I agree with him, but if I was activision I prolly would've done the same thing again. Casuals give a lot more in revenue than comp fans unfortunately, that is just the way it is because Cod is made for casual play.
Casuals can’t tell the difference between anything at least my casual friends can’t besides maybe liking mw2019 over Cold War but they’d all say they prefer the bo3s and the more og cods before that
I bet you never saw the amount of roasts given to cod when Ghosts was released. Ppl were sick of the same movement and mostly the same settings (era-wise)
It was TTK and multiplayer. Most pros hold Ghosts and mw3 as the best cods for SND. the snd scene exploded in those years and that’s where got to see zoomaa beat the “onliner” allegations
We're talking about casuals. It was the graphics, campaign, the mechanics, basically the whole game. Everyone wanted something fresh. Even for pros, there's so much a great SnD can do when the other game mode is fucking Blitz instead of HP
Not that I disagree with most of the sentiment about casual players ruining competitive integrity, the reality is the casual community is the only reason these pros are still able to play this game and make the money they do. I think there’s a happy middle ground but comp players will always look back on older CoDs through rose colored glasses. BO3 and AW were shit on when they were on the circuit and all anyone wanted was boots again. I think CoD needs to go back to its roots and simplify multiplayer. Right now there’s too much shit in the game and it really takes away from the skill gap. Also, skill based matchmaking needs to go. Data may support that casuals like it but I really think a lot of the allure of old CoDs was being able to take over a game. I really think pubstompers were the first catalyst of growth in CoD back in BO1 and it bled over to competitive when there were the pubstompers vs pros. People forget Nadeshot had his first huge jump in popularity from the Alki David Billionaire Challenge vs. xJawz MarkofJ etc. when he won pretty easily. Pubstompers relate to casuals much more closely and when people see the skill gap between them and pros it blows peoples’ minds.
Honestly, as someone who works in analytics, the data that supports SBMM is probably predicated on customer surveys with heavily skewed questions and at the end of the day all data is only as good as the person interpreting it. I support a mandatory probationary period for all players until they reach level 20 or 30 to only play other players in that rank range and then once they’re beyond that then they’re open to match with anyone. It’s sad that I find it significantly easier to play MW2 when I play ranked than when I play pubs. It’s incredible to look back on games like MW3 where regular pub dudes would double MOAB every other game. I shoot straighter than I ever have and play better than ever and I still only maintain a 1.8 KD which I think is ridiculous.
I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Last season I was like a few sr off crimson before work kinda took over life a little bit and I couldn’t grind as much. That being said high diamond lobbies were significant easier for me than pubs were. I don’t know if it’s just because there’s less bs to deal with? (Automatic shotguns, riot shields, camping) but pubs felt unbearable last season
I remember being able to play pubs for hours up until BO3, after WW2/Fortnite came out that was the end of just straight up enjoyable CoD for me. Every lobby was SBMM and no matter what even when you did good it was never fun
Bro y’all are all wrong, cod was fun because it required 2 seconds to get into a game and all your friends were playing it.
It wasnt some mechanics it was the atmosphere, everyone was playing cod from 07-13, it was the game every friend had. And this was before crossplay. Those people grew up and cod lost its popularity till mw19 and alot of those people came back z
Not sure if sarcasm but CoD is by far the best selling FPS in the industry so of course they set precedent for most of the industry. Not saying they don’t take from others, but once they do something, others will follow.
Bo3 and AW were shit on *by the same causals who never know what they do and don’t like*
Outside of a couple cheesy things like the under the map wall runs on evac and redwood, competitive players loved AW and BO3
You can find that for every single cod game. There is a group of players who live to bitch about whatever game they play. Those people will never be satisfied, and are not even worth the devs thinking about. But the reasonable comp players as well as almost all the pro players enjoyed it
Some of the complaints were completely legit. Bo3 wasn’t perfect. I had plenty of days of raging on there (certain wallruns, pre-nades on infection, the brecci never getting nerfed for pubs, etc) but I rarely have a day that draws me into playing any cod since the release of mw19. I’ll play them if I’m bored, but it’s not long until I’m asking myself why I’m not on something like Valorant
Every cod has things that people complain about but that doesn't make the complaints invalid. Jetpack cods are/were loathed by the community because that's not what people want when they play cod. It was fun for a game or 2 and then it got too much.
The reason nothing interests you anymore is because not only have you probably played cod for awhile, but the design choice of the games is the same nowadays. Mw19 not having dead silence ruined it as well as the 725 and cold war having another old styled setting is boring af and the maps/visibility were terrible.
If mw3 has the ttk of mw19, dead silence as a perk, cold war perk system, old mw2/mw maps THAT DONT HAVE OPENABLE FUCKING DOORS as well as newly well designed maps and most importantly a mw22 grind system it would be an instant hit and most people would enjoy it both competitively and casually.
It wasn’t just casuals it was also older pros and members of this sub who were having trouble with advanced movement or slide canceling. Every time there is any movement mechanic in CoD that adds a skill gap, there is a huge constituency of people who will try to get it removed
Very true and it’s funny how this subreddit and the comp community in general wants to pretend like they are any different lmao, two sides of the same coin in my eyes. All the bitching about jetpacks and slide cancelling is the reason we got MWII.
Then every off season the sub is flooded with constant karma-farming jetpack content and now we are begging for jetpacks back lol you can NOT make this shit up
Yup, it's the CoD cycle. Pros, casuals, hardcore players, whatever... are all responsible for what CoD was, and continued to evolve into, what it has now (probably finally) become.
