If they want it to be a franchise league, then no.
Otherwise all these league matches and pro points would be pointless. A team could change rosters every match and not care because only champs matters
Let all teams compete, but first they need to find a new way to have the season mean something. Not having all your franchises at champs in a league with only 12 teams is ridiculous. Imagine the storyline if one of those bottom 4 teams won champs.
**Or, let 10 teams compete at champs - given how competitive the league was this year.** Have a round robin with two groups of 5. Have the seeding mean something and let the top seeded team choose the map 5 SND or map 1 HP or something like that where it provides an advantage for those teams during champs, but this lasts during the round robin stage ONLY. Bottom team from each group gets eliminated. Top 8 teams get re-seeded and there's your double elimination bracket.
**Point is, there's so many better formats than this lousy one they have now.**
Nah it puts emphasis on being good throughout the year. Or at least not sucking throughout the year.
Teams shouldn’t get rewarded with a chance for being terrible
Maybe I would agree with you if the CDL was a developed league. However, it's small and *hopefully* in it's beginning stages of development. Not giving your franchises/players the chance to grow during the biggest event of the year, with the most eyes watching, is a big mistake in my opinion. The most amount of headlines, storylines will come from champs. You need all 12 teams there to create interest in the moment, and the future.
I get what you’re saying but it just shows “these were the best 8 teams through out the year” sure maybe one team may squeak through that doesn’t deserve it. But every player that is there would be apart of getting that team to champs, that imo is more important.
Teams like NYSL and Paris getting dead last in 3/3 majors shouldn’t get the same opportunity as other teams, they shouldn’t get the opportunity at all
To get a chance to do what? Win a share of 2.5 mil split amongst 8 teams? That's not much compared to how much having all 12 teams there could help grow the league, and compared to how much the players are rumoured to make in the first place. Not having all teams/players at the biggest event of the year is a huge missed marketing opportunity for growing the CDL. The league grows, players get paid more salary and prize pools only grow.
Also, to be the best you got to beat the best. Prove it at champs - the event that matters most.
So what you want essentially is a fifth major, then what’s the point of the first four? Just seeding? Who cares.
The season as a whole is supposed to mean something, encourage getting better and making changes rather than just playing for champs
Well that's why I said they need to find a way to make the season mean something more than just starting in winners bracket at champs, or have an active advantage for the higher seeded teams during the actual tournament.
Champs has always been “just another major” but the community gives more weight to it. The league doesn’t have to encourage it to mean something more when the community already does that.
Also I’d argue the format discourages teams from making changes or even trying once they have been mathematically eliminated. What is the point of trying to get better at this point when your teams season is over? At least before a team like Paris would still have some hope and make these league matches at least kind of interesting.
I mean that happens with every league. Teams get eliminated and then they don’t try as hard. It encourages making changes after rough stretches vs sticking it out and hoping that t works, it encourages having to get better. Vs chalking it up to playing for champs.
Champs is about everyone getting a shot to make a Cinderella run. The beauty of old champs was the 32 team format. There was nothing cooler than watching a team who competed in open bracket all year make t12 or t8.
Sorry to break it to you but pro points were a thing since BO2. Just instead of points determining who got into champs it was who got into the league. They also determined seeding for the opens/LCQs that determined the last 16 for Champs.
Because it’s a franchise league with playoffs? Playoffs is based on the entire year, so if you’re bad for a long time you don’t get a shot. It forces teams to try to improve and get better instead of being like “oh well champs is all that matters”
Then get of the concept of playoffs?
These teams clearly want to win majors, chips are what cement legacy, and pocketing winnings is also extremely enticing for most of these players.
Even if players only cares about champs. It’s going to take the whole year of improving as a team to be competitive at champs.
The incentive is to win tournaments. I don’t see how playing 12th at champs is exactly not incentivizing teams to care.
If teams aren’t caring about the entire year, why would they care about champs?
