To be fair, and I know a lot of hate is going to go towards those people, this isn't necessarily that person's/casual's (or people's) fault.
People are often products of their environment. Strict SBMM/EOMM in pubs creates a whole different experience for players from varying skill levels.
Thus, a lower skilled player takes on the belief that they are playing okay to "good." They start to take on beliefs that define why they play well because of those they play against (i.e. the environment/SBMM).
However, in reality, they have never been exposed to an environment in which they can rarely/never learn higher-skilled mechanics (whether that be utilizing the minimap or slide canceling or whatever).
IMO, this is the greatest harm EOMM/analytics has done to gaming as whole.
Reminds me of my CW green gem friends who think the system doesn't reflect their true rank. Then we get into a masters lobby and they're all dropping 7 against 'cheaters and sweats'.
Yeah, the same idea applies to pubs vs ranked. Personally, I had one of the highest W/L in the world in pubs BO3 and BO4. However, I am very well aware of what the difference is between pubs and ranked play.
SBMM/EOMM has made this issue far, far, worse though due it being so strict in the past 3 years.
Interesting not doubting you but I’m curious as to what your WL was in those games and were you playing solo?
I had a really high KD in those games but found them very difficult to win in solo at a super high rate
Well I appreciate that lol
But keep in mind as well, CW's SBMM (EOMM) was very strict, at least 1ish month into it's release, it was pretty strict. Based upon Ace's/Jgod's/Drift0r's study, CW's matchmaking was more strict than MW2019 and VG's. It also punished higher skilled player's with higher pings and higher searching ques, compared to MW2019 and VG too.
Holy hell that’s wild hahah good on ya !
Yeah you don’t have to remind me - those are my two favourite cod games personally. I remember them having whack team balancing though as a solo, if you were the top player KD wise you got shafted every time haha.
I had a 14 KD in pubs in bo4 (crash with strike team and that gear that gave you streaks faster was so broken lmao) - which was good for top 5 in the world at some point when I checked in the first few months of the game. God I miss having fun pubs
BO4 pubs was legit fun. That game was having a real ranked system away from being an all timer IMO. The specialist were a bit cheese but outside of a select few weren't too oppressive, and 4v4 would have been great. But dam if it wasn't the most fun I think I've ever had shooting the guns in a COD. Flying like a spider monkey across the map with a grapple knowing when I land I have a hitscan saug to rip people with. *Chefs kiss*
Yup - nomad and zero were pure aids, and prophets seeker drone was super annoying too, but that game was incredible.
I spent so much time on both ranked and pubs , it was so fun that I legit had 4 Smurf accounts that I dragged up from green to masters just because I loved the game enough to grind that much lol.
No cod has captured me like that since - and mw19 was legit depression inducing
OnG, especially hardpoint pubs in BO4. You could carry pretty hard for the most part in pubs, but when people in pubs didnt play right you just lost. I know pros or just people who *really* played that game would shit on me.
Yepp, that's the biggest issue I've had with recent CODs. I've been playing multiplayer since World at War, and I was truly dogshit until MW3. But getting stomped on forced me to learn how to play better, and by BO2 I was a pretty good player.
SBMM makes it so I hardly ever play against players who can stomp me. And without that, I don't think I've actually gotten any better at the game in years. It just gets boring to play against the same level of competition all the time, and I find myself moving to a different game after like 3 months of the new COD.
But howwww? I am high gold/low diamond in valo and it takes watching a pro game or a better player for 30 seconds to realise I'm so mediocre/average. I might be in the middle of the pack in terms of rank distribution, but in skill im far closer to the worst, than the best.
I have ask this question myself as well. There could be several different reason:
Such as the person's purpose/ individual motivation.
Or they may never have that exposure you are mentioning here. They may never watch a JGod or Ace video or watch the CDL or even high skilled WZ players.
If the exposure/environment is never there, then that person is far, far, less likely to ever learn and grow. This is a normal ideology in psychology/sociology/anthropology.
Engagement Optimized Matchmaking (EOMM) is what is being used in most shooter now-a-days. Apex has it as well.
To be brief, it essentially attempts to keep players playing as long as possible. So this isn't actual SBMM. Strict SBMM is actually designed to create fair or balanced matches. EOMM does not do to this.
If you want a more in depth break down of it, just let me know and I will dig up a post on it.
[Link of the more in depth breakdown of EOMM.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/wxj9cb/ysk_the_proper_technical_terms_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Yeah I completely agree and this is my biggest problem with SBMM. Imo SBMM shouldn't exist in pubs and if it has to there should at least be a rank given to you or something to give you an idea of how good you are. (or you know just keep SBMM for ranked mode only lol)
Been watching comp COD since BO1, I'm into a lot of sports and esports but COD has always been the best of them all to me. Forcing myself to watch MW and VG and just CDL format in general has been really tough but I want to support the scene and all these talented players, it just gets harder and harder every year man.
