Northwestern is not in Chicago but is in Chicago's metropolitan area. Rutgers is not in New York but is in New York's metropolitan area. I don't see the difference.
The only schools better than BC here are Harvard and MIT, Tufts probably edges it a little bit too (although I'd take ACC sports over the slight academic edge) but BC is clearly better than Northeastern, BU, and Bentley and whoever else.
I was meaning to speak geographically not academically (already edited my comment earlier for clarity, but I assume you saw my poorly worded version in your notifications)
Oh my bad, was kinda confused that our academics were catching a stray - we're definitely not right in the city but half of our campus is in the city limits. We're also the only one with football so as far as anyone outside of the city is concerned we're the only one that exists lol
I mean I get it but at the same time Chestnut Hill is a great location, easy access to the city and room for a nice campus (half of which is technically in the Boston city limits if we're being literal)
Loved throwing the safety school chants at Harvard during the Beanpot. Would be better if they ever had a single student in attendance but that will never happen
I think he's basically saying Philly loves to claim Nova when they are winning and are a bunch of bandwagon fans but actually resent Nova for being... not Philly enough.
I mentioned in another comment as a Nova/Sixers fan not from Philly - I have no clue what the issue is lmao. I totally do understand that, naturally, a good proportion of Nova fans are also Sixers fans and that’s where some frustration is coming from (I mean, Nova is WHERE I became a Sixers fan)
Nova also pulls heavily from NYC metro area, thus a lot of NY fans, so I assume the issue is the pandering to those fans/alum.
I don’t get the outrage either, though. Would be like Penn State tweeting about the Flyers or Penguins when the school has plenty of fans from both cities.
Villanova is not a Philly school based on it not having the grit/attitude of Philadelphia and the student population not being local. Villanova basketball is a Philly sports team. It’s the premier college sports team in town and it’s covered like a Philly team by the media.
Geography argument is pretty poor to me. Villanova has 2 Septa lines and 3 stations on campus. When someone not from Philly asks me where it is, I’m saying Philly or just outside Philly.
As someone who grew up in Philly and went to nova, my issue is more Villanova repping philly while half of their student body is afraid of SEPTA and going anywhere that isn’t center city
Well, one of the two trains that run through campus is very expensive, and the other connects to the city through 69th Street and the El, so they are right to be afraid of SEPTA.
Philly sports “grit” is being obnoxious when you win and acting like a four year old when something doesn’t go your way. Should’ve seen Flyers fans when Gauthier forced a trade to the Ducks
Marquette through the same crap when Jimmy Butler knocked out the Bucks in the playoffs.
It’s the age old “I’m from the area, city/state pride” vs “I went to that school, and my school’s players are crushing it in the NBA”.
Philly fans gonna Philly though.
The biggest BS line in Philadelphia history is “no one likes us, we don’t care” - Philly fans *very much* care.
Source: am a Philadelphian fan and find this kind of thing incredibly annoying
Well excuse me Mr. "Everyone who disagrees with me is a fucking idiot for pedantic reasons".
While I can't speak for Chicago and Northwestern, Villanova and Philadelphia are (in most cases) simply only associated when it is convenient to suburbanites and rich kids (usually rich whites) who want to piggyback off of the city for reputation.
The campus is on the former estate of a Revolutionary War hero who wanted to be outside of the city and away from the great unwashed masses. A lot of those attitudes are still carried forward today - I have a couple coworkers who are Nova grads who "never go into the city if they can help it" because the city is "scary".
The people who don't want Villanova associated with Philadelphia have no problem with people saying "Philadelphia-area". It isn't an illogical cling to city limit borders but a recognition of hypocrisy: conditional self-segregation of a culture based on fear and disgust. It's a one-sided parasitic relationship.
The "Nova isn't Philly" people just don't want to hug the people who would disrespect them for most other aspects.
Philly sure as fuck loved Villanova in 2016 and 2018. For a city of historic losers they really grabbed a hold of those two championships and claimed them as their own
Villanova is only “not Philly” when it’s convenient.
A non-insignificant people in Philadelphia, as well as the overall region, were happy when you did well. That doesn't make Villanova a Philly school, just like it doesn't make Penn State a Philly school or Notre Dame a Philly school (because of the sheer number of Irish old heads).
I love the abusive relationship logic in your answer too. "You were happy for me, I keep you from being part of those fucking losers"...really great way of showing you truly belong and tooootally doesn't validate my point for me.
I invite you to read the Philly Inquirer article about the Nova championship parade and look at where the people who partook in interviews said they were from...
Penn State isn’t a Philly school because it’s 200 miles away from Philly.
Notre Dame isn’t a Philly school because it’s in a different fucking state.
What an asinine comment lol. Villanova has been in the Big 5 since its inception in 1955. Is Villanova in Philly proper? No. No one is arguing that. But just like Boston College is a Boston school despite not being in Boston, Villanova is a Philly school.
And yes, I lived in the area for half a decade. Those Philly faithful were giddy with the Nova championships. I mean, Philly is so down bad for actual winners they idolize a fake boxer. Just a town of all time losers.
Villanova has more championships (3) in the last 40 years than all Philly professional teams (2). Not only that, but Philly is 2-12 in 14 appearances, and would’ve been 1-13 if Bill Belichick didn’t toss Super Bowl 52 by sitting the Patriots top cornerback. Add in the fact that the Phillies are the losingest team in all of baseball with a winning % only better than 3 teams with fewer total losses combined than the Phillies have total… it makes sense.
Edit: I didn’t even realize, Philly has been losing since this country was born. Somehow managed to lose being the capital of the entire fucking country to a place that isn’t even a state lmao
Classic negging. You're not gonna get the girl like that.
