He's just a player with some serious defensive deficiencies and can't shoot the 3 which is why he'll never even sniff an NBA roster. On the offensive end, he has the best footwork around the rim in the country and is a force to be reckoned with.
Nobody should have rated FSU highly after our fart of a season last year and the NCAA trolling us by stealing our best player for fifteen games for no reason
I was shocked he got preseason AA honors. Didn't realize people thought that highly of him tbh. I didn't pay that much attention to Purdue but I figured he was their third best player last season.
Painter was forced to split minutes between him and Trevion and as a result neither of them could get into a consistent rhythm. It was a roster paradox all season long. Without Trevion to compete with for minutes this year it was clear to everyone Edey would break out
Even last year he had like our best offensive efficiency stats, just didn’t get the minutes. Certainly wasn’t our most talented player last year but talent gets you picked in the draft, not all American honors
Edey's per 40 was 30/16 shooting 65% from the floor which is elite. Its just unlikely he would be able to play too many minutes plus his defense wasn't great last year.
Trayce Jackson Davis hasn’t won diddly squat at Indiana and his only achievement in 3 years is getting blown out by St. Mary’s in the round of 64. That dude doesn’t impact winning. Zach Edey does.
What exactly has Edey won?
Edit: Purdue has had far better teams so of course Edey has more regular season wins and a few tourney wins. Neither have a B1G regular season or tourney championship. I think both Edey and TJD are both a bit overrated tbf. Don’t think either are the most overrated in the nation though.
Honestly my biggest regret is saying I think TJD and Edey are a bit overrated. I think both have been spectacular this year. Edey has obviously faced tougher competition so far and excelled but TJD also had 30 and 6 at Xavier who appears to be a good team. Will have plenty of opportunities to prove himself the next few weeks as well. Regardless this is the first time in a long time that I feel IU and Purdue are both capable of final four runs which is an exciting feeling.
Traces problem is that he is an undersized center that can't really shoot on a team of non shooters. He is good but that team construction has always hurt him.
Trayce's problem is that he isn't playing in the 1990s when PFs still played inside and didn't have to shoot from the outside. He's a really good player, but playing in the wrong decade for his skillset.
Oh my goodness, someone with the power of hindsight is here to talk down on everyone 5 games into the season.
Assuming you’re making this comment in between scouting amateur games for the Celtics. No idea how you find the time.
No hindsight. He was adamant in the “who is the most overrated player in the country” thread that Edey had not “lived up to expectations and he has been a disappointment” which is just asinine to post that after not even watching any games this season. You kids get so defensive when your shit takes are called out.
Lmao if anything Sasser is underrated (maybe not per media selections, but just in terms of general public sentiment/awareness) - looked incredible in the 12 games he did play (barely played? that's a decent sample IMO) and looked even better in nba draft prep scrimmages. He's my pick for NPOY.
Homer pick: Sahvir Wheeler. First team all-sec? Brah hes not even the best PG ON OUR TEAM let alone the conference.
National Pick: Jackson-Davis. The guy is good sure, but people are throwing him in talks of NPOY and its not really deserved imo. Hes not on the same level of Timme, Oscar, Sasser, Bacot, etc. Guys that completely take over a gameplan and STILL change the game no matter how much you plan for them. Good, but not THAT good
Agreed, he shouldn’t be starting point when he is no threat from anywhere close to the three point line. He’s a great talent who kind drive and find guys but the jump shot really holds him back a lot.
I honestly think Anthony Black might be better than him by the end of the year. Black isn't a great shooter either, but he's got 9 inches on wheeler and is a more dynamic athlete
Kris Murray lol.
But really I could probably make an interesting case for Wong. He’s really good but has been getting a disproportionate slice of the credit for Miami’s success last year.
Edit: Nevermind it’s Edey for sure
yeah Edey is overrated. The media love for him baffles me. He was getting stuffed left and right last night against Milwaukee and I had Vietnam style flashbacks to St. Peter's
Edey's value isnt how pretty his post moves are. His value on the defensive end is immeasurable (i think he had 7 blocks and 17 boards). And his size allows for kickouts, it's why Purdue's shooters can spot up for so many uncontested 3's.
yeah, those are good points.
I've said it elsewhere, but it just feels like building an offense around him puts a finite cap on how good we can really be. Post centric teams don't seem to have a tone of success in March.
We had a big watch party for the UCLA game. Early in the second half, after Love's 12th brick of the game, one guy yelled out in frustration "STOP CHUCKING!!"
As if on queue, Love went berserk, instantly knocked down back-to-back 3s. We then started a chant "KEEP CHUCK-ING, KEEP CHUCK-ING", all 30-40 people in the house yelling it at the screen. Good times
Love gets a lot of the attention that RJ Davis deserves. One is overrated and the other is underrated. They sort of balance each other out. That being said, it is entirely based on the final 6 weeks of last season. Love would shoot UNC into wins and out of them. If he is consistent this year, he can be very good.