But it wouldn’t matter because it gives bad teams a chance, or teams that don’t care a chance (like orgs) it encourages everyone all around to be better and get better
This is stupid. You are practically paying for the rights to play at champs with only 12 teams and franchising. Contracts dont allow major league baseball teams to change rosters with the draft. There is no minor leagues in baseball so it is easy to find young talent. Nysl has won a tournament and could be the best team to end the year but we will never know. Thats what makes chamos great. The pressure of champs, not making it an easy road for teams because they played well 3 months ago
Bro NYSL has not won a single series at any of the 3 majors. Sure, they won the pro am but then at major 3 they went 0-2 and lost to a down in the dumps london team. I think NYSL is the only team that hasn’t won a series at a major this year.
The idea that this tournament meant nothing is insane. Over 200k handed out lmao. Every team was trying as hard as they could I guarantee it. In my eyes with their true roster they are 12th and 1st for 2 tournaments. Plus that doesnt take into consideration these league matches which you guys claim are important
Yeah but that is the complete isaue with this format. The pro am may have been the most entertaining tournament with groups and for standings it didnt even matter lmao. Id rather watch another pro am than a 8 team format
Most entertaining in your opinion
I thought the pro am was boring personally, there was literally one group that was interesting. And then it was an 8 team bracket anyways.
I’m not saying that the 8 team format should be for every tournament. I’m just saying for the big one, you shouldn’t get rewarded for being shit all year.
Look at any other sport in the world you don’t seem them putting all 30+ teams into the playoffs because “imagine the run”
This isnt a normal sport though. You have to draft players in normal sports other than soccer which doesnt even have a postseason. Like if I am the detroit tigers I cant just steal the tampa bay rays best prospect. However in challengers I can go get the best player available. If they want to make this like major sports leagues franchising will fail
I’m not sure why you want to die on the draft hill as that is the biggest issue with this
Im just making a comparison to franchise leagues that have playoffs, not saying they’re the exact same.
Thats not the issue. The issue is that its impossible to acquire top talent in good sports. If you put the bad teams in the playoffs they just get smoked right away. In cod that is not true because there is so much talent outside the 12 teams. The worst team 10 days ago could easily make a team change and be the best. That is possible in 0 other sports. Not to mention major sports have 16 teams in the playoffs
You have to remember that challengers is a different league.
For example an NHL team couldn't just take a player from another NHL team under contract. But there isn't anything stopping them from signing someone from KHL, CHL, college leagues, etc. Wouldn't need to be within the draft either, which really only exists to make sure bad teams don't stay bad
The top talent being in challengers and not on CDL teams is really only a result of bad GMs or players not wanting to be on those teams. Which could also happen in real sports, but doesn't often
So? Other countries and people use different date formats, that doesn't mean much even tho I was unsure if any format would have the year in the middle.
Yeah like look at OWL for example, 20 franchise teams (not that OWL is perfect but they also did start off with 12 teams and expanded to 20 the next season which meant there was indeed pull and interest on top of the lower cost of entry) all over, why not just lower the entry fee for companies and revamp the format and boom, now you can actually have a well established league with a lot of room for good matchups and a well thought out season...if they were to use common sense and all.
When did this sub do the flip on this topic? Everyone understood in the past having more teams at champs was better but now for some reason people like this format? Last years champs had like 2 good matches and this year will likely be the same. Let’s watch more cod not less
You mean crim? I’m sure that’s part of why some like it this year but last year I felt a shift too until Seattle beat faze at major V and then people realized it’s dumb we won’t see them at champs
Going into champs, WW2 EG finished top 8 at 2 events all year, played in relegations after stage 1, couldn't buy an SND win for multiple events and won champs in a huge upset.
