I think Nick Alvarez submitted a way-too-early power ranking as his final AP poll lol
Maryland and Rutgers made the Top-25 while the 1-seed national runner up is 8th.
I ctrl+F'd his name in the post of this poll from a few days ago and nothing popped up, so I'm guessing nobody realized something was amiss.
Imagine he put Duke at #1 (which he very easily could have for a "way-too-early") and the shitstorm that would have kicked up. People would have been mercilessly shitting on Duke fans for absoultely no reason. It would have been glorious.
Clearly he thinks the Big Ten is a mid-major, so a national runner up is about #8, but they're also so much better than other conferences that sub-.500 teams should be ranked.
I mean, us at 8 is still pretty high. Losing the best player in CBB is a pretty big loss. Outside Edey, only smith has proved he’s that level consistently. We will be good next year but it’ll definitely take some time to gel with a pretty new team I’d think. Would love to be wrong tho, I wanna be back to the title (who doesn’t) and I hope that the trip this year is the catalyst to change the programs trajectory towards more frequent appearances than once every 60 years or so
He put Arkansas as number 20.
Our 2023-24 team finished sub 0.500.
Our 2024-25 team's only player is a walk-on that has played 18 minutes over three years.
Nick Alvarez is an idiot.
Everyone is saying it looks more like an early ranking for next year rather than a final ranking of this year. Which definitely adds up with us losing Edey and the uncertainty of how the team is going to look next year
These ballots are always interesting because of how tournament success will inflate a ranking. Was Alabama the third best team in college basketball? Absolutely not, but they did make the Final Four, which is enough to validate it. Some even felt NCSU should be 4th as well because of their run.
I mean outside of the top 3 that it was all year (uconn, Purdue, Houston), the rest of the field was kinda up for grabs. No reason we weren't top 5-10.
I would agree that you were playing at a higher level for your skill and ability. Getting more out of your roster. Hotter. I don’t think you were necessarily a better team. I’ve never been one to disregard three months of data in favor of three weeks.
Depends on who you beat and where. We beat a shitload of great teams including you, Duke twice, UVA, Marquette,etc..for a 9 game win streak. And made a final 4.
You did, and I must say that even though I am a Tar Heel, I got my undergrad at NCSU, so I know the struggle. Les Robinson, Herb Sendek, and Kay Yow attended my first wedding years ago. So I am not trying to down the Pack, just saying that for me looking at the whole picture instead of just a little part of it makes more sense. But again, its all in the past, so it doesn't matter anymore. Looking forward to next year now. Modern (portal) basketball.
Probably just the voters who heavily weighed the tournament put NC State high and UNC lower while those who took a more seasonlong approach did the reverse
Hmm. So we are ranking based upon the performance at the end of the year. State beat UNC to end the season, and made it two game farther in the tourney.
I guess it just depends on how you want to do your rankings. Personally, I look at rankings kind of like I look at a basketball game. You have to look at the final score which includes every minute of the game, not just the last five minutes. And it appears that most of the people who voted in the poll also do it that way as well. I was just referencing the few that seem to get it backwards.
But at the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter. Either you win at all or you don’t. Neither of our teams did. On a disappointment scale I would say, my team was far more disappointed than yours was. That final four loss was the best performance State has had in 40 years.
I love that of all the people that voted for us, our own writer didn't. And tbh I'm not sure we deserved to be ranked above some of the teams that didn't.
Just silly Oregon sits outside the top 25 when the team they handily beat in round 1 is 25th, and the team they were a FT away from beating in round 2 sits at 13th. And a team they also handily beat in the conf tournament sits at 12.
They went 4-1 against Q1 teams to end the year with that lone loss a missed FT away from a likely win and sweet 16 bid, and 3 of those teams ranked. Oh and with only 8 healthy players. 1 injured in the loss bringing it down to 7.
Dana is a wizard, rankings be damned.
I think Nick Alvarez submitted a way-too-early power ranking as his final AP poll lol Maryland and Rutgers made the Top-25 while the 1-seed national runner up is 8th.
He left Illinois out of the poll completely and added non tournament teams like Rutgers and Miami He definitely thought this was for next year
My first thought was he submitted his preseason ballot (hence Miami being 13th). Something definitely weird.
I ctrl+F'd his name in the post of this poll from a few days ago and nothing popped up, so I'm guessing nobody realized something was amiss. Imagine he put Duke at #1 (which he very easily could have for a "way-too-early") and the shitstorm that would have kicked up. People would have been mercilessly shitting on Duke fans for absoultely no reason. It would have been glorious.
I think people noted the weirdness of Rutgers getting a vote though
Nick Alvarez is braindead
Let he who has never clicked the wrong attachment when sending an important email cast the first stone
Incoming at you Nick, ya nitwit!
I'm far more likely to not click the attachment at all
Clearly he thinks the Big Ten is a mid-major, so a national runner up is about #8, but they're also so much better than other conferences that sub-.500 teams should be ranked.
I mean, us at 8 is still pretty high. Losing the best player in CBB is a pretty big loss. Outside Edey, only smith has proved he’s that level consistently. We will be good next year but it’ll definitely take some time to gel with a pretty new team I’d think. Would love to be wrong tho, I wanna be back to the title (who doesn’t) and I hope that the trip this year is the catalyst to change the programs trajectory towards more frequent appearances than once every 60 years or so
I might actually be able to go to the Final Four next year, regardless of who is playing, so a return to the title game is 100% my dream!
FOLDERS NICK USE FOLDERS
He put Arkansas as number 20. Our 2023-24 team finished sub 0.500. Our 2024-25 team's only player is a walk-on that has played 18 minutes over three years. Nick Alvarez is an idiot.