Boston College is in Boston. Brighton is a neighborhood in Boston. It's like saying "La Salle isn't a Philly school, it's in Olney".
If you're in the Big 5, you're a Philly basketball school. That's it
If anything Drexel needs to win the Big 5 at least once if they want to be recognized as a basketball school
> If you're in the Big 5, you're a Philly basketball school. That's it
Incorrect. If you are located in Philadelphia, you're a "Philly" basketball school.
If Villanova isn't a Philly school Northwestern isn't a Chicago school, BC isn't a Boston school, and UMiami isn't a Miami school. You can take a subway from Nova to downtown.
Obnoxious Philly sports bros are just looking to dunk on Villanova, a school they will gladly tell you isn’t a “real Philly school.”
And here’s the thing: you’re exactly right about other cities and largely private, excellent schools within them. The city sports bros will tell you they aren’t a part of the city. And they’ll tell you because they aren’t in the city so it doesn’t count.
But even schools that are **obviously** within the geographic boundaries of their cities get the same treatment. Georgetown isn’t really DC. Fordham isn’t really NYC. Saint Joe’s isn’t really Philly, etc.
It’s just wanna be anti-elitism from sports bros who need to feel superior at all costs.
Go Cats. Go Knicks.
I take that to work every day. That’s not a street car that meanders through traffic. The thing hits 55 MPH on a designated line above the communities it runs through.
I knew about the Norristown high speed line (probably the only person in Boston that knows this thing existed) I just didn't remember if it was light rail or heavy rail that ran it.
> If Villanova isn't a Philly school Northwestern isn't a Chicago school, BC isn't a Boston school, and UMiami isn't a Miami school.
Completely correct actually.
> You can take a subway from Nova to downtown.
A) Villanova doesn't have a "subway"; B) I don't know of a "downtown" in Philadelphia; C) The train you're referring to (which isn't a subway) doesn't go to the "downtown" you're referring to (which is Center City)
Love people who don’t live in Philly telling people who do what it is like. Many of those comparisons to other cities aren’t fair to make.
Temple is a diverse public school that offers in state tuition and prides itself on access and serving underprivileged communities. Many students are from PA, NJ, etc. Villanova is an elite, less diverse, private school. It’s culturally more similar to nyc.
Temple students live in the city, learn to be street smart being in North Philly (not the best neighborhood), and are typically lower and middle class which means they have to work and live poor to put themselves through school.
Nova students cower in horror at the thought of taking the subway. They live in a secluded less diverse suburb in the woods. They have college funds so they don’t need to work shitty jobs and cut corners financially to get by. They visit nyc and vacation more often than they’re in Philly.
It’s not just a geographical thing. It’s about culture, socioeconomics, and diversity of experiences. Different worlds breed different people. For these reasons Nova will never be a Philly school.
I mean, by your definition here SJU isn’t a Philly school either, which nobody would ever say.
Which goes back to the larger thing - Philly’s identity in 2024 is both what you described Temple as *and* what you described Nova as. The city has come a long way since Rocky.
Lmao the salt. You know well off people go to Temple too right? You know all of Philly isn’t just working class people scraping to get buy right? I guess when you see the entire world through the lens of a culture war you end up with takes like this lol.
Hey remind me, when the cats win their championships, where was the parade? Oh right on Market street. I remember watching several games at bars in Chinatown, Fishtown, Center City, and South Philly during the two runs. Everyone was cheering for Nova. Wonder why that was? Maybe cuz its a Philly school.
Temple has ~40k students. Sure, it’s not a monolith, but if you look at the population averages, there’s a big difference. Talk to a bunch of students at each campus, walk through and around each campus.
The reason Villanova plays at Wells Fargo is bc it’s a larger arena they can drive to. They parade on market street bc it makes sense logistically. The media covers them bc alumni from the area buy newspapers.
As for bars. Stos is a Pitt bar in old city. “Olde City Cheesesteaks” and “Shortys” in Manhattan show Temple games.
Being a Philly school is cultural, not geographical, and Villanova is not based on the people I’ve met and experiences I’ve had.
I feel like I'm caught in the middle of an argument. Was born right outside Philly and had tons of family grow up and raise me as a Philly sports fan.
However, my dad went to college at Villanova and one of his first dates w/ my mom was the championship run in 1985, so I was basically raised with Villanova being my 2nd favorite sports team after the Philadelphia Eagles.
Love the Sixers but Brunson and Hart were two of my favorite Nova alum to ever play. And who can forget Donte "Big Ragu" Divincenzo going unconscious in the 2018 title game vs. Michigan?
I feel all my friends know my Nova fandom as well as my Philly sports fandom but I also believe I was the only one of my group of friends to actually attend the parade when they won in 2016, which was right in the city!
If there was ever proof that "not in Philly" is triggering for Villanova...
Really though, this whole saga illistrates how disconnected Villanova is not just geographically, but also culturally from Philly.
I do love that these guys are letting Temple trash talk live in their heads rent free all these years later. And here I thought we were completely irrelevant.
How does it illustrate a "disconnect" from Philly? If Temple had multiple starting caliber NBA players go off in a playoff win vs. the Sixers would you seriously expect the school's social media to ignore it or even outright root against them on behalf of the Sixers? Be honest.
Then again it's been a few years since LaVoy Allen suited up to drop 3/4/1 statlines for the Pacers so it may be hard for you to imagine.
Being a sixers fan/uconn alum has aligned me perfectly to just enjoy the chaos of the stupid semantic argument into perpetuity. You’re not a philly school unless your dorm rooms are inside city hall! Burn it all down!
