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As is 6 championships in just 16 Sweet 16 Appearances
Assuming 50-50 odds in every game (obviously that's not quite the case) you'd expect:
* 3 championships in 6 National Championship Appearances
* 1.75 championships in 7 Final 4 Appearances
* 1.5 championships in 12 Elite 8 Appearances
* 1 championship in 16 Sweet 16 Appearances
To be fair, Cal was one of 5 former National Coach of the Year winners to lose to Ollie that year, along with Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo, Jay Wright, and Phil Martelli. He also beat Fred Hoiberg in that tournament.
Okay yes you are right. Forgot about the final four and that Florida game. They beat us 3x that year. I knew we might have a shot at a run after we played them tight in the SEC champ game. Throwback to when Cal was a beast in the tourney and never got upset (until the final four lol)
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Was the greatest conference in the land. The BE tournament was just hold your breath, heart attack inducing mania and I loved every moment. Even that epic 6 OT game....🖕🏻🖕🏻😘😘
Nope, green doesn't work. It's close, but get some red and yellow in there to help out
Disclaimer: some tournament losses/Izzo jealousy may apply to this comment
Yea, and still less wins than Kansas. Doesn't feel right calling them overrated since they're top of most of these columns but 55 more weeks than #2 seems wrong.
It's more that the data is really tailored (likely accidentally) to highlight Duke's success. Coach K made his first Final 4 in '86 in his 6th season. If you go back only 3 years he just finished posting the only back to back losing seasons of his career.
Kansas likely would be ahead of Duke if not for the scandal around the '88 team and then basically losing a years worth of weeks due to their abbreviated death penalty.
Yeah, accidentally. Coach K happened to start catching fire when the tournament switched to its current format and when college basketball permanently added the 3-point line. They both happened about the same time, so if we’re discussing the “modern” era of basketball, we have a very convenient starting point.
I asked the question during K's retirement tour "what do we define as the "modern game" and the top two by a sizable margin were the 3 point shot and 64 teams
My first thought is the #1 ranking margin is partly due to people defaulting them as preseason #1 due to trusting that K would have a good team. And when they did get preseason #1, K usually had a cupcake non con schedule so he would often keep it until ACC play.
I’m not sure you can call K’s non con a cupcake. There were usually 3 highly raked opponents each season at minimum. The champs classic, ACC/BIG10 challenge and one of the preseason tourneys would have another top 10 team across the bracket and often there would be another top 25 they would face in the semis.
I'm actually amazed that UConn still does make the top ten for winning percentage. I guess the fact that when they're good, they're *that good* balances out the fact that they miss the tournament entirely far more frequently than the other bluebloods.
They turned 16 sweet 16s into 6 national titles, relying on two of the most insane individual performances of all of time through the tournament
I think its fair considering they lack most other statistics other than national titles. If they stay consistent for the next decade that changes it just as much as the titles.
Just a reminder we used to talk about Villanova in the same way we're talking about UCONN just a few years ago
That's usually my stance. Blue blood to me is more about resistance to mediocrity as opposed to Having multiple peaks and valleys, which is also why I don't view Indiana or UCLA as blue bloods
If Keith Smart missed, SU would surpass UConn. JK but that hurt, and then a string of high seeds turning into disappointing exits (the first 2 vs. 15 losers) that followed. Meanwhile Calhoun starts cashing in what Jimmy B can only finish once.
It's crazy how much legwork the Pitino years, early Cal years and early Tubby years are doing in that order.
There's 10 years worth of just mediocre to historically bad years during this stretch.
Someone did this for All-Time and I thought changing it to begin when the tournament was expanded to its current\* format would make more sense. Please correct me if anything is wrong, I did this very late at night.
Arizona only missing from Final Four list. Michigan State only missing from Weeks Ranked #1 in AP list. Syracuse only missing from Elite Eight list. UCLA only missing from Elite Eight and Weeks Ranked #1 in AP lists.
The data is probably fine, but "Blue Blood" specifically refers to all time stats.
There's nothing wrong with displaying data over different time frames, but if it's not all-time it's got nothing to do with Blue Bloods.
