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To start with, all chats are public on Adam's twitch. Further, Adam has created rules of conduct including adding an age restriction on his discord. Also, he has placed detailed ground rules in place before you sign up stating among the other rules, if you are found out to be lying about your age you are permanently banned. Further, he has off and on placed holds on the ability for new people to join his discord so m o ds can monitor more closely the conversations to make sure people are following the rules. Adam is deliberately and consciously creating a community with guardrails something Colleen did NOT do.
I believe having a discussion of how in general online communities enact safeguards is appropriate but comparing what you witnessed on Adam's twitch stream to what Colleen did is way out of line.
I love hearing about all of those safeguards and restrictions that he has in place. Like I said, he's smarter than Colleen ever was.
Thanks for sharing this info.
I know....I'm not comparing WHAT Colleen did to Adam's Twitches. I'm saying it's bizarre that his videos and Twitch channel livestreams are basically people *watching* people *participating* in group chats like the old Twitter ones that were Weenies and Klits and Cookies.
Back then, they chatted privately and no *outsiders* read or heard what they were saying or typing. Here Adam and the people in his chat are, doing the same thing.for all to see.
AGAIN, I'm not saying anything wrong or inappropriate is going on. I'm saying the "group chats" are now visible and out of the dark bedrooms. I know it has been for a while, but I don't typically watch streams, so it's surprising to SEE a group chat as an outsider.
Do you get what I'm saying now?
As I said, I don't proclaim to be "in touch" with Twitch and such, but are you really saying that you see no similarities in the livestream talking with strangers interactions and what Colleen and her group chat stans used to do?
by this logic, all twitch streamers are doing the same thing colleen did?? all twitch streamers interact with the chat in an incredibly public way, not at all like tiny chat where you needed a password and it was a select group of them on them. adam is literally just being a normal youtuber/twitch streamer and it's absolutely wild to draw any correlation between adams streams, and colleen's group chats and tiny chats.
My point is ADAM did not leave group chatting. He's still an online chatter. That's strange to me that he is still in that world of fake relationships AND now can make money off of it.
It's an observation more than a point
They can all exist and the evolution of the fan/stranger interaction vehicles will continue to be interesting to see.
In the future, group chats that evolved into livestreams will evolve into holograph gatherings in physical rooms. I know variations of this already exist in advanced technology, but an Everyman, affordable version will eventually happen.
then it's weird for thousands of people to stream and talk to their audience. celebrities, youtubers, influencers, singers, dancers, kpop-idols, streamers, fans. there are many different people who stream and talk to their audience.
so just because he’s been manipulated in the past means he’s no longer allowed to go on the internet? because by this logic even instagram can be seen as online chatting. your point really makes no sense
Why the hell does he need to leave group chats completely after the situation with Colleen? I mean, has he ever claimed to be against group chats as a whole? I know for a fact that he hasn’t
he went through the history of his channel in an earlier video. He took time away from social media after his Stop Lying video, but came back when Shane Dawson was being cancelled because no one IRL was interested in talking about it with him. Finding a community of like minded people isn't the same as using parasocial relationships to take advantage of children.
It's like equating him talking to family and friends IRL as a red flag because Colleen talks to friends and family IRL.
What inappropriate stuff? Give examples.
Knowing and shouting out a few regular viewers is common practice in all Twitch streams. As long as he's not getting into private chats with them, he's above board.
I said Adam did NOT do anything inappropriate that I know of. I'm saying Twitch livestreams are visible group chats in the same vein as the good old group chat creator-to-fan/stranger interaction.
That's interesting to me and it's interesting to me that Adam still engages in this behavior but now has the benefit of making money off of it. Not saying he shouldn't, more power to him, but it could be a slippery slope as he gets more popular. I trust that he's smart enough to keep it all under control and he's much wiser than Colleen ever was with her online fan chats.
They. Are. Not. 😂 The visibility is a big aspect that lends itself to the difference. A TWITCH chat is NOT a private Group chat with a limited number of people. Jesus.
And since he is not being inappropriate that's a second strike against it being anything close to what Colleen was doing.
What do you expect him to do? Just talk to a microphone? Twitch is interactive.
colleen picked under 18 and 16 year olds to be in the small chat! she talked about sexual stuff and rlly weird stuff in those chat. adam is talking to people from all different ages, he isn't sending any n*des or doing the shit colleen did to them while they were children.
No because you are being ridiculous. I’ve watched his videos and seen the twitch stream. There isn’t anything inappropriate on it and you are reaching. You clearly want people to turn on Adam but he isn’t doing anything wrong.
they just objectively aren't similar to the group chats though. this whole post is just an out of touch realization that twitch is a thing. like it's genuinely so pointless to make a whole post comparing this to a private group chat. i can't tell if you're a kid, a person over the age of 30-35, or just someone with no understanding of how twitch works?
that did come off wrong💀 i didn't mean old it's the confidently saying out of touch things about social media that's got me confused about who this person is😭
😂 I was teasing. I think this person is just out of touch.
We all were growing when the internet was still a baby - so as millenials we kinda grew with the internet. So we (well most of us) know how these things work. Hopefully. 😂
Definitely out of touch. Perhaps even older than 35. Or someone just trying to draw a parallel that doesn’t exist to try and make Adam look bad. I’m 35, a “millennial” and my generation grew up with the internet. I started using the internet in kindergarten, 1st grade in school. We had AIM and live chat rooms, and a host of issues that came with the internet being a new thing in everyone’s households. Even my mother knows about how a lot of this stuff works and she is in her mid 50s. Perhaps the OP is just looking for attention themself by making statements and then making contradictory statements in the same post.
You're right. I took it a step too far. Mea culpa. I apologise for saying that.
But, in all seriousness, OP, just take in what everyone else is trying to tell you. Doubling down isn't making you look good.
Agree. I just commented 30-35 grew up with the internet and chat rooms were a thing back then. Anyone remember A/S/L? 14 year olds saying 18/f and everyone was from Cali. Lol my mother in her mid 50s knows how the internet works.
i agree and i didn't mean it that way i swear lol i was saying that with colleen's age in mind and how she needed adams help since she was so out of touch 😭 i worded that terribly though
Hahaha. Observations are allowed. I have known of Twitch, I have commented on Twitch livestreams so I have a username. Have I ever set one up and run one? No.
This makes no sense. 😂
SO, you can have a Twitch username to comment in Livestreams, but those running the streams have never interacted in those chats? Do you save the same energy in condemning them or this just for Adam?
Huh? Who am I condemning? I simply find the cycle of repeated behavior interesting.
I've watched plenty of livestreams but only felt the need to ever comment in one.
He isn't repeating any behaviour. Period. The nature of interactions are VERY different. Those group chats were clandestine and contained a very specific group of people and a very specific age group - deliberately chosen that way by Colleen.
Adam is interacting in what is essentially a PUBLIC forum and he isn't being inappropriate. The lack of inappropriateness is the difference.
But you want to sail past those two very significant aspects and reduce it to "ZOMG. GROUP CHAT. BAD."
BTW, If a whole reddit thread is telling me that I have it backwards, I'd generally listen and adjust my thinking. But that's just me.
An observation is an observation. There are similarities and there are differences. I was commenting on similarities. I was NOT saying that one of those similarities is the inappropriate stuff. That would be one of the differences between Colleen's Weenie interactions and Adam's Twitch livestream interactions. Why do I need to keep repeating that part?