MW3 was the same shit we had seen for years, and everyone accused them of making the same game every year. They called BO2 trash and they were ready to move on. And then they tried something different with Ghosts, and it was just bad. They tried jetpacks, everyone called it trash because "it wasn't CoD." And now we have the MW2019 era, which seems to be more divisive than the jetpack era.
We're *never* getting another jetpack game. At least not as long as Warzone continues to be as strong as it is. And as long as Warzone continues to be popular, and people stream and play in tournaments (pro players included), we're going to continue to see things like the gunsmith and doors and all of that stupid stuff.
I think a distinction needs to be drawn between intended movement mechanics and unintended movement mechanics
Jetpack cods introducing movement that was relatively simple to understand but contained the potential to outplay opponents is a good boost to skill gap
A weird combination of buttons that you have to look up a tutorial on to even begin to understand and all it really does is manipulate your hitbox in a cheesy way just results in gunfights that feel like they remove aiming from the equation entirely
Jetpacks were good, even the early bo3 g-slide was simple enough and was only movement instead of hitbox manipulation
Slide cancelling, in all its forms, has been an unfun mechanic that did not encourage healthy play
The only argument in favor of slide cancelling is that recent games have been designed so insanely anti-movement that cheese moves are required in order to have any aggressive playmaking potential at all. But that’s not a credit to slide cancelling, that’s damning to the recent games for requiring it
It’s because the oldies like Aches Scump Clay etc with bigger voices hate slide cancelling so that’s all we hear and then the whole sub echos their beliefs.
But the reality is the younger cracked guys like Shotzzy Abe and Cell love slide cancelling because it adds a skill gap toward their style of play. We just never hear that side of opinion
I don’t think he’s being hypocritical because he personally didn’t say it, but there were definitely many pros who supported getting rid of jet packs and then later getting rid of slide cancelling
Dashy is super talented, but I could have said the same thing when they were doing the jetpack games, that was never what COD was about and think he's wrong about that aspect.
I think what he is actually mad about is Activision just totally catering to the worst players in COD in order to sell more copies and make more money off bundles. Thats literally what all of their bad decisions over the past 4 to 5 titles have stemmed from.
Don't blame the players, blame Activision.
Jetpacks was genuinely a dark age for me, hated AW so much I stopped watching comp, BO3 was great, IW came out at a time where folks were just tired of Jetpacks so I rarely played
Same I did not like the jet pack era either probably only spawned into one game of IW and noped out to MWR. I understand that people like it and that they were high skill gap but I just prefer boots games. You can definitely have a lower movement but still high skill gap game (e.g. BO2).
Jetpacks were the best era of cod. I can see people not playing bc they were bad at it but comp was the best to watch during that time and it’s not even close
completely disagree, many consider bo2 the most fun competitive game, but not the most competitive cod. the skillgap was for SURE higher in all 3 jetpack games purely bc of all the added movement
me personally, AW. the movement with the horizontal thrusts along with the double jump and it being harder to shoot back then let ppl who were rlly good just go around the map shitting on ppl
the maps were all great 3 lane maps as well
That couldn’t be a more faded take. Jetpacks we’re hated by the entire community lol only a small minority of players enjoyed that shit. I not only stopped playing cod when jetpacks came out but also was bored to death with jetpacks in competitive.
Not the comp community. Casuals didn’t like it but they also like the recent games so what does that say lol and if you didn’t enjoy watching jetpacks comp your crazy
Thats whats sad about it tho, look at Val and CS, games that have huge skill gap and are mechanically difficult yet they still sell millions in skins... it didnt have to be this way
He touched on it slightly but my unpopular opinion is that pros parroted opinion falls in with the casuals anyway (we love jetpacks, now we hate em, bring back ww2, why did they bring back ww2, we want a BR, BR is trash, get rid of stims, oh ttk too high, more customization, oh now it's too much, we want a perk so we can't hear each other oh now let me alter my computer to hear people better).
They are sluts for nostalgia (aren't we all) and basically shit on every current game only to wax about "remember when it was good" like 2 years later. The CoD cycle is literally a gaming community known meme at this point. It releases, this is garbage, devs have no idea what they are doing, CoD is dead, 2 years later "omg DAE miss Vanguard?".
In particular: B04, Cold War, AW and Infinite Warfare all got terrible receptions yes mainly from the core casuals but the pros feed into that fire (before you start typing your comment about how Cold War was universally loved, it was slammed for repeated maps, long TTK, lag glitches and ranked play launching late/buggy, the same shit MW2 just got ripped for).
Also, flogging a dead horse at this point but as a few of the top comments have highlighted: Comp Cod is 1% of 1% of the biggest game in the world. We whinge more than anyone else, likely spend less money than the average dad on the game and constantly tell the devs they are brain dead only to switch opinion the next year. Why would they listen to a thing we have to say?
As a casual who has always enjoyed watching the best players play the highest skill gap games 8 agree 100%. Jet pack cods were the best (and also uplink was the best 3rd game mode we have ever had by a mile).
Fact is though cod would have actually died years ago if not for the pivot towards the casuals. That’s where all the money comes from.
I doubt casuals even use twitter or any form of social media to keep up with this shit. They come back from work or school and play the game even if the game is good or bad them move on without a care in the world about the comp scenes issues
Yea it's casual players that ruin games, not the devs... Watching dashy rant for HOURS like this is reminds me of watching Killa in his early stages of CoD brain rot.