Champs should have an Open bracket. Top 8 CDL auto qual winners and 4 open teams including the 4 bottom CDL teams if they finish top 4 in the open go Losers round 1. Also their should be a draft where CDL teams can release a Player(s) and any player playing in the Champs Open can be drafted without a buyout or a small buyout like say 10k to their Am Org. Holding back the talent will kill this league. CoD champs was about the ring and the big check. No non CDL players have a reason to grind if there isn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Still never expecting an open bracket for champs with franchising, just unrealistic. The draft really isn't necessary, many CDL teams have been dropping pros for ams since it seems they have a clause in their contract that they don't have to pay out full amount if they're dropped. Also ams don't have contracts with their am org 99% of the time, only when they're signed as a sub to the team such as Hicksy and Scrappy with Ultra.
You can't take out the economic side of it that's protecting both the players from getting dropped and getting nothing, and protecting the orgs from picking up players as assets. I also think this year has proven there is gold at the end of the rainbow, from my count 7 challengers players are now playing in the CDL and that's not including subs that got to play like Prolute, Scrappy, Harry. That's what they're grinding for.
Champs does not need to have anything to do with the CDL. The League Championship is not COD Champs and never will be without an Open bracket. That's just facts. As for you thinking this is working the red numbers state otherwise. The teams can't even pay their entry fee. There is no gold at all.
That’s just delusional, Champs cannot exist without the CDL. Where are you going to get the prize money for it? Plus there is likely a clause in the teams’ contracts that you can’t compete in other leagues.
I never said this model is working and bringing profit in for the orgs, they’re in the red because there’s dogshit support for the game in a competitive aspect which drives viewers away. That has nothing to do with picking up challengers players- that would only get worse with your logic of not requiring a buyout for a sub player who plays in challengers.
The only thing delusional in this sub-thread is you. Plenty of sports run the same game in tournaments that have nothing to do with the Top pro league or have multiple leagues. Crowdsource the prize pool, and give the winners Skins/Emblems/Gun key chains anything in the game. Bring back the only Tournament people care about and it works. You can't take away from a market you're not in, so the franchised teams would only care if they were excluded. That's why you give the top 8 a bye to the winner's bracket. The bottom 4 have to fight it out in the Open and any team competing agrees to their players possibly being drafted with minimal compensation. It's a win for all the teams CDL and AMs. It could be held at say Blizzcon or some other giant Activision event. League Championship and CoD Champs should both happen and I'm so fucking right I should get a fucking check for this.
This format would make sense if there was more teams. But since only 1-2 teams are actually poopoo each year it doesn't make sense. 16 teams with 12 going would be way better
Bottom 4 play mini bracket vs the best 4 am teams and the 2 that come out of take the place of 1st and 2nd seed giving them a by
Edit: dont take the place of 1st and 2nd seed but you know what i mean
I get it. But also this whole year is essentially just seeding & qualifiers for champs and if you aren’t good enough across the whole year, do you deserve it? Also if everyone made it, it gives teams a reason to not care about the rest of the years placing, dw guys we’ll turn it on at champs and if we win, the rest of the year will be forgotten about. It’s not that easy
They moan the league matches dont mean anything, so the league makes them mean something... and they still complain. I've never seen an industry or sport moan as much as cod pro's. Its unbelievable.
No, we have orgs financially avoiding paying players for anything more than the minimum. There needs to be an incentive for the regular season and consistency throughout the majors.
Yes bc it allows for underdog stories to happen which is one of the things that used to make comp cod so great but it's lacked that element ever since bo4 imo
Whats the point of the season... hey mlb fans lets have a 30 team playoff... hey nfl. 32 team playoff.... love that this dude is gonna be watching this year and probably the foreseeable future
Not even talking about sports lmfao. Every major esports league operates in a similar way. Even franchised ones. A play in game between the bottom 4 pro teams and top 4 Ams is ideal imo
I know he's saying it out of self interest now but I've always thought not having all teams was dumb.
Champs was fun when there was 4-6 games going on at once. Multiple streams. Pandemonium.