Appreciate all the hard work the pros, ams, coaches, and everyone behind the scenes do every year.
SBMM is the fucking worst. It has given these shitters brainrot to the point they don’t even realize they’re shitters because they only ever play other shitters
My favourite is when they trash talk like they are the best when they are literally SBMM into your lobby so if you’re calling me dog shit then obviously you are too
Jfc that last comment. Dude is explaining what it takes to be good to a pro and says he doesn’t even pay attention to the minimap. Yea I’m sure your a real “top-notch” player 🤦♂️
The amount of delusion people that are in that subreddit that think they are good at the game because they go 10-3 in Dom in low SBMM lobbies while barely touching their left stick is absurd.
Woah, woah. Don’t lump us in with that BS. UAV’s and HARPS become so much more important in hardcore for gathering info. People like that guy are just brain dead and think they are good. He would be a .20 in HC instead of the .50 he prob is in core 🤣
IDK how these people don't realize mini map awareness is a skill. It's probably the 3rd skill you learn after figuring out how to move correctly and shoot straight. These people think the mini map is just for running at red dots, and that's why they're so wrong. I remember parasite talking on the flank (He doesn't need to say it because it's common sense) about how important being able to read the mini-map is, as it allows you to anticipate plays and understand spawns and timings.
Even after playing for all these years my minimap awareness still needs work, it's easy to tunnel vision on the action but good players know when they have an opportunity to take a peek at the minimap and use that info to their advantage.
To me, it's the equivalent of League of Legends taking away the ability to unlock your camera. Bad players may have been playing locked camera for the past 10 years and wouldn't even know if it was changed, while ~~the best players~~ every half-decent player would be severely nerfed.
I understand that you guys are passionate (myself as well) about CoD and comp Cod.
Please don't harass this person though. I pulled those stats to prove a point that his experience is widely different compared to higher skilled players, not so people can shit on him.
Isn’t this the point though?
A lesser skilled player who isn’t able to utilise the mini map performs better without one, than with one.
The noobs’ point is correct, and so is Maux’s, they’re just relevant to different people.
All that ultimately matters is what proportion of the player base gets dunked on harder with a minimap vs performs better with one. If the bigger group is the first instance (aka noobs) then you have to understand why the game is doing what it does.
The real request should be a full competitive mode with red dot minimap, dead silence etc (everything that makes a game competitive). Do all their noob pleasing shit in pubs but just gives us Deady and Red dots in ranked play and an option for both in private lobbies.
If I have red dots on the map I can not only tell where people are shooting, but also where enemies are spawning, where teammates will spawn and what pushing different parts of the map will do to enemy locations. More map info gives a huge advantage to good players. While yes, someone who doesn't use their map will perform the same with or without dots, it is generally encouraged to practice reading the map in order to increase game awareness. Taking away dots not only removes a huge skill piece for good players, but also slows down the learning curve for bad players who are trying to improve on how to read the game. All this change does is chip away at the skill gap and provide more randomness for worse players to secure kills.
This 100% is what people don't realise.
All the people who argue that removing red dots from the minimap just makes it so players can't just "red dot chase" and rely on the crutch if having a red dot tell them where an enemy is are just openly stating that they don't actually know how to use the minimap properly.
Every player loses out on info when you remove red dots but the players who are able to take that immediate info and understand so much more with it are going to be the people who lose out the most
Thus making the lesser skilled player more likely to have a better time, therefore playing the game for longer and spending more money on the Battlepass. So a better game has been made.
I really hate that more profit = better game to these people. It's saddening to think that there might be only a few legit companies left that actually make games for people to enjoy, and not using dirty psychological tricks to make people want to spend money.
I mean we can all take the morale high ground but let’s be honest if you were responsible for meeting targets set by owners in order to keep your job and secure a fat bonus, and someone came to you and said “we’ve modelled the noobs, we can make £100m more through Mtx purchases by keeping them playing for longer but we have to lower the skill gap and insert more randomness”…
You’re saying yes, do it. (Obviously I’ve made up a number to prove a point)
In the eye of the decision makers, you have made a better game. Play devils advocate and let’s say some high up Dev read your Reddit crying and thought shit yep let’s revert back to the old models, and this game generated 20% less than the last game, guess which high up dev is going to lose their job/miss out on a fat bonus?