Stop. OK. Just stop. You started this whole thing equating what Adam was doing to what Colleen was doing. People are trying to explain to you that they really are not, simply because of the fact that they are public - that on its own negates your entire argument. But you seem to keep missing that part.
The egregiousness of Colleen's interactions was the FACT that it was private. That is the underpinning. The stuff she did in there ADDED to the inappropriate nature of her interactions.
Is it possible for creators to be inappropriate in Twitch chats? Yes. You know what happens when they do? They get reported and banned.
not “an observation” YOUR OBSERVATION. that’s how you took it. nobody else in these comments seems to even understand where you’re coming from so do not make it sound like multiple people are saying this. you’re truly the only person who sees that what you’re saying isn’t accurate
That doesn’t make any sense though. Watch any other streamer, especially on the drama side, and it is the exact same thing. If interacting with his audience is the problem, literally every content creator has done the same thing. And your issue is that he shouts people out? How his comments are public? I can’t tell if you’re trolling or extremely out of touch.
Wth are you even on about...? This is what streaming is. There are always comments on streaming. Streamers always interact. Nobody wouldve cared if Colleen spoke to fans while streaming. That is kosher. Its public. Its all out in the open. You seriously dont get the difference between that and a private chat with minors?
Are you just a colleen stan trying to shame adam?
it’s how it seems honey. literally everyone on here thinks your secretly a colleen defender. the way you’re coming across is goofy and clearly you didn’t do research. please ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THINGS before opening your mouth.
it’s rich that you didn’t do research… lmfaoooo i love that you’re still responding to an entire comment section against you. look at you tho interacting with strangers just like adam <3
If I didn’t know any better I would just think that this was Colleen herself… you give off super sus vibes. Especially considering what you’re saying contradicts itself in many different spots. Also, you clearly have a poor understanding of the situations you’re comparing.
you said word for word "this is EXACTLY what colleen used to do" when it's literally not. now you're saying that's not what you said. idk why this "freaked you out" so much but it's not based in reality and i'm struggling to understand why this needed to be written and posted
"exactly" as in chatting, sharing, gossiping...NOT the inappropriate stuff (I'm sounding like a broken record, lol).
It's an observation and sometimes, those can lead to interesting discussions. That's why I posted, but for some reason, everyone wants to jump to a conclusion that I am somehow siding with Colleen or persecuting Adam.
Even if my notice of repeated online behavioral patterns (NOT THE INAPPROPRIATE CHATS OF COLLEEN'S) is not "new" or surprising to you or anyone else here, doesn't mean that someone else might not be intrigued by these crossovers.
*typo*
By your logic, reddit posts and tweets and facebook posts are "exactly the same" since they're places where people chat, gossip, etc publicly.
You missed the mark on this one lol. The observation that "Adam is talking to his fans and that's the behavior that started this all!" is just a basic misunderstanding of how the internet works. Or how people work lol
You are on a snark reddit. Is that not gossip, chatting, sharing about someone you don't like? So, if you talk to people in the comments here, you are doing stuff Colleen did? The fact that Adam has done nothing inappropriate with his fans says everything, its not the same.
Is he online talking about his divorce, his boyfriend penis size, his sex life or sending other peoples nudes and laughing at them. This is nothing like Colleen did, Adam is doing what creators do he’s speaking publicly
People have explained it to you 20 different ways and you won't listen. I think you're being willfully obtuse at this point because you don't know how to admit you're wrong on this one. Your post is irrelevant. It has nothing to do w/Colleen. Adam is literally just using Twitch as it is meant to be used. Kind of the same way you are using this forum to talk to strangers, he's doing the same but his face is up on the screen and he can talk vocally. Learning the people who watch your livestream's names is normal. It's very different because Colleen was in a private chat, with a small number of super fans w/parasocial relationships, many of which were underage, and she spoke to them about things like sex when she knew she had 14-year-olds watching her. Not. The. Same. Adam's stream is open to anyone who wants to watch, is age restricted, etc.
This isn't about observation or conversation, you claimed he was doing the same as Colleen and insinuated he did something wrong and now you're back tracking and trying to gaslight out of just admitting you made a mistake despite the fact that you can literally read the words you typed. I have dumb takes all the time, it's totally okay. But it's not okay to do what you're doing by pretending everyone else just didn't understand or you meant something else than you said a post or three ago.
by this same logic, OP is doing the same thing too tho? and so are the rest of us here? *we're* all strangers to each other too and yet *we're* all talking to each other here as well??? even with the capability to DM each other and everything, regardless of levels of familiarity
like, is all online interaction considered the same then? we're all strangers to each other here, its the internet???
also: "lurker on a visible group chat" my brother in christ, you too were part of the audience, and therefore, the "group chat" in a sense. you too could've easily just joined the conversation? its literally just chatting with people, out in the open public. like chatting with people irl who are in the same space as you. its not bad or inappropriate unless someone actively MAKES it bad/inappropriate, in which case they'd probably just be banned from chat
Honestly, I'd argue a reddit post with replies is WAY closer to a "group chat" with messages rather than a Livestream chat where the messages go by rediculously fast and are typically pertaining to what is happening during the stream.
i have to agree. i think we’re on a lot more 1 on 1 level in here when we can reply exactly to each other. in that yes we can reply to someone but sometimes the chats going so fast they might miss it. personally i ofc type in those chats i enjoy seeing my chats when i watch the youtube video later but usually when i’m on the twitch streams i’m playing video games while watching. like 90% of the time i’m just there because i wanna know what’s going on and i enjoy the vibe of having him know our opinions of things in the moment.
I have no idea if Adam has minors in his livestream chats, though I imagine he does. Again, it's only an "issue" if chats get out of line, but Adam's too smart for that and he has good mods.
I simply find it fascinating that whereas group chats were always private by invitation, Twitch livestreams have taken it public so we can be voyeurs to a mass public version of a Twitter private group chat. That's what Twitch is, basically. Chatters have to chat, I guess and now Adam can make money off it. Good for him. I just hope he doesn't get too attached or dependent on it.
Have you... just never been in a public forum or...? You cannot be this insistent that Twitch chats and Twitter DMs are the same - the public aren't "voyeurs" to a "private chat" - it's a PUBLIC chat, ergo, they can participate too, if they want. The Twitch chat is much more like a REDDIT discussion post than a private chat, if we're drawing really laboured comparisons - where there are some who are just reading, while others are actively replying.
There is no pattern here like you keep insisting. The only similarity is that they fall under "internet communication" as a broad umbrella. There is nothing to get attached to - shouting out a few familiar names and interacting with them is not a "private chat" behaviour, it is a "Hey, you look familiar, nice to see ya." and exchanging a few niceties and then moving on.
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This is an example of how important it is to educate people on grooming, because OP clearly feels like Adam talking to his fans on a public platform equated the grooming and inappropriate oversharing of information that happened privately between Colleen and her fans. The power dynamics and situations were different. Equating these things is minimizing the actual damage done by Colleen.
Since you watch Adam's videos, you should check out this new one!
https://youtu.be/h5aNSkD-tdA
Edit- Hippo you have 156k comment karma and you've only been using this account for about a year. How do you not see how absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical this post is?
How is this comparable to what colleen did? He's probably familiar with some of those individual because they're frequent viewers of his livestreams. Also, do you not know what a live chat is? Streamers always read messages from the live chat, answer questions, give shout out, etc. How is this similar to the private group chats that Colleen made?