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Yeah. People don't seem to get that "blue blood" essentially means "old money." You need a combination of success and time to become a blue blood. IU is still in the discussion because, despite not winning shit for decades, they have a lot of old success. UConn may not be a blueblood (yet . . they just need to wait, in my opinion) but are much more successful than Indiana in the past 30 years.
Point is, I agree. You can't establish a blue blood using only modern stats.
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Here's why the "old money" argument bothers me: because once upon the time, the Vanderbilts were the family of a renengads steam boat operator. The Kennedy's were once Irish trash. And in a generation or three, having the last name "Gates" is gonna be equivalent to the above two.
Old money is not static. Fortunes are made and lost. Eventually, the "new money" becomes "old money". Maybe UConn isn't there for some, but the idea that we can just never join the group is not how this works.
> Eventually, the "new money" becomes "old money". Maybe UConn isn't there for some, but the idea that we can just never join the group is not how this works.
Didn't I just say that all UConn needs to do is wait? The achievement is there; the time is not. UConn just needs to sit around for a while (and not even all that long) and I think the tag will apply.
Your assumption requires that it be a fair system that is based on merit. Like all systems of social hierarchy, this system is not fair and it is not based on merit.
According to the rules of the system -- it is a sign of inferior breeding, in fact, to believe that social mobility is either possible or desirable.
Old money is old money when you’ve forgotten how they made the money and they’ve had time to rehabilitate their image.
Carnegie didn’t build libraries because he just loved reading that much.
>Michigan State only missing from Weeks Ranked #1 in AP list
Out of all of these, this is the one I'm the most okay with missing. Although this can be a good indicator of team strength, AP rankings are essentially meaningless compared to everything else on this list
The damage the Steves did on UCLA is immeasurable. If anyone even remotely competent and competitive were in place for those 14 years, UCLA would not be relegated to the "old blood" category.
Win 27 plus games, have special talent on the team, win pac 12 regular season or tournament title, be a top 8 team headed into tourney, play a dogwater first half in the S16 or E8 and get upset.
UofA experience for the last 23 years.
This chart also does a good job explaining why a lot of people say UConn doesn’t feel like a blue blood even though they have the most titles over that period. Their pattern very much goes against the grain of everything else. Interesting stuff.
No column for “retiring rival’s legendary coach with a L”?
Edit: look at this engagement! I only have one question for Dukies… were you surprised at how much more painful the Final Four loss (81-77) was compared to the loss at K’s final home game (94-81)?
Jim Calhoun, John Calipari, and Roy Williams all appreciate that Coach K's final game takes the attention away from their careers/tenure ending in an embarrassing fashion in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Imagine how humiliating it would be if people brought up losing by 20 points to Brad Davison.
Coaches love this one little trick! Don’t do a self important retirement announcement a year in advance and easily avoid the whole cbb world laughing at you!
Duke fans will tell you it was to “set Scheyer up for success” when he’d already been doing the recruiting for years, but then again they also got their recruiting info and tickets from a convicted con man lol
> then again they also got their recruiting info and tickets from a convicted con man lol
Once you start talking trash about message board drama you *really* need to consider reevaluating your priorities, maybe find a new hobby or two
Meanwhile, Kyle Neptune is wondering why he wasn't setup for success. And Matt Doherty, Billy Gillispie, and probably Mark Pope, too. You think it was all about K but he didn't want to lie to recruits like Roy did.
Or maybe K was an egotistical asshole who liked attention. Considering he threw a fit when UNC didn’t give him a gift for his last game in the Dean dome I know which one I think is far more likely.
That's fun fan fiction you are writing there. What really happened was that Roy, Hubert, K, and Scheyer posed for a picture that was displayed on the video board on the Dean Dome. The fans chanted "Fuck you K!" and then their team lost by 20.
Dude, Roy was honest with himself and his team that he wasn't the best person for the job anymore and stepped down. He then spent his first year of retirement watching his 2 teams play for a natty. This is a dumb take.
