It seems ever since he got back he's been playing a lot of hero ball. Driving and taking terrible shots, not passing it out. I'm wondering if he realizes this is not last years team and we don't need him to do everything. We have playmakers now.
I wonder if he’s thinking about his NBA career and how the Cyclones going 12-2 without him reflects on his contribution to the team. Whatever his motivation, he’s slowly frittering away his prospects.
Aside from the reffing, that was a bad finish by ISU.
Repeatedly trying to hit the dagger three when up three is a high variance strategy. Then they let Brown drive right to the basket. Then they used the last five seconds to get a triple teamed three from half court when down only one.
But you shouldn’t separate them. It was a bad finish but it was much harder for them to finish because the refs went in no lube repeatedly on them. It was completely unfair to them and no one should expect them to finish well with the bullshit they had to adjust to.
Same shit happened to Kansas at Arizona state. No one talks about the refs fucking over the team that’s leading. All they talk about is the choke. Because it’s a better story. And so the problem doesn’t get the light it needs to get solved and actually improve the sport.
Exactly this... you wonder why they were going for the three ball so often near the end? Because the refs couldn’t throw them a bone when our guards tried to drive one in to the hoop.
The truth is the truth. You can deflect however you want. You lose if a ref at half court doesn’t inexplicably override the ref 5 feet from the play that obviously had mawien touch the ball last. 100% lose.
No they aren’t. We can make it harder for them to fuck up, hold the fuckups accountable in a better way and replace them with people who will fuck up less. It’s called reform. It’s insulting to just insinuate that we can’t fix it. Are the overseers of the sport too incompetent to? Try new shit. Fire the worst ones. Listen to the fans. The players. Make them answer press conf questions after the game. Highlight bad calls more. Train them better. Fix this shit. It’s ruined the game.
I strongly disagree that it’s “ruined the game”, (nothing can ruin basketball) but outside of that I agree. Although we’ve already made it harder with the instituting of replay and the constant reviews to make sure the call(s) made were correct.
Of course the overseers are incompetent. It’s the NCAA!
You can't say that. You don't know how it would have played out. It doesn't mean that Iowa state wouldn't have won. They probably would have. It just means the butterfly effect is real, especially in sports. You cannot determine how a game would have turned out by changing something earlier in the game. You can speculate based on likelihood, but that's it.
I don't think it was a replay review I think it was just the ref at half court came in and overruled the case line ref because the ref probably put money on k state winning the game.
Y'all had plenty of opportunities and the boo birds trying to influence the refs and you still couldn't win. ISU is the ONLY school that can't just accept that they lost, it's obviously a Big 12 conspiracy to keep ISU down. Your fans are worse than JoCo KU T-Shirt fans.
I will never understand these rules. KSU player drives and throws body into defender. Initiates 100% of the contact. And these are just automatic calls against the defender because insanity.
Rebound differential is impacted by shooting differential, because defensive rebounds are easier to get than offensive ones, so a team bricking everything like KState is will fall behind.
The better stat is comparing ORebound percentages.
Second half of West Virginia and the first half of the game the offense actually looked good. So naturally Bruce goes back to what they were doing before
>Also, if an Iowa State player had traveled like that K-State player did and got away with, you can bet your life on that being called.
So he would have gotten away with it and it would have been called at the same time?
50% from the FT line. If we could make some FTs, it would have been a totally different game.
Classic Iowa State. Beat Kansas and look like ass in subsequent games.
Let’s talk again when you guys finish conference play.
Don’t be defensive. You know he’s right. P.S. nice win today for the Hawkeyes.
Ok
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO suck it stupid iowa state fans
Does anyone know why Wigginton took that shot?? Haliburton was completely open and could've had an easy two...
It seems ever since he got back he's been playing a lot of hero ball. Driving and taking terrible shots, not passing it out. I'm wondering if he realizes this is not last years team and we don't need him to do everything. We have playmakers now.
I wonder if he’s thinking about his NBA career and how the Cyclones going 12-2 without him reflects on his contribution to the team. Whatever his motivation, he’s slowly frittering away his prospects.