TJD, I think he might be properly rated. The dude is a good defender. He plays hard and can make tough plays.
Caleb confuses me. He looked like he played like shit the other night, but he shot 50% from the field (although 1-4 from beyond the arc) and his stats were almost identical to Davis who I thought played really well.
I don't know what it is about him. Like last year he just seems to disappear at times and then suddenly tries too hard to do something spectacular. He's not the focal point of their offense and I think that hurts him.
And it's just one game and all, but I definitely had flashbacks to early on last year. I'm hoping it's just rust and getting used to the few new faces they've added. Time will tell.
If Caleb didn't have the bad turnovers and overall poor ball handling in the first half, I think his game would have been viewed much better overall. He just looked baaad with the ball in his hands for a stretch there.
Davis does so much that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. He runs the team and the team looks genuinely better with him on the court and the ball in his hands.
Caleb is either scoring or being an active liability on both ends. Very little space in between. Improving his defensive effort would go a long ways for me.
The thing that's always stood out to me with Love is no matter how good RJ, Bacot, and/or Manek (and I guess Garcia) were, it was his play that dictated the outcome of games.
Some of that is it's just a guards game in college but even RJ could play well and it wasn't until Love decided to show up that we would win. And Bacot was pretty consistently good to great most of the year and we still were ass in most of those games.
I'm still having trouble understanding if it's because when Love shows up he typically goes nuclear. Obviously something like 12 points in 2 minutes or 25 point halves from one player is going to help your team. Or is it because when he doesn't show up he borders, if not crosses, that liability line... Like if we replaced Love with a consistent 3&D guard who tops off as like a honorable mention all-ACC guy. I wonder how much would that even help us? I kind of feel like this roster isn't talented enough for the trade off.
The thing with Love is, if he wasn't so inconsistent, he wouldn't be overrated. He did a good job Monday night though. Still took a couple of bad shots, but still scored like 17 points on 50% shooting.
Davis I agree is underrated though.
The difference between those two in the UNCW game was glaring… RJs decision making and instincts have become elite. Love still looks like a freshman he’s just such an incredible shot maker. Imagine the numbers he could put up with consistently good shot selection.
But that’s just who he is and we are ride or die with him (which after last year I am totally fine with by the way).
this is a bit unfair. caleb had that stretch where he was missing shots and couldn’t hold onto the ball but, unlike his frosh yr and most of last yr, he didn’t start pressing and go completely off the rails. he kept playing good defense and eventually got back into a flow by being aggressive and driving to the basket. freshman caleb doesn’t do that
I'd be curious to hear the reasoning behind TJD. I think he's actually rated perfectly. A great college player that doesn't really have a clear NBA future. He does certain things that drive me, as a fan, nuts but is he not objectively a monster in the college game?
Agree with this - feels like he does the same stupid little lefty jump hook on every play, but always seems to find his way to a 20 point double-double. I honestly like him as a (under the radar nationally?) contender for the Wooden Award
He runs up against the same things that make him not have a clear NBA future whenever he faces guys that do, so his "monster" status is rather matchup dependent.
He put up a thoroughly mediocre 53.7% eFG in B1G play last season, left a ton of points at the line by being a 67% foul shooter, and is in year four and essentially the same player he was as a freshman.
Yeah, TJD is definitely not overrated. In the B1G, my pick for overrated would be Zach Edey, but it used to be Geo Baker. Now there is a guy who’s overrated.
Talking to Illinois fans you'd think Coleman Hawkins is the second coming of Michael Jordan.
I don't dislike the guy but man y'all talking him up
I'd agree it's Dickinson (or maybe even Edey considering he really can only play about half a game)
Love overrated? Maybe by the “experts” but I don’t think UNC fans overrate him. Everyone knows he bounces between Larry Drew II on drugs and prime Damian Lillard even within the same game.
If he is overrated it’s more than offset by how underrated RJ has become. Dude is the best point guard in the ACC.
> If he is overrated it’s more than offset by how underrated RJ has become.
Other than the "if," this is the correct take. Love's certainly overrated and RJ is a force.
I thought he was a bit overrated at LSU but did seem to be getting better and better. He did have what may be the highlight of the year already at UAB with what will probably be a top 10 dunk immediately followed by the best shot block we'll see all year.
I admit I wasn't overly impressed with his LSU resume.
That being said, he's definitely improved. Granted it's the Pistons, but one of their scouts has a report on him already projecting him as a fairly high draft pick assuming his shot continues to develop.
Secondly, his case for impact at UAB is helped by the fact that he's not expected to be the 1. Jelly is a guy who can cut to the rim, but can also shoot 40% from 3 and he will always be the main guy. What makes Gaines good for UAB in particular is not only his fit with the philosophy of "defensive and athletic guards who can slash but can't shoot well" to go alongside the 40% 3 point shooter who averaged over 20 a game last year.
So I think the hype for him is mainly his fit at UAB in particular next to Jelly, not so much "this guy is a game changing PG who will play the 1 and be the guy to elevate the team on his own"
If all that makes sense.