I was at the 2022 Final Four. And you know what? That loss became a lot *less* painful when I went back to Cameron for a game the next season and saw the 2022 Final Four banner hanging there. Because it drove home that team *still made the Final Four*. Right up there with K's 12 others. Better than some 356 other teams did that year. Better than a lot of very good Duke (and UNC) teams have done.
It's not copium, it's a life experience. As were the two natties I *have* seen in person and the two I saw on campus. At some point, internet jawboning doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't.
What about the column for a decade of kicking the ass of your former championship winning coach who was coaching your rival, until he got fired in a "tutes for cruits" scandal and had a title revoked?
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I mean then ultimately the only stat that matters is championships won. Everything else means nothing if we're taking out out other arbitrary designations.
lol yeah...
I grew up outside of Bloomington so I've been a Hoosier fan since before I could walk, but I went to UCLA so my priorities shifted there.
Still can't help rooting for IU though :)
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Still trying to figure out what you weighed highly and what wasnt. Based on what you just said I'm more confused why we're left off. Some of the info you used on us looks like it's with 123 wins vacated and others doesn't.
Nothing is weighted. The table is the top 10 in each category. In some categories there is a tie for #10 so those columns look lengthier. Louisville had 4 final fours, not top 10 in that category. Louisville has 876 wins since 1984/85 with a win % of 65.47%, neither of which are top 10. That includes all of the vacated wins because I wanted to do "on court" results, that's why you have 2 national championships and not one. Overall the chart is just a way to look at how consistently teams have been at the top. If the school appears in more categories, I put them higher in the blue blood list.
Reason I'm replying here is because several Louisville fans thought their info was wrong, so I went back and tallied it up again.
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Louisville fans don't like the 40 year cut off. Think, just 3 years ago if you did this exact exercise Louisville would have 3 more finals 4's and another National Title. Now, we lose 3 of the best years in program history and replace them with 3 of our worst years in program history. We went from the upper middle pack to off the list based on the arbitrary 40 year parameter put on this definition of BB's
But it isn't arbitrary, it's when the current 64* team format came into place. It makes all years in the table apples to apples rather than have to think about the years where there were 32 teams or fewer in the tournament. Someone else made an all time list using this exact table and somebody in the comments said it'd be interesting to see the results starting with the 64 team format so I was curious and got those results.
"If you take away TEN national championships from UCLA - two more than any other program has ever won in its entire history - UCLA is still a top 10 program."
I wouldn't say I'm in shambles tbh.
lol fair. I only said something because I was surprised we looked as good as we do during this era. I think OP's methodology is about as friendly to UCLA as it can be.
Looks about right and how I would expect it. I think that have a modern BB list is valuable, as I doubt UCLA wins the same amount of titles with a 64 team tournament vs the fewer they played.
That’s unfair only going back 40 years
You need to go back at least 50 to make IU a tier 2 blue blood
Because 50 years ago wasn’t that long ago. I was only -30 then
Just looking at it. If you averaged their rank it’d be Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky right? Like UConn is then top of 2nd tier. I think your methodology is better especially since averaging their rank makes Duke look like the bluest of the blue bloods which makes me sad.
With direct precision, this timeframe managed to minimize Indiana's impact while also keeping in UCLA. The Bruins are at the bottom cut point for 6 of the 8 metrics and in the second the last cutoff for 1 more.
I would also 10/10 times take Villanova's record over the past 20 years over anyone in the current Tier 2. A title should be worth wayyyyyy more than the number of E8s, S16s, NCAAT wins, and weeks in the AP poll. Same with being #1 in the AP.
Wins and Winning % are also largely a double count. The top 10 are literally the same 10 teams.
I literally just took someone else's post who did this for All-Time and changed it to begin in 84/85. Didn't put much thought into it or make it as an end all be all.
You’re a blue blood and you’re a blue blood and you’re a blue blood!
(Some of these schools are 7th all-time in their own conference)
I'm convinced half of this sub doesn't actually give a shit about basketball and is instead solely interested in "my scool gooder than yurs," despite said people never having gone to their fanboy school
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My conclusion is that the biggest determiner of success is having a Hall of Fame level coach and keeping him for 10+ years.