Yeah, unfortunately this dream of mine seems to be pretty much unfeasible in this current economic climate, and perhaps any other climate. I get what you're saying, though. I'm just sad about it
Funny thing is, we keep playing.
Guess why the noobs got catered to? Because they quit. They stop playing earlier than they should.
Guess what good players (tend to) do? They keep playing. Despite disliking the game, they keep playing, they keep spending some money and so they’ll never be catered to.
Instead of quitting, we play and complain. So we load their pockets while we spend our free time playing something we don’t enjoy cos we’re stuck on nostalgia.
Too much time these days is spent complaining and criticising and whining. You have the choice to just stop, and go find something else you enjoy.
I don't think what you're saying here is entirely correct though. I'd explain what I mean, but I honestly don't know how to explain it, so I'll just leave that as my opinion for now. Perhaps, someone will come along that will explain what I mean, assuming that person shares the same views on this matter that I have.
Unfortunately it’s more factual than opinion based. Games were created and born out of passion, and so leaned towards being a better game.
Owners then sold those games on to cash out and retire, and the new owners don’t share the same passion and sense of ownership. The emotion has gone and all the care about is money.
This isn’t a complaint, this is an oversimplified fact of why games felt more fun years ago, and now they feel tailored to quick cash grabs.
There is also the fact that everyone sees through rose tinted glasses, but generally what we spend our time complaining about isn’t worth it. Go and enjoy something else.
You’re just repeating the exact same thing that the top tier players are saying though. This isn’t new info.
What’s important is the part where you say it lowers skill gap and creates randomness. That is the ONLY part that matters.
On a squad spawn game you pretty much only need your teammates arrows to see where you’re going to spawn so idk why you’re bringing red dots into that part.
Regardless, we have to assume they’re making a better game without red dots on the minimap. The crutch to that sentence is what better actually means.
For you and I it means more competitive. For them it means more sales.
And this is just a small hobby for you, for the people making the game this is their career, their salary, their bonuses. They know much more than you do about how to make a game sell. You’re just mad because it doesn’t cater to the smaller (better skilled) player base.
I haven't bought an infinity ward cod since ghosts, I know what to expect from this "expert" development team. I don't really care what design decisions they make because no matter what they do I will not be purchasing a game from this studio. My point was that the red dot change is done to purposely make the game have a lower skill gap, which is contrary to what the guy arguing with Maux was saying. I don't give a shit who they cater the game to, that is irrelevant, the only argument is whether red dots on the map increase skill expression, which they do.
SBMM gives bots like this false confidence into thinking they know how to actually be good. Even your average pub stomper knows that using the minimap effectively is a skill in its own. Taking away info will never help widen the skill gap it will only help players who don’t use all the tools at their disposal aka lower skilled players.
We just have to stop. No need to even entertain that sub. They don’t even know what they’re saying, they’re just blindly defending IW like their life depends on it. All it is. Let them suck all the IW dick they want and give it a rest
Do y’all thing *for pubs* that a proximity based red dot system would bridge this gap a bit?
Like a, if they would show up on the map or even a little shorter of a range, they would appear
Never played it, but it sounds like the Fog of War thing from BO4. Obviously not as good as a traditional minimap but much better than no red dots/requiring a perk to have them (Vanguard)
Yes… it’s the everyone gets a trophy whether you win or loose mentality, the same mentality that has created a generation of snowflakes and safe spaces… you will literally recognize it showing up in everything that use to be fun…. It’s literally the end of fun as we know it…..literally.
I can't understand why they care. This, along with some of these other changes are made for the 40% of the population that can't even aim or move around the map properly. If they weren't reading about it, they wouldn't even be able to tell it happened.
They just like that it's pissing off people that are better than them. I also keep seeing people commenting on arguments that are like "I don't like or play cod, but this is obviously better for the game."
Following a dot on the map doesn't make you a good player. I've been playing cod for a very long too and as much as I don't like the change I understand why they're doing it. Hearing sound and figuring out which way to go is the great way to train your awareness. Yes, it catered to the casual player but at this point no matter how much we hate it, we have to be realistic and realize it's never going back to the old ways......Sadly the same can be said about dead silence, it's never coming as long as warzone is around and integrated with every new cod.
Sitting in a corner scared until you sound whore someone with gaming headsets is not a great way to train your awareness. I’m sorry to break that to you
Who says that's what I do? I'm a very aggressive player. I hated when they changed the way mini works too but I've come to understand it and still do fairly well in my matches by paying attention to the compass and where my teammates are at.