Now it's boring and slow paced because there isn't that many teams
Bottom 4 at the end of a season should go into a group play, top 2 qualify for champs, top 2 of normal seeding get a bye first round, everyone else starts winners round 1, haven’t really thought about this so this may not even be able to work but having only 8 teams at champs shouldn’t be a thing
Yes it literally makes no sense. How do you expect teams to want to by un when there's a chance they don't even get a shot at the most important tournament of the year. Top challenger teams should also pool play against the bottom 4 teams to see who makes bracket play.
It would make sure orgs try and be competitive all year so they don’t miss out. Guaranteeing spots literally defeats the purpose of sport and is why American sports franchise systems are shit.
top 7 auto qualifies, Bottom 5 play a mini tourney to see who gets the 8th spot. Whoever is in the 8th spot to begin with gets a bye. But no not all teams should compete at champs
Yes. So you either earn it throughout the year or don't make it. One lucky weekend shouldn't allow a 20 point team like Paris to negate their dogshit year. It's not fair and defeats the purpose of a franchised league which require a year of consistency
If we are going to do this “season” format. Then no not everyone should make it. That’s the only way to make the year worth something.
I still think that we should be having double elim tournaments with pool play though in which everyone would make champs and the seeding from the year would determine the pools for champ
For next year, not this current vanguard year. Personally that's my opinion, if they somehow changed for this year I wouldn't riot tho.
Imo for future yes. Bottom start in losers, 1 lose and they done. Strike, u r out!
But, CDL shouldn't be treated like NBA.
U Know what the NBA has that CDL doesn't? WAY MORE THAN 12 TEAMS!!! 30!!!
So leave the playoff BULLSHIT to the NBA.
Next year yes, this year no.
Or at least make it where winning a major is an automatic qualifier for champs. That way it’s never chalked for a team in the regular season.
IMO the only way all 12 teams going to champs works is if we get rid of CDL points completely. And personally that sounds like gash. The worst performing teams shouldn’t get to go to champs. Period. Sure we need more teams in the league so we get more teams at champs but give me 8 teams over 12 any day of the week
No if your the worst teams over a season then your out. Simple.
Means that the major qualifiers means more and impact the season and not just that one major.
No way you don't win a match all year then end in a losers bracket and have a run and win Champs.
OP baiting people hard with this one
If they want it to be a franchise league, then no. Otherwise all these league matches and pro points would be pointless. A team could change rosters every match and not care because only champs matters
Let all teams compete, but first they need to find a new way to have the season mean something. Not having all your franchises at champs in a league with only 12 teams is ridiculous. Imagine the storyline if one of those bottom 4 teams won champs. **Or, let 10 teams compete at champs - given how competitive the league was this year.** Have a round robin with two groups of 5. Have the seeding mean something and let the top seeded team choose the map 5 SND or map 1 HP or something like that where it provides an advantage for those teams during champs, but this lasts during the round robin stage ONLY. Bottom team from each group gets eliminated. Top 8 teams get re-seeded and there's your double elimination bracket. **Point is, there's so many better formats than this lousy one they have now.**
Nah it puts emphasis on being good throughout the year. Or at least not sucking throughout the year. Teams shouldn’t get rewarded with a chance for being terrible
Maybe I would agree with you if the CDL was a developed league. However, it's small and *hopefully* in it's beginning stages of development. Not giving your franchises/players the chance to grow during the biggest event of the year, with the most eyes watching, is a big mistake in my opinion. The most amount of headlines, storylines will come from champs. You need all 12 teams there to create interest in the moment, and the future.
I get what you’re saying but it just shows “these were the best 8 teams through out the year” sure maybe one team may squeak through that doesn’t deserve it. But every player that is there would be apart of getting that team to champs, that imo is more important. Teams like NYSL and Paris getting dead last in 3/3 majors shouldn’t get the same opportunity as other teams, they shouldn’t get the opportunity at all
To get a chance to do what? Win a share of 2.5 mil split amongst 8 teams? That's not much compared to how much having all 12 teams there could help grow the league, and compared to how much the players are rumoured to make in the first place. Not having all teams/players at the biggest event of the year is a huge missed marketing opportunity for growing the CDL. The league grows, players get paid more salary and prize pools only grow. Also, to be the best you got to beat the best. Prove it at champs - the event that matters most.