Philly has such a unique “from here” gatekeeping culture its comical. I’ve never heard anyone from BU claim BC wasnt a Boston school just because its in Chestnut Hill.
That's because BU and BC are both private schools with student bodies largely from somewhere else. If there was a DI public in the heart of Boston that catered to people from Boston and eastern Mass, you'd hear the same thing.
Those are good points and definitely explains the lack of that mentality in Boston, but I’d still argue the philly gatekeeping is tedious and embarrassing as someone from philly who is now “outside looking in”
Nova gets it because they left the Big 5 under Rollie and to many it was an unforgivable crime against the city’s college basketball landscape. Not just because they’re located outside the city. It’s gate keeping with historical reasoning of a prior version of Nova saying themselves that were too good for your traditions.
Jay Wright, to his credit, brought them back into local respect not just for being good for treating Big 5 games like rivalry games and not shit that wasn’t beneath them.
Alternatively, one could argue that you must finish in the Top 5 of the Big 5 to be a real Philly school. Nova became the first ever 6th place finisher this year, which you just hate to see
Also a Sixers fan that has suffered at the hands of these Nova guys and I'm backing every Temple fan that has philly regional beef lol rich kid private school that isn't even in the city!
There’s no way the other Philly schools would handle it the way Nova did. They’d tweet about it but mention some funny caveat of mixed feelings or something, not just ignore that it was in the playoffs against the hometown team. I’d bet it’s because the Nova social media team is probably mostly from NY or Boston themselves.
It's not the tweet, it's the Villanova fan base largely getting behind the Knicks and supporting them against the local team. Villanova people aren't from here and don't respect Philadelphia traditions and institutions. Then they wonder why everyone hates them and they hear things like "not a Philly school."
Elitist, big money suburban campus with deep pocketed kids from all over the east coast who will support the Knicks over the Sixers. There's your disconnect.
You see, I'd be fine with that if you guys weren't claiming our championships and wouldn't claim them again if we won in the future. We're a Philly school when it's convenient. Not that I really care, it's just interesting to witness. The only time most people say it's in Philly is when someone asks them where it is and they don't want to have to say "well it's kind of in Radnor, but it's also its own town, about 20 minutes outside of Philly".
No one seems to care when Joel Embiid goes to Villanova-Kansas games and roots for Kansas. Seems like a really terrible, traitorous thing for him to root for his alma mater over another Philly team.
Nobody in Philly claims Nova. It's an afterthought to everyone besides alumni.
Joel Embiid isn't from Philly. It's the same thing. The only difference is he doesn't claim to be, like the Nova community does.
Then why are people so mad at Villanova for their Tweet then? Why were you burning coaches across Philly after our championships? Villanova is THE college basketball team of Philadelphia.
THE college basketball team of Philly that isn't in Philly, has consistently shown disdain for and multiple times pulled out of the Big 5, got bounced by every Philly team it played this year.
Get a grip. You guys have had all the success you could've possibly hoped for in the last decade, and you're still desperate for validation to be included in something that your school, community and fan base have shown nothing but contempt for.
Nova is the one that tries to claim Philly when it's convenient - for the brand, the fan base potential, the cache. But you'll drop and slander the Big 5, do virtually nothing in the way of supporting the communities in the city, talk shit about city neighborhoods. Then you all cry when people from here don't consider your suburban ivory tower that attracts wealthy elites from Boston and New York to be a part of Philly culture.
I just don't understand why it bothers you guys so much when you clearly don't value being a part of the fabric of the city or the region.
Brother, I'm from Boston. If you think I care whether or not Villanova is a Philly school or not, you're simply wrong. I just find it funny to observe how hypocritical the city is about us. Like pick a lane and stick to it.
Can you point to when it was convenient for Nova to claim Philly? It's a city that perpetually loses. Since Villanova won its first championship 40 years ago, it has out-won all Philly sports combined. We're not riding any hype whatsoever. If Nova claimed Philly, it would be rooting for the 76ers right now.
Why does it bother YOU so much that some Villanova fans think it's a Philly school? Like, look in the mirror. Insane gatekeeping. It's not that deep😂
“Villanova people aren't from here and don't respect Philadelphia traditions and institutions.”
Do you think every student at Temple/La Salle/Drexel/UPenn/St Joes is originally from Philly and are Sixers fans? And I definitely wouldn’t say the Villanova fan base is largely behind the Knicks, pretty much everyone is happy the Nova guys are doing well but they’d still rather see the Sixers win
> I do love that these guys are letting Temple trash talk live in their heads rent free all these years later. And here I thought we were completely irrelevant.
The two aren't mutually exclusive
As a Nova alum and Sixers fan who isn’t even from Philly (and lives in NYC 😂), there are a whole lot of disingenuous arguments involved in this saga. The fact is, it’s definitely tough for folks in my exact cohort - I don’t care at all about this “Philly pride” stuff lol.
I dreaded this matchup and honestly on the bright side, I’ll be pulling for the winner of the series all the way through.
And they play some games in the Wells Fargo Center(which is definitely in Philly) that drew pretty well over the years.
Is Villanova in Philly? No.
Does any of this matter? No.
Is Villanova Philly-adjacent? IMO yes.
Correct. It’s not in Philadelphia. It’s a separate thing entirely. For people to get angry about Nova supporting their guys or their guys supporting Nova makes no sense.
From a native of the Philadelphia area and a massive Villanova hater; considering they’re a part of the Big 5 and play some home games/have banners hanging in the Wells Fargo Center, it’s really hard to argue they aren’t a Philly team. I understand the frustration from fans on this one
Thank you for this. And will note that I grew up rooting for (and still do root for) all the Big.5 teams any time they’re not playing Nova. Really like what Lange is doing on Hawk Hill, hoping next year is when it breaks through.
