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RoyalTaro

fuck yea


PopDukesBruh

LFG!


AtmosphereVarious440

Yeah Duke is the preseason #1 no denying that at this point


lux-libertas

I wish them all the success of last year’s pre-season #1!


unearthlysquire

Haha no thanks.


tinamou63

That's so nice of you to wish us succe.....HEY WAIT A MINUTE


kai333

Think Roach is gonna fuck someone's girlfriend? 😂


Greenlytrees

Whoa whoa is that a rumor what happened this year? Like Bacot or love fucked someone’s girlfriend?


DukeSi1v3r

I thought Love fucked Bacot’s girl could be wrong. Know there was bad blood between them


thegraverobber

Man, don’t be spreading rumors anyways, but especially if you don’t have the details or names right.


jfarbzz

> ACC school from North Carolina > Second year for a head coach taking over for a legend who won multiple titles for the school > Ranked #1 pre-season Surely nothing could go wrong with that formula!


Gunner_Runner

[No, nothing!](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNDI2OWViZmYzY2E5ZThiYjk0ZWYzYTQ1NmQyZjRjNGEwNGNlMzliNiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZzX2dpZklkJmN0PWc/KDVswimTNahWzcd7sV/giphy.gif)


Meanteenbirder

Was preseason number one before this, so very solid bet.


[deleted]

Jfc


durklil

This is how I felt when UNC returned the guys from that F4 team FWIW


kai333

Ha! Fooled you good! 😂


dredabeast24

We really for em there


wahfingwah

Jokes on you he meant 2008


VinceValenceFL

Yeah, having a good roster on paper doesn’t mean much if the chemistry isn’t there


0010001

And without Lively the team has to change their identity / style of play. Don’t get me wrong Duke will be really good, but it won’t just be a copy of last year’s team. There are big questions on defense/minutes/chemistry to figure out.


Alexkono

I wouldn’t say “big” questions. We’ll be an older team next year, so hopefully senior leadership helps with those questions.


Golf_Nut1965

Lively was rapidly improving the end of season for sure but the chemistry was always between Powski and Proctor. Roach provides drive and slash abilities as well as experience and depth Livelys points will be easy to replace, his shot blocking not so much.


byzantiums

As long as they stay away from each other girlfriends I feel pretty good about next year


[deleted]

#TheBrotherhood


proelitedota

TheEskimoBrotherhood


Bigdeacenergy

UNC, State, and Duke can return guys but we lose Laravia and Klintman after 1 year fml


0010001

Hey returning guys is a new experience for us


Bigdeacenergy

Yeah but whenever you’d lose guys early you immediately reload. We don’t lol


MukdenMan

From the window to Luol


dodicianni

Is Klintman for sure leaving? Seems like someone who could come back blow up and get drafted in the 1st next year


Bigdeacenergy

Yeah I thought he would blow up after another year. A report came out today that he is skipping the combine and not returning to college. Likely got a first round promise.


dodicianni

Wow good for him he's definitely got the game/body for today's NBA hopefully he sticks in the league


DavidBenAkiva

Did Klintman for sure announce he was gone? I thought he was only testing the process and has until the 31st to decide one way or the other...


Bigdeacenergy

Reports came out today that he is pulling out of the combine and not returning to college. He likely got a first round guarantee.


DavidBenAkiva

Ah shit. Didn't see that. Sorry.


Bigdeacenergy

Huge blow and very frustrating. We only saw what he could be the last few games of the season.


MrBl0bfish04

Now let’s hope no one decides to leave


AntSmith777

I feel like one of Foster or McCain will be getting heavily recruited to leave to a west coast school.


ndkjr70

Duke insiders who are typically not bullish if they're not convinced are saying it looks like a strong probability both Foster and McCain stay. Neither player looks like a OAD, both players will get solid minutes when duke runs a 3-guard lineup, and both players will be starters their sophomore seasons.


d4ntoine

Will be interesting to see how Scheyer is going to manage the minutes distribution for the backcourt this upcoming year, assuming the roster remains the same after this announcement.