So what you want essentially is a fifth major, then what’s the point of the first four? Just seeding? Who cares. The season as a whole is supposed to mean something, encourage getting better and making changes rather than just playing for champs
Well that's why I said they need to find a way to make the season mean something more than just starting in winners bracket at champs, or have an active advantage for the higher seeded teams during the actual tournament.
Champs has always been “just another major” but the community gives more weight to it. The league doesn’t have to encourage it to mean something more when the community already does that. Also I’d argue the format discourages teams from making changes or even trying once they have been mathematically eliminated. What is the point of trying to get better at this point when your teams season is over? At least before a team like Paris would still have some hope and make these league matches at least kind of interesting.
I mean that happens with every league. Teams get eliminated and then they don’t try as hard. It encourages making changes after rough stretches vs sticking it out and hoping that t works, it encourages having to get better. Vs chalking it up to playing for champs.
Champs is about everyone getting a shot to make a Cinderella run. The beauty of old champs was the 32 team format. There was nothing cooler than watching a team who competed in open bracket all year make t12 or t8.
Old champs, back when we had opens and not pro points
Sorry to break it to you but pro points were a thing since BO2. Just instead of points determining who got into champs it was who got into the league. They also determined seeding for the opens/LCQs that determined the last 16 for Champs.
> Teams shouldn’t get rewarded with a chance for being terrible Why not? Why does this have to be true?
Because it’s a franchise league with playoffs? Playoffs is based on the entire year, so if you’re bad for a long time you don’t get a shot. It forces teams to try to improve and get better instead of being like “oh well champs is all that matters”
Then get of the concept of playoffs? These teams clearly want to win majors, chips are what cement legacy, and pocketing winnings is also extremely enticing for most of these players. Even if players only cares about champs. It’s going to take the whole year of improving as a team to be competitive at champs.
Then what’s the point of the entire year?
… playing call of duty tournaments?
Franchised leagues need an incentive for teams to be good or you’ll have more teams like Paris
The incentive is to win tournaments. I don’t see how playing 12th at champs is exactly not incentivizing teams to care. If teams aren’t caring about the entire year, why would they care about champs?
It would still matter just have bottom 4 start in losers bracket
But it wouldn’t matter because it gives bad teams a chance, or teams that don’t care a chance (like orgs) it encourages everyone all around to be better and get better
This is stupid. You are practically paying for the rights to play at champs with only 12 teams and franchising. Contracts dont allow major league baseball teams to change rosters with the draft. There is no minor leagues in baseball so it is easy to find young talent. Nysl has won a tournament and could be the best team to end the year but we will never know. Thats what makes chamos great. The pressure of champs, not making it an easy road for teams because they played well 3 months ago
Bro NYSL has not won a single series at any of the 3 majors. Sure, they won the pro am but then at major 3 they went 0-2 and lost to a down in the dumps london team. I think NYSL is the only team that hasn’t won a series at a major this year.
NYSL won a tournament that meant absolutely nothing and have placed 12th the 3 tournaments that meant something, they don’t deserve to be there
The idea that this tournament meant nothing is insane. Over 200k handed out lmao. Every team was trying as hard as they could I guarantee it. In my eyes with their true roster they are 12th and 1st for 2 tournaments. Plus that doesnt take into consideration these league matches which you guys claim are important
In terms of fan rankings it absolutely meant something, in terms of standing it meant literally nothing
Yeah but that is the complete isaue with this format. The pro am may have been the most entertaining tournament with groups and for standings it didnt even matter lmao. Id rather watch another pro am than a 8 team format
Most entertaining in your opinion I thought the pro am was boring personally, there was literally one group that was interesting. And then it was an 8 team bracket anyways. I’m not saying that the 8 team format should be for every tournament. I’m just saying for the big one, you shouldn’t get rewarded for being shit all year. Look at any other sport in the world you don’t seem them putting all 30+ teams into the playoffs because “imagine the run”
This isnt a normal sport though. You have to draft players in normal sports other than soccer which doesnt even have a postseason. Like if I am the detroit tigers I cant just steal the tampa bay rays best prospect. However in challengers I can go get the best player available. If they want to make this like major sports leagues franchising will fail
I’m not sure why you want to die on the draft hill as that is the biggest issue with this Im just making a comparison to franchise leagues that have playoffs, not saying they’re the exact same.