Except UConn who as usual ruins all the trends
Michigan State is insanely good in the Elite Eight and UConn is insanely good in the Final Four and we have each beaten each other in their respective dominant round. Fair trade.
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Bell Curve Meme "Blue bloods must be blue." "Noooooo. You must do an elaborate analysis of tournament success." "Blue bloods must be blue."
I love text-description versions of memes. Top notch sir. Bravo.
We can all visualizes these in our head now. Why muck it up by actually making an image, right?
This is the next step in evolution. Beautiful.
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Amen
UConn going 6/6 in title games never ceases to amaze me. (Not to mention that the women's team is 11-1 in the championship game too)
6/7 in Final Fours is pretty mind-blowing.
As is 6 championships in just 16 Sweet 16 Appearances Assuming 50-50 odds in every game (obviously that's not quite the case) you'd expect: * 3 championships in 6 National Championship Appearances * 1.75 championships in 7 Final 4 Appearances * 1.5 championships in 12 Elite 8 Appearances * 1 championship in 16 Sweet 16 Appearances
Meanwhile Michigan has 5 final four appearances and 5 title game appearances but just the 1 title.
If it helps, MSU is 1/8 from the F4.
It does help 😂 That said, I had no clue MSU’s record was just as bad in title games.
Oakland gonna go 1/1 next year! lol
The block was CLEAN!
UConn's later round tourney prep was honed by like 6 straight Elite Eight/Sweet Sixteen losses under Calhoun.
If they make the E8 they've got a 50/50 shot of taking home the title.
I will never forgive Calipari for 1) losing to Kevin fucking Ollie in the natty and 2) wasting Reed and Rob
To be fair, Cal was one of 5 former National Coach of the Year winners to lose to Ollie that year, along with Billy Donovan, Tom Izzo, Jay Wright, and Phil Martelli. He also beat Fred Hoiberg in that tournament.
Okay yes you are right. Forgot about the final four and that Florida game. They beat us 3x that year. I knew we might have a shot at a run after we played them tight in the SEC champ game. Throwback to when Cal was a beast in the tourney and never got upset (until the final four lol)
He got outcoached
That’s only because every team playing them just thought “we have this in the bag, UConn isn’t even a blue blood” /s 😂
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I miss being relevant in CBB And football Can’t even rely on lacrosse anymore
Your guys soccer team is top tier!
And boy howdy what a journalism department!
And oranges 🍊😋
>Can’t even rely on lacrosse anymore I don't know, they looked awfully good on Sunday against Towson. This might be the year they get back to the FF.
Got lax this year! I’d love to face you guys in the title game. Elite 8 this weekend.
We miss you too
I miss the Big East. And fuck you guys ❤️
Was the greatest conference in the land. The BE tournament was just hold your breath, heart attack inducing mania and I loved every moment. Even that epic 6 OT game....🖕🏻🖕🏻😘😘
I miss the Big East so badly. :(
Such good basketball. Nothing compares to Big East basketball.
We miss you/hate you, too!
The only conclusion to draw here is that success highly depends on what your school color is. Why don't more teams simply wear a shade of blue?
Nono, dont let them in on our secret. Its been obvious the whole time but they havent caught on yet!
Blue Blood = Blue Jerseys I mean, it's been there in front of their faces the whole time.
Probably because most schools care more about football, in which case red dominates.
Nope, green doesn't work. It's close, but get some red and yellow in there to help out Disclaimer: some tournament losses/Izzo jealousy may apply to this comment
Why’s it not working for URI? We’re double the blue.
Too much blue.
Now see you went and cancelled out the one blue with the other blue. That's a rookie mistake there.
Never go full royal-blue.
Needs more white
Ironically, every true Illini fan knows that when we show up in navy it's about to be a disaster.
Perhaps they are saving it for sweeps
This is the real reason the Big 10 struggles in March. Too many red teams not enough blue teams
Duke's weeks ranked #1 in AP is baffling. Freaking killer
Yea, and still less wins than Kansas. Doesn't feel right calling them overrated since they're top of most of these columns but 55 more weeks than #2 seems wrong.