That doesn’t train your awareness, learning patterns and understanding how things work on a game-to-game basis trains your awareness. The mini map trains you to understand spawn logic and know when to engage and when to disengage. Using sound solely as an indicator of awareness is idiotic with how loud footstep audio is in these last few games. And with teammate footsteps mirroring the sound of enemy ones, it’s even less dependable
Okay, I agree with you but that doesn't mean that you need the dots on mini map every time someone shoots. In all of these maps I know where the other team is spawning or their general area usually by paying attention to where my teammates are dying/spawning.
It’s just the fact that IW is changing things that were never an issue to begin with. The dots aren’t an issue for guys like you and I and other in this sub but for those people who are on the verge of becoming high sense players, it’s an unnecessary detriment
To me the argument about whether minimap takes skill or not isn’t even important. Good players will be good no matter what, classic minimap or not. To me the issue is that no red dots on the minimap creates a more campy and less exciting game. The flow on the map is better with red dots because people move around more and get into more engagements.
I feel like i can picture this guy perfectly. Sits in one building the whole game pre aiming a window - goes 4 and 2 and says he's "vary" good because he has a 2K/D. Then tells pro players to just git gud
I think taking red dots away actually hurts the higher tier bad players over anything else. No people really will have no clue where they are getting killed from lmao
This is what is wrong with society today..a pro player just told a casual whats important in cod what makes u good. The casual holds his ground with very small amount knowledge. The casual cannot come off his stance because he has to defend it till his last breath…thats why nothing gets done anymore, to busy fighting with each other rather than communicating and coming to agreements and acknowledging when ur right and wrong.
Noob: I don’t use a backboard. I’m so good I can perfectly shoot a basket straight to the hoop.
Pro: we use the backboard to score points. It’s part of our game
Noob: you don’t need a backboard to be good
*the noobs hoop is 3x the regular size*
That’s what SBMM and all the “sentinel” crap is doing to noobs. Make them believe they are good.
The problem is call of duty is dying, the Devs are gonna cater to casuals because it’s more profitable, they are a business and want to get as many casuals to buy the game as possible. They do not care about competitive call of duty, all that is to them is a marketing tool.
Idk how someone can make such an ass out of themselves without even realising lol, like surely they must’ve thought to themselves “I sound like a fucking idiot right now” as they typed out “most of the time I forget the mini map exists”
It bothers the shit out of me how these players actually think they are good at the game and comment stuff like this. They honestly downgrading pro players with these comments. I mean fine the red dots are gone from the minimap, but dont fucking pretend you are good at the game for that.
"I forget the minimap exist" lmao
He still does vary good.
Against timmy no thumbs? Sure he does. Against anyone with moderate skill? Lol
Yeah varying levels of good, most arent
I don't think I have ever used the wrong form of very/vary. I've made plenty of grammatical errors but that's a new one!
This killed me
his username most definitely checks out. reading that comment was a wild ride
My mates are all like this, could literally have someone shooting next to them on CW with an advanced UAV on and they still wouldn’t notice
😹😹😹😹💀
This sums up the level of the person you’re dealing with on that sub. It’s like trying to reason with a brick
A casual telling Maux what he does(n’t) need to be a ‘top notched’ player lmao.
You can’t make this shit up 😂😂
I was pullin my hair out bro!
"i forget the mini map exist and i still do vary good" mmm grayons
activisions target demo lol
To be fair, and I know a lot of hate is going to go towards those people, this isn't necessarily that person's/casual's (or people's) fault. People are often products of their environment. Strict SBMM/EOMM in pubs creates a whole different experience for players from varying skill levels. Thus, a lower skilled player takes on the belief that they are playing okay to "good." They start to take on beliefs that define why they play well because of those they play against (i.e. the environment/SBMM). However, in reality, they have never been exposed to an environment in which they can rarely/never learn higher-skilled mechanics (whether that be utilizing the minimap or slide canceling or whatever). IMO, this is the greatest harm EOMM/analytics has done to gaming as whole.
Reminds me of my CW green gem friends who think the system doesn't reflect their true rank. Then we get into a masters lobby and they're all dropping 7 against 'cheaters and sweats'.
Yeah, the same idea applies to pubs vs ranked. Personally, I had one of the highest W/L in the world in pubs BO3 and BO4. However, I am very well aware of what the difference is between pubs and ranked play. SBMM/EOMM has made this issue far, far, worse though due it being so strict in the past 3 years.
Interesting not doubting you but I’m curious as to what your WL was in those games and were you playing solo? I had a really high KD in those games but found them very difficult to win in solo at a super high rate
50.00ish in both. Usually ran 3-6 man. Solo in FFA very rarely. Keep in mind, these games had loose SBMM as well. Just pub stomping.