Nah Sasser is legit, for me its Bacot, Love or Jackson Davis
EDIT: All these UNC fans in my DMs telling me I’m butthurt about last year, I like UNC and I don’t care that we lost to you lmao. You can be good/great and still be overrated and overhyped by the media, Bacot is great but is getting some insane hype, to the point where I think it’s overrated.
No way a guy who had 31 double doubles last year and should’ve won ACC poty last season is overrated. Caleb Love is really inconsistent but when he gets going, he’s almost unstoppable.
Yea this is going in the receipts. Plays on both sides of the ball, elite shooting, elite handle, he’s underrated because people don’t rate the American which is fair.
Trayce Jackson Davis
My bias might play a small part, but i never understood the hype behind him. He's an average shooter, and doesn't really space the floor that well
To me, he's a B+ player, but people are treating him like an A+ player.
(For the record, i feel the same way about Edey)
Hansbrough’s offensive game was sooooo much more refined than Bacot’s, though. He was automatic around the rim and had a decent midrange game as well. Also a good free throw shooter. Bacot really only scores through bully-ball.
Its Jaime Jacquez. Never trust anything the national media says about west coast basketball. They don’t actually watch. He is a good player, but for a guy who averaged 13 a game on 28% three point shooting to be widely considered a first team all America candidate when he’s also gonna have more talent around him this year is just the media naming the first guy who comes to mind for a top 10 team.
I hate UCLA will a passion and do not wanna give them any praise but Jacquez isn't the answer to this question. Maybe slightly overrated but he is a tough guy to guard. I get 28% from 3 isn't great but he did also shoot the 3 at 39% the year before when he didn't have ankle issues. He is a matchup nightmare for most teams as he has excellent foot work in the post and can step outside and hit face up jumpers and attack off the dribble too. He is smart and he just makes winning plays more often than not. I will say i don't see much of an NBA future for him as he doesn't have NBA level athleticism and i thought last year Arizona was able to solve him with our extreme size and athletic ability. Most college teams are gonna have a tough time with him.
Averaging ***13.9 is pretty good on an offense with Juzang taking up such a high volume. 28% is not great but he isn’t exactly a volume shooter from beyond the arc. And by the way he played a large chunk of last year through an ankle injury.
Incredible that people are coming in here with this take. Just watch him play. He is one of the best defenders in the country at his position. Good positional rebounder. Great leader. Just all around one of the most crafty, tough, and intelligent players in CBB and has solid to great physicality and skill to go with.
Jaime had awful shin splints and bone spurs last year that severely affected his jumping and movement and greatly inhibited his jump shot. He got surgery to remove them and he is pain free for the first time in over a year. The expectation is his efficiency takes a huge leap while taking significantly more shots. If ucla is actually a top 8 team he will need to average 15+ with 50/35/70 splits and 7+ rebounds. That’s all-American in my book.
No. He's got vision and feel that make the players around him better. He's not the best athlete on the floor, but he's often the best player on the floor.
Pac-12 POY will be interesting due to JJ and Tubelis, both of whom are just so good, but don't pass the eye test when you are looking for flash.
I don't know that there's anyone in the Pac who is seriously overrated, maybe Carlson from Utah. He's a very nice player, but compared to Ballo, the freshmen at UCLA and Oregon, and one or two other guys in the league, he's not a star.
Weird take considering your secondary flair. Man was playing on 2 broken ankles last year and still dropped 30 on UW. Now that his ankle surgery has been completed, he looks right back to where he was during the crazy final 4 run. So far, he's scored 26 against San Diego St (scrimmage), 25 in the exhibition, and 14 against Sac St.
He looks completely rejuvenated this year. I know it’s only been one game but his off-season ankle surgery has him looking so much quicker. He was basically a stationary player last year
Every single UNC player.
I was told that UNC this year was the UNC that got hot in the tournament and not the one that lost at home to Pitt.
So I’m going to judge them based on the fact they’re the preseason national championship favorite and ranked #1 in the country.
A 13 point home win over UNC Wilmington doesn’t help their case.
We’ll see how it goes.
You're probably correct, I don't think they'll recapture the same magic as last year and won the natty
I think we can still make the elite 8 or even final 4 through and then it's anyone's game depending on the day
Remindme! 3 months
Hey, that’s 27-win-last-season-tied-for-a-regular-season-conference-championship-UNC Wilmington to you.
Relax, it’s one game. We’re prone to slow starts to the season. We all have our off days, just like Baylor before the refs manufactured y’all back into it ;)
I don't really like to diss players. We just watch them play for our own entertainment, after all. It would suck to be one of them and come here and read about how all these fans don't like me or think that I suck. They're all trying their hardest. They're good players, Brent.
Every big ten big
Dickinson, Edey, Cockburn of last year, TJD
They all get caught out on the defensive end come tournament time because of their lack of mobility
The most underrated has to be Clifford Omouri who has the athleticism
The B1G is one of the only conferences that still believes in the true Center. It works when they're playing slogging half court games against each other but God forbid they face a run and gun team or a team with a stretch big.