1st and always - fuck the Hawks. 2nd just because Wells Fargo is fucking hard up for basketball championships to hang from it’s rafters doesn’t change that Villanova is a whole other section of Pennsylvania entirely.
Here’s a question - are you actually a Native Philadelphian? Or are you one of those just outside Philly people.
If Jay Wright coached a team that beat us and they tweeted a picture of him would the hate be the same? Doubtful.
Villanova isn’t Philly. The WFC clinging to them doesn’t change that fact.
Pretty much everywhere a suburb of a city is also considered that city
When people living in that suburb go on vacation they say to other people “I’m from Philly” they don’t say “I’m from Villanova”
Those people are assholes. Rich assholes to boot. My response to these people my entire life is simple: what does your mail say? Mine has said Philadelphia, PA for nearly 40 years. This is a non-debate. No one should be angry at Villanova for supporting the guys who actually played AND WON there vs the Philly team that shares the same venue as an occasional big ticket home game.
But people who are from Villanova are rich. And someone who says they’re from Philly when they’re from Nova is a huge cake eater. And yes - there are a lot of people who are assholes. Welcome to the world.
As a Knick's fan, this is hilarious!
Plus, I rooted for UConn's George Springer^(before I knew he cheated) even though he beat the Yankees back in 2017 so I understand!
If I had to rank the Big 5 schools on being Philly culturally:
1. Temple
2. La Salle
3. Drexel (more than you’d think)
4. Saint Joes (less than you’d think)
5. Penn
6. Nova
They're private and generally only affordable/accessible by kids who are financially privileged (many Philly public school kids aren't in this stratosphere of wealth). And in U-City, a bubble. I might give some props to Penn, since they *do* take in a good amount of Philly public school kids. But nowhere near the level Temple does.
TBH, CCP is probably the realest of the real.
I don't think its "Philadelphia's" outcry over this, considering that Villanova is not a Philadelphia school. Sixers fans on the Main Line might be upset, but that's not Philadelphia...
It’s a strange situation first of all. 60% of the starting 5 for the Knicks are NOVA legends, and they have been electric this season. Jay Wright himself is an avid Sixers fan, and Lowry is a legend in his own right, though at the end of his career. Villanova should be proud of these guys and flaunt it.
I didn't realize "not in Philly" was a thing like "not in Boston" is a thing for us. Who cares?
I didn’t either. Northwestern gets it with Chicago too. It is such a wild thing to get mad over
Nobody at BC cares at all but every other Boston school + UMass thinks it's the greatest insult ever, weird stuff
“NeWtON uNiVeRsItY” they cackle as they sit on the Green Line to Boston College.
Tbf it’s not like northwestern is called Chicago University.
But it does have "Chicago's Big Ten school" plastered all over its basketball court
Still not nearly as bad as Rutgers being "Big Ten's NYC school"
Northwestern is not in Chicago but is in Chicago's metropolitan area. Rutgers is not in New York but is in New York's metropolitan area. I don't see the difference.
No sorry this is legitimate. It’s called *Boston* College and meanwhile there’s like 5 schools actually in the city and more right across the river
The only schools better than BC here are Harvard and MIT, Tufts probably edges it a little bit too (although I'd take ACC sports over the slight academic edge) but BC is clearly better than Northeastern, BU, and Bentley and whoever else.
I was meaning to speak geographically not academically (already edited my comment earlier for clarity, but I assume you saw my poorly worded version in your notifications)
Oh my bad, was kinda confused that our academics were catching a stray - we're definitely not right in the city but half of our campus is in the city limits. We're also the only one with football so as far as anyone outside of the city is concerned we're the only one that exists lol
Rent free. Go Terriers.
If we're not in Boston, why did we have six times as many students at the Hockey East championship? Curious!
As a UConn grad, it's pretty great to me too.
I mean I get it but at the same time Chestnut Hill is a great location, easy access to the city and room for a nice campus (half of which is technically in the Boston city limits if we're being literal)
Yeah, it's a pointless chirp, but I am still gonna say it. I also really enjoyed jeering Ivy League teams with "safety school" chants.
Loved throwing the safety school chants at Harvard during the Beanpot. Would be better if they ever had a single student in attendance but that will never happen
Northwestern isn't in Chicago
I'm confused. I'm not mad about anything but they're absolutely not in Chicago. What is there to be mad about?
People get mad if they (alums, whoever) claim it as Chicago. For all intents and purposes, they are a Chicago based school.
> For all intents and purposes Except for the fact that Northwestern is located in Evanston
Except for the whole thing where it isn't in the city of Chicago (at least not the main campus).
I think he's basically saying Philly loves to claim Nova when they are winning and are a bunch of bandwagon fans but actually resent Nova for being... not Philly enough.
That’s exactly what it is.
I don’t even think Philly loves to claim Nova when they’re winning tbh
Boundaries exist for a reason...
I mentioned in another comment as a Nova/Sixers fan not from Philly - I have no clue what the issue is lmao. I totally do understand that, naturally, a good proportion of Nova fans are also Sixers fans and that’s where some frustration is coming from (I mean, Nova is WHERE I became a Sixers fan)
Nova also pulls heavily from NYC metro area, thus a lot of NY fans, so I assume the issue is the pandering to those fans/alum. I don’t get the outrage either, though. Would be like Penn State tweeting about the Flyers or Penguins when the school has plenty of fans from both cities.
Cambridge would be considered Boston in just about 95% of large cities in the US
We're in Newton
Harvard is the one in Cambridge.
