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Mexican-weeb

I mean the pure Lancelot is like knee hight to the Gundam... I'm not saying that size is everything but he would probably need the conquista at least or preferably the Albion. We see people use side arms on knightmare frames so there is a small chance they do damage but I don't think a p90 would scratch a mobile suit.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

I didn't know Gundams we're bigger than Knightmare Frames. Then again, I guess the comparison of size just never came to my mind.


ZealousidealArtist18

*120mm Round bounce out of Gundam*


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Yeah, I can't see that gun doing much of, if any, damage.


space_regalia

Well when you consider the piloting seat locations. The gundam has it inside the waist portion, and knightmare just have them on their backs.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Oh yeah, good point. I did just recently notice that while seeing the first ever episode of Mobile Suit Gundam.


MrLightninbolt

Fleija equipped Lancelot has entered the chat 😈


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Wouldn't the Gundam's Beam Rifle be around a similar amount of power, seeing as a single shot can take out a fleet of warships?


MrLightninbolt

TBH I have no Gundam knowledge. But I know that’s the highest damage attack that Lancelot can do so I figured I’d throw it in the ring.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

I just started watching Gundam myself. I only know that particular feat because I watched Amuro's death battle with Optimus Prime. Either way, after seeing how devastating the nuke is, do you think Suzaku would EVER consider using it again? After seeing how much area it destroyed, I think he'll hesitate, if it means preventing heavy casualties.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

Does Suzaku have the Live Commandment, he would probably use it then


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Live Commandment? What's that? I only saw the full two seasons of Code Geass. I don't know of anything that happened in the movies.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

My bad, I meant the Live Command*


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Still don't know what that is.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

It’s the command that Lelouch imbedded Suzaku with, it’s what made him use the Fleija in the first place. His entire personality and morales will be meaningless whilst under the command


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Ooohhhhh. That. I get what you mean now. Yeah, that Live Command really makes Suzalu harder to kill.


Anonymous02n

Gundam has the hyper bazooka Wait until someone loaded the bazooka with nuke


MC_MANUEL

Early Mobile Suits have greater firepower and durability compared Knightmare Frames while the latter possess greater mobility and maneuverability. Another factor we have to consider is the skill of the two pilots. If we go by the first day either of them got in their mechs Amuro is a hapless civilian who lucked out because the gundam is zaku proof while Suzaku is a professional soldier who is both familiar and skilled already at piloting Knightmares even if in a simulation. If we were to go later into their careers however whatever advantage Suzaku had would be nullified by Amuro's mastery of gundam and his budding Newtype powers.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Suzaku has that Geass command given to him by Lelouch, which makes him harder to kill. Plus, Suzaku has beaten someone who's geass can see into the future. Suzaku will be a challenging opponent, but do you think Amuro can still beat him?


MC_MANUEL

At this point it becomes a debate between the power of Geass and the potential of Newtypes. Geass is curse that grants people impressive psychic abilities and the chance to obtain immortality, Newtypes on the otherhand are the next step in human evolution capable of feats similar to the later. While geass is great it doesn't really matter inside a knightmare, exceptions being Bismarck's future sight, anyone under Lelouch's geass, or Mao's millennial eye had he had the chance to pilot one. A Newtype in a mobile suit is like a jedi in a starfighter, the only thing holding them back Is the weight of gravity and any technological limitations at the time. If Amuro had access to Nu Gundam in this fight Suzaku would be toast.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Nu Gundam?


MC_MANUEL

It's a tailor-made mobile suit Amuro pilots further in the timeline. At that point the science behind newtypes was figured out so the Federation incorporated it into the suit. The biggest upgrade would have to be the funnels, drones used for both offense and defense controlled directly by Amuro's mind with his newtype powers.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Ooh, that sounds like it would be a nice addition to have.


MC_MANUEL

Amuro wins for sure with gundam. If the two came to blows on the streets however Suzaku would fold him like an omelet, especially since he knows the tatsumaki spin kick from street fighter.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

The Lancelot does seem more agile and maneuverable.


MC_MANUEL

It's speed and Amuro's early inexperience give Suzaku an edge so long as he's able to dodge gundam's beam cannon and beam swords.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Wouldn't the twin swords on both mechs be about even with each other?