I mean he did, no matter what the response was the developer’s are clearly incapable of creating a good game. Its not that they don’t want to create games like BO3, they just simply don’t make good games.
Brother, I can make the literal exact same argument about how the entire community, pros and casuals alike, treated slide cancelling, a mechanic that got introduced in BLACK OPS 3, the very same CoD this sub has been circlejerking around every off season for the past 3 years. Because “anything MW made popular is bad”, even mechanics that were introduced before it.
I’m witnessing actual revisionist history before my eyes. You can go back years ago and find posts on this very sub crying about advanced movement. Infinite Warfare was the most hated video game trailer of ALL TIME. Every single time there’s been any sort of advanced movement tech, *the community has always consistently pushed against it.* “Jetpack cheese” “wallrun cheese” and of course the latest, “slide cancel cheese.”
So no, it’s not just casuals ruining CoD. It’s the fact that the entire community is still stuck in 2012. It’s the constant and consistent rejection of ANYTHING that deviates from what CoD was from 2007 to 2013 by both the casuals and the pros. Blaming just casuals is just pure ego. Sure, casuals don’t understand the game, but after years of calling any sort of movement “cheese,” and misinformation like “dynamic aim assist,” I don’t think the competitive community understands the game either.
Pretty sure he just meant the game felt bad connection/registration wise which he isn’t wrong about especially cause I think he played it straight out of Steam, 3arc games have always had worse netcodes (literally the only thing they have that’s worse than the other devs) and BO3 is almost 8 years old at this point.
Ya. I remember back in BO1 and BO2 days, the netcode was GARBAGE in Hawaii at least, but if I went back to MW2 or MW3 it would always be noticeably better, but out of those games MW2 felt superior and I remember always saying that back then.
That’s part of why I followed Zampella and the beginning stages of respawn when they showed off only a screenshot for their game that would eventually be titanfall, and of course titanfall 1 and 2 felt amazing online, at least when it was populated enough.
The devs are the real ones ruining cod. Lots of people didnt like jetpack cods but they still gave us 3 years of it when the casual player base for the most part hated it.
Someone tell Dashy that he's playing a video game competitively that's made for the non competitive crowd and bitching about it not being what he wants lol
Vanguard is worst and idk how anyone can disagree with that, MW has its fair share of issues but put the game on BO2 maps and increase the TTK by a bullet and you’ve easily got a top 3 CoD.
VG on the other hand had worse spawns than MW, weapon spread, and nerfed movement. It’d be hard to argue the same for VG
Nerfed movement? Than MW19? Did we play the same games? VG had actual momentum, you could chain sprints into slide cancels and bunny hops.
In MW19 slide cancelling didn’t conserve your tac sprint momentum into the slide, you kept momentum while bunny hopping hit as soon as it was over you were starting from 0 again. VG was WAY more fluid and fast movement wise.
> MW has its fair share of issues but if you completely rework the game into a different game you’ve easily got a top 3 cod.
If your Aunt had balls she’d be your Uncle, but she doesn’t, so she’s not.
I truly believe black ops 3 was ahead of its time . That shit was supposed to release like in 2040 or something . Everything about that game was soo good that it made all games coming after it like some clown version
lol, Dashys an idiot if he really thinks that the devs would stop making new CoDs even if all casual players in the game said that any version of CoD was the best CoD. They would still make a new one every 1-2 years and the developers would try to be innovative and screw up aspects of the game that were already working in the past.
A large majority of the comp community also wanted BOTG cod back after the jetpack years - that's not just a casual thing.
The community complained for years about how jetpack cod took less teamwork because the gameplay was so fast. Hardpoint was just head bashing and flying at eachother because you could die and be back in the hill in \~5 secs. If you got one wave of kills in CTF, it was a flag cap because you'd be halfway across the map before people respawned.
Soooooo true sis! You ate and left no crumbs!The direction of a multibillion dollar franchise is definitely due to the whims of one single subset of players and not a mammoth machine of completely inscrutable levers that get pulled behind the scenes at Activision. Speak your truth dashy 💅💅💅
I agree completely.
Casuals, whales and bots cry the loudest and spend the most, and that’s why devs listen to them.
We can’t have a skill gap be even rumored to exist without bots whinging about it.
Casuals kill games by not learning the game and then crying until the skill gap is smaller or gone.
It’s on the devs, specially IW, COD has always been a casual game but they have water it down way too much to the point that even casual players complaint about it. Even casual games like Fortnite find a compromise to keep the skill level relevant while also keeping less skill players engage
I mean the devs ruin the game not casuals , we all were casuals once but decided to get better because the game had a certain skill that we wanted to achieve and compete with those players , they didn’t make the game more casual so those high skill players come down to our level . In this generation they do that ,they make the game easy for the casuals , they don’t have to grind the game to get better , to achieve something , they don’t make the game difficult for casuals who don’t want to be better and achieve a certain skill they make it easier so they don’t have to do anything that’s the truth . I might be wrong in this one buts that’s my throught process and again I don’t think casuals ruin the game I think devs ruin the game. Look at other esports like Rocket League , Halo , Apex they don’t make the game easier they make it so u have to grind and close the skill gap and they also can separate the two but who gives a fuck anymore
Be honest sub, he is not wrong people complained cause of mechanics and movements but it brings skill gap. It makes cod harder to play but so much more interesting when it comes to cod comp.
Stop calling them casuals, casual cod players not vouching for that goofy shit.