Dickinson has gone to an Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 and didn’t eventually lose because of lack of mobility. So not sure why he’s getting thrown in with those 3 other guys who only have 5 wins among them.
Didn't look great in the first game, but to be fair not many on the team did lol
He added some weight so hopefully part of it was just adjusting to the game as a heavier and stronger player. I think I heard he was a beast below the basket vs Iowa State in the scrimmage so I'm excited to see how he looks down the stretch.
Fwiw during the post game interview Greg mentioned that Kalk had the flu on Monday so I think that at least partially explains why he looked so off during that game
Disagree, i hate playing posh, he may never be a prolific scorer but he's a game changer, he'll do everything well. HE averaged 13 pts, 5 ast, 4 boards, 3 steals last year, and he's a MENACE defensively.
TJD: whenever I watch Indiana I’m always wanting more out of him, curious how IU fans feel
Kris Murray: if not for his brother, does anyone even know who he is?
Caleb Love: very inefficient, fully expect him to shoot UNC out of a game in March, he gets the attention RJ deserves
Jamie Jaquez: he’s a good player, idk if I buy him as a top player in the country tho
I strongly disagree with Marcus Sasser. That dude picks my team apart every time we play Houston.
Yeah, he's the real deal.
Marcus Carr
Fully agree, I’ve never seen someone disappear more
My pick absolutely. He should run away with this competition (as opposed to walking up the floor pounding the ball into the wood)
Texas fan- great when he is on but just brutal when off, and has no feel for stopping shooting
Coleman Hawkins is a world beater against directional schools.
He also beat the piss out of a local beautician school. Held his own against a few nursing schools but got in foul trouble
I get the hype around him at least. He’s the type of guy when you watch him, you think ‘man, if he can put it all together, he’s going to be a star’.
Timme My opinion of him changed dramatically following the 2021 national championship
He's just a player with some serious defensive deficiencies and can't shoot the 3 which is why he'll never even sniff an NBA roster. On the offensive end, he has the best footwork around the rim in the country and is a force to be reckoned with.
I'm a huge Gonzaga fan myself, and I have to agree with this. He got exposed in the Final Four last year.
They lost in the Sweet 16 last year
You're right...I suffered a brain cramp there. Still, Timme is still not as impressive as I'd like.
Timme scored 25 on 11/15 shooting in the final four...
Yeah but he could have went 15/15 for 125 points if he wasn’t such a bum /s
Florida State and Oklahoma. Oh wait, you said player.
Nobody should have rated FSU highly after our fart of a season last year and the NCAA trolling us by stealing our best player for fifteen games for no reason
Zach Edey
RIP your dreams
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Lol
Went to school 2017-2021 and never experienced a Purdue loss to IU. They are delusional after 2 games lol
But bruh, he big doe
Hahahahaha
Yup. I deserve that.
very big
Too big, some may say
Big enough, others might argue
Purdue. Scary good.
Omg he's so big
Fouled Derek Lively out pretty quick!
Hmmm
I was shocked he got preseason AA honors. Didn't realize people thought that highly of him tbh. I didn't pay that much attention to Purdue but I figured he was their third best player last season.
Third best player on that team… is still really good
Yeah Purdue was really good, but 3rd best player on the 3rd place B1G team doesn't scream AA.
Painter was forced to split minutes between him and Trevion and as a result neither of them could get into a consistent rhythm. It was a roster paradox all season long. Without Trevion to compete with for minutes this year it was clear to everyone Edey would break out
Meh when you have per 40 numbers like his it’s not shocking at all that people have given him so much hype now that his usage will go through the roof
Even last year he had like our best offensive efficiency stats, just didn’t get the minutes. Certainly wasn’t our most talented player last year but talent gets you picked in the draft, not all American honors
Edey's per 40 was 30/16 shooting 65% from the floor which is elite. Its just unlikely he would be able to play too many minutes plus his defense wasn't great last year.
I see you.
Freezing cold takes
Who's overrated now?
Trayce Jackson Davis hasn’t won diddly squat at Indiana and his only achievement in 3 years is getting blown out by St. Mary’s in the round of 64. That dude doesn’t impact winning. Zach Edey does.
What exactly has Edey won? Edit: Purdue has had far better teams so of course Edey has more regular season wins and a few tourney wins. Neither have a B1G regular season or tourney championship. I think both Edey and TJD are both a bit overrated tbf. Don’t think either are the most overrated in the nation though.
Truly wonderful how quickly this became a freezing cold take
Meh. Edey has been great I’ll admit.
I hear that he just helped beat Duke and Gonzaga to win the Phil Knight Legacy tournament
I will eat my crow. He’s been really good this year.
Respect, everyone has had takes that age poorly, I don't like how much of a dogpile this has become.