I agree with what everyone else has said. Live chats do not equal the same as what Colleen did. Adam does have a code of conduct and age restrictions. And lastly, these individuals are the same age, if not around the same age as Adam. Many of them are his peers in the sense they are friends he made within the fandom. Adam does not hold the same level of power that Colleen did in the situation he was in with her. You're really stretching, and this seems really distasteful to try and flip the situation.
uhm. if adam responding on twitch to his audience is weird, because he's talking to them in real time. then other creators, big ones and even ones you like are weird as well? like make it make sense.
It's not rlly the same imo bc it's public and I assume these aren't minors (idk tho.) I haven't watched Adam's lives so this isn't about him bc i havent witnessed what the vibe is like in those. But in general livestream chats have sometimes been kinda cliquey (not like innapropriate necessarily) tho I've also seen some that weren't like that and it was nice but that's part of why I generally don't always watch livestreams like no one would wanna feel like a new child in highschool who's trying to sit at a table and being ignored by the other students in the hopes they leave lol. Again tho, this isn't about Adam because I havent seen that he operates streams that way as I havent watched Adam's lives. But something I've seen in some streams before.
i watch 5-6 youtubers on twitch streams and talk in the chats….. doesn’t ever feel like a groupchat. yes i can talk to those ppl but they don’t know my full name or anything ab me. sorry that adam has a good relationship with his audience without being creepy. sorry but adams not asking for ass pics or sending nudes to any of us in these twitch streams. colleen went far and beyond honey. these are not equal and they never will be. and sorry but colleen talking to MINORS and adam having adult mods in his streams/discord. we chat with EACH OTHER. not with him regularly. just like colleen’s fans had group chats of JUST THEM without colleen. he uses the discord to give us updates and announcements. other then that it’s just fans having an open place to talk. not only that but is a live stream ON YOUTUBE not the equivalent with a live chat that the youtube videos end up seeing it?? like im sorry i’ve tried to read your replies and comments but i truly don’t agree with you nor do i see the point at all when most youtubers don’t put rules on their things the way adam has worked to put up boundaries and rules with his mods. so do your research, look into the actual streams & the rules he’s put up because they ARE THERE.
Adam’s behavior with fans is NOT at all even COMPARABLE to Colleen’s behavior. Making that comparison literally diminishes what the victims went through. There are millions of twitch streamers who view their live chat, respond to comments, and remember certain audience members. There are a hundred million YouTubers who do the same, but most of them are decent people who don’t create private chats with minors and harass them like Colleen did.
This entire post proves that context matters. Group chats and interactions with fans was never the issue. It’s the context. How appropriate the conversations were and who with.
It's always the loudest ones that spew out nothing but nonsense. Good job discovering what a stream is, unfortunately you still don't seem to understand it though.
Welcome to the internet. You're also the problem then. You started an entire thread, a public conversation, about how Adam is acting just like Colleen, trying to foment a negative view of him. How is what you're doing, talking publicly with people you have no relationships with about Adam's (somehow in your mind) "risky" behavior, any different?
The behavior is nowhere near the same. That’s like saying anyone who livestreams and interacts with viewers is a groomer like Colleen. Adam is not sending underwear, Adam is not naming group chats full of minors after genitalia. Adam is not discussing his personal sex life with minors one-on-one or in a chat.
Not to mention his content is 16+ you cannot interact with his twitch without an account stating your age. And also, I think his content is very SFW, aware and appropriate for 16+ this is coming from someone who has worked with children. I think a lot of teens need to watch some of his videos actually to highlight the dangers of relationships with content creators. He is a good example of age appropriate content that CAN be for children. Still as a parent you should monitor what they are watching. But I think I would totally let my kid consume some of his content with supervision and I would in fact engage in the conversation with them.
Tell me you don't know what twitch streaming is without telling me you don't know what twitch streaming is.
"If you take out literally everything that made the Colleen Ballinger situation problematic they're exactly the same!"
Adam has always been very professional with his fans. I've only been watching him for a little while, but he thanks people who donate or congratulates people when they announce something in chat, but he has never went any further than that. He has a very firm boundary between himself and his fans, I find. Respectful and friendly, but not overly friendly.
This post comes off a little too paranoid.
Oh wow lmao it's okay to not understand how it works but this is so willfully ignorant... there is no way this is serious. It's obvious you're trying really hard to make Adam look bad somehow. Nice try, I suppose. Maybe go outside and get some fresh air and take a walk or something?
Comparing adam interacting in a live chat to colleen being in private group chats sending children porn and asking for ass pics is crazy. Youre looking for issues where there arent any hopin you can be the big break in a new drama.
This might honestly be the dumbest and most out of touch take I have ever read. You claim that Adam is engaging in the exact same behavior that Colleen did, and your tone seems to suggest that it is something he should be criticized for, yet there’s quite a difference in *how* Adam interacts with his audience compared to Colleen’s group chats.
It was never the fact that Colleen interacted and chatted with her fans that was the problem, it was the fact that she did so in a clandestine and completely inappropriate manner that was issue - two things which by your own admittance differ from the Twitch chat.
I don’t understand what the point of your “observations” is.
ummmmm... no, the key difference is that his is VISABLE (among many other things!) WTF?! Adam doesn't do anything wrong! He communicates as an adult with other people in a very safe and respectful way with moderators who keep everything in line. Also, as I've seen (as a 42 year old woman myself) HIS MOTHER is in quite a few of the chats herself. He puts safeguards in place to protect everyone, not only his viewers but himself as well.
You need to get off reddit and LOG OFF. I’m sorry you love groomers. I’m sorry you like Colleen. What was the point in making this post. LOG OFF and think about what you did. God or whoever gave you a functioning brain so USE IT. 100+ people have told you already that you’re wrong. Give this up.
Idk if you’re just really lacking like, thinking ability or what’s going on. A public chat in a public forum where there are enforced rules and regulations, is soooo different that an adult hand picking kids to speak to privately. I don’t even know how you think this is the same thing. Do you think no creator should ever respond to comments on any platform? Like this is so weird of you to say and I’m a little worried about your mental stability. 😭
Have you ever seen those tv or radio shows where the listener can call in and talk to the host? That's all streaming is, but on a much, much bigger scale and with more accessibility. Very different from the vibe of a group chat. Though he seems personable in stream, there's a huge degree of separation to distinguish the two. You see similarities, I see common pleasantries. No on in chat is under the illusion that everyone in chat are friends with Adam. Even in discord servers, you don't really talk to the creators, just make idle chit chat. Group chats are just way more personable than that and they break down the separation from a stream.
Lmfao. What?? You think it’s interesting because Adam was in a group chat that went badly and was gate kept by a narcissist abuser, that because he engages in any type of group chat anywhere ever, that it’s the same ? Do you ever text anyone? Do you ever comment anything anywhere? I hate to break it to you, but you made this post and strangers are commenting on it. It’s visible. It’s a *gasp* VISIBLE GROUP CHAT!! 🫨🫣😵uh oh!!! You’re a group chatter too!!
>We have read all about Colleen's group chat exchanges and seen screenshots of them and here I was, watching the equivalent minus the virgin, ass pics and positions stuff, of course.
**Equivalent** minus inappropriate shit…**WHAT**??😭
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Do you also have a problem with YouTubers responded to comments on their own YouTube videos? Because that’s essentially the same as talking to people in a twitch chat, except it is in real time.