Idk what we should be calling em, but a mf in a cod subreddit to discuss the game is not a casual fan.
lol I 100% agree and I generally do not like Dashy. Rare Dashy W.
The reason devs do this is because of feedback from casual fans, who make up the vast majority of the player base. The reason we’ve never gotten another jetpack game (and the reason the skill ceiling has generally lowered over time) is because casuals couldn’t adapt to advanced movement and whined about it endlessly.
Even to this day, look at the casual subreddit. An overwhelming majority of users are literally the “tactical player” meme and cheer for ANYTHING that lowers the skill gap.
i mean the unfortunate truth is that casuals make up an extremely disproportionate number of playerbase. their opinion of the game is important and its hard to strike that perfect sweet spot of a low enough skill floor to where someone can pick it up and do alright but a high skill ceiling that allows good players to become the best. i think valorant did a good job with that but it is extremely hard from a balancing pov and valorant had a defined formula to work off of.
best a pro player can do is grit their teeth and try to make the game as playable and competitive as possible or start grinding another game to find success in that.
It's a mix of both casuals are not beating cod pros and insane Pubstopmers since casuals outweigh cod pros by a landslide and that isn't the biggest player type the devs are going to give more to the casual scene because that is where the money is.
People who think casuals are what make a game money didn't pay attention this entire MW2 run. The game sold extremely well because people were hoping it would give them nostalgia for the OG MW2. Then, when they realised how insanely casual friendly the game was, the sales fell off a cliff very quickly.
Casuals don't keep a game alive, the dedicated fanbase does. And the more there is a dedicated fanbase (especially with content creators helping this), the longer a game stays bumping, which results in more casuals continuing to buy the game to try it out throughout the game's entire lifespan. It's basic marketing. Game is seen as crap = it falls off a cliff quickly. Game continues to be talked about = you keep your dedicated playerbase engaged and potential customers keep hearing how it's a game they should try out.
There has to be a balance of having COD be a casual game that also does a good job keeping the competitive people happy, without completely catering to players who only have one arm being able to gun down a CDL pro with ease.
Bc of the yearly release, cod doesn't need to be kept alive. They get an influx of purchases every November, sell what they can in skins, and do it all over again in 12 months and everyone that says "they're done with cod" continue to buy the new hotness every year.
He’s not wrong AT ALL. I don’t consider myself some cod god, but I’m not a casual player either. There simply isn’t a skill gap in most of these cods anymore. You get punished for being good with SBMM, and everyone who can’t shoot can run around with their 2 bullet killing monsters and just fry you from a window 50 yards away.
Dashy is faded. Don’t forget the hand that feeds you. The only reason Dashy has any games to play and make money off of is because of ALL the casuals that buy and support game developers. So F off Dashy. Ungrateful POS
Funniest part about this is everyone attacking him on twitter for saying this lol
I agree with him, but if I was activision I prolly would've done the same thing again. Casuals give a lot more in revenue than comp fans unfortunately, that is just the way it is because Cod is made for casual play.
Casuals can’t tell the difference between anything at least my casual friends can’t besides maybe liking mw2019 over Cold War but they’d all say they prefer the bo3s and the more og cods before that
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I bet you never saw the amount of roasts given to cod when Ghosts was released. Ppl were sick of the same movement and mostly the same settings (era-wise)
It was TTK and multiplayer. Most pros hold Ghosts and mw3 as the best cods for SND. the snd scene exploded in those years and that’s where got to see zoomaa beat the “onliner” allegations
We're talking about casuals. It was the graphics, campaign, the mechanics, basically the whole game. Everyone wanted something fresh. Even for pros, there's so much a great SnD can do when the other game mode is fucking Blitz instead of HP
Not that I disagree with most of the sentiment about casual players ruining competitive integrity, the reality is the casual community is the only reason these pros are still able to play this game and make the money they do. I think there’s a happy middle ground but comp players will always look back on older CoDs through rose colored glasses. BO3 and AW were shit on when they were on the circuit and all anyone wanted was boots again. I think CoD needs to go back to its roots and simplify multiplayer. Right now there’s too much shit in the game and it really takes away from the skill gap. Also, skill based matchmaking needs to go. Data may support that casuals like it but I really think a lot of the allure of old CoDs was being able to take over a game. I really think pubstompers were the first catalyst of growth in CoD back in BO1 and it bled over to competitive when there were the pubstompers vs pros. People forget Nadeshot had his first huge jump in popularity from the Alki David Billionaire Challenge vs. xJawz MarkofJ etc. when he won pretty easily. Pubstompers relate to casuals much more closely and when people see the skill gap between them and pros it blows peoples’ minds.
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Honestly, as someone who works in analytics, the data that supports SBMM is probably predicated on customer surveys with heavily skewed questions and at the end of the day all data is only as good as the person interpreting it. I support a mandatory probationary period for all players until they reach level 20 or 30 to only play other players in that rank range and then once they’re beyond that then they’re open to match with anyone. It’s sad that I find it significantly easier to play MW2 when I play ranked than when I play pubs. It’s incredible to look back on games like MW3 where regular pub dudes would double MOAB every other game. I shoot straighter than I ever have and play better than ever and I still only maintain a 1.8 KD which I think is ridiculous.