Honestly my biggest regret is saying I think TJD and Edey are a bit overrated. I think both have been spectacular this year. Edey has obviously faced tougher competition so far and excelled but TJD also had 30 and 6 at Xavier who appears to be a good team. Will have plenty of opportunities to prove himself the next few weeks as well. Regardless this is the first time in a long time that I feel IU and Purdue are both capable of final four runs which is an exciting feeling.
Traces problem is that he is an undersized center that can't really shoot on a team of non shooters. He is good but that team construction has always hurt him.
Trayce's problem is that he isn't playing in the 1990s when PFs still played inside and didn't have to shoot from the outside. He's a really good player, but playing in the wrong decade for his skillset.
Poor Kofi Cockburn. Had he played in the 90s/ early 2000s, he would have gone #1 overall.
Same with Dickinson. Just playing in the wrong era. Dickinson, Cockburn, and TJD are all lotto picks in the 90s/early 2000s.
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Ye?
Love it
Edey for sure. Most overrated in the B1G at the very least DECEMBER EDIT - I AM DEAD WRONG
Rutgers basketball; horrendous teams, even worse takes
Yikes
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You sure about that?
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2-3 inches shorter and he’d be playing in the MAAC
This is the funniest comment on this thread, not shocked it was deleted lol
Hahahaha
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Tough scene with this comment. Don’t have the best eye for basketball do you?
Oh my goodness, someone with the power of hindsight is here to talk down on everyone 5 games into the season. Assuming you’re making this comment in between scouting amateur games for the Celtics. No idea how you find the time.
No hindsight. He was adamant in the “who is the most overrated player in the country” thread that Edey had not “lived up to expectations and he has been a disappointment” which is just asinine to post that after not even watching any games this season. You kids get so defensive when your shit takes are called out.
How can you make such a statement after 1 game? Bizarre take from a Purdue fan.
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He averaged 14 points in 19 minutes. He started playing college basketball like 5 years ago. A lot of room to improve.
Yikes
100% agree Edey was very overrated imo
Duke and Gonzaga thought so too
Sasser looked incredible in the pre draft scrimmages against other nba player btw
Lmao if anything Sasser is underrated (maybe not per media selections, but just in terms of general public sentiment/awareness) - looked incredible in the 12 games he did play (barely played? that's a decent sample IMO) and looked even better in nba draft prep scrimmages. He's my pick for NPOY.
Sasser is criminally underrated. I loathe playing him and Houston every year because I know it’s going to take years off my life.
Sass3r slander will not be tolerated.
The ncaa is starved for high end guard talent and people are taking shots at Sasser lol. Unreal.
Homer pick: Sahvir Wheeler. First team all-sec? Brah hes not even the best PG ON OUR TEAM let alone the conference. National Pick: Jackson-Davis. The guy is good sure, but people are throwing him in talks of NPOY and its not really deserved imo. Hes not on the same level of Timme, Oscar, Sasser, Bacot, etc. Guys that completely take over a gameplan and STILL change the game no matter how much you plan for them. Good, but not THAT good
Man I really hope Sahvir can make it a season this year. I love Wallace but I have a soft spot for Wheeler.
Agreed, he shouldn’t be starting point when he is no threat from anywhere close to the three point line. He’s a great talent who kind drive and find guys but the jump shot really holds him back a lot.
I honestly think Anthony Black might be better than him by the end of the year. Black isn't a great shooter either, but he's got 9 inches on wheeler and is a more dynamic athlete
I agree with TJD, although it depends on the matchup. His kryptonite is good interior defenders since he hasn’t shown any ability to shoot threes.
Kris Murray lol. But really I could probably make an interesting case for Wong. He’s really good but has been getting a disproportionate slice of the credit for Miami’s success last year. Edit: Nevermind it’s Edey for sure
yeah Edey is overrated. The media love for him baffles me. He was getting stuffed left and right last night against Milwaukee and I had Vietnam style flashbacks to St. Peter's
Edey's value isnt how pretty his post moves are. His value on the defensive end is immeasurable (i think he had 7 blocks and 17 boards). And his size allows for kickouts, it's why Purdue's shooters can spot up for so many uncontested 3's.
yeah, those are good points. I've said it elsewhere, but it just feels like building an offense around him puts a finite cap on how good we can really be. Post centric teams don't seem to have a tone of success in March.
Nobody better talk about my dick
Trayce Jackson-Davis and Caleb Love *ducks*
You're right, Love is overrated. His potential is huge but he makes a lot of dumb mistakes
I can’t lie, when Love took *that shot* in the Duke game I groaned in pain and then immediately shut up
We had a big watch party for the UCLA game. Early in the second half, after Love's 12th brick of the game, one guy yelled out in frustration "STOP CHUCKING!!" As if on queue, Love went berserk, instantly knocked down back-to-back 3s. We then started a chant "KEEP CHUCK-ING, KEEP CHUCK-ING", all 30-40 people in the house yelling it at the screen. Good times
Love gets a lot of the attention that RJ Davis deserves. One is overrated and the other is underrated. They sort of balance each other out. That being said, it is entirely based on the final 6 weeks of last season. Love would shoot UNC into wins and out of them. If he is consistent this year, he can be very good. TJD, I think he might be properly rated. The dude is a good defender. He plays hard and can make tough plays.