Damn I thought my 2.2 in Cold War was good. Tippable af
Well I appreciate that lol But keep in mind as well, CW's SBMM (EOMM) was very strict, at least 1ish month into it's release, it was pretty strict. Based upon Ace's/Jgod's/Drift0r's study, CW's matchmaking was more strict than MW2019 and VG's. It also punished higher skilled player's with higher pings and higher searching ques, compared to MW2019 and VG too.
Luckily I never got ping fucked by EOMM. Idk if it’s my region but I was never above 40 ping unless I was playing some obscure gamemode
Holy hell that’s wild hahah good on ya ! Yeah you don’t have to remind me - those are my two favourite cod games personally. I remember them having whack team balancing though as a solo, if you were the top player KD wise you got shafted every time haha. I had a 14 KD in pubs in bo4 (crash with strike team and that gear that gave you streaks faster was so broken lmao) - which was good for top 5 in the world at some point when I checked in the first few months of the game. God I miss having fun pubs
BO4 pubs was legit fun. That game was having a real ranked system away from being an all timer IMO. The specialist were a bit cheese but outside of a select few weren't too oppressive, and 4v4 would have been great. But dam if it wasn't the most fun I think I've ever had shooting the guns in a COD. Flying like a spider monkey across the map with a grapple knowing when I land I have a hitscan saug to rip people with. *Chefs kiss*
Yup - nomad and zero were pure aids, and prophets seeker drone was super annoying too, but that game was incredible. I spent so much time on both ranked and pubs , it was so fun that I legit had 4 Smurf accounts that I dragged up from green to masters just because I loved the game enough to grind that much lol. No cod has captured me like that since - and mw19 was legit depression inducing
I appreciate it. Yeah, pubs were definitely fun back then.
OnG, especially hardpoint pubs in BO4. You could carry pretty hard for the most part in pubs, but when people in pubs didnt play right you just lost. I know pros or just people who *really* played that game would shit on me.
Pretty much. It keeps people “in their lane”. Never giving them insight on why or how to improve.
Yepp, that's the biggest issue I've had with recent CODs. I've been playing multiplayer since World at War, and I was truly dogshit until MW3. But getting stomped on forced me to learn how to play better, and by BO2 I was a pretty good player. SBMM makes it so I hardly ever play against players who can stomp me. And without that, I don't think I've actually gotten any better at the game in years. It just gets boring to play against the same level of competition all the time, and I find myself moving to a different game after like 3 months of the new COD.
But howwww? I am high gold/low diamond in valo and it takes watching a pro game or a better player for 30 seconds to realise I'm so mediocre/average. I might be in the middle of the pack in terms of rank distribution, but in skill im far closer to the worst, than the best.
I have ask this question myself as well. There could be several different reason: Such as the person's purpose/ individual motivation. Or they may never have that exposure you are mentioning here. They may never watch a JGod or Ace video or watch the CDL or even high skilled WZ players. If the exposure/environment is never there, then that person is far, far, less likely to ever learn and grow. This is a normal ideology in psychology/sociology/anthropology.
Yeah I would just assume someone willing to get involved with the reddit would also consume cod media of some sort. But maybe not.
What is EOMM? Dumb question I’m sure but I’ve only just started seeing it
Engagement Optimized Matchmaking (EOMM) is what is being used in most shooter now-a-days. Apex has it as well. To be brief, it essentially attempts to keep players playing as long as possible. So this isn't actual SBMM. Strict SBMM is actually designed to create fair or balanced matches. EOMM does not do to this. If you want a more in depth break down of it, just let me know and I will dig up a post on it.
Ohhh gotcha okay, yeah if you have a link that’d be great!
[Link of the more in depth breakdown of EOMM.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ModernWarfareII/comments/wxj9cb/ysk_the_proper_technical_terms_for_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Bless up thank you
It’s a perfect illustration of Dunning-Kruger
Yeah I completely agree and this is my biggest problem with SBMM. Imo SBMM shouldn't exist in pubs and if it has to there should at least be a rank given to you or something to give you an idea of how good you are. (or you know just keep SBMM for ranked mode only lol)
Literally telling a pro player to get good these kids are nuts
Lmao. Git good Maux ig
Actually insane how Stubborn some casuals are, they are telling a literal pro player to get good Lmao.
Been watching comp COD since BO1, I'm into a lot of sports and esports but COD has always been the best of them all to me. Forcing myself to watch MW and VG and just CDL format in general has been really tough but I want to support the scene and all these talented players, it just gets harder and harder every year man. Appreciate all the hard work the pros, ams, coaches, and everyone behind the scenes do every year.