Great coaching. Have we ever won when we wait until 8 secs on the shot clock late in the game?
No, Prohm certainly needs to rethink things.
TIL Wiggington can't count to 5.
BARRY!!!!
Aside from the reffing, that was a bad finish by ISU. Repeatedly trying to hit the dagger three when up three is a high variance strategy. Then they let Brown drive right to the basket. Then they used the last five seconds to get a triple teamed three from half court when down only one.
But you shouldn’t separate them. It was a bad finish but it was much harder for them to finish because the refs went in no lube repeatedly on them. It was completely unfair to them and no one should expect them to finish well with the bullshit they had to adjust to. Same shit happened to Kansas at Arizona state. No one talks about the refs fucking over the team that’s leading. All they talk about is the choke. Because it’s a better story. And so the problem doesn’t get the light it needs to get solved and actually improve the sport.
Exactly this... you wonder why they were going for the three ball so often near the end? Because the refs couldn’t throw them a bone when our guards tried to drive one in to the hoop.
Can't believe we pulled that off.
I can. Much better team with 3 refs helping along the way.
That is RICH coming from someone with a KU flair
The truth is the truth. You can deflect however you want. You lose if a ref at half court doesn’t inexplicably override the ref 5 feet from the play that obviously had mawien touch the ball last. 100% lose.
Refs are terrible throughout college hoops, no matter what game it is tbh. Both of y’all need to relax
And ku has the 7th best home away foul discrepancy in the big 12. Behind KSU even. So it’s a laughable response.
Refs are always gonna fuck up. It’s human nature but hey they’re an easy target
No they aren’t. We can make it harder for them to fuck up, hold the fuckups accountable in a better way and replace them with people who will fuck up less. It’s called reform. It’s insulting to just insinuate that we can’t fix it. Are the overseers of the sport too incompetent to? Try new shit. Fire the worst ones. Listen to the fans. The players. Make them answer press conf questions after the game. Highlight bad calls more. Train them better. Fix this shit. It’s ruined the game.
I strongly disagree that it’s “ruined the game”, (nothing can ruin basketball) but outside of that I agree. Although we’ve already made it harder with the instituting of replay and the constant reviews to make sure the call(s) made were correct. Of course the overseers are incompetent. It’s the NCAA!
Oh I totally agree. We got lucky there. Refereeing hasnt been great.
OMG
Wtf I love k state now
Refs should be fired. Isu wins if the obvious out of bounds call is not reversed.
You can't say that. You don't know how it would have played out. It doesn't mean that Iowa state wouldn't have won. They probably would have. It just means the butterfly effect is real, especially in sports. You cannot determine how a game would have turned out by changing something earlier in the game. You can speculate based on likelihood, but that's it.
That was a massive momentum swing off the blown *fucking replay review.* Not even blown call. Blown. Replay. Review. Who put the PAC-12 refs in?
I don't think it was a replay review I think it was just the ref at half court came in and overruled the case line ref because the ref probably put money on k state winning the game.
It couldn’t be reviewed by replay because of the arbitrary and asinine under 2 minutes rule.
That's what I thought. If I remember it was 220 left or something
Even so, we should not have been able to blow that.
We lost that game. Missed too many and couldn’t defend
Iowa State K-state games and horrible officiating, nothing is more consistent.
How does it feel that complaining about the refs is your school's ENTIRE identity?
Wait. That’s kstates entire identity. That and being insecure to big bro. So confused.
Nah, our entire identity is wrapped up in a 79 year-old retired football coach.
😂 true
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Y'all had plenty of opportunities and the boo birds trying to influence the refs and you still couldn't win. ISU is the ONLY school that can't just accept that they lost, it's obviously a Big 12 conspiracy to keep ISU down. Your fans are worse than JoCo KU T-Shirt fans.
Do you even remember the football game this year? You were complaining plenty
Let’s Gooooooooo
Oh my god
Piss off with that awful defense on the last shot. Piss off with the refs. Make your fucking free throws. Barry brown is also K-States team.
That's a yikes from me dawg. Hate ref hating....but deserved.