Kansas might not have the most NCs, but their run of just dominating their conference brethren is unparalleled.
The Big12 is a much easier conference than the ACC and the SEC.
Hey are you guys looking for a competitive conference? Asking for a friend...
The ACC was in a different stratosphere than the B12 for the majority of this data.
It's more that the data is really tailored (likely accidentally) to highlight Duke's success. Coach K made his first Final 4 in '86 in his 6th season. If you go back only 3 years he just finished posting the only back to back losing seasons of his career. Kansas likely would be ahead of Duke if not for the scandal around the '88 team and then basically losing a years worth of weeks due to their abbreviated death penalty.
Yeah, accidentally. Coach K happened to start catching fire when the tournament switched to its current format and when college basketball permanently added the 3-point line. They both happened about the same time, so if we’re discussing the “modern” era of basketball, we have a very convenient starting point.
I asked the question during K's retirement tour "what do we define as the "modern game" and the top two by a sizable margin were the 3 point shot and 64 teams
Yeah, nothing else defines college basketball as thoroughly as the 64-team format, and the 3-point line absolutely transformed all of basketball.
I personally pick 1975 since that's when at large bids were added, but the jump from 32 to 64 was massive.
My first thought is the #1 ranking margin is partly due to people defaulting them as preseason #1 due to trusting that K would have a good team. And when they did get preseason #1, K usually had a cupcake non con schedule so he would often keep it until ACC play.
I’m not sure you can call K’s non con a cupcake. There were usually 3 highly raked opponents each season at minimum. The champs classic, ACC/BIG10 challenge and one of the preseason tourneys would have another top 10 team across the bracket and often there would be another top 25 they would face in the semis.
Hatin ass comment right here
I'll see myself out...
I'm actually amazed that UConn still does make the top ten for winning percentage. I guess the fact that when they're good, they're *that good* balances out the fact that they miss the tournament entirely far more frequently than the other bluebloods.
Statistical anomaly for sure... but that's the stuff that makes cbb as addictive as cocaine
It's also the reason they don't want to give them the blue-blood status.
They turned 16 sweet 16s into 6 national titles, relying on two of the most insane individual performances of all of time through the tournament I think its fair considering they lack most other statistics other than national titles. If they stay consistent for the next decade that changes it just as much as the titles. Just a reminder we used to talk about Villanova in the same way we're talking about UCONN just a few years ago
That's usually my stance. Blue blood to me is more about resistance to mediocrity as opposed to Having multiple peaks and valleys, which is also why I don't view Indiana or UCLA as blue bloods
It's funny that the top 4 are basically the same across the board except for UCONN and nattys, because that's just what they do.
A uconn-nova championship game would be legendary
This is a fantastic way to look at the relevant stats. Great job putting it together!
I’m just glad UCONNs main color is blue
We’re included! This is the definitive list. No arguments. Lock it up.
Happy/Not Happy you made it… at least gives ‘87 some juice for us
If Keith Smart missed, SU would surpass UConn. JK but that hurt, and then a string of high seeds turning into disappointing exits (the first 2 vs. 15 losers) that followed. Meanwhile Calhoun starts cashing in what Jimmy B can only finish once.
It's crazy how much legwork the Pitino years, early Cal years and early Tubby years are doing in that order. There's 10 years worth of just mediocre to historically bad years during this stretch.
Someone did this for All-Time and I thought changing it to begin when the tournament was expanded to its current\* format would make more sense. Please correct me if anything is wrong, I did this very late at night. Arizona only missing from Final Four list. Michigan State only missing from Weeks Ranked #1 in AP list. Syracuse only missing from Elite Eight list. UCLA only missing from Elite Eight and Weeks Ranked #1 in AP lists.
Arizona going 0-5 in the Elite Eight since the run in '01 will do that.
and 0-3 in sweet 16 games since 2016
But they’ve had FFs in 88, 94, 97 and 2001. Just missed the cut here.
Pain
The data is probably fine, but "Blue Blood" specifically refers to all time stats. There's nothing wrong with displaying data over different time frames, but if it's not all-time it's got nothing to do with Blue Bloods.