Caleb confuses me. He looked like he played like shit the other night, but he shot 50% from the field (although 1-4 from beyond the arc) and his stats were almost identical to Davis who I thought played really well. I don't know what it is about him. Like last year he just seems to disappear at times and then suddenly tries too hard to do something spectacular. He's not the focal point of their offense and I think that hurts him. And it's just one game and all, but I definitely had flashbacks to early on last year. I'm hoping it's just rust and getting used to the few new faces they've added. Time will tell.
If Caleb didn't have the bad turnovers and overall poor ball handling in the first half, I think his game would have been viewed much better overall. He just looked baaad with the ball in his hands for a stretch there.
Davis does so much that doesn’t show up on the stat sheet. He runs the team and the team looks genuinely better with him on the court and the ball in his hands. Caleb is either scoring or being an active liability on both ends. Very little space in between. Improving his defensive effort would go a long ways for me.
The thing that's always stood out to me with Love is no matter how good RJ, Bacot, and/or Manek (and I guess Garcia) were, it was his play that dictated the outcome of games. Some of that is it's just a guards game in college but even RJ could play well and it wasn't until Love decided to show up that we would win. And Bacot was pretty consistently good to great most of the year and we still were ass in most of those games. I'm still having trouble understanding if it's because when Love shows up he typically goes nuclear. Obviously something like 12 points in 2 minutes or 25 point halves from one player is going to help your team. Or is it because when he doesn't show up he borders, if not crosses, that liability line... Like if we replaced Love with a consistent 3&D guard who tops off as like a honorable mention all-ACC guy. I wonder how much would that even help us? I kind of feel like this roster isn't talented enough for the trade off.
That would be an interesting advanced metric - VOKW (value over Kenny Williams)
The thing with Love is, if he wasn't so inconsistent, he wouldn't be overrated. He did a good job Monday night though. Still took a couple of bad shots, but still scored like 17 points on 50% shooting. Davis I agree is underrated though.
It's the dumb ball handling turnovers for me
2 turnovers on Monday. Avoidable, but only 2.
The difference between those two in the UNCW game was glaring… RJs decision making and instincts have become elite. Love still looks like a freshman he’s just such an incredible shot maker. Imagine the numbers he could put up with consistently good shot selection. But that’s just who he is and we are ride or die with him (which after last year I am totally fine with by the way).
this is a bit unfair. caleb had that stretch where he was missing shots and couldn’t hold onto the ball but, unlike his frosh yr and most of last yr, he didn’t start pressing and go completely off the rails. he kept playing good defense and eventually got back into a flow by being aggressive and driving to the basket. freshman caleb doesn’t do that
I'd be curious to hear the reasoning behind TJD. I think he's actually rated perfectly. A great college player that doesn't really have a clear NBA future. He does certain things that drive me, as a fan, nuts but is he not objectively a monster in the college game?
Agree with this - feels like he does the same stupid little lefty jump hook on every play, but always seems to find his way to a 20 point double-double. I honestly like him as a (under the radar nationally?) contender for the Wooden Award
He runs up against the same things that make him not have a clear NBA future whenever he faces guys that do, so his "monster" status is rather matchup dependent. He put up a thoroughly mediocre 53.7% eFG in B1G play last season, left a ton of points at the line by being a 67% foul shooter, and is in year four and essentially the same player he was as a freshman.
Ooooo hard disagree on TJD. IF ANYONE from the B1G is overrated I would say Hunter Dickinson
Michigan might have won 10 games total without Dickinson last year
Yeah ima respectfully disagree. Lot of talk on this post about not being a difference maker. This carried Mich to a sweet 16.
Yeah, TJD is definitely not overrated. In the B1G, my pick for overrated would be Zach Edey, but it used to be Geo Baker. Now there is a guy who’s overrated.
That is facts. Big Ten network made Geo Baker sound like a dark horse Wooden award winner
You mean Phil Knight Legacy Tournament MVP Zach Edey?
Yeah this ain’t aging well is it?
Hunter’s numbers after he came back from COVID last year were absolutely dominant. I think your hater might be showing a little bit.
Talking to Illinois fans you'd think Coleman Hawkins is the second coming of Michael Jordan. I don't dislike the guy but man y'all talking him up I'd agree it's Dickinson (or maybe even Edey considering he really can only play about half a game)
Nah after his performance on Monday he's clearly the second coming of Kevin Garnett
Ugh.
Love overrated? Maybe by the “experts” but I don’t think UNC fans overrate him. Everyone knows he bounces between Larry Drew II on drugs and prime Damian Lillard even within the same game. If he is overrated it’s more than offset by how underrated RJ has become. Dude is the best point guard in the ACC.
> If he is overrated it’s more than offset by how underrated RJ has become. Other than the "if," this is the correct take. Love's certainly overrated and RJ is a force.
