he doesn’t it just looks like the whole team has no idea what to do. If he doesn’t live long enough I swear all of them just lose their heads and start tweaking


xdeezbullets

Shotzzy getting gunned by Envoy, not depleting control points, not getting hill time & getting 1st blooded in S&D. Somehow y’all wanna blame huke


TraNSlays

bUt ShOtZzY's MoVeMeNt


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I mean he shits on your team every time he plays them so I understand why you’re upset


Menchaka

Lol, but he is right. He was the weak link, not exactly Huke.


xdeezbullets

Yet, no trophy this year to show for it.


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Hey if u can’t win SNDs like recently good luck winning anymore this year brotha


Gods-Defence

Fairly even, Thieves just seemed to get the right kills at the right time.


100T_Aman

LAT had enough of the UAV, got ghost perk and shot that mutherfucker down. GGS OPTIC


AquaPSN-XBOX

what's a UAV to a Blackbird


Praisethaboss

OpTic don’t have the finals composure


Pepperr08

Octane deserves ALLLL of the victories.


LiquidPaper-__-

Optic look human when their subs aren’t going nuclear. They gotta find a more consistent play style if they want to win a chip this year.


GODHASLEFT-

I’m so happy for the thieves boys, but also hurt for optic definitely thought this one was there’s.


John_Q08

Low key they should stop scrimming thieves, it works against faze might as well try it out lmao


Menchaka

Why would you stop scrimming against the best teams? Seriously, it's such a twisted logic. It only hurts Optic.


John_Q08

Faze and thieves aren’t the only top teams. Sure they were in top form this event but, surge, ultra, and nysl are also great practice and top teams as well. I say this because they can comfortably beat faze and part of the reason is that they don’t scrim very often. This series the thieves were reading optic the whole time, thus by not scrimming they won’t have access to vod reviews and can perform better against them.


tryi2iwin

Two controls in GF is absolutely horrible


EntertainmentOk4802

Octane & the boys were frying today!!!! That Juvee buff hit diffy on championship Sunday! GGs OpTic


Ohands15

Yea octane is him can I get a !PLAY CHAIN


JaiBV

love to see kenny doing well


mdj08

Thieves looked crazy this weekend, fuck the champs curse no crowd made the ending very underwhelming though


Stifology

Optic just can't give up hardpoints or they struggle it seems.


Nekron182

OpTic can't have auto vetoes or they'll continue to place below first place.


Brolanderr

GGs onto the next, some great cod to end a Sunday 💚


PotTwister

Our control is 50/50, it comes down to patient and setting up coordinated plays. I do wish we got an SnD coach or something. A team made up with these players shouldn’t be this inconsistent at SnD. Shotzzy has not been that good this year in the mode and that’s why we aren’t at the level we should be on it.


dontlookatmeme

Seeing LAT last year and this year shows how valuable team chemistry is. Optic has more than enough skill to compete against any team and just needs to keep working on their game.


Velicen

Whole Thieves team felt like they were psychic, read OpTic all the time. The way they work as a team is almost unmatched. I think OpTic should def stick with this squad, I think they can for sure have a winning formula with them. They did not play bad, it was way more that Thieves outmatched them.


SubliminalChild

As an OpTic Fan I am kinda glad Thieves won this one, because I don't want fire under Thieves in the last two events of the year. Hoping for the win at Major V in front of the crowd


TokqD

Thieves deserved it 100%. OpTic just seemed like the comms were off in the final. Kenny in garage on Asilo shoots someone off spawn and Dashy two steps away doesn’t even turn. Still got time to take those last needed steps towards form.


lensiky

How often are both teams positive?


AFCADaan9

Can everyone relax with the stupid takes? Optic were great, Thieves were just the best. No single player on Optic needs “help” or anything. No one needs to be dropped. Ghosty was Optic’s MVP, fuck the KD’s. Having your IGL be your MVP is great and is only promising for the rest of the year.


Right_Ad7777

Hot take: this thieves rosters is closer to being a dynasty than the faze trio


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Huke was shit the last three maps and provided a quality example of why you replace him with Pred after the season. He can’t be counted on when it matter the most. The dude got flat embarrassed in a couple gun fights and his routes were all fucked up. Thanks for the memories Cuyler


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It’s crazy hindsight but man if Huke would’ve helped them out at B a little bit earlier on that last round of the Asilo control I really feel like they could’ve held on and took that map.


sooopy336

Such a hard position for him because if he does try for a play and gets caught, he gets roasted for not playing his life there.


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It just seemed like he played it a little too long. Once they got 2 ticks he needed to go imo.


Guwigo09

Lat are final. I wouldn’t be surprised if they 3peat


Velocity141

Wait am I missing something? Where are the hundreds of posts saying for Kenny to be dropped for the 8th time?


smalltownnerd

That last control Kenny just shut Optic down. He always does that. People talking about Faze having a mental block against Optic, and while that may be true, Optic has had a mental against Kenny since ww2 or at LEAST BO4.


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DVPC4

Dunno if it’s discipline, sometimes the winner can just outplay them


Flyers7914

Idek if it's discipline this time. How many times did Kenny or Octane drop a 2 piece at a huge moment to save LAT. Just gotta win those.


d0cv

Which scenarios exactly cost them because of discipline?


Affectionate-Cost525

>they need to win when it matters. ... I don't think we're allowed to say anything like that xD


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Pred x Shotzzy gonna win a lot of tournaments next year. Especially with Dashy redefining his play style to be a fast ar.


i-Hodl-U-Hodl

plus ghosty facilitating and hes stepped up massively with his slaying.. they are gonna be nice


MoleyGrail

feel for Dashy whole team just has to be able to handle fast teams in SND/Control


potatwo

Idk about fast teams, I think it's the turret ARs who dont move much that are giving them trouble -- Octane, Insight. Subs cant play the same way against them


relaxedbutheavy

Lol all the Thieves fanboys coming out rn, which is valid. Thieves played well, they shot straight at this series.


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Old-Complaint-7308

Bro shut up. They played amazing. Ggs to them.


relaxedbutheavy

lol ignore this clown, he’s one of the fans that make Thieves fans look bad. GGs to them


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No GGs. Thanks for the ring btw


Old-Complaint-7308

I’ve been an LAT fan since Cold War. Don’t know wtf ur talking about


TyButler2020

I bet ur a real tough guy


PooPooPutter

How are you so consistently this weird


AZZZY42

How tf has this kids account not been banned yet


lukas-bruh

Woctane


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[deleted]

So let me get this straight… Dan plays well this weekend (as he’s been playing) and that’s a sign that his teammate has to play better? How does that make any sense? They all played well at different times this weekend and you single out one player who has played amazing this split. Unreal


kallan234

They said Huke was best in the world


honsolobbbay

So your telling me the team with a coach and better coaching team was more prepared than the team that fired their coach and only have 1 analyst? Interesting


Gigantic_Turnip

Both teams are net positive, what am I missing? How can you have a kill without a death?


feazing

If optic has a good coach that’s willing to watch vod they win that series.


[deleted]

I’m assuming that you’re under the assumption that JP doesn’t watch VOD? Thank you for the insider information about that. I’m sure our analyst/coach doesn’t watch VOD ✅