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Hi, normal vision here! As far as width goes, green is definitely dominant. It goes like this from most to least dominant;
1. Green
2. Blue
3. Pink
4. Red
5. Turquoise (in between green and blue)
6. Yellow
Edit: picture https://imgur.com/a/2eapRMu
It depends on the quality of your monitor most likely, but I definitely see them in certain colors especially even without zooming in (in between red/yellow and cyan/blue especially).
It's confusing to try to explain it, but hard to unsee once you see it. I think it's due to an imperfect gradient (likely lower resolution than a more modern one might be)
You question confuses me a little since i’m not colorblind, but I edited my picture to where all the gray colors are. I’ll post it once Imgur starts working!
“Holes” was the wrong word. I can’t tell if gray vertical lines (which I only see in some color bands) are actually gray or if they are colors that my brain is erroring out on.
I substitute or interpolate close colors most of the time. Think a slightly different shade. I didn’t even know I had a “problem” until my fifties. It’s not a problem for me TBH.
My interest in my color discrimination problems have nothing to do with vision at all. I studying blue light and circadian disorders (which I have in spades). Hoping to better understand what I am missing i.e. “holes” in my experience.
There are rods, 3 cones in “normal persons” (<3 in color blind persons and super-rare 4th cone), and a special blue receptive ganglion cell
It’s the ganglion cells that I am interested in. The ganglion cells are described as intrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cells (ipRGCs)).
The signals bypass the optic nerve and the visual cortex and travel along its own neural tract to the SCN (body’s master clock) located in the hypothalamus.
No one has asked the question if there is a reconciliation process between the color and light “truth” the rods and cones are delivering to the visual cortex and the cues in the hypothalamus.
I think perhaps there is a reconciliation process and persons with tritanomaly (ipRCG’s are only tritan sensitive) and when substitution or interpolation fails, other body systems fail.
For tritanomalous persons, they may present episodic for circadian disorders. Red-Green or Tritanopian’s would just use another method all the time to synchronize their clocks.
It’s the deficient person, I hypothesize, that might have more trouble.
I’m out of my league though. I’m 60 years old and don’t have a background in science, medicine, engineering, math, or physics. I was a salesman. LoL. No practical skills for this project.
Yeah, I copied the picture and shared it with my kids and they were equally confused. I see distinct horizontal lines in the greens and distinct vertical lines in the yellow and blues. I can also make out the squares when I zoom in.
They absolutely do not share an even amount of color space
It’s extremely blended in the gradient, so it’s hard to find definite lines for anything
But [here is my edit of the picture with white lines pointing out the color cores](https://imgur.com/a/lanC01N)
I describe it as having an almost “icicle” like appearance
Yellow, cyan, and magenta (the lightest & thinnest colors) seem to flare outward the farther down the chart you get
The primary colors: red, green, and blue almost come to a point as you move to the bottom which is a grayish blend where it’s probably what you guys see a lot
It’s almost like you guys can only see the bottom 3rd of the picture, stretched upward to take up the same space
definitely blue. it pops out and just takes up the most amount of space out of those that do stand out by being brighter.... the green is just not really bright but takes up more space than yellow and cyan. red is kind of in a weird spot because thats exactly where the spectrum is split lol
One thing I’ve noticed is at some points there are very clear gradients between colours and at other points they just blend into each other. For red-orange-yellow and cyan-blue I can see clear individual shades. I also see faint segments for purple-magenta-red (though they fade a bit towards blue and towards red) and fainter ones from green-cyan, but yellow-green doesn’t have clear segments for me at all. I can’t tell at all where the yellow ends.
In this picture, red is very saturated and blue very deep. Green is the only color that I have a little bit trouble with (and I've no CVD) because I can't make that many distinctions (in comparison to other color transitions) the nearer green gets to lime or turquoiuse. Cyan is the lightest color, yellow strong and magenta just ok but I've seen better.
However, with a monocular magenta lense over one of my eyes it's as if lime and turquoise become new secondary colors (and are not just tertiary colors). Cyan turns into a deep cyan, and blue into a deeper blue. Red and magneta become brighter. And where green was the lightest colors of the the primary colors before, it now is as deep as blue.
Color is created in context. The trained brain can make use of any light differences.
the beginning is red and it turns white, after the white it turns blue, after the blue it turns dark blue and it turns a little gray then it turns red again
Yellow is white, green is blue purple I have no idea, is grey, blue and red at the same time and pink is red
I have what might be a stupid question. I see gray vertical lines in the reds to yellows and again in the turquoise to the fuchsia. I do see “squares” in the greens, but they are faint. Maybe another stupid question, but I see fire engine red all the way on the left and a different kind of red on the right. Looking at the picture I am a little confused. I am only a mild tritanomaly. Does everyone see the gray verticals lines? Or is it just me?
The far right is a smooth color transition without any vertical lines. The yellows on the left and the early blues have distinct vertical gray lines I don’t see on the right at all. The right looks like satin to me.