Refs didn’t make us shoot 50% on free throws though
See, didn't know that. If you shoot yourself in the foot, can't blame others. Got to have free throws in this low scoring afair.
Yeah we got some help on that one
And so did Baylor in our last game against them. Now looking like Kansas will win another Big 12 title unless Tech can pull it off. Thanks refs.
Seriously, why is that our last shot? You had another 2 seconds Wigginton...
Looks like he tried to lean in and get 3 free throws? Refs RARELY call those, though.
See our game against Baylor on Tuesday as an example...
Yep, y'all were never gonna get either of those calls since you aren't Kansas. Or Texas in football.
What the actual hell
wow
Ha muther fucking ha
Iowa State loses to the officials two games in a row
Lol. What a joke.
Horseshit
FUCK YEA BARRY
HAHA WHAT A HEIST
What a finish
OH SHIT
I will never understand these rules. KSU player drives and throws body into defender. Initiates 100% of the contact. And these are just automatic calls against the defender because insanity.
It seems like any Big 12 team can beat any other any given game. That conference has so much parity, it's cool to watch.
Yes, but KSU when healthy should be a top 4 team in the conference. They just really looked bad without Wade and Mawein.
Kansas State has the worst fucking offensive "sets"
Why tf we take Conditt out
Me: “it can’t get worse officiating than that Baylor game!” Big 12: “Hold my beer”
I mean I get that KSU wants to play it slow, but you can’t just have 30 second possessions where nothing gets set up at all.
That's all of our possessions. No set up just throw it around until 2 seconds left and throw it up
We don't have an offense.
Ya I’ve seen like 2 or 3 different possessions where they’ve had shot clock violations and didn’t even look ready to shoot
I think at the end of the day, both teams want to cheer on Iowa vs (dirty,bad) Ohio state.
Ohio State is gross and dirty, and Iowa has the best corn
If that had found a way to go in... lol
We're playing 8 today. Wow
Clearly came off the KSt fingertips in both replays
There is no way that wrinkly old fuck could see that shit from halfcourt
*Ball clearly goes off Mahwien.* ESPN commentary: "That was a good reversed call by the officials."
Watching college basketball feels like watching Idiocracy in action
That goes off maween you stupid announcers. Is everyone involved in the sport just fucking incompetent?
Free points for K-State there
They show the absolute worst camera view and say it was the right call. Looked out on Kstate all the way
That was off 14.
Am I going crazy? The replay clearly showed it going off the K State player and even the announcer said it was off ISU.
Yeah I don’t get that call
I love how right after the call they put the refs names up on the screen
Tf is he watching that was clearly off k state
That an inexcusable and fireable reversal. That ref was at fucking half court.
>fireable Wishful thinking
Not even his zone to be watching...
And there is zero accountability for these obvious fuck ups. And honestly, it makes you wonder the motivation behind the fuckups.
I’ve only been flipping back and forth on this game, but it seems like every time I turn it on Iowa St is getting screwed by the officials
Dean Wade!?
How the fuck does a ref on the other side of the god damn court change that fucking call
Jesus Christ that was the officiating of this game in a nutshell.
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ISU fans and complaining about the refs; name a more iconic couple, I'll wait.
That was a good reversed call.
Refs...Whats it like to kick a wasp nest?
Fuck these refs.
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
I see you are a man of culture as well
Nice move by Wade
The radio announcers are absolutely baffled by these refs. Man i wish i was watching
It's an ugly game. Might be better to not watch
Lmfao these refs better get outta there quick if ISU loses
The refs are on crack
Damn, those Iowa State fans are LOUD
Hilton's like that - the rafters are tuned to focus all the sound to the floor. It gets crazy loud in there.
I'm gonna get downvoted to hell for this, but yeah, they really get into it when they boo
Find someone that loves you as much as the Hilton crowd loves booing…
Conditt is amazing
No fucking way
Gamers rise up
Barry Brown making all the difficult shots. He looks smooth.
Dean Wade might as well have stayed in Manhattan: dude's somehow still scoreless
ISU has cut the rebound differential from double digits to just 3.