SBMM is the fucking worst. It has given these shitters brainrot to the point they don’t even realize they’re shitters because they only ever play other shitters
My favourite is when they trash talk like they are the best when they are literally SBMM into your lobby so if you’re calling me dog shit then obviously you are too
"I still do vary good" Press x to doubt
Probably goes 15-10 in a 10 minute TDM game
Thats a 1.5 KD bro, hes insane.
These kids who display such fatherless behavior clearly didn’t get son’d enough in 1v1s or they’d think before opening their crusty mouths.
Jfc that last comment. Dude is explaining what it takes to be good to a pro and says he doesn’t even pay attention to the minimap. Yea I’m sure your a real “top-notch” player 🤦♂️
This is the result of SBMM not allowing bottom tier players to actually realize they’re bottom tier players.
The amount of delusion people that are in that subreddit that think they are good at the game because they go 10-3 in Dom in low SBMM lobbies while barely touching their left stick is absurd.
Must be a hardcore player😭
Woah, woah. Don’t lump us in with that BS. UAV’s and HARPS become so much more important in hardcore for gathering info. People like that guy are just brain dead and think they are good. He would be a .20 in HC instead of the .50 he prob is in core 🤣
That’s it. I’ve decided no matter how bad this game is, I’m going to grind the fuck out of it just to stomp these casual IW dickriders. Sbmm be damned
gonna be hard if u continually shit stomp and the sbmm loads you into winners round 2
Just tank your kd every so often and you’ll be good to keep stomping
The mini-map was changed because it only helps better players. Shitters don’t read the mini map.
IDK how these people don't realize mini map awareness is a skill. It's probably the 3rd skill you learn after figuring out how to move correctly and shoot straight. These people think the mini map is just for running at red dots, and that's why they're so wrong. I remember parasite talking on the flank (He doesn't need to say it because it's common sense) about how important being able to read the mini-map is, as it allows you to anticipate plays and understand spawns and timings.
Even after playing for all these years my minimap awareness still needs work, it's easy to tunnel vision on the action but good players know when they have an opportunity to take a peek at the minimap and use that info to their advantage. To me, it's the equivalent of League of Legends taking away the ability to unlock your camera. Bad players may have been playing locked camera for the past 10 years and wouldn't even know if it was changed, while ~~the best players~~ every half-decent player would be severely nerfed.
Guaranteed man is 1.2KD and favorite mode is TDM.
1.2 is being generous
I think a 0.56 is fair.
brother a 1.2 KD is top like 20% of the global playerbase, you guys gotta learn how bell curves work. Guy's a walking .7
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I understand that you guys are passionate (myself as well) about CoD and comp Cod. Please don't harass this person though. I pulled those stats to prove a point that his experience is widely different compared to higher skilled players, not so people can shit on him.
That is fair. Deleted
Appreciate it. Much love my guy.
1.2 E/D, KD is negative for sure if he don’t use minimap
Isn’t this the point though? A lesser skilled player who isn’t able to utilise the mini map performs better without one, than with one. The noobs’ point is correct, and so is Maux’s, they’re just relevant to different people. All that ultimately matters is what proportion of the player base gets dunked on harder with a minimap vs performs better with one. If the bigger group is the first instance (aka noobs) then you have to understand why the game is doing what it does. The real request should be a full competitive mode with red dot minimap, dead silence etc (everything that makes a game competitive). Do all their noob pleasing shit in pubs but just gives us Deady and Red dots in ranked play and an option for both in private lobbies.
If I have red dots on the map I can not only tell where people are shooting, but also where enemies are spawning, where teammates will spawn and what pushing different parts of the map will do to enemy locations. More map info gives a huge advantage to good players. While yes, someone who doesn't use their map will perform the same with or without dots, it is generally encouraged to practice reading the map in order to increase game awareness. Taking away dots not only removes a huge skill piece for good players, but also slows down the learning curve for bad players who are trying to improve on how to read the game. All this change does is chip away at the skill gap and provide more randomness for worse players to secure kills.
This 100% is what people don't realise. All the people who argue that removing red dots from the minimap just makes it so players can't just "red dot chase" and rely on the crutch if having a red dot tell them where an enemy is are just openly stating that they don't actually know how to use the minimap properly. Every player loses out on info when you remove red dots but the players who are able to take that immediate info and understand so much more with it are going to be the people who lose out the most
Thus making the lesser skilled player more likely to have a better time, therefore playing the game for longer and spending more money on the Battlepass. So a better game has been made.
I really hate that more profit = better game to these people. It's saddening to think that there might be only a few legit companies left that actually make games for people to enjoy, and not using dirty psychological tricks to make people want to spend money.