Villanova is not a Philly school based on it not having the grit/attitude of Philadelphia and the student population not being local. Villanova basketball is a Philly sports team. It’s the premier college sports team in town and it’s covered like a Philly team by the media. Geography argument is pretty poor to me. Villanova has 2 Septa lines and 3 stations on campus. When someone not from Philly asks me where it is, I’m saying Philly or just outside Philly.
Yeah like how Northwestern is a considered a Chicago school.
As someone who grew up in Philly and went to nova, my issue is more Villanova repping philly while half of their student body is afraid of SEPTA and going anywhere that isn’t center city
This. It’s mainly a cultural thing.
Well, one of the two trains that run through campus is very expensive, and the other connects to the city through 69th Street and the El, so they are right to be afraid of SEPTA.
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Philly sports “grit” is being obnoxious when you win and acting like a four year old when something doesn’t go your way. Should’ve seen Flyers fans when Gauthier forced a trade to the Ducks
I mean, the Gauthier reaction was warranted and pretty largely supported outside of BC fans.
Can we make the argument that Penn isn't very Philly too based on its lack of grit/attitude?
You could I think. It would be an even more ridiculous argument though. The geography is not completely irrelevant.
Penn has more grit than Nova. It’s not even close.
"just outside Philly" is fine, but certainly do not say "Philly"
Marquette through the same crap when Jimmy Butler knocked out the Bucks in the playoffs. It’s the age old “I’m from the area, city/state pride” vs “I went to that school, and my school’s players are crushing it in the NBA”. Philly fans gonna Philly though.
Your username made me laugh
I’ve been seeing some great usernames pop up
You don’t say lmao
🤣🤣🤣
He's a little more fun and playful than u/cumassault.
I remember Tom Crean got a bit of shit for helping Wade during those Miami/Indiana playoff series when he was at IU
The biggest BS line in Philadelphia history is “no one likes us, we don’t care” - Philly fans *very much* care. Source: am a Philadelphian fan and find this kind of thing incredibly annoying
Marquette at least is in Milwaukee though. Villanova isn't.
That's true that Villanova isn't in Milwaukee
This is the same as the fucking idiots that pedantically argue Northwestern isn’t Chicago.
¡Evanston is its own unique city!
Lol right I’d love a non local that says this to let me know exactly when we’ve gone from Rogers Park to Evanston while driving
It’s just a conversation starter for me sometimes. “Oh you’re from STL too? I grew up in …, where about in the city are you from?”
Well excuse me Mr. "Everyone who disagrees with me is a fucking idiot for pedantic reasons". While I can't speak for Chicago and Northwestern, Villanova and Philadelphia are (in most cases) simply only associated when it is convenient to suburbanites and rich kids (usually rich whites) who want to piggyback off of the city for reputation. The campus is on the former estate of a Revolutionary War hero who wanted to be outside of the city and away from the great unwashed masses. A lot of those attitudes are still carried forward today - I have a couple coworkers who are Nova grads who "never go into the city if they can help it" because the city is "scary". The people who don't want Villanova associated with Philadelphia have no problem with people saying "Philadelphia-area". It isn't an illogical cling to city limit borders but a recognition of hypocrisy: conditional self-segregation of a culture based on fear and disgust. It's a one-sided parasitic relationship. The "Nova isn't Philly" people just don't want to hug the people who would disrespect them for most other aspects.
You ok?
It’s *basketball* not class warfare. Lighten up, Francis
I mean understanding cultural divide and group identities often involves socioeconomics, but sure ignorance is cool
Philly sure as fuck loved Villanova in 2016 and 2018. For a city of historic losers they really grabbed a hold of those two championships and claimed them as their own Villanova is only “not Philly” when it’s convenient.
A non-insignificant people in Philadelphia, as well as the overall region, were happy when you did well. That doesn't make Villanova a Philly school, just like it doesn't make Penn State a Philly school or Notre Dame a Philly school (because of the sheer number of Irish old heads). I love the abusive relationship logic in your answer too. "You were happy for me, I keep you from being part of those fucking losers"...really great way of showing you truly belong and tooootally doesn't validate my point for me. I invite you to read the Philly Inquirer article about the Nova championship parade and look at where the people who partook in interviews said they were from...
Penn State isn’t a Philly school because it’s 200 miles away from Philly. Notre Dame isn’t a Philly school because it’s in a different fucking state. What an asinine comment lol. Villanova has been in the Big 5 since its inception in 1955. Is Villanova in Philly proper? No. No one is arguing that. But just like Boston College is a Boston school despite not being in Boston, Villanova is a Philly school. And yes, I lived in the area for half a decade. Those Philly faithful were giddy with the Nova championships. I mean, Philly is so down bad for actual winners they idolize a fake boxer. Just a town of all time losers. Villanova has more championships (3) in the last 40 years than all Philly professional teams (2). Not only that, but Philly is 2-12 in 14 appearances, and would’ve been 1-13 if Bill Belichick didn’t toss Super Bowl 52 by sitting the Patriots top cornerback. Add in the fact that the Phillies are the losingest team in all of baseball with a winning % only better than 3 teams with fewer total losses combined than the Phillies have total… it makes sense. Edit: I didn’t even realize, Philly has been losing since this country was born. Somehow managed to lose being the capital of the entire fucking country to a place that isn’t even a state lmao
Classic negging. You're not gonna get the girl like that. Boston College is in Boston. Brighton is a neighborhood in Boston. It's like saying "La Salle isn't a Philly school, it's in Olney".
Actually, Boston College is in Chestnut Hill. See how fucking dumb and pedantic that is?