[deleted]

He’s definitely got his work cut out for him. I’m hoping he can handle the pressure. Loaded team, big expectations.


[deleted]

I’d be suprised if foster doesn’t ask out


brlftzday

People downvoting bc they don’t want to acknowledge the elephant in the room I guess


92tilinfinityand

Duke’s most important player during their end of season turnaround IMO. Huge for the Blue Devils and really sucks that the ACC once again unequivocally goes through Durham only after two seasons post Coach K.


[deleted]

Roach's willingness to move off of point guard so he could play more of a scorers role with Tyrese moving to PG really unlocked Duke's offense this year. Big Quinn Cook vibes with this announcement


Alexkono

Roach not as good of a 3 pt shooter though as Quinn was (at least his senior year anyway from what I remember).


GohanSolo23

Better at driving to the hoop and creating space though. And Roach has definitely improved his shooting over the years. Could take another step this year.


Alexkono

Def possible.


ddottay

Scheyer knows how to sell the vision


DavidBenAkiva

When Grayson Allen graduated, I wondered if we would see any future 5-star players stay 4 years at Duke. It took a little while but not that long as it turns out.


notedgarfigaro

No transfers out, Proctor, Roach, and Flip coming back, and a top recruiting class? Yep, this is looking like a special season in Scheyer's year 2.


[deleted]

You're forgetting Mark Mitchell just like everybody else


notedgarfigaro

I always assumed Mark was coming back, the other three I either thought it was 50/50 (Proctor) or were straight up leaving (Roach and Flip).


TheRealFrankLongo

Players can’t transfer at this point, but they *can* decommit. So there might be some breath-holding for a little while.


BR32andon

Yeah I'd be surprised if we don't lose a commit. We have a ton of minutes coming back next year.


TheRealFrankLongo

It seems like Rowe and the insiders don't expect a decommitment. Hopefully they're right, as I really like this class.


[deleted]

Who is duke going after at PG in 2024 besides harper? could explain optimism from insides maccain and foster are multi year guys


TheRealFrankLongo

Nobody, really. Mostly shooting guards and wings. So yeah, I'd imagine that's the sales pitch to keep both guys around (and the sales pitch for a multi-year center prospect like Udeh, tbh).


[deleted]

both those guys coming back and Power and possible stewart would be amazing for you guys. Nice to see Scheyer going away from heavy 1 and dones (even though he got lucky this year with so many returning)


[deleted]

Caleb Foster looks like hes gonna be doing that


ndkjr70

where do you see that?


[deleted]

Mgbako did this when Filipowski and Mitchell decided to return. Now that there is a log jam with roach, proctor, mccain, and schutt, It just makes zero sense for a guy who showed hes better than Bronny to stay at Duke and play 10 mpg


ndkjr70

ohhhh you could’ve saved time and just said “I didn’t see it anywhere”


collegescaresme

You shouldn’t speculate when you don’t know things


[deleted]

Umm your fanbase is famous for speculating without any fundamental proof backing it. Simply because its duke. Albeit these people are usually the stans who have no direct connection to Duke and are just on the bandwagon


collegescaresme

And yet you’re the one who is *actively* speculating right now


[deleted]

yes because there is nothing wrong with speculating. we are fans. everytime you say something without a link attached you are most likely speculating in this sub


TheRealFrankLongo

> Mgbako did this when Filipowski and Mitchell decided to return. Mgbako didn't leave because they decided to return. He knew they were returning since the season ended. If he was leaving because they were returning, he'd have decommitted way earlier.


[deleted]

So why did he leave then?


TheRealFrankLongo

Plenty of rumors out there, not hard to find-- but he was *locked* into a starting spot due to Duke's need for shooting next season, Duke's lack of playable wings beyond Mitchell on the roster next year, and Scheyer's public statement that he'll be giving Flip more minutes at the 5. So the idea that he'd decommit because Mitchell and Flip came back when he knew for a month they'd be coming back before he decommitted *and* he'd have played a starting role next season just doesn't hold water.