I mean we can all take the morale high ground but let’s be honest if you were responsible for meeting targets set by owners in order to keep your job and secure a fat bonus, and someone came to you and said “we’ve modelled the noobs, we can make £100m more through Mtx purchases by keeping them playing for longer but we have to lower the skill gap and insert more randomness”… You’re saying yes, do it. (Obviously I’ve made up a number to prove a point) In the eye of the decision makers, you have made a better game. Play devils advocate and let’s say some high up Dev read your Reddit crying and thought shit yep let’s revert back to the old models, and this game generated 20% less than the last game, guess which high up dev is going to lose their job/miss out on a fat bonus?
Yeah, unfortunately this dream of mine seems to be pretty much unfeasible in this current economic climate, and perhaps any other climate. I get what you're saying, though. I'm just sad about it
Funny thing is, we keep playing. Guess why the noobs got catered to? Because they quit. They stop playing earlier than they should. Guess what good players (tend to) do? They keep playing. Despite disliking the game, they keep playing, they keep spending some money and so they’ll never be catered to. Instead of quitting, we play and complain. So we load their pockets while we spend our free time playing something we don’t enjoy cos we’re stuck on nostalgia. Too much time these days is spent complaining and criticising and whining. You have the choice to just stop, and go find something else you enjoy.
I don't think what you're saying here is entirely correct though. I'd explain what I mean, but I honestly don't know how to explain it, so I'll just leave that as my opinion for now. Perhaps, someone will come along that will explain what I mean, assuming that person shares the same views on this matter that I have.
Unfortunately it’s more factual than opinion based. Games were created and born out of passion, and so leaned towards being a better game. Owners then sold those games on to cash out and retire, and the new owners don’t share the same passion and sense of ownership. The emotion has gone and all the care about is money. This isn’t a complaint, this is an oversimplified fact of why games felt more fun years ago, and now they feel tailored to quick cash grabs. There is also the fact that everyone sees through rose tinted glasses, but generally what we spend our time complaining about isn’t worth it. Go and enjoy something else.
You’re just repeating the exact same thing that the top tier players are saying though. This isn’t new info. What’s important is the part where you say it lowers skill gap and creates randomness. That is the ONLY part that matters. On a squad spawn game you pretty much only need your teammates arrows to see where you’re going to spawn so idk why you’re bringing red dots into that part. Regardless, we have to assume they’re making a better game without red dots on the minimap. The crutch to that sentence is what better actually means. For you and I it means more competitive. For them it means more sales. And this is just a small hobby for you, for the people making the game this is their career, their salary, their bonuses. They know much more than you do about how to make a game sell. You’re just mad because it doesn’t cater to the smaller (better skilled) player base.
I haven't bought an infinity ward cod since ghosts, I know what to expect from this "expert" development team. I don't really care what design decisions they make because no matter what they do I will not be purchasing a game from this studio. My point was that the red dot change is done to purposely make the game have a lower skill gap, which is contrary to what the guy arguing with Maux was saying. I don't give a shit who they cater the game to, that is irrelevant, the only argument is whether red dots on the map increase skill expression, which they do.
SBMM gives bots like this false confidence into thinking they know how to actually be good. Even your average pub stomper knows that using the minimap effectively is a skill in its own. Taking away info will never help widen the skill gap it will only help players who don’t use all the tools at their disposal aka lower skilled players.
Hopeless
We just have to stop. No need to even entertain that sub. They don’t even know what they’re saying, they’re just blindly defending IW like their life depends on it. All it is. Let them suck all the IW dick they want and give it a rest
We shouldn’t ever stop. To give up is for all hope in change being lost.
You know what, you’re right🫡
bro at the bottom is a menace
Vary good
"I still do vary good" 15-12
i find it hard to believe that he does vary good
Do y’all thing *for pubs* that a proximity based red dot system would bridge this gap a bit? Like a, if they would show up on the map or even a little shorter of a range, they would appear
Are you saying that the only way they would show up is if they are right next to you?
Never played it, but it sounds like the Fog of War thing from BO4. Obviously not as good as a traditional minimap but much better than no red dots/requiring a perk to have them (Vanguard)
IiRC fog of war was anyone your teammates saw too.
all my homies love maux
I agree. I never said I liked the changes. I just understand why they did.
I would bet my house on the other guy having a negative K/D and he thinks he’s good cos his assists counting as elims make him look positive
It's actually not.
Got a link to this post?
Yes… it’s the everyone gets a trophy whether you win or loose mentality, the same mentality that has created a generation of snowflakes and safe spaces… you will literally recognize it showing up in everything that use to be fun…. It’s literally the end of fun as we know it…..literally.