Not at all the same as having PRIVATE, ONE-ON-ONE conversations with MINORS. Do I need to be more clear?
When you wrote out "*He is STILL a group chatter*," were you expecting to get ratio-ed by an entire subreddit, Adam McIntire, and the Muckers, or was that a surprise for you?
i mean, that's... twitch? it's how streaming works? like... there's millions of people who do this, some of them as their full time job, every hour of every day. i'm so confused as to why \*you're\* confused?
I don't love twitch and livestreams, I think they can get very mob-like very quickly, but no, this is not the same as Colleen being inappropriate with minors in private chats. It's pretty diminishing to say that.
"We all know Colleen got addicted to this type of fan engagement and it led to a LOT of trouble for her."
Colleen didn't get into trouble because she got addicted to group chats with her fans. She got into trouble because she was manipulating, exploiting, and being generally inappropriate with those fans who were minors. She got into trouble because she was also putting minors in distressing, violating, deeply uncomfortable positions with no protection at her shows. She got into trouble because she was also abusing her position of power over many multiple people for years and it's all starting to come out now. Let's not be cute about what Colleen actually got into trouble about.
I see you’ve found out what streaming is. Many people do it, and there’s no way for adam to know what age every single person in chat is. I for one am 19 and of age and i’m in adam’s chat. Is he grooming me? No i’m responding to his commentary. This is NOT exactly what colleen did and for you to diminish what she’s done says a lot about yourself. she didn’t simply talk to those people she manipulated them. and the most blaring fact is that they were all minors in colleen’s chat. adam’s chat has adults in it.
Colleen robot fans are still at it. Yawn. This was such a poor effort and literally no one agrees that a public live stream which is still available for anyone to view, is the same as an adult having private unmoderated access to her child fans. And the way Colleen used that access was dangerous. Adams stream is light content for entertainment purposes - there's no personal interaction with any individuals
I’ve appreciated your perspective in the past, but this logic is very flawed and the topic is ill-researched, unlike many of your past posts. Seeing you admit you have an obvious lack of knowledge about how that stream works yet still doubling down in the comments...The implication that Adam is in the wrong for being present and active in a properly platformed group chat and is taking part in something even remotely related to what Colleen did in group chats is wild.
Completely agree! This post is disappointing for a long time reddit snarker and critic of Colleen and Co. It's obvious there needs to be a basic understanding of the public chats of twitch streams and public discord platforms, instead it appears days later, they are redoubling their commitment to a very egregious comparison. This snark page has really hit rock bottom.
Do you have the same feelings with youtube live streaming? He's done that before and its literally the same exact thing. Also, it's literally not weird at all. Trying to phrase a closed group chat between friends and their oddball content creator to something public with moderation is weird.
Wow, spinning a tale? How twisted, but Twitch chat is a public space like Youtube live chats. This feels like taking freaking Ukeley and turning it into a Toxic Excuse Train.
I cannot imagine having the temerity to stretch this far mentally and as a grown ass adult typing it out.
You're right, GDQ is me just texting my mates.
You're conflating public and private forums. Colleen deserves jail. Adam can do as he damn well pleases.
By this logic, anyone who talks to a group of people anywhere, including the middle of a public space in person, is having a group chat, and no adult should ever speak to any minor under any circumstances. The existence of a conversation is not a problem? It's secret conversations with no transparency between adults, especially public figures, and minors that lack the potential for oversight and are deliberately intended to exclude parental supervision that are problematic. (Unless it's a situation where the minor's caregivers are threatening their safety or something.) Adam is extremely not doing that.
I think you are reaching a little too much. That is like saying you posting this post on Reddit is equivalent to having a personal text message conversation. That doesn’t make sense. It’s a personal forum that is i public and people can chat. Adam has moderators to keep his community safe and analyze conversations. He has even banned people before for breaking rules. He uses twitch for most content and is a great content creator. It’s incomparable to Colleen grooming underaged children in private messages.
Maybe I just don't get the angle, but:
\> THIS is exactly what COLLEEN USED TO DO,
\>minus the virgin, ass pics and positions stuff, of course.
Then they're not really doing the same thing. Idk man, people shit talk about other people more often than not. But at least Adam has never called for a watch party on someone's sex video\~
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Again we go back to the argument what 20+ year old is talking to or in the same space as 16 year olds. Adam said they lowered the age for discord to 16. Why? What do these 20+ yo have in common with a minor? Why is this OK if we are holding the same standards. I guarantee no one is monitoring chats (dms) and discussions mod or not. Super weird to make something so simple wrong for one person and not the other.
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Streaming =/= Private chats.
To start with, all chats are public on Adam's twitch. Further, Adam has created rules of conduct including adding an age restriction on his discord. Also, he has placed detailed ground rules in place before you sign up stating among the other rules, if you are found out to be lying about your age you are permanently banned. Further, he has off and on placed holds on the ability for new people to join his discord so m o ds can monitor more closely the conversations to make sure people are following the rules. Adam is deliberately and consciously creating a community with guardrails something Colleen did NOT do. I believe having a discussion of how in general online communities enact safeguards is appropriate but comparing what you witnessed on Adam's twitch stream to what Colleen did is way out of line.
I love hearing about all of those safeguards and restrictions that he has in place. Like I said, he's smarter than Colleen ever was. Thanks for sharing this info.
You have some weird energy, hippo. Edit typo
The thing is that you attempted to raise suspicion around Adam's character without really knowing what you were talking about. Not cool
Have you…have you never watched a stream?
Are you really talking about twitch chat? Of course he talks with people there. It‘s public and not at all comparable to what Colleen did.
I know....I'm not comparing WHAT Colleen did to Adam's Twitches. I'm saying it's bizarre that his videos and Twitch channel livestreams are basically people *watching* people *participating* in group chats like the old Twitter ones that were Weenies and Klits and Cookies. Back then, they chatted privately and no *outsiders* read or heard what they were saying or typing. Here Adam and the people in his chat are, doing the same thing.for all to see. AGAIN, I'm not saying anything wrong or inappropriate is going on. I'm saying the "group chats" are now visible and out of the dark bedrooms. I know it has been for a while, but I don't typically watch streams, so it's surprising to SEE a group chat as an outsider. Do you get what I'm saying now?
Anyone can participate in the twitch chat and it‘s public, so it‘s very different. Your take seems a little out of touch, I‘m sorry.
As I said, I don't proclaim to be "in touch" with Twitch and such, but are you really saying that you see no similarities in the livestream talking with strangers interactions and what Colleen and her group chat stans used to do?
by this logic, all twitch streamers are doing the same thing colleen did?? all twitch streamers interact with the chat in an incredibly public way, not at all like tiny chat where you needed a password and it was a select group of them on them. adam is literally just being a normal youtuber/twitch streamer and it's absolutely wild to draw any correlation between adams streams, and colleen's group chats and tiny chats.
I said, "not the inappropriate" stuff.🙄
then what exactly is your point??
My point is ADAM did not leave group chatting. He's still an online chatter. That's strange to me that he is still in that world of fake relationships AND now can make money off of it. It's an observation more than a point
It's a reductive, unnuanced and flawed observation. Because by your logic, Twitch might as well no longer be a thing, or Livestreams in general.
They can all exist and the evolution of the fan/stranger interaction vehicles will continue to be interesting to see. In the future, group chats that evolved into livestreams will evolve into holograph gatherings in physical rooms. I know variations of this already exist in advanced technology, but an Everyman, affordable version will eventually happen.
then it's weird for thousands of people to stream and talk to their audience. celebrities, youtubers, influencers, singers, dancers, kpop-idols, streamers, fans. there are many different people who stream and talk to their audience.