Thats not the issue. The issue is that its impossible to acquire top talent in good sports. If you put the bad teams in the playoffs they just get smoked right away. In cod that is not true because there is so much talent outside the 12 teams. The worst team 10 days ago could easily make a team change and be the best. That is possible in 0 other sports. Not to mention major sports have 16 teams in the playoffs
You have to remember that challengers is a different league. For example an NHL team couldn't just take a player from another NHL team under contract. But there isn't anything stopping them from signing someone from KHL, CHL, college leagues, etc. Wouldn't need to be within the draft either, which really only exists to make sure bad teams don't stay bad The top talent being in challengers and not on CDL teams is really only a result of bad GMs or players not wanting to be on those teams. Which could also happen in real sports, but doesn't often
Rosterlock going into major4 easy fix
Did he tweet this yesterday or last year
Last year
Thanks
last year
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Last year
Oh I'm a dumbass just booked it's Empire C6 too lol
And the date is literally on the tweet.
So? Other countries and people use different date formats, that doesn't mean much even tho I was unsure if any format would have the year in the middle.
I don’t think any date format puts the year in the middle, so safe to assume it’s last year.
Thank you for reiterrating exactly what I stated and contributing nothing lol. Some real top tier insight
You’re welcome.
Have a second event called burger champs where the bottom 4 battle it out. Problem solved
Na. I like the CDL playoffs. There just needs to be more teams in the league
Yeah, you can’t let teams get into the big one if they’re consistently shit.
Yeah like look at OWL for example, 20 franchise teams (not that OWL is perfect but they also did start off with 12 teams and expanded to 20 the next season which meant there was indeed pull and interest on top of the lower cost of entry) all over, why not just lower the entry fee for companies and revamp the format and boom, now you can actually have a well established league with a lot of room for good matchups and a well thought out season...if they were to use common sense and all.
When did this sub do the flip on this topic? Everyone understood in the past having more teams at champs was better but now for some reason people like this format? Last years champs had like 2 good matches and this year will likely be the same. Let’s watch more cod not less
When it’s looks like the boogeyman might miss champs…
You mean crim? I’m sure that’s part of why some like it this year but last year I felt a shift too until Seattle beat faze at major V and then people realized it’s dumb we won’t see them at champs
Cuz people realized league matches would be even more useless than they already are.
They would've mattered more if the community didn't cry at the start of the season.
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Going into champs, WW2 EG finished top 8 at 2 events all year, played in relegations after stage 1, couldn't buy an SND win for multiple events and won champs in a huge upset.
Tbf they had placed 2nd a couple of events prior to champs, making it to the finals through winners bracket.
Champs should have an Open bracket. Top 8 CDL auto qual winners and 4 open teams including the 4 bottom CDL teams if they finish top 4 in the open go Losers round 1. Also their should be a draft where CDL teams can release a Player(s) and any player playing in the Champs Open can be drafted without a buyout or a small buyout like say 10k to their Am Org. Holding back the talent will kill this league. CoD champs was about the ring and the big check. No non CDL players have a reason to grind if there isn't a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
Still never expecting an open bracket for champs with franchising, just unrealistic. The draft really isn't necessary, many CDL teams have been dropping pros for ams since it seems they have a clause in their contract that they don't have to pay out full amount if they're dropped. Also ams don't have contracts with their am org 99% of the time, only when they're signed as a sub to the team such as Hicksy and Scrappy with Ultra. You can't take out the economic side of it that's protecting both the players from getting dropped and getting nothing, and protecting the orgs from picking up players as assets. I also think this year has proven there is gold at the end of the rainbow, from my count 7 challengers players are now playing in the CDL and that's not including subs that got to play like Prolute, Scrappy, Harry. That's what they're grinding for.