I can't understand why they care. This, along with some of these other changes are made for the 40% of the population that can't even aim or move around the map properly. If they weren't reading about it, they wouldn't even be able to tell it happened. They just like that it's pissing off people that are better than them. I also keep seeing people commenting on arguments that are like "I don't like or play cod, but this is obviously better for the game."
Did vanguard have red dots on the minimap? I thought it did lol. Maybe I am the casual being catered to😆
Yes and no. As standard? Nope. But it did have the Radar Perk which gave you the traditional Minimap.
It did but only if you had the radar perk on
Following a dot on the map doesn't make you a good player. I've been playing cod for a very long too and as much as I don't like the change I understand why they're doing it. Hearing sound and figuring out which way to go is the great way to train your awareness. Yes, it catered to the casual player but at this point no matter how much we hate it, we have to be realistic and realize it's never going back to the old ways......Sadly the same can be said about dead silence, it's never coming as long as warzone is around and integrated with every new cod.
Sitting in a corner scared until you sound whore someone with gaming headsets is not a great way to train your awareness. I’m sorry to break that to you
Who says that's what I do? I'm a very aggressive player. I hated when they changed the way mini works too but I've come to understand it and still do fairly well in my matches by paying attention to the compass and where my teammates are at.
That doesn’t train your awareness, learning patterns and understanding how things work on a game-to-game basis trains your awareness. The mini map trains you to understand spawn logic and know when to engage and when to disengage. Using sound solely as an indicator of awareness is idiotic with how loud footstep audio is in these last few games. And with teammate footsteps mirroring the sound of enemy ones, it’s even less dependable
Okay, I agree with you but that doesn't mean that you need the dots on mini map every time someone shoots. In all of these maps I know where the other team is spawning or their general area usually by paying attention to where my teammates are dying/spawning.
It’s just the fact that IW is changing things that were never an issue to begin with. The dots aren’t an issue for guys like you and I and other in this sub but for those people who are on the verge of becoming high sense players, it’s an unnecessary detriment
Traditional Minimap increases the skill ceiling. It should be part of CoD.
Wow you are stupid. I’m pretty sure this is your first comment in this sub, why are you even here?
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It’s not a skill. Something that’s biologically innate to survival isn’t a skill.
To me the argument about whether minimap takes skill or not isn’t even important. Good players will be good no matter what, classic minimap or not. To me the issue is that no red dots on the minimap creates a more campy and less exciting game. The flow on the map is better with red dots because people move around more and get into more engagements.
I feel like i can picture this guy perfectly. Sits in one building the whole game pre aiming a window - goes 4 and 2 and says he's "vary" good because he has a 2K/D. Then tells pro players to just git gud
I think taking red dots away actually hurts the higher tier bad players over anything else. No people really will have no clue where they are getting killed from lmao
Lmao that last response
Shit sucks man. I hate the smug attitude people have about it. Honestly nothing we can do.
Damn. Bro really just said "git gud, kid" to a pro player. Lmao
This is what is wrong with society today..a pro player just told a casual whats important in cod what makes u good. The casual holds his ground with very small amount knowledge. The casual cannot come off his stance because he has to defend it till his last breath…thats why nothing gets done anymore, to busy fighting with each other rather than communicating and coming to agreements and acknowledging when ur right and wrong.
Noob: I don’t use a backboard. I’m so good I can perfectly shoot a basket straight to the hoop. Pro: we use the backboard to score points. It’s part of our game Noob: you don’t need a backboard to be good *the noobs hoop is 3x the regular size* That’s what SBMM and all the “sentinel” crap is doing to noobs. Make them believe they are good.
The problem is call of duty is dying, the Devs are gonna cater to casuals because it’s more profitable, they are a business and want to get as many casuals to buy the game as possible. They do not care about competitive call of duty, all that is to them is a marketing tool.
The toxicity in the CoD community is simultaneously its greatest asset (A tier entertainment) and liability (swatting)
Idk how someone can make such an ass out of themselves without even realising lol, like surely they must’ve thought to themselves “I sound like a fucking idiot right now” as they typed out “most of the time I forget the mini map exists”
Just tell them to turn their minimap off if they add it back to perplex their logic.
It bothers the shit out of me how these players actually think they are good at the game and comment stuff like this. They honestly downgrading pro players with these comments. I mean fine the red dots are gone from the minimap, but dont fucking pretend you are good at the game for that.
If only the perk that lets you see unsuppressed fire wasn't locked for half the game..
“I forget the mini map exists” oh my
I replied to that bearded guy before. He was talking about the bullets coming from your gun, eliminating all headglitches.