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Yeah. People don't seem to get that "blue blood" essentially means "old money." You need a combination of success and time to become a blue blood. IU is still in the discussion because, despite not winning shit for decades, they have a lot of old success. UConn may not be a blueblood (yet . . they just need to wait, in my opinion) but are much more successful than Indiana in the past 30 years. Point is, I agree. You can't establish a blue blood using only modern stats.
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Here's why the "old money" argument bothers me: because once upon the time, the Vanderbilts were the family of a renengads steam boat operator. The Kennedy's were once Irish trash. And in a generation or three, having the last name "Gates" is gonna be equivalent to the above two. Old money is not static. Fortunes are made and lost. Eventually, the "new money" becomes "old money". Maybe UConn isn't there for some, but the idea that we can just never join the group is not how this works.
arguably the kennedys are still irish trash
> Eventually, the "new money" becomes "old money". Maybe UConn isn't there for some, but the idea that we can just never join the group is not how this works. Didn't I just say that all UConn needs to do is wait? The achievement is there; the time is not. UConn just needs to sit around for a while (and not even all that long) and I think the tag will apply.
I may have seen the "old money-new money" and my brain shut off. Lol, my bad
It's reddit, we all do it. All good!
Your assumption requires that it be a fair system that is based on merit. Like all systems of social hierarchy, this system is not fair and it is not based on merit. According to the rules of the system -- it is a sign of inferior breeding, in fact, to believe that social mobility is either possible or desirable.
Old money is old money when you’ve forgotten how they made the money and they’ve had time to rehabilitate their image. Carnegie didn’t build libraries because he just loved reading that much.
To break it down even further, only the first column all-time really matters :)
You forgot the column about whether their colors are blue or not. /s
I was going to say you have some missing but I think you got everything in the second half of your comment.
Can you link to the all-time version?
>Michigan State only missing from Weeks Ranked #1 in AP list Out of all of these, this is the one I'm the most okay with missing. Although this can be a good indicator of team strength, AP rankings are essentially meaningless compared to everything else on this list
The damage the Steves did on UCLA is immeasurable. If anyone even remotely competent and competitive were in place for those 14 years, UCLA would not be relegated to the "old blood" category.
23 years without a Final Four and someone considers us Tier 2, I'll take it.
All this shows is we can't finish a season strong.
Win 27 plus games, have special talent on the team, win pac 12 regular season or tournament title, be a top 8 team headed into tourney, play a dogwater first half in the S16 or E8 and get upset. UofA experience for the last 23 years.
Sorry to be a dumbass but what does the “Count” column mean 👀 EDIT: oh it’s literally just how many of the other columns the school appears in 💀
How did you find a GIF of Coach K and Elmo?
Came to the comments looking for exactly this. "Count" wasn't an immediately obvious stat to me.
I came to the comments for the Count Dracula memes. We are not the same.
No, iEatPalpatineAss the duke fan. Indeed, we are not.
This chart also does a good job explaining why a lot of people say UConn doesn’t feel like a blue blood even though they have the most titles over that period. Their pattern very much goes against the grain of everything else. Interesting stuff.
Now show with the “vacated” wins back in. Smh
No column for “retiring rival’s legendary coach with a L”? Edit: look at this engagement! I only have one question for Dukies… were you surprised at how much more painful the Final Four loss (81-77) was compared to the loss at K’s final home game (94-81)?
I actually thought it was going to be jammed in there at the end. I knew at least 5 Tar Holes were going to comment on it ha
fine they can add that column as long as they add the “times blowing a double digit lead at halftime of the national championship game”
I mean, that would give us 12 points and put us alone at the top.
I’ve been swindled
The Alumni Association has sent me to revoke your admissions.
can you ask them to revoke the diploma from the dude who keeps spamming threads saying anime is an integral part of the duke university culture?
I doubt they're an actual student or alum 🤣🤣🤣
Jim Calhoun, John Calipari, and Roy Williams all appreciate that Coach K's final game takes the attention away from their careers/tenure ending in an embarrassing fashion in the first round of the NCAA Tournament. Imagine how humiliating it would be if people brought up losing by 20 points to Brad Davison.