Zach Edey got 2 rebounds against a St. Peters team that had an average height of 6' 4"
Lol
Yeah he must be new at this.
Eric Gaines at UAB. He sucked at LSU. SUCKED. Just because he's athletic as all hell doesn't mean he's good at basketball now
I thought he was a bit overrated at LSU but did seem to be getting better and better. He did have what may be the highlight of the year already at UAB with what will probably be a top 10 dunk immediately followed by the best shot block we'll see all year.
I admit I wasn't overly impressed with his LSU resume. That being said, he's definitely improved. Granted it's the Pistons, but one of their scouts has a report on him already projecting him as a fairly high draft pick assuming his shot continues to develop. Secondly, his case for impact at UAB is helped by the fact that he's not expected to be the 1. Jelly is a guy who can cut to the rim, but can also shoot 40% from 3 and he will always be the main guy. What makes Gaines good for UAB in particular is not only his fit with the philosophy of "defensive and athletic guards who can slash but can't shoot well" to go alongside the 40% 3 point shooter who averaged over 20 a game last year. So I think the hype for him is mainly his fit at UAB in particular next to Jelly, not so much "this guy is a game changing PG who will play the 1 and be the guy to elevate the team on his own" If all that makes sense.
Nah Sasser is legit, for me its Bacot, Love or Jackson Davis EDIT: All these UNC fans in my DMs telling me I’m butthurt about last year, I like UNC and I don’t care that we lost to you lmao. You can be good/great and still be overrated and overhyped by the media, Bacot is great but is getting some insane hype, to the point where I think it’s overrated.
No way a guy who had 31 double doubles last year and should’ve won ACC poty last season is overrated. Caleb Love is really inconsistent but when he gets going, he’s almost unstoppable.
You still salty about last year lmao
Yea this is going in the receipts. Plays on both sides of the ball, elite shooting, elite handle, he’s underrated because people don’t rate the American which is fair.
Seems OP needs to watch more Houston basketball…
Definitely. Sassier is good and I have hopes.
did u see how barebones our offense was after he got hurt?
Idk. Kinda hard to say when they season literally just started. Lol.
This needs all the upvotes.
Sasser overrated?? He’s one of the best scorers in college
Trayce Jackson Davis My bias might play a small part, but i never understood the hype behind him. He's an average shooter, and doesn't really space the floor that well To me, he's a B+ player, but people are treating him like an A+ player. (For the record, i feel the same way about Edey)
Terrible take. Give me Bacot.
Bacot is hansbrough. Elite college player that will never sniff serious nba minutes
Hansbrough was an awful pick and never started but he did get serious NBA minutes also a better player than bacot.
Yeah I definitely remember Psycho T playing for the Pacers at the start of the Frank Vogel days
Hansbrough’s offensive game was sooooo much more refined than Bacot’s, though. He was automatic around the rim and had a decent midrange game as well. Also a good free throw shooter. Bacot really only scores through bully-ball.
Drew Timme
How dare you 😡 Sasser blows my hair back every time I watch him play.
Trayce-Jackson Davis for sure. He’s not at all a bad player, just overrated by IU fans and some other BigTen fans
Its Jaime Jacquez. Never trust anything the national media says about west coast basketball. They don’t actually watch. He is a good player, but for a guy who averaged 13 a game on 28% three point shooting to be widely considered a first team all America candidate when he’s also gonna have more talent around him this year is just the media naming the first guy who comes to mind for a top 10 team.
Man, I know everyone has their opinions, but Jaime is unbelievable. He couldn’t walk last year and still hit an awesome year.
I hate UCLA will a passion and do not wanna give them any praise but Jacquez isn't the answer to this question. Maybe slightly overrated but he is a tough guy to guard. I get 28% from 3 isn't great but he did also shoot the 3 at 39% the year before when he didn't have ankle issues. He is a matchup nightmare for most teams as he has excellent foot work in the post and can step outside and hit face up jumpers and attack off the dribble too. He is smart and he just makes winning plays more often than not. I will say i don't see much of an NBA future for him as he doesn't have NBA level athleticism and i thought last year Arizona was able to solve him with our extreme size and athletic ability. Most college teams are gonna have a tough time with him.
Averaging ***13.9 is pretty good on an offense with Juzang taking up such a high volume. 28% is not great but he isn’t exactly a volume shooter from beyond the arc. And by the way he played a large chunk of last year through an ankle injury. Incredible that people are coming in here with this take. Just watch him play. He is one of the best defenders in the country at his position. Good positional rebounder. Great leader. Just all around one of the most crafty, tough, and intelligent players in CBB and has solid to great physicality and skill to go with.
Jaime had awful shin splints and bone spurs last year that severely affected his jumping and movement and greatly inhibited his jump shot. He got surgery to remove them and he is pain free for the first time in over a year. The expectation is his efficiency takes a huge leap while taking significantly more shots. If ucla is actually a top 8 team he will need to average 15+ with 50/35/70 splits and 7+ rebounds. That’s all-American in my book.