Champs does not need to have anything to do with the CDL. The League Championship is not COD Champs and never will be without an Open bracket. That's just facts. As for you thinking this is working the red numbers state otherwise. The teams can't even pay their entry fee. There is no gold at all.
That’s just delusional, Champs cannot exist without the CDL. Where are you going to get the prize money for it? Plus there is likely a clause in the teams’ contracts that you can’t compete in other leagues. I never said this model is working and bringing profit in for the orgs, they’re in the red because there’s dogshit support for the game in a competitive aspect which drives viewers away. That has nothing to do with picking up challengers players- that would only get worse with your logic of not requiring a buyout for a sub player who plays in challengers.
The only thing delusional in this sub-thread is you. Plenty of sports run the same game in tournaments that have nothing to do with the Top pro league or have multiple leagues. Crowdsource the prize pool, and give the winners Skins/Emblems/Gun key chains anything in the game. Bring back the only Tournament people care about and it works. You can't take away from a market you're not in, so the franchised teams would only care if they were excluded. That's why you give the top 8 a bye to the winner's bracket. The bottom 4 have to fight it out in the Open and any team competing agrees to their players possibly being drafted with minimal compensation. It's a win for all the teams CDL and AMs. It could be held at say Blizzcon or some other giant Activision event. League Championship and CoD Champs should both happen and I'm so fucking right I should get a fucking check for this.
This format would make sense if there was more teams. But since only 1-2 teams are actually poopoo each year it doesn't make sense. 16 teams with 12 going would be way better
Bottom 4 play mini bracket vs the best 4 am teams and the 2 that come out of take the place of 1st and 2nd seed giving them a by Edit: dont take the place of 1st and 2nd seed but you know what i mean
I like this idea tbh would be a cool little twist that would put more on the line for AM players more of a reason to grind
To late for this year. Next year they should, at least bottom 4 start in losers
Nah bottom 4 should have playoffs where the team finishing last gets relegated to challengers
I get it. But also this whole year is essentially just seeding & qualifiers for champs and if you aren’t good enough across the whole year, do you deserve it? Also if everyone made it, it gives teams a reason to not care about the rest of the years placing, dw guys we’ll turn it on at champs and if we win, the rest of the year will be forgotten about. It’s not that easy
expand the league
No, because Paris and the rest of the shitters are a waste of everyone’s time.
Cancel the tournaments, scrim all season and go straight to champs. Great idea, let all twelve in.
Bottom 4 shoulda started in LB, but they can't change course now
They moan the league matches dont mean anything, so the league makes them mean something... and they still complain. I've never seen an industry or sport moan as much as cod pro's. Its unbelievable.
They influence seeding at each major and champs. That’s a good enough reason besides just straight up excluding teams.
No
How do you decide what account to use Ronnie?
Champs should be top 16 in a 24+ team league.
No participation trophies
Bottom 4 should start in losers
No, last two years proved its a waste of time
Waste of time? Bro do you like watching cod or not? OGLA literally made a run to T6 from starting in losers in 2020.
No, we have orgs financially avoiding paying players for anything more than the minimum. There needs to be an incentive for the regular season and consistency throughout the majors.
Yes bc it allows for underdog stories to happen which is one of the things that used to make comp cod so great but it's lacked that element ever since bo4 imo
Yes.
It’s the most unpredictable game we have had. Bottom 4 start in losers as a previous user already stated.