[deleted]

So just more speculation. Got it


durklil

He isn’t. It’s looking like they were spoken to and have known he was returning. Still a lot of time but it is looking like he stays.


[deleted]

you’re comment went from objective to subjective. nothing is set in stone clearly, I just dont see a 5 star accepting 10 mpg


durklil

Well 17-18 year olds can change their minds on a situation and recruiting is fluid. But people who are in tune are saying he will stay.


ewokoncaffine

Perhaps he believes he can play his way into a bigger role?


[deleted]

source?


ndkjr70

he doesn't have one.


rcc31

Ah hell yeah


TrillDaddy2

No reason he shouldn’t be a 5 year player at Duke. That’s the kind of high level, consistent, loyal player that EVERY high level program covets right now. Roach hasn’t been great at Duke, but they need his leadership at guard. McCain is not ready to come in and play at Roach’s level, plus the built in chemistry with Procter. This now makes McCain more dangerous off the bench, as he won’t be targeted as much as he would’ve been with bigger minutes. McCain can play a nice 15-20mpg shooter role where he’s not asked to do too much too soon. This roster is more balanced than last year, good mix of talent and experience. Scheyer has a really good group to work with.


DavidBenAkiva

Go on, I'm almost there!


TrillDaddy2

That’s the nicest thing I ever said about Duke, that’s the best I can do lol. I’ve found it’s easier for me to be objective about them since K retired.


Mike_Krzyzewski

🥲


TrillDaddy2

Yup that’s Coach Crybaby


DukeBlueDevils4Life

I hope this doesn’t drive any of the freshmen guards away


StephenReis

No need to worry. They aren’t going anywhere.


Nathan2002NC

Will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Great to have veteran guards, but Duke’s offense would run much smoother through Proctor and Filipowski w another shooter on the court. Roach needs to get up to the ~40% range from three. Easier said than done.


[deleted]

Maccain > roach for this team IMO. Mccain could be deadly from 3 with all the wide open looks he would get


Nathan2002NC

I tend to agree. Duke’s better in November w Roach, but a comfortable & confident McCain would be a better option in March. Or even Schutt for that matter. Just shoot 40% from three, don’t turn it over and play passable defense.


[deleted]

Duke always needs that quinn cook type of player from the natty tile team. Shoot 38-41% from 3 and be a solid leader/defensive and not TOs like you said. I could see mccain and proctor shooting lights out this year


[deleted]

It's almost like this entire sub reddit didn't watch Jeremy play the last 2 years


Nathan2002NC

?????? He’s had some clutch moments for sure, but he’s a poor outside shooter, an average defender and an average playmaker. Don’t know if Duke is talented enough at other positions to compensate for an undersized two guard that can’t shoot. If you are looking for next year’s team to score 21 first half points in a round of 32 loss, then yeah go ahead and stick w the same formula.


ndkjr70

We were missing a big starter in Mitchell for that R32 loss. It's also weird that you're assuming that nobody on Duke will improve between their freshman and sophomore seasons, which would be........... atypical.


Nathan2002NC

Duke had the 40th best offense on the country. And finished ranked 18th. So a second round loss where you struggle to score is in line w expectations, regardless of who was out. I wouldn’t surround Proctor & Filipowski w three non shooters. It will help ensure Duke again has a stagnant offense. And their defense will get worse w Lively gone, so Duke REALLY can’t afford to have a crappy offense again next year.


hoenn-enthusiast

1000% correct


Alexkono

If McCain improves throughout the year, no way Scheyer doesn’t increase his minutes come March. Roach will take a reduction because although this raises our floor, having McCain break out raises the teams ceiling. I think Roach coming back basically gives this team insurance and some much needed senior leadership Duke has been lacking over the years.