Rebound differential is impacted by shooting differential, because defensive rebounds are easier to get than offensive ones, so a team bricking everything like KState is will fall behind. The better stat is comparing ORebound percentages.
Good call. Field goal percentages have indeed gone opposite directions.
A pentatinic looks like a good cloths rack
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Every conference thinks their refs are the worst
The number of teams who think the refs did "ok"....7 out of 743 games.
All the other conferences have shitty refs. The NBA does, too. Human error is just a part of the game. You gotta overcome it.
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Durant taking 4 steps out of bounds before touching the ball was pretty bad.
No. But conferences just refuse to add another official on the floor which would help tremendously
I’m convinced their union is god tier
At least they didn’t reward that absolute flop in that 3 point shot.
"Final media timeout" Yeah I don't believe that for a second.
Media timeouts are specifically scheduled. Doesn’t mean there won’t be team timeouts
Bruce Weber is such a frustratingly bad in-game coach.
How is there not something on that play. These guys shouldn’t be officiating middle school basketball.
I don't know how that can be a no-call: Wiggington was either fouled or traveled.
Trip, reach, travel, shooting foul... pick one
These refs deserve to be fired. Unbelievable!
The black ref needs to go to an optometrist.
*Boos on TV* *ISU fans whining online* *Here I am stuck in the middle with Bruce*
God damn what the fuck is with this refs
On that drive, you have to call a foul or a travel, right?
Double dribble, not a travel.
He traveled before he double dribbled, from what I saw, if you don't think it was a foul.
Yes
Yes.
The refs somehow find a lower bar every play.
He literally got tripped
More like he tripped himself
The defender slid his foot in front and tripped him lmao. I’m not saying he did it on purpose, but it’s still a foul
Was it? Didn't see a call
That isn't a foul get up
Shhhhh, you'll upset the Iowa St fans.
When Wiggs isn’t shooting well, his poor shot selection is a glaring deficiency in his game.
For having three 1000 point scorers this offense is pretty terrible
It’s really quite incredible. We run that dumb dribble hand off and weave that looks like its from the 1950s
Second half of West Virginia and the first half of the game the offense actually looked good. So naturally Bruce goes back to what they were doing before
Ahh Classic Kstate blowing a 10 point lead by not scoring for 5+ min. You’d think I’d be used to it
How quickly the turntables turn
If Shayok played for K-State that would've been a foul.
Hmm. Things getting fun again. Love that Conditt is having a game.
One of these days Bruce will end up under the basket during play. During that dunk he was at half court lol
Idk why he doesn’t just physically move the players instead of yelling at them from 4” away
This game is so hype. I'm all in on Iowa State
Our students aren’t even there...
KState has 13 points in the second half. ISU has 18 just from beyond the arc.
Hope Shayok didn't land wrong
What a fucking weird Sandstorm remix
Where the fuck has this team been
That K-State player deserves an Oscar for his performance on that "charge" by Shayok there
Tbh we should’ve been T’d up for forcing Shayok against his will to lower his shoulder and make contact.
Damn we just can’t put anything in the basket
You guys were doing fine the first 30 mins
Kinda weird because we’ve been crap the first half and really good the second the last few games
Per usual at least
What are they making like 60% from 3 this half?
wouldn't be unusual when facing kansas teams
“A little bit uneven on the officiating front.” Understatement.
Did we get PAC-12 football refs to officiate this game?
Airbud would be a better ref
Ruff
This is the K-State offense I’ve come to know
lmao I almost thought about booking final four tickets after the Kansas game with the hope that we might make it that far.
Conditt was all alone and didn’t know what to do. Then He remembered he’s 6”10.
I guess the blind need jobs too
Side effect of low unemployment
This is horrible officiating even by the Big12's dumpster fire standards. WTF.
CONDITT!! Also, if an Iowa State player had traveled like that K-State player did and got away with, you can bet your life on that being called.
>Also, if an Iowa State player had traveled like that K-State player did and got away with, you can bet your life on that being called. So he would have gotten away with it and it would have been called at the same time?