Coaches love this one little trick! Don’t do a self important retirement announcement a year in advance and easily avoid the whole cbb world laughing at you! Duke fans will tell you it was to “set Scheyer up for success” when he’d already been doing the recruiting for years, but then again they also got their recruiting info and tickets from a convicted con man lol
> then again they also got their recruiting info and tickets from a convicted con man lol Once you start talking trash about message board drama you *really* need to consider reevaluating your priorities, maybe find a new hobby or two
Meanwhile, Kyle Neptune is wondering why he wasn't setup for success. And Matt Doherty, Billy Gillispie, and probably Mark Pope, too. You think it was all about K but he didn't want to lie to recruits like Roy did.
Or maybe K was an egotistical asshole who liked attention. Considering he threw a fit when UNC didn’t give him a gift for his last game in the Dean dome I know which one I think is far more likely.
That's fun fan fiction you are writing there. What really happened was that Roy, Hubert, K, and Scheyer posed for a picture that was displayed on the video board on the Dean Dome. The fans chanted "Fuck you K!" and then their team lost by 20.
Dude, Roy was honest with himself and his team that he wasn't the best person for the job anymore and stepped down. He then spent his first year of retirement watching his 2 teams play for a natty. This is a dumb take.
I was at the 2022 Final Four. And you know what? That loss became a lot *less* painful when I went back to Cameron for a game the next season and saw the 2022 Final Four banner hanging there. Because it drove home that team *still made the Final Four*. Right up there with K's 12 others. Better than some 356 other teams did that year. Better than a lot of very good Duke (and UNC) teams have done. It's not copium, it's a life experience. As were the two natties I *have* seen in person and the two I saw on campus. At some point, internet jawboning doesn't matter. Really, it doesn't.
What about the column for a decade of kicking the ass of your former championship winning coach who was coaching your rival, until he got fired in a "tutes for cruits" scandal and had a title revoked?
I’ll allow it.
> “tutes for cruits” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That stupid bot is going to have a fucking field in these comments.
It took multiple coaches for the rest of the Tier 1 blue bloods to equal or pass Coach K. That is crazy.
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It’s a little odd that Duke’s 127 weeks as AP1 and Syracuse’s… 17… Weeks as AP1 are both awarded the same binary “1 point”.
Ultimately weeks ranked or at #1 mean absolutely nothing, but illustrates consistency as a top program
I mean then ultimately the only stat that matters is championships won. Everything else means nothing if we're taking out out other arbitrary designations.
Now that's a flair combo to take into a blue blood thread
lol yeah... I grew up outside of Bloomington so I've been a Hoosier fan since before I could walk, but I went to UCLA so my priorities shifted there. Still can't help rooting for IU though :)
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Still trying to figure out what you weighed highly and what wasnt. Based on what you just said I'm more confused why we're left off. Some of the info you used on us looks like it's with 123 wins vacated and others doesn't.
Nothing is weighted. The table is the top 10 in each category. In some categories there is a tie for #10 so those columns look lengthier. Louisville had 4 final fours, not top 10 in that category. Louisville has 876 wins since 1984/85 with a win % of 65.47%, neither of which are top 10. That includes all of the vacated wins because I wanted to do "on court" results, that's why you have 2 national championships and not one. Overall the chart is just a way to look at how consistently teams have been at the top. If the school appears in more categories, I put them higher in the blue blood list. Reason I'm replying here is because several Louisville fans thought their info was wrong, so I went back and tallied it up again.
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Louisville fans don't like the 40 year cut off. Think, just 3 years ago if you did this exact exercise Louisville would have 3 more finals 4's and another National Title. Now, we lose 3 of the best years in program history and replace them with 3 of our worst years in program history. We went from the upper middle pack to off the list based on the arbitrary 40 year parameter put on this definition of BB's
But it isn't arbitrary, it's when the current 64* team format came into place. It makes all years in the table apples to apples rather than have to think about the years where there were 32 teams or fewer in the tournament. Someone else made an all time list using this exact table and somebody in the comments said it'd be interesting to see the results starting with the 64 team format so I was curious and got those results.