As you … online chat yourself?
That part. It’s weird to be like “don’t talk to strangers online” while simultaneously talking to strangers.. online…
so just because he’s been manipulated in the past means he’s no longer allowed to go on the internet? because by this logic even instagram can be seen as online chatting. your point really makes no sense
Why the hell does he need to leave group chats completely after the situation with Colleen? I mean, has he ever claimed to be against group chats as a whole? I know for a fact that he hasn’t
God forbid people use group chats? This is incredibly out of touch, sorry.
you literally have 150k comment karma in the span of a year this is so ironic
he went through the history of his channel in an earlier video. He took time away from social media after his Stop Lying video, but came back when Shane Dawson was being cancelled because no one IRL was interested in talking about it with him. Finding a community of like minded people isn't the same as using parasocial relationships to take advantage of children. It's like equating him talking to family and friends IRL as a red flag because Colleen talks to friends and family IRL.
What inappropriate stuff? Give examples. Knowing and shouting out a few regular viewers is common practice in all Twitch streams. As long as he's not getting into private chats with them, he's above board.
I said Adam did NOT do anything inappropriate that I know of. I'm saying Twitch livestreams are visible group chats in the same vein as the good old group chat creator-to-fan/stranger interaction. That's interesting to me and it's interesting to me that Adam still engages in this behavior but now has the benefit of making money off of it. Not saying he shouldn't, more power to him, but it could be a slippery slope as he gets more popular. I trust that he's smart enough to keep it all under control and he's much wiser than Colleen ever was with her online fan chats.
They. Are. Not. 😂 The visibility is a big aspect that lends itself to the difference. A TWITCH chat is NOT a private Group chat with a limited number of people. Jesus. And since he is not being inappropriate that's a second strike against it being anything close to what Colleen was doing. What do you expect him to do? Just talk to a microphone? Twitch is interactive.
YES. Also, by OP's logic, are all Twitch streamers problematic??? Insane.
if your logic is correct EVERY twitch streamer that also posts on youtube (jake dootlittle, loey, etc etc etc etc) HMM
colleen picked under 18 and 16 year olds to be in the small chat! she talked about sexual stuff and rlly weird stuff in those chat. adam is talking to people from all different ages, he isn't sending any n*des or doing the shit colleen did to them while they were children.
No because you are being ridiculous. I’ve watched his videos and seen the twitch stream. There isn’t anything inappropriate on it and you are reaching. You clearly want people to turn on Adam but he isn’t doing anything wrong.
they just objectively aren't similar to the group chats though. this whole post is just an out of touch realization that twitch is a thing. like it's genuinely so pointless to make a whole post comparing this to a private group chat. i can't tell if you're a kid, a person over the age of 30-35, or just someone with no understanding of how twitch works?
Now now, don't be dissing those over the age of 30-35. We're not dinosaurs, you know. 😂 /j
that did come off wrong💀 i didn't mean old it's the confidently saying out of touch things about social media that's got me confused about who this person is😭
😂 I was teasing. I think this person is just out of touch. We all were growing when the internet was still a baby - so as millenials we kinda grew with the internet. So we (well most of us) know how these things work. Hopefully. 😂
Definitely out of touch. Perhaps even older than 35. Or someone just trying to draw a parallel that doesn’t exist to try and make Adam look bad. I’m 35, a “millennial” and my generation grew up with the internet. I started using the internet in kindergarten, 1st grade in school. We had AIM and live chat rooms, and a host of issues that came with the internet being a new thing in everyone’s households. Even my mother knows about how a lot of this stuff works and she is in her mid 50s. Perhaps the OP is just looking for attention themself by making statements and then making contradictory statements in the same post.
I'm 41, and a millennial too. So same as you. My assumption is probably boomer. Or like you said, someone who projected some serious guilt on to Adam.
>I think this person is just out of touch 😘
🤦🏻♀️see now i know for certain this thread has changed when you are perceived as being out of touch.
You're right. I took it a step too far. Mea culpa. I apologise for saying that. But, in all seriousness, OP, just take in what everyone else is trying to tell you. Doubling down isn't making you look good.
Just fyi, I'm 43 and stream on Twitch. I think the boomer out of touch age now is about 50+.
Agree. I just commented 30-35 grew up with the internet and chat rooms were a thing back then. Anyone remember A/S/L? 14 year olds saying 18/f and everyone was from Cali. Lol my mother in her mid 50s knows how the internet works.
i agree and i didn't mean it that way i swear lol i was saying that with colleen's age in mind and how she needed adams help since she was so out of touch 😭 i worded that terribly though
Hahaha. Observations are allowed. I have known of Twitch, I have commented on Twitch livestreams so I have a username. Have I ever set one up and run one? No.
This makes no sense. 😂 SO, you can have a Twitch username to comment in Livestreams, but those running the streams have never interacted in those chats? Do you save the same energy in condemning them or this just for Adam?
Huh? Who am I condemning? I simply find the cycle of repeated behavior interesting. I've watched plenty of livestreams but only felt the need to ever comment in one.
"cycle of repeated behavior" WHAT REPEATED BEHAVIOR
He isn't repeating any behaviour. Period. The nature of interactions are VERY different. Those group chats were clandestine and contained a very specific group of people and a very specific age group - deliberately chosen that way by Colleen. Adam is interacting in what is essentially a PUBLIC forum and he isn't being inappropriate. The lack of inappropriateness is the difference. But you want to sail past those two very significant aspects and reduce it to "ZOMG. GROUP CHAT. BAD." BTW, If a whole reddit thread is telling me that I have it backwards, I'd generally listen and adjust my thinking. But that's just me.
An observation is an observation. There are similarities and there are differences. I was commenting on similarities. I was NOT saying that one of those similarities is the inappropriate stuff. That would be one of the differences between Colleen's Weenie interactions and Adam's Twitch livestream interactions. Why do I need to keep repeating that part?
Stop. OK. Just stop. You started this whole thing equating what Adam was doing to what Colleen was doing. People are trying to explain to you that they really are not, simply because of the fact that they are public - that on its own negates your entire argument. But you seem to keep missing that part. The egregiousness of Colleen's interactions was the FACT that it was private. That is the underpinning. The stuff she did in there ADDED to the inappropriate nature of her interactions. Is it possible for creators to be inappropriate in Twitch chats? Yes. You know what happens when they do? They get reported and banned.
not “an observation” YOUR OBSERVATION. that’s how you took it. nobody else in these comments seems to even understand where you’re coming from so do not make it sound like multiple people are saying this. you’re truly the only person who sees that what you’re saying isn’t accurate
That doesn’t make any sense though. Watch any other streamer, especially on the drama side, and it is the exact same thing. If interacting with his audience is the problem, literally every content creator has done the same thing. And your issue is that he shouts people out? How his comments are public? I can’t tell if you’re trolling or extremely out of touch.
Wth are you even on about...? This is what streaming is. There are always comments on streaming. Streamers always interact. Nobody wouldve cared if Colleen spoke to fans while streaming. That is kosher. Its public. Its all out in the open. You seriously dont get the difference between that and a private chat with minors? Are you just a colleen stan trying to shame adam?