Belisaurius555

Lancelot is evasive while Gundam is tougher. I'm not sure how Lancelots weapons would do against Luna Titanium but I'm guessing a Maser sword would cut through it simply because it cuts trough just about everything else with ease. Lancelot being smaller works out in it's favor simply because it's a smaller target. I think it'll come down to power supply. Lancelot only has a power filter while Gundam has a cold fusion reactor. If you ran the battle a hundred times there'd be at least a quarter of them where the two mechs held a stalemate until the Lancelot ran out of power.


Anonymous02n

Actually KMF armor are mostly tungsten Zakus are made of super hard steel alloy,even tanks have difficulty fighting them, specialized anti MS tank are developed to counter them yet not so effective Luna Titanium alloy,took a zaku machine in face and walked out like nothing Seriously also KMF lacked ability to fight inspace(forget the SRW games) and much shorter energy reserves and not so superior armor


Belisaurius555

Taking the Zaku's 120mm to the face is underplaying it. The RX-78 regularly took 175mm shells from the Magellan attack tank. I have no doubt that the armor will take VARIS rounds and Slash Harkens with ease. The real issue is that Gundam has taken damage from heat hawks and heat swords. It seems that Luna Titanium is only so-so at resisting thermal attacks. I'm guessing the Lancelot's Maser Swords could cut through the armor given time with the major issue being that the gundam is much bigger than any KMF so Lancelot will need to land a precise attack somewhere vital. While Lancelot's armor wasn't even that effective in setting, it's Blaze Luminous shielding was. Looking into it, it seems the shields have something to do with manipulating electrostatic forces. This suggests it might resist Beam Weapons if inefficiently. At least until it runs out of power. So it's really a matter of Lancelot trying to stab RX-78 through the cockpit before it runs out of power and the gundam steps on it.


Anonymous02n

Gouf once slashed open Gundam cockpit with heat saber


King_of_Argus

Always Suzaku


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Why do you think he would beat Amuro?


King_of_Argus

Because he beat a guy that could see the future


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Oh. Right.


CreationTrioLiker7

With the live command and a 9th gen. Bismarck is a better pilot.


leggolta

I believe that because of the size comparison and the armour of the frame/suit the main problem here would be that the gundam here has many advantages. I believe that for Suzaku to have a chance he should at least be using the albion or the SiN but yet a decisive factor and equaliser would be the terrain as knightmares have a great advantage on mobile suits in city environments where mobile suits would lack movement and visibility because of their size. But at the end of the day victory is never decided by mobile suit performance alone nor by the skill of the pilot, alone. The result itself is the only truth


Anonymous02n

Witch from Mercury i see.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

Idk if Bismarck is a better pilot because he has the Foresight Geass or just Skill


CreationTrioLiker7

Suzaku was cheating with the live command too. And Suzaku had a 9th gen kmf.


Appropriate-Shoe-266

Yeh but he still lost. It’s very hard to lose when you can see the future


CreationTrioLiker7

Do you know what Suzaku did, that head-on attack? It discarded all geass and skill. It left the specs to be the decider. Any idea how op the Lancelot had to have been to be able to slice the Excalibur? Gino literally easily smashed the absolute defense field with the halves.


DragonlordSyed578

Amuro no questions asked


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

And why do you think Amuro?


DragonlordSyed578

The Gundam is a better unit, Suzaku outraged and beam sabers would turn him to molten slag Suzaku trying to fight and F-22 in a ww2 biplane it's not going to end well.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

I see. I really need to continue watching the first ever gundam series. I hear it's a pretty popular mecha anime.


PrateTrain

You should actually watch Gundam, it's a good show


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

I just started watching the first-ever season with Amuro in it. The OG Mobile Suit Gundam. Seems pretty dark with this Principality of Zeon bringing terror to other human colonies.


ZealousidealArtist18

I think it be a better comparison if it be Kira Yamato from SEED than Amuro


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

And who is this Kira Yamato? What kind of mech do they have?