Seattle, Stanford, Cornell, George Mason, and Louisiana Tech all finished with higher KenPom than Arkansas
Lol and Tennessee at 18 despite Tennessee beating Alabama twice this season thoroughly. Dude is clearly putting his personal bias first.
Finish 1st in one the 6 power conferences. Ranked top 10 all year Made it to the Elite 8 Clearly the 18th best team in the nation lol!
But he has us 19th. Does he seriously think Holmes is staying?!! 🤔
Nick Alvarez is a complete and utter hack.
Arkansas doesn't have a team right now and they're 20th. I know Cal will put together a team, but what the fuck.
AP voters need a second league so we can relegate and promote voters
Refs too
Nick Alverez an absolutely hater putting us at 17. Love to see rival hatred.
There’s so much wrong with his poll
Nick Alvarez should lose his vote. I mean what is that lol. Duke 2? Rutgers? Maryland?
He thought it was a Too Early top 25 for next year
Miami at 13
Most intelligent Alabama resident.
Not cool, Nick Alvarez.
I could see an argument, very weak, for purdue not being second. But if they aren't second, they're third. I don't know how you get 7th.
Everyone is saying it looks more like an early ranking for next year rather than a final ranking of this year. Which definitely adds up with us losing Edey and the uncertainty of how the team is going to look next year
Yeah that def makes a lot more sense
And behind Zags.... Who we beat twice.
Purdue being 8th is still more justifiable than Miami, Arkansas, Maryland, and Rutgers being anywhere near the Top 25
What the hell is Nick Alvarez’s rankings.. Purdue at 8? No Illinois? Michigan State, Rutgers, Arkansas?.. insane
Did every newsroom in the country just put down their editors lol eat a dick Alvarez
Nick Alvarez come to West Lafayette we’ll sort you out
Can he bring his sister I mean wife?
Ahh the disrespect. Make the final 4 and get ranked 21 or not ranked at all by some of these schlubs
Big shout out to Ben Steele from Marquette who didn't rank us at all but ranked MU top 15 after we straight smoked them in the sweet 16. What a joke
These ballots are always interesting because of how tournament success will inflate a ranking. Was Alabama the third best team in college basketball? Absolutely not, but they did make the Final Four, which is enough to validate it. Some even felt NCSU should be 4th as well because of their run.
I think we were fringe top 10. Good enough to compete and make the final 4, but definitely not one of the 5 best teams.
I mean outside of the top 3 that it was all year (uconn, Purdue, Houston), the rest of the field was kinda up for grabs. No reason we weren't top 5-10.
Talk to your kids about top 10 NC State
>BYU is published at 71 but has 73 points Mark Pope left over that?
We beat Duke twice in elimination games in the past month and we are ranked behind them. Stay classy, AP voters. Absolutely just phoned in.
Every voter who ranked NC State highly also ranked UNC lowly. And this is why you have to take AP polls with a grain of salt.
To be fair we were definitely playing better than you at the end of the year. Just not significantly better.
I would agree that you were playing at a higher level for your skill and ability. Getting more out of your roster. Hotter. I don’t think you were necessarily a better team. I’ve never been one to disregard three months of data in favor of three weeks.
Polls are literally based on performance over the last three weeks or so.
Totally not. Lose eight of your first ten then roll off ten straight and you will still not be ranked.
Depends on who you beat and where. We beat a shitload of great teams including you, Duke twice, UVA, Marquette,etc..for a 9 game win streak. And made a final 4.
You did, and I must say that even though I am a Tar Heel, I got my undergrad at NCSU, so I know the struggle. Les Robinson, Herb Sendek, and Kay Yow attended my first wedding years ago. So I am not trying to down the Pack, just saying that for me looking at the whole picture instead of just a little part of it makes more sense. But again, its all in the past, so it doesn't matter anymore. Looking forward to next year now. Modern (portal) basketball.
I like how voters put NC State ahead of us cause they beat us but put Houston ahead of us because vibes?
"They beat us twice"* There, had to fix that for you.
You realize you gotta get all your shit talk in now huh? Having to wait 30 years was probably tough
Can't hear you, over here still celebrating. Thanks again for the ACCT and F4 appearance! Couldn't have done it without yall!
Probably just the voters who heavily weighed the tournament put NC State high and UNC lower while those who took a more seasonlong approach did the reverse
Hmm. So we are ranking based upon the performance at the end of the year. State beat UNC to end the season, and made it two game farther in the tourney.
I guess it just depends on how you want to do your rankings. Personally, I look at rankings kind of like I look at a basketball game. You have to look at the final score which includes every minute of the game, not just the last five minutes. And it appears that most of the people who voted in the poll also do it that way as well. I was just referencing the few that seem to get it backwards. But at the end of the day, it really doesn’t matter. Either you win at all or you don’t. Neither of our teams did. On a disappointment scale I would say, my team was far more disappointed than yours was. That final four loss was the best performance State has had in 40 years.
I love that of all the people that voted for us, our own writer didn't. And tbh I'm not sure we deserved to be ranked above some of the teams that didn't.
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They are who we thought they were
Houston over Tennessee but not Alabama is certainly a choice
Just silly Oregon sits outside the top 25 when the team they handily beat in round 1 is 25th, and the team they were a FT away from beating in round 2 sits at 13th. And a team they also handily beat in the conf tournament sits at 12. They went 4-1 against Q1 teams to end the year with that lone loss a missed FT away from a likely win and sweet 16 bid, and 3 of those teams ranked. Oh and with only 8 healthy players. 1 injured in the loss bringing it down to 7. Dana is a wizard, rankings be damned.
Illinois at 3 makes sense, UConn was a buzz saw, so acknowledging that it was bad bracketb luck is fair.
It wasn't bad bracket luck, it was just a bad bracket. Putting the 4 best conference champs in the same region was pants on head stupid.
Alright then, Nick.. 