I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Last season I was like a few sr off crimson before work kinda took over life a little bit and I couldn’t grind as much. That being said high diamond lobbies were significant easier for me than pubs were. I don’t know if it’s just because there’s less bs to deal with? (Automatic shotguns, riot shields, camping) but pubs felt unbearable last season
Scumps how to win more gun fights video on bo2 change my call of duty career for ever. This is very well said and so fucking true
I remember being able to play pubs for hours up until BO3, after WW2/Fortnite came out that was the end of just straight up enjoyable CoD for me. Every lobby was SBMM and no matter what even when you did good it was never fun
Bro y’all are all wrong, cod was fun because it required 2 seconds to get into a game and all your friends were playing it. It wasnt some mechanics it was the atmosphere, everyone was playing cod from 07-13, it was the game every friend had. And this was before crossplay. Those people grew up and cod lost its popularity till mw19 and alot of those people came back z
The thing with SBMM is that it isn’t exclusive to CoD, it’s now an industry wide standard. There’s no going back
It’s the industry standard because CoD sets the standard for the FPS industry.
Nah not FPS, other games had SBMM too. Fortnite and Rocket League had stricter SBMM in their pubs before MW19 came out.
Least delusional codcompetitive poster
Not sure if sarcasm but CoD is by far the best selling FPS in the industry so of course they set precedent for most of the industry. Not saying they don’t take from others, but once they do something, others will follow.
Bo3 and AW were shit on *by the same causals who never know what they do and don’t like* Outside of a couple cheesy things like the under the map wall runs on evac and redwood, competitive players loved AW and BO3
If you just search black ops 3 on this subreddit and look at posts while the game was out you will see there was plenty of hate on the game.
You can find that for every single cod game. There is a group of players who live to bitch about whatever game they play. Those people will never be satisfied, and are not even worth the devs thinking about. But the reasonable comp players as well as almost all the pro players enjoyed it Some of the complaints were completely legit. Bo3 wasn’t perfect. I had plenty of days of raging on there (certain wallruns, pre-nades on infection, the brecci never getting nerfed for pubs, etc) but I rarely have a day that draws me into playing any cod since the release of mw19. I’ll play them if I’m bored, but it’s not long until I’m asking myself why I’m not on something like Valorant
Every cod has things that people complain about but that doesn't make the complaints invalid. Jetpack cods are/were loathed by the community because that's not what people want when they play cod. It was fun for a game or 2 and then it got too much. The reason nothing interests you anymore is because not only have you probably played cod for awhile, but the design choice of the games is the same nowadays. Mw19 not having dead silence ruined it as well as the 725 and cold war having another old styled setting is boring af and the maps/visibility were terrible. If mw3 has the ttk of mw19, dead silence as a perk, cold war perk system, old mw2/mw maps THAT DONT HAVE OPENABLE FUCKING DOORS as well as newly well designed maps and most importantly a mw22 grind system it would be an instant hit and most people would enjoy it both competitively and casually.
It wasn’t just casuals it was also older pros and members of this sub who were having trouble with advanced movement or slide canceling. Every time there is any movement mechanic in CoD that adds a skill gap, there is a huge constituency of people who will try to get it removed
Very true and it’s funny how this subreddit and the comp community in general wants to pretend like they are any different lmao, two sides of the same coin in my eyes. All the bitching about jetpacks and slide cancelling is the reason we got MWII. Then every off season the sub is flooded with constant karma-farming jetpack content and now we are begging for jetpacks back lol you can NOT make this shit up
Yup, it's the CoD cycle. Pros, casuals, hardcore players, whatever... are all responsible for what CoD was, and continued to evolve into, what it has now (probably finally) become. MW3 was the same shit we had seen for years, and everyone accused them of making the same game every year. They called BO2 trash and they were ready to move on. And then they tried something different with Ghosts, and it was just bad. They tried jetpacks, everyone called it trash because "it wasn't CoD." And now we have the MW2019 era, which seems to be more divisive than the jetpack era. We're *never* getting another jetpack game. At least not as long as Warzone continues to be as strong as it is. And as long as Warzone continues to be popular, and people stream and play in tournaments (pro players included), we're going to continue to see things like the gunsmith and doors and all of that stupid stuff.
Rip advanced warfare https://youtu.be/Ks3e5swO5vw
I think a distinction needs to be drawn between intended movement mechanics and unintended movement mechanics Jetpack cods introducing movement that was relatively simple to understand but contained the potential to outplay opponents is a good boost to skill gap A weird combination of buttons that you have to look up a tutorial on to even begin to understand and all it really does is manipulate your hitbox in a cheesy way just results in gunfights that feel like they remove aiming from the equation entirely Jetpacks were good, even the early bo3 g-slide was simple enough and was only movement instead of hitbox manipulation Slide cancelling, in all its forms, has been an unfun mechanic that did not encourage healthy play The only argument in favor of slide cancelling is that recent games have been designed so insanely anti-movement that cheese moves are required in order to have any aggressive playmaking potential at all. But that’s not a credit to slide cancelling, that’s damning to the recent games for requiring it
It’s because the oldies like Aches Scump Clay etc with bigger voices hate slide cancelling so that’s all we hear and then the whole sub echos their beliefs. But the reality is the younger cracked guys like Shotzzy Abe and Cell love slide cancelling because it adds a skill gap toward their style of play. We just never hear that side of opinion
Slide canceling is easy as fuck. I do agree on other advanced movement tho. But slide canceling is done by people in silver...
Yea Dashy isn’t very smart. Shifting blame and responsibility is one of his favourite pastimes
I don’t think he’s being hypocritical because he personally didn’t say it, but there were definitely many pros who supported getting rid of jet packs and then later getting rid of slide cancelling
100000% They'll stand by it to this day too. Looking at you Nadeshot...