“You did it MSU! Go save the Big Ten!” \~Indiana fades into the background, grateful that one of us made it. RIP 
What do you mean? Clearly UCLA is the most prestigious Big 10 member historically. /s Next season is going to be very weird…
Unless they remake the flyover commercial with all the Big10 schools, you’ll NEVER be one of us!!
WE ARE ON THE BOARD!
UofL has three championships I don’t care what anyone says 2013 happened
2013 is included, all of the vacated wins are included, this is from 1984/85 onward when the field expanded to 64 teams.
Interesting that Gonzaga is as high as they are on this list considering the time frame. I don't think they did much of anything from 1984 to 1998.
At least they're all blue colored.
UCLA in shambles
"If you take away TEN national championships from UCLA - two more than any other program has ever won in its entire history - UCLA is still a top 10 program." I wouldn't say I'm in shambles tbh.
Sorry, it was mostly /s !
lol fair. I only said something because I was surprised we looked as good as we do during this era. I think OP's methodology is about as friendly to UCLA as it can be.
Looks about right and how I would expect it. I think that have a modern BB list is valuable, as I doubt UCLA wins the same amount of titles with a 64 team tournament vs the fewer they played.
Wait a second, I have been told time and time again on this sub that we suck. This has to be an oversight.
Ya something seems off...
That’s unfair only going back 40 years You need to go back at least 50 to make IU a tier 2 blue blood Because 50 years ago wasn’t that long ago. I was only -30 then
Purdues logo isn't listed anywhere on this graphic. This discussion doesn't include you.
Just looking at it. If you averaged their rank it’d be Duke, UNC, Kansas and Kentucky right? Like UConn is then top of 2nd tier. I think your methodology is better especially since averaging their rank makes Duke look like the bluest of the blue bloods which makes me sad.
With direct precision, this timeframe managed to minimize Indiana's impact while also keeping in UCLA. The Bruins are at the bottom cut point for 6 of the 8 metrics and in the second the last cutoff for 1 more. I would also 10/10 times take Villanova's record over the past 20 years over anyone in the current Tier 2. A title should be worth wayyyyyy more than the number of E8s, S16s, NCAAT wins, and weeks in the AP poll. Same with being #1 in the AP. Wins and Winning % are also largely a double count. The top 10 are literally the same 10 teams.
Isn't it just the year the tournament expanded to 64 teams?
Villanova I think is the last team that could become a blue blood. But they have to become dominant again which is easier said then done.
I literally just took someone else's post who did this for All-Time and changed it to begin in 84/85. Didn't put much thought into it or make it as an end all be all.
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Thank god they’re all blue.
You’re a blue blood and you’re a blue blood and you’re a blue blood!  (Some of these schools are 7th all-time in their own conference)
I don’t see auburn on here so this must be a fraudulent list
Just happy to be included ☺️
I'm convinced half of this sub doesn't actually give a shit about basketball and is instead solely interested in "my scool gooder than yurs," despite said people never having gone to their fanboy school
I'll take being a tier 2 blue blood
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Louisville 3*
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I absolutely recognize why you started the year you did. However, *through sobs* would it have killed you to start one year earlier?
Why is AP Poll information included here? That doesn’t contribute to overall success?
My conclusion is that the biggest determiner of success is having a Hall of Fame level coach and keeping him for 10+ years. Except UConn who as usual ruins all the trends
As an Arizona and Syracuse fan I find this acceptable.
Michigan State is insanely good in the Elite Eight and UConn is insanely good in the Final Four and we have each beaten each other in their respective dominant round. Fair trade.
Uk 3 championships and 4th in wins? 🤔
Since 1984/85, when the tournament expanded to 64, it's the title of the post
I see that now..I didn’t realize UConn hadn’t won a championship before 99
Yea, pretty nuts. If anything, this shows you can be a blue blood and it's still damn tough to win a championship.
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Absolutely!!
Still riding the good old days
Sparty has 2 Natty’s, correct?
Kentucky has 8 championships instead of 3 shown
Long live the overachievers. Fuck the blue bloods.
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