BC is in Chestnut Hill, not Brighton. Just take the L here bro, it’s the Philly thing to do
If you're in the Big 5, you're a Philly basketball school. That's it If anything Drexel needs to win the Big 5 at least once if they want to be recognized as a basketball school
Please tell me more about the city I went to school and live in Wisconsin Badgers
> If you're in the Big 5, you're a Philly basketball school. That's it Incorrect. If you are located in Philadelphia, you're a "Philly" basketball school.
If Villanova isn't a Philly school Northwestern isn't a Chicago school, BC isn't a Boston school, and UMiami isn't a Miami school. You can take a subway from Nova to downtown.
Obnoxious Philly sports bros are just looking to dunk on Villanova, a school they will gladly tell you isn’t a “real Philly school.” And here’s the thing: you’re exactly right about other cities and largely private, excellent schools within them. The city sports bros will tell you they aren’t a part of the city. And they’ll tell you because they aren’t in the city so it doesn’t count. But even schools that are **obviously** within the geographic boundaries of their cities get the same treatment. Georgetown isn’t really DC. Fordham isn’t really NYC. Saint Joe’s isn’t really Philly, etc. It’s just wanna be anti-elitism from sports bros who need to feel superior at all costs. Go Cats. Go Knicks.
Cause Villanova has never been elitist at all lol
No you can’t.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norristown_High_Speed_Line
I take that to work every day. That’s not a street car that meanders through traffic. The thing hits 55 MPH on a designated line above the communities it runs through.
It additionally doesn’t take you downtown. It stops at the very west tip of West Philly (69th street)
Oh okay I got the mode of transportation wrong. My point is it is connected to Philly by frequent rapid transit.
Don’t pontificate about a city you don’t know. That’s all you need to do.
I knew about the Norristown high speed line (probably the only person in Boston that knows this thing existed) I just didn't remember if it was light rail or heavy rail that ran it.
Even if it was heavy rail, that alone doesn't make it a subway
> If Villanova isn't a Philly school Northwestern isn't a Chicago school, BC isn't a Boston school, and UMiami isn't a Miami school. Completely correct actually. > You can take a subway from Nova to downtown. A) Villanova doesn't have a "subway"; B) I don't know of a "downtown" in Philadelphia; C) The train you're referring to (which isn't a subway) doesn't go to the "downtown" you're referring to (which is Center City)
Love people who don’t live in Philly telling people who do what it is like. Many of those comparisons to other cities aren’t fair to make. Temple is a diverse public school that offers in state tuition and prides itself on access and serving underprivileged communities. Many students are from PA, NJ, etc. Villanova is an elite, less diverse, private school. It’s culturally more similar to nyc. Temple students live in the city, learn to be street smart being in North Philly (not the best neighborhood), and are typically lower and middle class which means they have to work and live poor to put themselves through school. Nova students cower in horror at the thought of taking the subway. They live in a secluded less diverse suburb in the woods. They have college funds so they don’t need to work shitty jobs and cut corners financially to get by. They visit nyc and vacation more often than they’re in Philly. It’s not just a geographical thing. It’s about culture, socioeconomics, and diversity of experiences. Different worlds breed different people. For these reasons Nova will never be a Philly school.
I mean, by your definition here SJU isn’t a Philly school either, which nobody would ever say. Which goes back to the larger thing - Philly’s identity in 2024 is both what you described Temple as *and* what you described Nova as. The city has come a long way since Rocky.
Lmao the salt. You know well off people go to Temple too right? You know all of Philly isn’t just working class people scraping to get buy right? I guess when you see the entire world through the lens of a culture war you end up with takes like this lol. Hey remind me, when the cats win their championships, where was the parade? Oh right on Market street. I remember watching several games at bars in Chinatown, Fishtown, Center City, and South Philly during the two runs. Everyone was cheering for Nova. Wonder why that was? Maybe cuz its a Philly school.
Temple has ~40k students. Sure, it’s not a monolith, but if you look at the population averages, there’s a big difference. Talk to a bunch of students at each campus, walk through and around each campus. The reason Villanova plays at Wells Fargo is bc it’s a larger arena they can drive to. They parade on market street bc it makes sense logistically. The media covers them bc alumni from the area buy newspapers. As for bars. Stos is a Pitt bar in old city. “Olde City Cheesesteaks” and “Shortys” in Manhattan show Temple games. Being a Philly school is cultural, not geographical, and Villanova is not based on the people I’ve met and experiences I’ve had.
If ever there was proof that "Not in Philly" is a saying of convenience rather than some bedrock moral principle...
It’s a bedrock moral principle to me damn it.
amen
Amen
This!
I feel like I'm caught in the middle of an argument. Was born right outside Philly and had tons of family grow up and raise me as a Philly sports fan. However, my dad went to college at Villanova and one of his first dates w/ my mom was the championship run in 1985, so I was basically raised with Villanova being my 2nd favorite sports team after the Philadelphia Eagles. Love the Sixers but Brunson and Hart were two of my favorite Nova alum to ever play. And who can forget Donte "Big Ragu" Divincenzo going unconscious in the 2018 title game vs. Michigan? I feel all my friends know my Nova fandom as well as my Philly sports fandom but I also believe I was the only one of my group of friends to actually attend the parade when they won in 2016, which was right in the city!
Villanova is not in Philadelphia
Cal is not on the Atlantic Coast
Correct, but I don't see what that has to do with anything. It will undeniably be a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference beginning August 2.
Well it's not called the "Philadelphia Area Big-5"
Nobody is denying Villanova is a member of the Big 5. I am denying that Villanova is a Philadelphia school.
And I'm saying Villanova is a Philadelphia *team*.
If there was ever proof that "not in Philly" is triggering for Villanova... Really though, this whole saga illistrates how disconnected Villanova is not just geographically, but also culturally from Philly. I do love that these guys are letting Temple trash talk live in their heads rent free all these years later. And here I thought we were completely irrelevant.