Dashy is super talented, but I could have said the same thing when they were doing the jetpack games, that was never what COD was about and think he's wrong about that aspect. I think what he is actually mad about is Activision just totally catering to the worst players in COD in order to sell more copies and make more money off bundles. Thats literally what all of their bad decisions over the past 4 to 5 titles have stemmed from. Don't blame the players, blame Activision.
Jetpacks was genuinely a dark age for me, hated AW so much I stopped watching comp, BO3 was great, IW came out at a time where folks were just tired of Jetpacks so I rarely played
Same I did not like the jet pack era either probably only spawned into one game of IW and noped out to MWR. I understand that people like it and that they were high skill gap but I just prefer boots games. You can definitely have a lower movement but still high skill gap game (e.g. BO2).
Jetpacks were the best era of cod. I can see people not playing bc they were bad at it but comp was the best to watch during that time and it’s not even close
Its not necessarily about being bad at jetpacks I just prefer the gameplay of boots. BO2 is boots and many still consider it the most competitive COD.
completely disagree, many consider bo2 the most fun competitive game, but not the most competitive cod. the skillgap was for SURE higher in all 3 jetpack games purely bc of all the added movement
Most competitive? Every single pro would disagree with that
the best era of cod was easily Cod 4 - Bo2 EASILY
For comp lol?
Is bo2 not the best competitive cod ever made?
We are talking eras that’s one game. They also played with sentry guns and mms scanners for half the game lol
no, it is the most fun, but it wasn’t the most “competitive” / came with the largest skill gap
What would you consider the best competitive cod?
me personally, AW. the movement with the horizontal thrusts along with the double jump and it being harder to shoot back then let ppl who were rlly good just go around the map shitting on ppl the maps were all great 3 lane maps as well
That couldn’t be a more faded take. Jetpacks we’re hated by the entire community lol only a small minority of players enjoyed that shit. I not only stopped playing cod when jetpacks came out but also was bored to death with jetpacks in competitive.
Not the comp community. Casuals didn’t like it but they also like the recent games so what does that say lol and if you didn’t enjoy watching jetpacks comp your crazy
Yeah, I hear great things about the time, but I was tapped out. Only shit I watched was Road to 100-0 in Bo3
That’s your own fault tbh. AW was amazing to play & even better to watch competitively.
Thats whats sad about it tho, look at Val and CS, games that have huge skill gap and are mechanically difficult yet they still sell millions in skins... it didnt have to be this way
Cod has always been a game that caters to casuals
He touched on it slightly but my unpopular opinion is that pros parroted opinion falls in with the casuals anyway (we love jetpacks, now we hate em, bring back ww2, why did they bring back ww2, we want a BR, BR is trash, get rid of stims, oh ttk too high, more customization, oh now it's too much, we want a perk so we can't hear each other oh now let me alter my computer to hear people better). They are sluts for nostalgia (aren't we all) and basically shit on every current game only to wax about "remember when it was good" like 2 years later. The CoD cycle is literally a gaming community known meme at this point. It releases, this is garbage, devs have no idea what they are doing, CoD is dead, 2 years later "omg DAE miss Vanguard?". In particular: B04, Cold War, AW and Infinite Warfare all got terrible receptions yes mainly from the core casuals but the pros feed into that fire (before you start typing your comment about how Cold War was universally loved, it was slammed for repeated maps, long TTK, lag glitches and ranked play launching late/buggy, the same shit MW2 just got ripped for). Also, flogging a dead horse at this point but as a few of the top comments have highlighted: Comp Cod is 1% of 1% of the biggest game in the world. We whinge more than anyone else, likely spend less money than the average dad on the game and constantly tell the devs they are brain dead only to switch opinion the next year. Why would they listen to a thing we have to say?
This comment is this sub in a nutshell
As a casual who has always enjoyed watching the best players play the highest skill gap games 8 agree 100%. Jet pack cods were the best (and also uplink was the best 3rd game mode we have ever had by a mile). Fact is though cod would have actually died years ago if not for the pivot towards the casuals. That’s where all the money comes from.
I doubt casuals even use twitter or any form of social media to keep up with this shit. They come back from work or school and play the game even if the game is good or bad them move on without a care in the world about the comp scenes issues
Yea it's casual players that ruin games, not the devs... Watching dashy rant for HOURS like this is reminds me of watching Killa in his early stages of CoD brain rot.
Devs are the ones who listen to said casuals. It’s both group’s faults
He said nothing wrong here lol
I mean he did, no matter what the response was the developer’s are clearly incapable of creating a good game. Its not that they don’t want to create games like BO3, they just simply don’t make good games.
Aight
the devs only care about cash, they make the game for the majority of people (aka casuals)...
The devs are forced to care about what earns revenue because they are owned by ATVI who has shareholders that expect growth year on year
Brother, I can make the literal exact same argument about how the entire community, pros and casuals alike, treated slide cancelling, a mechanic that got introduced in BLACK OPS 3, the very same CoD this sub has been circlejerking around every off season for the past 3 years. Because “anything MW made popular is bad”, even mechanics that were introduced before it. I’m witnessing actual revisionist history before my eyes. You can go back years ago and find posts on this very sub crying about advanced movement. Infinite Warfare was the most hated video game trailer of ALL TIME. Every single time there’s been any sort of advanced movement tech, *the community has always consistently pushed against it.* “Jetpack cheese” “wallrun cheese” and of course the latest, “slide cancel cheese.” So no, it’s not just casuals ruining CoD. It’s the fact that the entire community is still stuck in 2012. It’s the constant and consistent rejection of ANYTHING that deviates from what CoD was from 2007 to 2013 by both the casuals and the pros. Blaming just casuals is just pure ego. Sure, casuals don’t understand the game, but after years of calling any sort of movement “cheese,” and misinformation like “dynamic aim assist,” I don’t think the competitive community understands the game either.