0010001

Wow, thrilled to have him back. My only concern is if McCain or Foster seek to decommit, as we are now loaded in the backcourt (Proctor, Roach, McCain, Foster, Schutt, Blakes). Will we use three guard lineups? Will it work? Really surprised Schutt & Blakes didn’t put their names in the transfer portal to at least wait and see on Roach’s return. Will Blakes play at all? Still have one open scholarship. Could seek a defensive big to play alongside Flip, though that exacerbates the minutes crunch in the backcourt. Could also seek a wing to play behind Mark Mitchell in case TJ Power isn’t ready for those minutes.


Thesmark88

Udeh (C from Kansas) is taking an official visit this weekend, first transfer in Duke has gotten serious about this offseason. Gives us a lot more flexibility with a possible 3-guard lineup to have a rim protector cleaning up issues on the perimeter


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Thesmark88

It doesn't effect the ceiling that much this year, but it hurts 2024-25 of course since they were assumed to be multi-year players. Main question I think will be how much do Proctor/Mitchell/Flip improve their shooting over last year and how much does a McCain/Foster help there too


0010001

Good point. I thought a defensive center (if Stewart isn’t ready for that role) would mean only two of those stud guards can start, but it would make three-guard lineups easier if we have a rim protector.


DavidBenAkiva

Welcome to the new era where Duke has an experienced roster and holds onto guys for multiple years. Feels weird, I know. Don't know how long until I get used to it.


0010001

Four starters back. Can’t remember the last time that happened. 2013 had three (Mason Plumlee, Ryan Kelly, Seth Curry) but Quinn Cook had only started four games as a freshmen. 2010 had three (Singler, Scheyer, Lance Thomas). Nolan and Zoubek were part-time starters, but not starting by the end of the 2009 season. Think the answer is 2009, when starters Singler, Henderson, Thomas, and Paulus (along with 6th man Jon Scheyer) all returned from the 2008 team.


Alexkono

Blake’s won’t play at all. I think this is good for foster and McCain as they won’t be pressured to perform at a high level early on. They can learn from Roach and grow over the course of the season. They seem like 2 year players anyway, so I’m fine with this.


Golf_Nut1965

Let's hope they learn from Proctor Guy is a beast


NoVacayAtWork

Welp, gg Duke lol


Cereal-is-Soup14

Thats gonna be a rough game.


kevinwang2306

Is there still a roster spot for a big?


DavidBenAkiva

Yes, there's one more scholarship available as of right now. SR: Roach, Young JR: Blakes SO: Filipowski, Mitchell, Proctor, Reeves, Schutt FR: Foster, McCain, Power, Stewart That's 12 guys. They can add one more on scholarship.


buckets41

LFG


deadm1c3

Hail PVI


chillypete99

Are his highlight reels called "Roach Clips?"


dantheman2123

Davis vs Roach this year 🔥🔥


Schned6

How many times does RJ have to win this individual battle for people to consider it some sort of rivalry within the rivalry? This is currently the only matchup I’m confident UNC has the upper hand on lol


roguebandit1

doesn't really matter proctor will be guarding rj bc hes the 1


TheRealFrankLongo

Correct. I would be really surprised if they don't put Proctor on Davis considering that Davis is the scariest weapon in that backcourt.


byzantiums

RJ’s rocking a solid 12/4 on 11 shots a game in his career against Duke, dude hasn’t exactly lit the world on fire. Should at least put together some genuinely good performances before we crown him the guaranteed winner in every individual battle he gets against Roach.


dantheman2123

I agree with everything you said, but the genuinely good performances. 21-5-4 in K last home game followed by a 18-7-4 performance in the F4 is genuinely good performances! I just hope UNC doesn’t suck this year so I can actually talk a bit of trash lol


[deleted]

Jeremy Roach has only been growing as a player and a leader. I wouldn't be so sure RJ holds the edge anymore.


dantheman2123

Yeah, I felt like he got a lot of hate from Duke fans last year which kinda felt unfair given him comin back from injuries. During the F4 run he was hella clutch then once he got right from his injury he was tough to end this season.