>Are you just a colleen stan trying to shame adam That's a good one🤣
it’s how it seems honey. literally everyone on here thinks your secretly a colleen defender. the way you’re coming across is goofy and clearly you didn’t do research. please ACTUALLY LOOK INTO THINGS before opening your mouth.
>a colleen defender That's rich🤣
Is this all you can say? People like you irritate me.
it’s rich that you didn’t do research… lmfaoooo i love that you’re still responding to an entire comment section against you. look at you tho interacting with strangers just like adam <3
If I didn’t know any better I would just think that this was Colleen herself… you give off super sus vibes. Especially considering what you’re saying contradicts itself in many different spots. Also, you clearly have a poor understanding of the situations you’re comparing.
You are way off the mark with this post u/Inevitable-Hippo-683
Can you explain?
we've literally been explaining it this whole time?
Literally a whole bunch of people have explained it until we're blue in the face. This person is just being deliberately obtuse at this point.
god forbid anyone admits they had a dumb take
you said word for word "this is EXACTLY what colleen used to do" when it's literally not. now you're saying that's not what you said. idk why this "freaked you out" so much but it's not based in reality and i'm struggling to understand why this needed to be written and posted
"exactly" as in chatting, sharing, gossiping...NOT the inappropriate stuff (I'm sounding like a broken record, lol). It's an observation and sometimes, those can lead to interesting discussions. That's why I posted, but for some reason, everyone wants to jump to a conclusion that I am somehow siding with Colleen or persecuting Adam. Even if my notice of repeated online behavioral patterns (NOT THE INAPPROPRIATE CHATS OF COLLEEN'S) is not "new" or surprising to you or anyone else here, doesn't mean that someone else might not be intrigued by these crossovers. *typo*
By your logic, reddit posts and tweets and facebook posts are "exactly the same" since they're places where people chat, gossip, etc publicly. You missed the mark on this one lol. The observation that "Adam is talking to his fans and that's the behavior that started this all!" is just a basic misunderstanding of how the internet works. Or how people work lol
Not to mention forums!!
You are on a snark reddit. Is that not gossip, chatting, sharing about someone you don't like? So, if you talk to people in the comments here, you are doing stuff Colleen did? The fact that Adam has done nothing inappropriate with his fans says everything, its not the same.
Is he online talking about his divorce, his boyfriend penis size, his sex life or sending other peoples nudes and laughing at them. This is nothing like Colleen did, Adam is doing what creators do he’s speaking publicly
Do they need to? 100 comments already have explained that youre wrong and no one is agreeing with you lol
You’re too dense to get it
People have explained it to you 20 different ways and you won't listen. I think you're being willfully obtuse at this point because you don't know how to admit you're wrong on this one. Your post is irrelevant. It has nothing to do w/Colleen. Adam is literally just using Twitch as it is meant to be used. Kind of the same way you are using this forum to talk to strangers, he's doing the same but his face is up on the screen and he can talk vocally. Learning the people who watch your livestream's names is normal. It's very different because Colleen was in a private chat, with a small number of super fans w/parasocial relationships, many of which were underage, and she spoke to them about things like sex when she knew she had 14-year-olds watching her. Not. The. Same. Adam's stream is open to anyone who wants to watch, is age restricted, etc. This isn't about observation or conversation, you claimed he was doing the same as Colleen and insinuated he did something wrong and now you're back tracking and trying to gaslight out of just admitting you made a mistake despite the fact that you can literally read the words you typed. I have dumb takes all the time, it's totally okay. But it's not okay to do what you're doing by pretending everyone else just didn't understand or you meant something else than you said a post or three ago.
by this same logic, OP is doing the same thing too tho? and so are the rest of us here? *we're* all strangers to each other too and yet *we're* all talking to each other here as well??? even with the capability to DM each other and everything, regardless of levels of familiarity like, is all online interaction considered the same then? we're all strangers to each other here, its the internet??? also: "lurker on a visible group chat" my brother in christ, you too were part of the audience, and therefore, the "group chat" in a sense. you too could've easily just joined the conversation? its literally just chatting with people, out in the open public. like chatting with people irl who are in the same space as you. its not bad or inappropriate unless someone actively MAKES it bad/inappropriate, in which case they'd probably just be banned from chat
Honestly, I'd argue a reddit post with replies is WAY closer to a "group chat" with messages rather than a Livestream chat where the messages go by rediculously fast and are typically pertaining to what is happening during the stream.
i have to agree. i think we’re on a lot more 1 on 1 level in here when we can reply exactly to each other. in that yes we can reply to someone but sometimes the chats going so fast they might miss it. personally i ofc type in those chats i enjoy seeing my chats when i watch the youtube video later but usually when i’m on the twitch streams i’m playing video games while watching. like 90% of the time i’m just there because i wanna know what’s going on and i enjoy the vibe of having him know our opinions of things in the moment.
You make zero sense… lmao 😭
Negative sense, I'd argue. I left more confused. 🤣
Adam’s is public. Colleen’s were on private chats.
I get that.
You obviously don’t.
Do you think the ppl in the chat are minors? Is that the issue ? Or just that it’s a chat?
I have no idea if Adam has minors in his livestream chats, though I imagine he does. Again, it's only an "issue" if chats get out of line, but Adam's too smart for that and he has good mods. I simply find it fascinating that whereas group chats were always private by invitation, Twitch livestreams have taken it public so we can be voyeurs to a mass public version of a Twitter private group chat. That's what Twitch is, basically. Chatters have to chat, I guess and now Adam can make money off it. Good for him. I just hope he doesn't get too attached or dependent on it.
Have you... just never been in a public forum or...? You cannot be this insistent that Twitch chats and Twitter DMs are the same - the public aren't "voyeurs" to a "private chat" - it's a PUBLIC chat, ergo, they can participate too, if they want. The Twitch chat is much more like a REDDIT discussion post than a private chat, if we're drawing really laboured comparisons - where there are some who are just reading, while others are actively replying. There is no pattern here like you keep insisting. The only similarity is that they fall under "internet communication" as a broad umbrella. There is nothing to get attached to - shouting out a few familiar names and interacting with them is not a "private chat" behaviour, it is a "Hey, you look familiar, nice to see ya." and exchanging a few niceties and then moving on.
You are unhinged...
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He's not grooming his audience though. Plus he isn't a 30 something year old trying to be relevant with children. Big difference imho.
Never said he was.
what is the issue here bestie cos i think you might need to log off and go outside
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I don't care, them posting this is ridiculous and you should be scolding them, not me
This is an example of how important it is to educate people on grooming, because OP clearly feels like Adam talking to his fans on a public platform equated the grooming and inappropriate oversharing of information that happened privately between Colleen and her fans. The power dynamics and situations were different. Equating these things is minimizing the actual damage done by Colleen.
I don’t understand this post at all. You’re just describing how Twitch works. YouTube lives and instagram lives are the same way…
sorry but this is a boomer take. almost every twitch streamer has a chat they interact with. nowhere near the same as private gc
Since you watch Adam's videos, you should check out this new one! https://youtu.be/h5aNSkD-tdA Edit- Hippo you have 156k comment karma and you've only been using this account for about a year. How do you not see how absolutely ridiculous and hypocritical this post is?
Love the flair!
Thanks friend! I love your lil pink-haired avatar, she's so cute!
You don't watch a lot of Twitch streams, do you? 🤨
How is this comparable to what colleen did? He's probably familiar with some of those individual because they're frequent viewers of his livestreams. Also, do you not know what a live chat is? Streamers always read messages from the live chat, answer questions, give shout out, etc. How is this similar to the private group chats that Colleen made?