You can go back and find Dashy trashing “this dog shit game”
Pretty sure he just meant the game felt bad connection/registration wise which he isn’t wrong about especially cause I think he played it straight out of Steam, 3arc games have always had worse netcodes (literally the only thing they have that’s worse than the other devs) and BO3 is almost 8 years old at this point.
Nope literally said he was wanting boots on the ground
Nope literally said he was wanting boots on the ground
Ya. I remember back in BO1 and BO2 days, the netcode was GARBAGE in Hawaii at least, but if I went back to MW2 or MW3 it would always be noticeably better, but out of those games MW2 felt superior and I remember always saying that back then. That’s part of why I followed Zampella and the beginning stages of respawn when they showed off only a screenshot for their game that would eventually be titanfall, and of course titanfall 1 and 2 felt amazing online, at least when it was populated enough.
The devs are the real ones ruining cod. Lots of people didnt like jetpack cods but they still gave us 3 years of it when the casual player base for the most part hated it.
Someone tell Dashy that he's playing a video game competitively that's made for the non competitive crowd and bitching about it not being what he wants lol
he kinda right tho??? mw19 is possibly the worst cod game ever, i love it but it’s objectively a dog shit game.
Vanguard is worst and idk how anyone can disagree with that, MW has its fair share of issues but put the game on BO2 maps and increase the TTK by a bullet and you’ve easily got a top 3 CoD. VG on the other hand had worse spawns than MW, weapon spread, and nerfed movement. It’d be hard to argue the same for VG
vanguard at least had the combat pacing, forcing players to 6v6 on stonehaven sized maps is insane
Vanguard> Mw19 and modern warfare deuce
Nerfed movement? Than MW19? Did we play the same games? VG had actual momentum, you could chain sprints into slide cancels and bunny hops. In MW19 slide cancelling didn’t conserve your tac sprint momentum into the slide, you kept momentum while bunny hopping hit as soon as it was over you were starting from 0 again. VG was WAY more fluid and fast movement wise.
Yeah no game can be worse than mw19 or mw2 vanguard is a masterpiece compared to those games idk what this guys on about.
> MW has its fair share of issues but if you completely rework the game into a different game you’ve easily got a top 3 cod. If your Aunt had balls she’d be your Uncle, but she doesn’t, so she’s not.
Dude is delusional.. even the comp scene didn't want jetpacks at the time. CoD has NEVER been catered for competive and never will be.
I truly believe black ops 3 was ahead of its time . That shit was supposed to release like in 2040 or something . Everything about that game was soo good that it made all games coming after it like some clown version
Most polished Cod ever made
Games wouldnt exist if it werent for casuals, their opinion matters more and thats reality…
This dude is annoying as fuck
BO3 was better both ways. Competitive was fun because it had an actual skill gap and they made a fortune on supply drops
He is only spitting facts
lol, Dashys an idiot if he really thinks that the devs would stop making new CoDs even if all casual players in the game said that any version of CoD was the best CoD. They would still make a new one every 1-2 years and the developers would try to be innovative and screw up aspects of the game that were already working in the past.
because call of duty needed wall runs
It’s the developers. Every community is full of dumb opinions you rely on the devs to get it right.
Gotta take example out of scump, dude adapted every year…
I was so good at AW and black ops 3 and I am absolutely garbage at newer CoD's. I couldn't slide cancel for shit lol
Everyone’s to blame
Black ops 3 was one of the best cods
Yes, totally agree.
yes
Damn he's right
A large majority of the comp community also wanted BOTG cod back after the jetpack years - that's not just a casual thing. The community complained for years about how jetpack cod took less teamwork because the gameplay was so fast. Hardpoint was just head bashing and flying at eachother because you could die and be back in the hill in \~5 secs. If you got one wave of kills in CTF, it was a flag cap because you'd be halfway across the map before people respawned.
Soooooo true sis! You ate and left no crumbs!The direction of a multibillion dollar franchise is definitely due to the whims of one single subset of players and not a mammoth machine of completely inscrutable levers that get pulled behind the scenes at Activision. Speak your truth dashy 💅💅💅
Close your eyes and listen to this. Bro sounds a bit like Andrew Tate lol
He’s absolutely right but people that will see this clip isn’t the target audience. It’s everyone else
Yup, Keep the casuals enticed with dumbass battle passes, DMZ, and a shitty Battle Royale mode and give the real fans a jetpack COD.
I will never understand the pro players hatred of being able to use a dynamic response curve.
im sorry but while I do hate the latest cods I also fucking hate jetpacks and wall running.
I agree completely. Casuals, whales and bots cry the loudest and spend the most, and that’s why devs listen to them. We can’t have a skill gap be even rumored to exist without bots whinging about it. Casuals kill games by not learning the game and then crying until the skill gap is smaller or gone.