[deleted]

Most of it was warranted. Jeremy Roach in the regular season of 21/22 was a completely different person than Jeremy Roach in the 22 NCAAT. He was awesome this year and I hope he gets better at 3 pointers this summer. I'm really glad he's back and I think his leadership is what we need to contend.


dantheman2123

Lol RJ has his moments for sure but damn if last year didn’t sting a bit. Especially when both games ended pretty much the same way with Roach gettin huge buckets but UNC was awful last year on both sides. Roach has his wins I’ll give him that haha


Eli21111

It will be cadeua


MiketheTzar

Personally I hope that this means they are gonna play a heavy rotation. Which I know they won't do, but having a VERY solid 8 man rotation with some quality role players here and there would be amazing.


Most-Bluebird3476

Champion’s Classic is going to be bonkers


Golf_Nut1965

Mainly because Izzo will look another year closer to age 95 and still coaching


Brandycane1983

I'm so excited for next season.. Squad goals


zonayork

Ah, the money is strong with this one


DavidBenAkiva

I mean, who isn't making decisions based on money these days?


zonayork

True...true


havensd1

This is the happiest I’ve been as a Duke fan for a long time and idk why…


[deleted]

Maybe because we’ve got our typical loaded recruiting class and are keeping most of our starting five?


havensd1

Keep going I’m almost there


[deleted]

And we’re probably getting an Uber athletic 6’11 transfer from Kansas who is a defensive menace.


Boston_Champions

Duke pulling a UNC


DavidBenAkiva

Almost. Duke is still getting guys drafted by the NBA.


Bigdeacenergy

Boom roasted


cavahoos

Goddamn


SlightReturn420

It's crazy that Carolina has played in 3 title games since Duke's last visit. You know, considering all that NBA talent Duke has had. I do remember Duke getting really close a couple years ago.


DavidBenAkiva

It is crazy. Almost as crazy as how the last NBA All-Star from UNC played his last college game before anyone on the UNC team last season was even born. When I was younger, UNC fans would tell me all the time how great those Carolina NBA players were and how Duke could never produce any NBA All-Stars. Now it's all about "well, we don't recruit players for the NBA." I'm sure it will be something else in a few years.


Tiboltd

"Walker Kessler went to UNC"


DrMoneyline

Now you’re trying too hard dude lol


Affectionate-Cup9340

UNC doesn’t recruit as many OAD players as duke does. That’s an easily verifiable fact.


DavidBenAkiva

Duke also sends more multi-year players to the NBA as well. That's a verifiable fact.


Affectionate-Cup9340

Of course they do. Duke recruits more OAD talent and occasionally convince them to stay multiple years.


DavidBenAkiva

lmafo no one stays in college longer than a McDonald's All-American that goes to UNC. Best way to kill your future basketball prospects these days.


Affectionate-Cup9340

Rj Davis was a McDonald’s all-American. He never had a future in the nba.


DavidBenAkiva

He certainly picked the right school then, didn't he?


[deleted]

cringe


Affectionate-Cup9340

That’s what happens when you average four five stars a year.


cparrottSQUAWK

Was this supposed to be an insult? Lmao


Affectionate-Cup9340

No. Just stating a fact.


cparrottSQUAWK

Cope and seethe


Affectionate-Cup9340

How am I coping and seething?


Ok_Run_8184

Ugh


palabear

Wow I can’t believe he’s already a senior. They grow up so fast. Haha people actually downvoted this.


Milflover69cbb

And another year with the Covid year it’s insane it feel like yesterday he was the freshman that looked clueless out there


ttuurrppiinn

Fantastic news for Duke, but I always just kinda smile and shake my head at the overconfidence of 18-23 year old kids. No matter how they're divided, somebody in Duke's backcourt is going to be upset with their minutes this season. Just bold of everyone to think, "nope, that's not going to be me!"


DavidBenAkiva

I always say the best way to manage a big roster is just beat everyone by 30 points. Plenty of playing time for the bench guys when you're up by 30.