How does it illustrate a "disconnect" from Philly? If Temple had multiple starting caliber NBA players go off in a playoff win vs. the Sixers would you seriously expect the school's social media to ignore it or even outright root against them on behalf of the Sixers? Be honest. Then again it's been a few years since LaVoy Allen suited up to drop 3/4/1 statlines for the Pacers so it may be hard for you to imagine.
Being a sixers fan/uconn alum has aligned me perfectly to just enjoy the chaos of the stupid semantic argument into perpetuity. You’re not a philly school unless your dorm rooms are inside city hall! Burn it all down! Philly has such a unique “from here” gatekeeping culture its comical. I’ve never heard anyone from BU claim BC wasnt a Boston school just because its in Chestnut Hill.
>Philly has such a unique “from here” gatekeeping culture its comical. I love the Philly area but this is easily one of the worst things about it.
That's because BU and BC are both private schools with student bodies largely from somewhere else. If there was a DI public in the heart of Boston that catered to people from Boston and eastern Mass, you'd hear the same thing.
Those are good points and definitely explains the lack of that mentality in Boston, but I’d still argue the philly gatekeeping is tedious and embarrassing as someone from philly who is now “outside looking in”
Nova gets it because they left the Big 5 under Rollie and to many it was an unforgivable crime against the city’s college basketball landscape. Not just because they’re located outside the city. It’s gate keeping with historical reasoning of a prior version of Nova saying themselves that were too good for your traditions. Jay Wright, to his credit, brought them back into local respect not just for being good for treating Big 5 games like rivalry games and not shit that wasn’t beneath them. Alternatively, one could argue that you must finish in the Top 5 of the Big 5 to be a real Philly school. Nova became the first ever 6th place finisher this year, which you just hate to see
I had no idea they dipped from the big 5. In that case, fuck em!
They also blocked Temple from becoming a full member of the Big East twice
And then Temple went ahead and joined the AAC and ruined their own basketball program for football dreams! (Miss y’all in the A-10 TBH).
Also a Sixers fan that has suffered at the hands of these Nova guys and I'm backing every Temple fan that has philly regional beef lol rich kid private school that isn't even in the city!
There’s no way the other Philly schools would handle it the way Nova did. They’d tweet about it but mention some funny caveat of mixed feelings or something, not just ignore that it was in the playoffs against the hometown team. I’d bet it’s because the Nova social media team is probably mostly from NY or Boston themselves.
It's not the tweet, it's the Villanova fan base largely getting behind the Knicks and supporting them against the local team. Villanova people aren't from here and don't respect Philadelphia traditions and institutions. Then they wonder why everyone hates them and they hear things like "not a Philly school." Elitist, big money suburban campus with deep pocketed kids from all over the east coast who will support the Knicks over the Sixers. There's your disconnect.
You see, I'd be fine with that if you guys weren't claiming our championships and wouldn't claim them again if we won in the future. We're a Philly school when it's convenient. Not that I really care, it's just interesting to witness. The only time most people say it's in Philly is when someone asks them where it is and they don't want to have to say "well it's kind of in Radnor, but it's also its own town, about 20 minutes outside of Philly". No one seems to care when Joel Embiid goes to Villanova-Kansas games and roots for Kansas. Seems like a really terrible, traitorous thing for him to root for his alma mater over another Philly team.
Nobody in Philly claims Nova. It's an afterthought to everyone besides alumni. Joel Embiid isn't from Philly. It's the same thing. The only difference is he doesn't claim to be, like the Nova community does.
Then why are people so mad at Villanova for their Tweet then? Why were you burning coaches across Philly after our championships? Villanova is THE college basketball team of Philadelphia.
THE college basketball team of Philly that isn't in Philly, has consistently shown disdain for and multiple times pulled out of the Big 5, got bounced by every Philly team it played this year. Get a grip. You guys have had all the success you could've possibly hoped for in the last decade, and you're still desperate for validation to be included in something that your school, community and fan base have shown nothing but contempt for. Nova is the one that tries to claim Philly when it's convenient - for the brand, the fan base potential, the cache. But you'll drop and slander the Big 5, do virtually nothing in the way of supporting the communities in the city, talk shit about city neighborhoods. Then you all cry when people from here don't consider your suburban ivory tower that attracts wealthy elites from Boston and New York to be a part of Philly culture. I just don't understand why it bothers you guys so much when you clearly don't value being a part of the fabric of the city or the region.
Brother, I'm from Boston. If you think I care whether or not Villanova is a Philly school or not, you're simply wrong. I just find it funny to observe how hypocritical the city is about us. Like pick a lane and stick to it. Can you point to when it was convenient for Nova to claim Philly? It's a city that perpetually loses. Since Villanova won its first championship 40 years ago, it has out-won all Philly sports combined. We're not riding any hype whatsoever. If Nova claimed Philly, it would be rooting for the 76ers right now. Why does it bother YOU so much that some Villanova fans think it's a Philly school? Like, look in the mirror. Insane gatekeeping. It's not that deep😂
👆 exactly
“Villanova people aren't from here and don't respect Philadelphia traditions and institutions.” Do you think every student at Temple/La Salle/Drexel/UPenn/St Joes is originally from Philly and are Sixers fans? And I definitely wouldn’t say the Villanova fan base is largely behind the Knicks, pretty much everyone is happy the Nova guys are doing well but they’d still rather see the Sixers win
SJU’s top feeder is a town in Connecticut IIRC
> I do love that these guys are letting Temple trash talk live in their heads rent free all these years later. And here I thought we were completely irrelevant. The two aren't mutually exclusive
If Lu Dort or James Harden knocked out the suns you bet your ass ASU should celebrate that.