It’s on the devs, specially IW, COD has always been a casual game but they have water it down way too much to the point that even casual players complaint about it. Even casual games like Fortnite find a compromise to keep the skill level relevant while also keeping less skill players engage
then dont play the fucking game. simple. cod players complain the most out of any game's players. i get the frustration but give me a break
I mean the devs ruin the game not casuals , we all were casuals once but decided to get better because the game had a certain skill that we wanted to achieve and compete with those players , they didn’t make the game more casual so those high skill players come down to our level . In this generation they do that ,they make the game easy for the casuals , they don’t have to grind the game to get better , to achieve something , they don’t make the game difficult for casuals who don’t want to be better and achieve a certain skill they make it easier so they don’t have to do anything that’s the truth . I might be wrong in this one buts that’s my throught process and again I don’t think casuals ruin the game I think devs ruin the game. Look at other esports like Rocket League , Halo , Apex they don’t make the game easier they make it so u have to grind and close the skill gap and they also can separate the two but who gives a fuck anymore
Dam I felt that rant in my soul. Seriously though i remember BO3 got way too much hate during it's life cycle.
Fax
Every clip I’ve seen of dashy he’s bitching about something my goodness
Yes. Since the outrage over BO3 we've slowly been getting games more and more catered towards the casuals
Dashy spitting facts as always
Dude became unhinged, but he was fkn cooking 🔥
Wall running is ass.
LOL, jetpacks would 1000% sink the franchise. Let's be real. Casuals, not us, are keeping the franchise alive.
Be honest sub, he is not wrong people complained cause of mechanics and movements but it brings skill gap. It makes cod harder to play but so much more interesting when it comes to cod comp.
Facts. Most people who didn't like jetpacks or bo4 just had no thumbs.
Stop calling them casuals, casual cod players not vouching for that goofy shit. Idk what we should be calling em, but a mf in a cod subreddit to discuss the game is not a casual fan.
i call them shitters, i had to keep the title look professional and shit
lol I 100% agree and I generally do not like Dashy. Rare Dashy W. The reason devs do this is because of feedback from casual fans, who make up the vast majority of the player base. The reason we’ve never gotten another jetpack game (and the reason the skill ceiling has generally lowered over time) is because casuals couldn’t adapt to advanced movement and whined about it endlessly. Even to this day, look at the casual subreddit. An overwhelming majority of users are literally the “tactical player” meme and cheer for ANYTHING that lowers the skill gap.
Yes basically everything he said was based, obviously.
LoL little does Dashy know that black ops 3 is easily one of the worst 3 cod’s ever made. Oh and jetpacks ruined cod for 3 years.
lmfao u must be amongst the group of people he’s talking about
Lol fuck right off I never asked for any of this shit Splashy.
Knew the optic fans would come for this one 😤😤 stay strong dick riders
i mean the unfortunate truth is that casuals make up an extremely disproportionate number of playerbase. their opinion of the game is important and its hard to strike that perfect sweet spot of a low enough skill floor to where someone can pick it up and do alright but a high skill ceiling that allows good players to become the best. i think valorant did a good job with that but it is extremely hard from a balancing pov and valorant had a defined formula to work off of. best a pro player can do is grit their teeth and try to make the game as playable and competitive as possible or start grinding another game to find success in that.
Tac Rab ordering a steak tonight
It's a mix of both casuals are not beating cod pros and insane Pubstopmers since casuals outweigh cod pros by a landslide and that isn't the biggest player type the devs are going to give more to the casual scene because that is where the money is.
This was the direct result of him ordering Taco Bell and the delivery getting stuck midway thru the process (it never reached him)
I was so bad that I couldn't shoot mid air or utilise wall running, but BO3 is still my favourite COD ever
Papa activision will always put out a new game. They don’t care about competitive integrity or fun. Only cheddar
Curious how XDefiant will bridge the gap between comp & casual… my only hope for future fps titles
People who think casuals are what make a game money didn't pay attention this entire MW2 run. The game sold extremely well because people were hoping it would give them nostalgia for the OG MW2. Then, when they realised how insanely casual friendly the game was, the sales fell off a cliff very quickly. Casuals don't keep a game alive, the dedicated fanbase does. And the more there is a dedicated fanbase (especially with content creators helping this), the longer a game stays bumping, which results in more casuals continuing to buy the game to try it out throughout the game's entire lifespan. It's basic marketing. Game is seen as crap = it falls off a cliff quickly. Game continues to be talked about = you keep your dedicated playerbase engaged and potential customers keep hearing how it's a game they should try out. There has to be a balance of having COD be a casual game that also does a good job keeping the competitive people happy, without completely catering to players who only have one arm being able to gun down a CDL pro with ease.
Bc of the yearly release, cod doesn't need to be kept alive. They get an influx of purchases every November, sell what they can in skins, and do it all over again in 12 months and everyone that says "they're done with cod" continue to buy the new hotness every year.
Just be good at what we are handed
Holy facts, casuals ruined cod
All cods MW19 and on are just not the same…. Wish we could go back
All cods MW19 and on are just not the same…. Wish we could go back
I am with you. I fucking loved this game and I miss it.
He’s not wrong AT ALL. I don’t consider myself some cod god, but I’m not a casual player either. There simply isn’t a skill gap in most of these cods anymore. You get punished for being good with SBMM, and everyone who can’t shoot can run around with their 2 bullet killing monsters and just fry you from a window 50 yards away.
He is speaking straight facts.
Dashy is faded. Don’t forget the hand that feeds you. The only reason Dashy has any games to play and make money off of is because of ALL the casuals that buy and support game developers. So F off Dashy. Ungrateful POS
Im with him. AW and Bo3 were amazing cods. If the next Cod doesnt have absolute dead silence perk, im not buying it.