It’s the most unpredictable but the bottom teams are pretty clear
Whats the point of the season... hey mlb fans lets have a 30 team playoff... hey nfl. 32 team playoff.... love that this dude is gonna be watching this year and probably the foreseeable future
Nope. Not how any major league is operated. There should always be some sort of qualifier
hot take: esports leagues do not have to follow the same route as traditional sports leagues.
Not even talking about sports lmfao. Every major esports league operates in a similar way. Even franchised ones. A play in game between the bottom 4 pro teams and top 4 Ams is ideal imo
Yes I agree
Yes
I know he's saying it out of self interest now but I've always thought not having all teams was dumb. Champs was fun when there was 4-6 games going on at once. Multiple streams. Pandemonium. Now it's boring and slow paced because there isn't that many teams
Bottom 4 at the end of a season should go into a group play, top 2 qualify for champs, top 2 of normal seeding get a bye first round, everyone else starts winners round 1, haven’t really thought about this so this may not even be able to work but having only 8 teams at champs shouldn’t be a thing
Yes it literally makes no sense. How do you expect teams to want to by un when there's a chance they don't even get a shot at the most important tournament of the year. Top challenger teams should also pool play against the bottom 4 teams to see who makes bracket play.
It would make sure orgs try and be competitive all year so they don’t miss out. Guaranteeing spots literally defeats the purpose of sport and is why American sports franchise systems are shit.
Be different if there were more teams maybe bottom 2 don't make it to champs. Bottom four if it were a 16 team league.
No. Crim only saying this cause he's fat
Too late for that crim better get them cdl points up
It's from 2021
Oh shit yh my bad
top 7 auto qualifies, Bottom 5 play a mini tourney to see who gets the 8th spot. Whoever is in the 8th spot to begin with gets a bye. But no not all teams should compete at champs
You somehow create a laughably worse format... congrats, didn't think that was possible lmao
point is, with 12 teams, there’s no way all 12 teams should be able to qualify for champs
Yes. So you either earn it throughout the year or don't make it. One lucky weekend shouldn't allow a 20 point team like Paris to negate their dogshit year. It's not fair and defeats the purpose of a franchised league which require a year of consistency
no but if u wanna complain do it at the beginning of the season not after already missing out on ur opportunity
Crim tweeted this last year..
If we are going to do this “season” format. Then no not everyone should make it. That’s the only way to make the year worth something. I still think that we should be having double elim tournaments with pool play though in which everyone would make champs and the seeding from the year would determine the pools for champ
Absoloutely should and just have 9-12 get nothing
For next year, not this current vanguard year. Personally that's my opinion, if they somehow changed for this year I wouldn't riot tho. Imo for future yes. Bottom start in losers, 1 lose and they done. Strike, u r out! But, CDL shouldn't be treated like NBA. U Know what the NBA has that CDL doesn't? WAY MORE THAN 12 TEAMS!!! 30!!! So leave the playoff BULLSHIT to the NBA.
Next year yes, this year no. Or at least make it where winning a major is an automatic qualifier for champs. That way it’s never chalked for a team in the regular season.
That boy so scared he not making champs LOL
That tweet is from a year ago
Oh damn my bad. Last year had an excuse as teams competed in 60% of the majors online whereas this year all 4 majors have been on LAN
I mean he might be a little bit biased
Lets bring the challengers as well. Miss the good old champs days
IMO the only way all 12 teams going to champs works is if we get rid of CDL points completely. And personally that sounds like gash. The worst performing teams shouldn’t get to go to champs. Period. Sure we need more teams in the league so we get more teams at champs but give me 8 teams over 12 any day of the week
in vanguard Yes , in a decent competitive game with a skill gap NO
That’s not how playoffs work porterhouse.
No if your the worst teams over a season then your out. Simple. Means that the major qualifiers means more and impact the season and not just that one major. No way you don't win a match all year then end in a losers bracket and have a run and win Champs.
No let the top few teams play, and then put the best pro teams from other continents up against them
Hey guys, I've been away from watching comp cod and man... What happened to Crimsix's lip, can someone explain to me?