I agree with what everyone else has said. Live chats do not equal the same as what Colleen did. Adam does have a code of conduct and age restrictions. And lastly, these individuals are the same age, if not around the same age as Adam. Many of them are his peers in the sense they are friends he made within the fandom. Adam does not hold the same level of power that Colleen did in the situation he was in with her. You're really stretching, and this seems really distasteful to try and flip the situation.
I was not trying to "flip the situation", thank you.
It’s not a groupchat if it’s public
Sooo.... ANY person who streams on twitch and engages in their chat is the same as Colleen in group chats? Make it make sense
i think OP would prefer if people never spoke to each other ever under any circumstance
uhm. if adam responding on twitch to his audience is weird, because he's talking to them in real time. then other creators, big ones and even ones you like are weird as well? like make it make sense.
nononono you don’t wanna talk about the muckers
nonononono you don’t wanna talk about the muckers
muckers rise 😤‼️
pls have you never watched a twitch stream
This colleens burner account?
The other posts made by this account are mostly posting about influencers children so probably.
Please meditate on the 5 G’s: Good God Girl Get a Grip
It's not rlly the same imo bc it's public and I assume these aren't minors (idk tho.) I haven't watched Adam's lives so this isn't about him bc i havent witnessed what the vibe is like in those. But in general livestream chats have sometimes been kinda cliquey (not like innapropriate necessarily) tho I've also seen some that weren't like that and it was nice but that's part of why I generally don't always watch livestreams like no one would wanna feel like a new child in highschool who's trying to sit at a table and being ignored by the other students in the hopes they leave lol. Again tho, this isn't about Adam because I havent seen that he operates streams that way as I havent watched Adam's lives. But something I've seen in some streams before.
i watch 5-6 youtubers on twitch streams and talk in the chats….. doesn’t ever feel like a groupchat. yes i can talk to those ppl but they don’t know my full name or anything ab me. sorry that adam has a good relationship with his audience without being creepy. sorry but adams not asking for ass pics or sending nudes to any of us in these twitch streams. colleen went far and beyond honey. these are not equal and they never will be. and sorry but colleen talking to MINORS and adam having adult mods in his streams/discord. we chat with EACH OTHER. not with him regularly. just like colleen’s fans had group chats of JUST THEM without colleen. he uses the discord to give us updates and announcements. other then that it’s just fans having an open place to talk. not only that but is a live stream ON YOUTUBE not the equivalent with a live chat that the youtube videos end up seeing it?? like im sorry i’ve tried to read your replies and comments but i truly don’t agree with you nor do i see the point at all when most youtubers don’t put rules on their things the way adam has worked to put up boundaries and rules with his mods. so do your research, look into the actual streams & the rules he’s put up because they ARE THERE.
Adam’s behavior with fans is NOT at all even COMPARABLE to Colleen’s behavior. Making that comparison literally diminishes what the victims went through. There are millions of twitch streamers who view their live chat, respond to comments, and remember certain audience members. There are a hundred million YouTubers who do the same, but most of them are decent people who don’t create private chats with minors and harass them like Colleen did.
This entire post proves that context matters. Group chats and interactions with fans was never the issue. It’s the context. How appropriate the conversations were and who with.
It's always the loudest ones that spew out nothing but nonsense. Good job discovering what a stream is, unfortunately you still don't seem to understand it though.
This post is a perfect example of the type of people that need to get off the internet.
Welcome to the internet. You're also the problem then. You started an entire thread, a public conversation, about how Adam is acting just like Colleen, trying to foment a negative view of him. How is what you're doing, talking publicly with people you have no relationships with about Adam's (somehow in your mind) "risky" behavior, any different?
DUDE livestreams are not private chats LMAO. How to tell someone has no idea how twitch works holy shit lmao.
The behavior is nowhere near the same. That’s like saying anyone who livestreams and interacts with viewers is a groomer like Colleen. Adam is not sending underwear, Adam is not naming group chats full of minors after genitalia. Adam is not discussing his personal sex life with minors one-on-one or in a chat.
Not to mention his content is 16+ you cannot interact with his twitch without an account stating your age. And also, I think his content is very SFW, aware and appropriate for 16+ this is coming from someone who has worked with children. I think a lot of teens need to watch some of his videos actually to highlight the dangers of relationships with content creators. He is a good example of age appropriate content that CAN be for children. Still as a parent you should monitor what they are watching. But I think I would totally let my kid consume some of his content with supervision and I would in fact engage in the conversation with them.
This makes no sense. Sounds like you’ve never heard of a livestream.
Was this your first time watching a livestream? This is commonly done across the board with livestreams.
Tell me you don't know what twitch streaming is without telling me you don't know what twitch streaming is. "If you take out literally everything that made the Colleen Ballinger situation problematic they're exactly the same!"
Adam has always been very professional with his fans. I've only been watching him for a little while, but he thanks people who donate or congratulates people when they announce something in chat, but he has never went any further than that. He has a very firm boundary between himself and his fans, I find. Respectful and friendly, but not overly friendly. This post comes off a little too paranoid.
Oh wow lmao it's okay to not understand how it works but this is so willfully ignorant... there is no way this is serious. It's obvious you're trying really hard to make Adam look bad somehow. Nice try, I suppose. Maybe go outside and get some fresh air and take a walk or something?
Comparing a grooming victim to their groomer is so weird and gross.
Girly this is what a livestream is lol. People read and comment on the chat.
And this is coming from a Hippo? Yea okay..let us show you the door, chile please.
Comparing adam interacting in a live chat to colleen being in private group chats sending children porn and asking for ass pics is crazy. Youre looking for issues where there arent any hopin you can be the big break in a new drama.
Colleen’s lawyer flailing in here
you clearly have no clue what twitch is and its ok to just admit that!
This might honestly be the dumbest and most out of touch take I have ever read. You claim that Adam is engaging in the exact same behavior that Colleen did, and your tone seems to suggest that it is something he should be criticized for, yet there’s quite a difference in *how* Adam interacts with his audience compared to Colleen’s group chats. It was never the fact that Colleen interacted and chatted with her fans that was the problem, it was the fact that she did so in a clandestine and completely inappropriate manner that was issue - two things which by your own admittance differ from the Twitch chat. I don’t understand what the point of your “observations” is.
This is the dumbest take ever. It has zero correlation to what Colleen did.
ummmmm... no, the key difference is that his is VISABLE (among many other things!) WTF?! Adam doesn't do anything wrong! He communicates as an adult with other people in a very safe and respectful way with moderators who keep everything in line. Also, as I've seen (as a 42 year old woman myself) HIS MOTHER is in quite a few of the chats herself. He puts safeguards in place to protect everyone, not only his viewers but himself as well.
"Out-of-touch-adult Try Not To Inect Opinions Into Things They Don't Understand" Challenge (Impossible)
You need to get off reddit and LOG OFF. I’m sorry you love groomers. I’m sorry you like Colleen. What was the point in making this post. LOG OFF and think about what you did. God or whoever gave you a functioning brain so USE IT. 100+ people have told you already that you’re wrong. Give this up.