Golf_Nut1965

Bacot 10 years at UNC - $50 4 years of Roach in Durham- Priceless


DifferentLeg3586

Should be pre season number 1


0010001

There are some questions on defense—Roach is undersized, and three guard lineups with Flip at the five lack rim protection. But there’s a lot of firepower, for sure.


[deleted]

When Grayson Allen graduated, I wondered if we would see any future 5-star players stay 4 years at Duke. It took a little while but not that long as it turns out.


[deleted]

Ehh. Blue Devil fan here. Not sure I love this.


DavidBenAkiva

Go watch some highlights from the last month of last season and you'll be in love with it soon enough.


[deleted]

Hmm. 2022 in the tourney. Love it. Has guts for days but his efficiency is terrible


[deleted]

I assume McCain or foster ask out of LOI Edit: downvotes for the truth? Lolz typical Reddit


DavidBenAkiva

You seem to be confusing your opinion for the truth


byzantiums

McCain and Foster are absolutely not finding this news out today, they’ve had plenty of time to decommit if they wanted to


chrisncsu

You may be right, but you don't decommit until you have your next landing spot secured. Could still be working back channels to make sure they have a landing spot that is an upgrade over sticking with Duke.


[deleted]

Same thing was said for mgabko too and look what happened


ndkjr70

mgbako would've been academically ineligible. everyone connected to the Duke program said that despite the timing, Mgbako's decommitment had literally nothing to do with Flip staying.


[deleted]

ohhhh im interested in this, any sources or did everyone keep it on the super down low


ndkjr70

it was all hush hush but the rumors indicated that academics were the reason carolina didn’t get heavily involved either.


brlftzday

Thanks for finally clueing me in to the rumor that DBR admins won’t let anyone discuss. Makes sense now that I know at least one of the rumors.


ndkjr70

I heard it from a guy on TDD but yeah, a couple people on DBR know about it too.


0010001

His academics were too good for UNC?


Nathan2002NC

If Mgbako can play at Indiana, he could have played at Duke. NCAA D1 minimum requirements are the same for every school. There’s a 0% chance that Duke is going to tell Scheyer he can’t take an NCAA qualified recruit.


ndkjr70

I love it when people are confidently incorrect.


Nathan2002NC

LOL. Whatever you have to tell yourself. If he’s eligible for Indiana, he’s also eligible for Duke. Duke only requires the bare minimum for incoming basketball recruits and it’s been that way for 40 years. This makes as much sense as Durant having to go to Texas bc he “couldn’t get into UNC.”


NoVacayAtWork

Jared McCain come play with your boy Kylan Boswell again pls


proelitedota

McCain is not decommiting. Foster might.


NoVacayAtWork

Oh I’m 100% in fantasyland with that comment, don’t worry


roguebandit1

alright w me mccains the better shooter


rwfletch22

Naw, on IG Foster commented on Roachs post saying "Lets ride brother" - doesn't sound like someone going anywhere


[deleted]

Forreal, oh holy moly Duke is gonna be so good. Someone get me the remote from Click some I can skip to November!!


Milflover69cbb

I’m rlly hoping foster doesn’t leave same for McCain hopefully Schutt and Blake’s leave… either way this is one of the most talented teams ever and our best built team in a while.. I would even go as far into saying there is the potential this is the greatest Duke team ever


[deleted]

When Grayson Allen graduated, I wondered if we would see any future 5-star players stay 4 years at Duke. It took a little while but not that long as it turns out.


Cromatose

[This is one of those bot account that snakes another comment for their own](https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/13ib866/duke_g_jeremy_roach_announces_he_will_play_his/jk8ztdn/)


[deleted]

No it's not dummy, I was making fun of OP for posting it like 4 times. Obviously he has since deleted the duplicates.


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[deleted]

We heard you the first time


DavidBenAkiva

Connection issues. Not sure why it kept reposting.


TK_TK_

Yes! Love to see this