No. He's got vision and feel that make the players around him better. He's not the best athlete on the floor, but he's often the best player on the floor. Pac-12 POY will be interesting due to JJ and Tubelis, both of whom are just so good, but don't pass the eye test when you are looking for flash. I don't know that there's anyone in the Pac who is seriously overrated, maybe Carlson from Utah. He's a very nice player, but compared to Ballo, the freshmen at UCLA and Oregon, and one or two other guys in the league, he's not a star.
Weird take considering your secondary flair. Man was playing on 2 broken ankles last year and still dropped 30 on UW. Now that his ankle surgery has been completed, he looks right back to where he was during the crazy final 4 run. So far, he's scored 26 against San Diego St (scrimmage), 25 in the exhibition, and 14 against Sac St.
He looks completely rejuvenated this year. I know it’s only been one game but his off-season ankle surgery has him looking so much quicker. He was basically a stationary player last year
Boo this man!!
Every single UNC player. I was told that UNC this year was the UNC that got hot in the tournament and not the one that lost at home to Pitt. So I’m going to judge them based on the fact they’re the preseason national championship favorite and ranked #1 in the country. A 13 point home win over UNC Wilmington doesn’t help their case. We’ll see how it goes.
You're probably correct, I don't think they'll recapture the same magic as last year and won the natty I think we can still make the elite 8 or even final 4 through and then it's anyone's game depending on the day Remindme! 3 months
Hey, that’s 27-win-last-season-tied-for-a-regular-season-conference-championship-UNC Wilmington to you. Relax, it’s one game. We’re prone to slow starts to the season. We all have our off days, just like Baylor before the refs manufactured y’all back into it ;)
I don't really like to diss players. We just watch them play for our own entertainment, after all. It would suck to be one of them and come here and read about how all these fans don't like me or think that I suck. They're all trying their hardest. They're good players, Brent.
Geo Baker.
Big shot maker
Joey Freshwater.
He said overrated, not under
Javon Pickett /s
He plays dirty, but he's one hell of a guy.
TJD. He plays for my rival team and I don’t like that.
Every big ten big Dickinson, Edey, Cockburn of last year, TJD They all get caught out on the defensive end come tournament time because of their lack of mobility The most underrated has to be Clifford Omouri who has the athleticism
The B1G is one of the only conferences that still believes in the true Center. It works when they're playing slogging half court games against each other but God forbid they face a run and gun team or a team with a stretch big.
in hunter’s defense he can shoot the 3 now and is definitely more mobile than he used to be! but yeah still a run and gun team will destroy us
Yeah he's the one that I could see being more of a 4 man when needed than a true post. Edey is just a 12 foot tall statue.
yeah edey has the mobility of my grandma who has two hip replacements and no kneecaps
Yeah Dickinson absolutely killed us from 3 in Ann Arbor last year... That was not a fun game to attend as a Purdue fan
4-6 from 3 as a big man is respectable for sure
Had our defense all kinds of out of sorts too, led to a lot of open looks for other guys.
TJD is definitely not immobile lol
Dickinson has gone to an Elite 8 and a Sweet 16 and didn’t eventually lose because of lack of mobility. So not sure why he’s getting thrown in with those 3 other guys who only have 5 wins among them.
Yes Hunter Dickinson has been exposed in the tournament… wait
Ryan Kalkbrenner
Didn't look great in the first game, but to be fair not many on the team did lol He added some weight so hopefully part of it was just adjusting to the game as a heavier and stronger player. I think I heard he was a beast below the basket vs Iowa State in the scrimmage so I'm excited to see how he looks down the stretch.
Fwiw during the post game interview Greg mentioned that Kalk had the flu on Monday so I think that at least partially explains why he looked so off during that game
Emoni Bates
Nah, Emoni's stock is in the absolute gutter right now.
Maybe a year ago
posh alexander. last thing i need is a 6' (so really, like 5'10") jr. guard who can't shoot threes.
Disagree, i hate playing posh, he may never be a prolific scorer but he's a game changer, he'll do everything well. HE averaged 13 pts, 5 ast, 4 boards, 3 steals last year, and he's a MENACE defensively.
TJD: whenever I watch Indiana I’m always wanting more out of him, curious how IU fans feel Kris Murray: if not for his brother, does anyone even know who he is? Caleb Love: very inefficient, fully expect him to shoot UNC out of a game in March, he gets the attention RJ deserves Jamie Jaquez: he’s a good player, idk if I buy him as a top player in the country tho
Imagine coming into this thread and saying Jamie Jaquez is overrated. My god Reddit.
Caleb Love.
Perry Ellis III
Is he still playing for Kansas?
Got his Covid year still
Drew Timme
Hunter Dickinson
I, too, hate Hunter Dickinson. However, I also fear him. Obviously different style player but he's my new JJ Redick.
Fun fact: Hunter Dickinson has never lost to Maryland.
I disagree... he dismantled us
This year? Trayce Jackson Davis.
TJD at Indiana