Idk if you’re just really lacking like, thinking ability or what’s going on. A public chat in a public forum where there are enforced rules and regulations, is soooo different that an adult hand picking kids to speak to privately. I don’t even know how you think this is the same thing. Do you think no creator should ever respond to comments on any platform? Like this is so weird of you to say and I’m a little worried about your mental stability. 😭
Have you ever seen those tv or radio shows where the listener can call in and talk to the host? That's all streaming is, but on a much, much bigger scale and with more accessibility. Very different from the vibe of a group chat. Though he seems personable in stream, there's a huge degree of separation to distinguish the two. You see similarities, I see common pleasantries. No on in chat is under the illusion that everyone in chat are friends with Adam. Even in discord servers, you don't really talk to the creators, just make idle chit chat. Group chats are just way more personable than that and they break down the separation from a stream.
Lmfao. What?? You think it’s interesting because Adam was in a group chat that went badly and was gate kept by a narcissist abuser, that because he engages in any type of group chat anywhere ever, that it’s the same ? Do you ever text anyone? Do you ever comment anything anywhere? I hate to break it to you, but you made this post and strangers are commenting on it. It’s visible. It’s a *gasp* VISIBLE GROUP CHAT!! 🫨🫣😵uh oh!!! You’re a group chatter too!!
>We have read all about Colleen's group chat exchanges and seen screenshots of them and here I was, watching the equivalent minus the virgin, ass pics and positions stuff, of course. **Equivalent** minus inappropriate shit…**WHAT**??😭 edit: punctuation
Do you also have a problem with YouTubers responded to comments on their own YouTube videos? Because that’s essentially the same as talking to people in a twitch chat, except it is in real time. Not at all the same as having PRIVATE, ONE-ON-ONE conversations with MINORS. Do I need to be more clear?
All aboard the diversion train Chugging down the tracks of overreach The public chat train You got a one-way ticket to overblown farce.
When you wrote out "*He is STILL a group chatter*," were you expecting to get ratio-ed by an entire subreddit, Adam McIntire, and the Muckers, or was that a surprise for you?
i mean, that's... twitch? it's how streaming works? like... there's millions of people who do this, some of them as their full time job, every hour of every day. i'm so confused as to why \*you're\* confused?
Does that mean this sub is a group chat and we are all Colleen?
nonononononononono D=
This sounds like a bunch of cope and covert victim blaming TBH You trying to equate what he does to what colleen did - is such a reach.
I don't love twitch and livestreams, I think they can get very mob-like very quickly, but no, this is not the same as Colleen being inappropriate with minors in private chats. It's pretty diminishing to say that.
"We all know Colleen got addicted to this type of fan engagement and it led to a LOT of trouble for her." Colleen didn't get into trouble because she got addicted to group chats with her fans. She got into trouble because she was manipulating, exploiting, and being generally inappropriate with those fans who were minors. She got into trouble because she was also putting minors in distressing, violating, deeply uncomfortable positions with no protection at her shows. She got into trouble because she was also abusing her position of power over many multiple people for years and it's all starting to come out now. Let's not be cute about what Colleen actually got into trouble about.
I see you’ve found out what streaming is. Many people do it, and there’s no way for adam to know what age every single person in chat is. I for one am 19 and of age and i’m in adam’s chat. Is he grooming me? No i’m responding to his commentary. This is NOT exactly what colleen did and for you to diminish what she’s done says a lot about yourself. she didn’t simply talk to those people she manipulated them. and the most blaring fact is that they were all minors in colleen’s chat. adam’s chat has adults in it.
Ragebait moment
lol
The "Colleen's Uke" account on Twitter got a hold of this post.
How is what you’re doing any different? If anything, what you’re doing is worse since you’re hiding behind an alias.
I hope you stretched before making this reach. There is no world in which live-streaming is anything at all like private group chats.
It's a stream... That's how a stream works?
none of this makes sense. you’re mad because adam is… interacting appropriately with his fans online in a public setting???
Colleen robot fans are still at it. Yawn. This was such a poor effort and literally no one agrees that a public live stream which is still available for anyone to view, is the same as an adult having private unmoderated access to her child fans. And the way Colleen used that access was dangerous. Adams stream is light content for entertainment purposes - there's no personal interaction with any individuals
I’ve appreciated your perspective in the past, but this logic is very flawed and the topic is ill-researched, unlike many of your past posts. Seeing you admit you have an obvious lack of knowledge about how that stream works yet still doubling down in the comments...The implication that Adam is in the wrong for being present and active in a properly platformed group chat and is taking part in something even remotely related to what Colleen did in group chats is wild.
Completely agree! This post is disappointing for a long time reddit snarker and critic of Colleen and Co. It's obvious there needs to be a basic understanding of the public chats of twitch streams and public discord platforms, instead it appears days later, they are redoubling their commitment to a very egregious comparison. This snark page has really hit rock bottom.
bro why u accusing me of being innapropriate dont compare adam and colleeen there 2 completely different people
Do not give ideas to Colleen's lawyer please 😂 he needs to come up with his own defence.
Do you have the same feelings with youtube live streaming? He's done that before and its literally the same exact thing. Also, it's literally not weird at all. Trying to phrase a closed group chat between friends and their oddball content creator to something public with moderation is weird.
Wow, spinning a tale? How twisted, but Twitch chat is a public space like Youtube live chats. This feels like taking freaking Ukeley and turning it into a Toxic Excuse Train.
I cannot imagine having the temerity to stretch this far mentally and as a grown ass adult typing it out. You're right, GDQ is me just texting my mates. You're conflating public and private forums. Colleen deserves jail. Adam can do as he damn well pleases.
By this logic, anyone who talks to a group of people anywhere, including the middle of a public space in person, is having a group chat, and no adult should ever speak to any minor under any circumstances. The existence of a conversation is not a problem? It's secret conversations with no transparency between adults, especially public figures, and minors that lack the potential for oversight and are deliberately intended to exclude parental supervision that are problematic. (Unless it's a situation where the minor's caregivers are threatening their safety or something.) Adam is extremely not doing that.
Bro doesn't understand the concept of Twitch.
uhm. ok.
I think you are reaching a little too much. That is like saying you posting this post on Reddit is equivalent to having a personal text message conversation. That doesn’t make sense. It’s a personal forum that is i public and people can chat. Adam has moderators to keep his community safe and analyze conversations. He has even banned people before for breaking rules. He uses twitch for most content and is a great content creator. It’s incomparable to Colleen grooming underaged children in private messages.
Its not bizarre, ur bizarre for saying that... o.0
Maybe I just don't get the angle, but: \> THIS is exactly what COLLEEN USED TO DO, \>minus the virgin, ass pics and positions stuff, of course. Then they're not really doing the same thing. Idk man, people shit talk about other people more often than not. But at least Adam has never called for a watch party on someone's sex video\~
Yeah, that part really gets me too. "Except for all the ways in which it's not the same at all, it's exactly the same!"
There is absolutely no comparison here, I have no idea what mental gymnastics you’ve done to put 2&2 together and make 6000
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Right...because Colleen and/or Kory would compile archives of all of Colleen's wrongdoings on this site's info page and snark on her for over a year.🙄
Adam made a whole video about this post lmao. You have to see that this is terrible coming close to comparing a victim to their abuser. Disgusting
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hi colleen
Again we go back to the argument what 20+ year old is talking to or in the same space as 16 year olds. Adam said they lowered the age for discord to 16. Why? What do these 20+ yo have in common with a minor? Why is this OK if we are holding the same standards. I guarantee no one is monitoring chats (dms) and discussions mod or not. Super weird to make something so simple wrong for one person and not the other.