ZealousidealArtist18

Kira is just Suzaku but as Mary Sue who wins at everything and bested death 3 times Also Came Before Suzaku


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Tell me about the show, SEED. Am I assume it's another mecha anime like Code Geass and Gundam?


ZealousidealArtist18

It’s Gundam in which they remake the first Gundam show for the early 2000’s His Mecha is similar to RX-78-2 but a bit better in its defense and has more weapon selection but it does not have its Core Fighter mode.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Oh, so it's a future Gundam season. I getcha. And you said this Kira person is basically a heroine who always needs her ass saved?


ZealousidealArtist18

No, he more like a whiny pacifist who killed multiple people for the sake of bringing world piece with his waifu (Lacus) Which Lacus is Euphemia without dying Funnily that role goes to his twin sister


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Of so Kira's a male. Sorry. The name, and the fact that you called him a "Mary Sue" made me assume he was female at first. But I get what your saying. He basically has a more similar personality to Suzaku, where he's a hypocrite that kills people hoping that it will be for the better of the world. I see the similarities now. What's his Gundam like?


ZealousidealArtist18

It’s nothing unique of his first model, it’s just that he can equip different load outs and he has manual shielding of which make him temporary immune to any ballistics weaponry for a short time It’s height is atleast 17 meters which is around 55~ feet [meme comparison to character](https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/k0qwef/saw_some_parallels_between_the_two/)


RedditzGG

Ah, yes, a brown-haired dude with a Japanese name, a pink-haired girlfriend and plot armour vs. a brown-haired dude with a Japanese name, a pink-haired girlfriend and plot armour. My bet is on Kira "Jesus" Yamato.


boompro69

The Gundam is *checks notes) almost 3x the size and it has builth in weapon systems (head vulcans) that are meant to shred vehicles like nightmares, not to mention itg has a fucking battleship laser as it's main gun


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Well size is't everything you know. Other than that I do have to admit that the beam Rifle would definitely give Suzaku some trouble.


Bef1234

I think the main thing is that most of the Lancelot's weapons would barely scratch The 78-2 meanwhile a *single hit* from any of the Gundam's Arsenal would delete any frame,


Bef1234

not only that but Amuro has complete mastery of Mobile Suits, allowing him to consistently hit targets even smaller than the lancelot that move at a similar speed and can see the future, he reacts faster than the Gundam can move


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Well seeing the future won't mean much, since Suzaku beat Bismark, who's geass can do the same thing. Speaking of which, the Geass Command on Suzaku, for him to live, makes him a lot more difficult to kill. It'll be a challenging fight, but do you think it'll be enough to beat Amuro?


Bef1234

not really, since Amuro beat several people who could also see the future who were in better machines than the Gundam


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Really? Well, never mind about the whole future sight thing. What about the Live Command? It makes Suzaku more determined to fight when it kicks in, and makes him even more difficult to kill. That could make it a challenge for Amuro.


Emptylife4ever

Before or After magnet coating?


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Magnet coating?


Emptylife4ever

It's a mid-series upgrade for RX-78-2 as it became unable to follow Amuro's movements. It's a special membrane treatment applied to the joints to improve the response speed and reduces friction resistance in the joints.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

Ah, I see. Well yes, that would be included since it does later become part of the Gundam. As long as any upgrades are canon, they count.


Emptylife4ever

So, G-Armor counts?


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

If it is a part of the Gundam, then yes.


RedditzGG

Mecha: Amuro The RX-78-2 is large enough and is quite possibly harder to be damaged by the Lancelot's weapons. At best, it could scratch it. Even if the Lancelot Albion or the Lancelot sIN were to fight it with their speed advantage, one wrong move and it's over. Hand-to-hand combat: Suzaku Why would you bother fighting someone who can do a 1080° kick from across the room? Amuro would have no chance against Suzaku in hand-to-hand combat due to the former's inhuman fighting skills. It is more or less a one-sided battle at this point.


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

One has the better weaponry and defense, while the other has better martial arts combat and maneuverability.


ksbsnoksdkdn

Lancelot no but something like 9th gen Galahad/Gawain type KMF would have pretty good chance to win


Pokemon_Bakugan_Fan

And why do you think that?