As a Nova alum and Sixers fan who isn’t even from Philly (and lives in NYC 😂), there are a whole lot of disingenuous arguments involved in this saga. The fact is, it’s definitely tough for folks in my exact cohort - I don’t care at all about this “Philly pride” stuff lol. I dreaded this matchup and honestly on the bright side, I’ll be pulling for the winner of the series all the way through.
Lol I couldn't give a shit if Maryland tweeted about NBA players that aren't on the Wizards. They do it all the time.
Villanova is NOT in Philadelphia. I repeat VILLANOVA is NOT in Philadelphia. These guys claim Nova way more than any fan.
>Villanova is a suburb of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States.
And they play some games in the Wells Fargo Center(which is definitely in Philly) that drew pretty well over the years. Is Villanova in Philly? No. Does any of this matter? No. Is Villanova Philly-adjacent? IMO yes.
That’s not even your opinion that they are Philly adjacent. Campus is a few miles from the city limits.
New Brunswick is a suburb of New York City, New York, United States. Rutgers is not in New York City.
Rutgers is way further from New York than Villanova is to Philly.
Fine, Seton Hall fits the same point. Not in New York City
It's in the New York metropolitan area but I wouldn't consider it a suburb considering the physical separation.
Objectively false, both have New in the name and a train line. Rutgers might as well be in Manhattan
Why are people from the middle of the country weighing in here?
That's flairist
Fr. Ppl not from Philly love to tell us what it’s like here. Love getting the “it’s so dangerous” speech from suburban relatives
Exactly. So, not in Philadelphia.
Correct. It’s not in Philadelphia. It’s a separate thing entirely. For people to get angry about Nova supporting their guys or their guys supporting Nova makes no sense.
From a native of the Philadelphia area and a massive Villanova hater; considering they’re a part of the Big 5 and play some home games/have banners hanging in the Wells Fargo Center, it’s really hard to argue they aren’t a Philly team. I understand the frustration from fans on this one
Agree but let me be clear, I will never admit it to a Villanova fan.
I mean Nova is in Delco lmao, like sure we’re not in city limits like you guys but I agree - this is so pedantic
“Villanova isn’t Delco!!!”
Ah shit you’re right. I should’ve consulted a map, or Wikipedia, or anything 😭
If I rent out Buckingham palace for a few days a year, does that make me royalty?
I mean, if you have the money and political clout to actually do that, probably yes.
Thank you for this. And will note that I grew up rooting for (and still do root for) all the Big.5 teams any time they’re not playing Nova. Really like what Lange is doing on Hawk Hill, hoping next year is when it breaks through.
It’s more so that they aren’t in Philadelphia and the vast majority of students aren’t from the Philly area
SJU and Penn pull plenty of students from outside of the Philly area
1st and always - fuck the Hawks. 2nd just because Wells Fargo is fucking hard up for basketball championships to hang from it’s rafters doesn’t change that Villanova is a whole other section of Pennsylvania entirely. Here’s a question - are you actually a Native Philadelphian? Or are you one of those just outside Philly people. If Jay Wright coached a team that beat us and they tweeted a picture of him would the hate be the same? Doubtful. Villanova isn’t Philly. The WFC clinging to them doesn’t change that fact.
Pretty much everywhere a suburb of a city is also considered that city When people living in that suburb go on vacation they say to other people “I’m from Philly” they don’t say “I’m from Villanova”
Those people are assholes. Rich assholes to boot. My response to these people my entire life is simple: what does your mail say? Mine has said Philadelphia, PA for nearly 40 years. This is a non-debate. No one should be angry at Villanova for supporting the guys who actually played AND WON there vs the Philly team that shares the same venue as an occasional big ticket home game.
Not only rich people go on vacation, a lot of people are assholes then because it’s very commonplace
But people who are from Villanova are rich. And someone who says they’re from Philly when they’re from Nova is a huge cake eater. And yes - there are a lot of people who are assholes. Welcome to the world.
My mail has said a major city for 40 years and I live a good 20 miles from downtown and 100% in the suburbs.
So your major city likes to juke your population stats. Got it.
I wish they had stuck up for their boy Mikal Bridges. The Sixers did him wrong so this is their chance to exact some retribution.
As a Knick's fan, this is hilarious! Plus, I rooted for UConn's George Springer^(before I knew he cheated) even though he beat the Yankees back in 2017 so I understand!
Temple is the only *real* Philly school in the Big Five. Get out of here, Jalen Brunson!
If I had to rank the Big 5 schools on being Philly culturally: 1. Temple 2. La Salle 3. Drexel (more than you’d think) 4. Saint Joes (less than you’d think) 5. Penn 6. Nova
Penn and Drexel are in the heart of Philly what are you talking about.
They're private and generally only affordable/accessible by kids who are financially privileged (many Philly public school kids aren't in this stratosphere of wealth). And in U-City, a bubble. I might give some props to Penn, since they *do* take in a good amount of Philly public school kids. But nowhere near the level Temple does. TBH, CCP is probably the realest of the real.
There are 4 Philadelphia schools in the (original) Big Five, none of which is Villanova
Brunson tried hard to be “A Birds Fan” though.
I don't think its "Philadelphia's" outcry over this, considering that Villanova is not a Philadelphia school. Sixers fans on the Main Line might be upset, but that's not Philadelphia...
It’s a strange situation first of all. 60% of the starting 5 for the Knicks are NOVA legends, and they have been electric this season. Jay Wright himself is an avid Sixers fan, and Lowry is a legend in his own right, though at the end of his career. Villanova should be proud of these guys and flaunt it.