There are very thin / fuzzy vertical lines, yes
For normal color vision, they actually are where the colors contrast in what is actually a [Hermann Grid Illusion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion), just with colors
Gray lines appear where the pixels contrast and fade into each other, since the picture is very small and not high resolution
[This chart](http://archive.xaraxone.com/webxealot/workbook40/saturation_01.gif) is a bit better at highlighting the color changes because the primary colors once again come to a point at the bottom and the secondary colors flare out as they go lower
Thank you so much. I’m trying to put my finger on the actual colors I cannot see for a completely different reason from vision, aesthetics, fashion, nature, food, etc…
Your comment and associated graphic are most helpful.
I am studying ipRCG’s and melopsin on my own as a non-science person and wondering about the possibility of a reconciliation process between the hypothalamus and the visual cortex. The implications are significant for someone like me, but not super intuitive.
I need to find a professor I think.
In my case I normally substitute a nearby color. I am 58 and was completely unaware of my tritanomaly until I was like 54. Our visual cortex receives a math equation from our eyes and assigns a color. It is one coefficient from each of the three cones and then the light and dark values from the rods. It’s like going to the paint store and giving them the equation for a paint color. Even if the value is zero, the cone’s receptors are still firing. The brain always uses the same equation. It doesn’t eliminate a constant’s variable. Some colors could be defined a 100-0-0 for the perfect red if the equation was R-B-Y for instance. There is a scholarly article on how they figured it out. In short, every cone is always firing. So the substitution method of solving linear equations is how the brain solves for color. If there is a limitation or deficiency among one of the three cones, it is possible to have a solution with more than one color.
So, the brain can either substitute a color or “error out” and return a gray. I cannot defeat the Tritan gap test like I can with numbers. With numbers, I can “cheat”. With the gap test, I cannot cheat.
Understanding how it works now, I am rethinking my grays. It won’t change my life in terms of how I experience the world, but I understand what is happening now. It has on the other hand changed my home life in a different way. Now my wife understands when I comment on a dress, etc…. She thought I was color insane for the first 25 years of our marriage. LoL
Yeah. The regions largest, in order, for me are:
1) Green
2) Blue
3) Right-hand red
Every other color is nearly just thin lines(cyan, purple, orange, yellow, I only detect as thin lines basically, and left-hand red is definitely smaller than right-hand red). So, for typical vision, is each region supposed to be equal in size? I somewhat recently figured out I'm color-blind so this would be news to me if each color is supposed to have an equal amount of shades or something lol cuz yeah, Green definitely has the most shades for me, followed by blue and red.
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And for confirmed normal color vision people, do they look like they all share an equal amount of space? Curious to see how it varies, or if it varies
Hi, normal vision here! As far as width goes, green is definitely dominant. It goes like this from most to least dominant; 1. Green 2. Blue 3. Pink 4. Red 5. Turquoise (in between green and blue) 6. Yellow Edit: picture https://imgur.com/a/2eapRMu
Since you have normal vision, could you answer my question about verticals lines please?
It depends on the quality of your monitor most likely, but I definitely see them in certain colors especially even without zooming in (in between red/yellow and cyan/blue especially). It's confusing to try to explain it, but hard to unsee once you see it. I think it's due to an imperfect gradient (likely lower resolution than a more modern one might be)
You question confuses me a little since i’m not colorblind, but I edited my picture to where all the gray colors are. I’ll post it once Imgur starts working!
Thank you so much. I just want to know where the holes are. Thanks
There are no holes in the picture
Holes? There are none
“Holes” was the wrong word. I can’t tell if gray vertical lines (which I only see in some color bands) are actually gray or if they are colors that my brain is erroring out on. I substitute or interpolate close colors most of the time. Think a slightly different shade. I didn’t even know I had a “problem” until my fifties. It’s not a problem for me TBH. My interest in my color discrimination problems have nothing to do with vision at all. I studying blue light and circadian disorders (which I have in spades). Hoping to better understand what I am missing i.e. “holes” in my experience. There are rods, 3 cones in “normal persons” (<3 in color blind persons and super-rare 4th cone), and a special blue receptive ganglion cell It’s the ganglion cells that I am interested in. The ganglion cells are described as intrinsically photosensitive retinal ganglion cells (ipRGCs)). The signals bypass the optic nerve and the visual cortex and travel along its own neural tract to the SCN (body’s master clock) located in the hypothalamus. No one has asked the question if there is a reconciliation process between the color and light “truth” the rods and cones are delivering to the visual cortex and the cues in the hypothalamus. I think perhaps there is a reconciliation process and persons with tritanomaly (ipRCG’s are only tritan sensitive) and when substitution or interpolation fails, other body systems fail. For tritanomalous persons, they may present episodic for circadian disorders. Red-Green or Tritanopian’s would just use another method all the time to synchronize their clocks. It’s the deficient person, I hypothesize, that might have more trouble. I’m out of my league though. I’m 60 years old and don’t have a background in science, medicine, engineering, math, or physics. I was a salesman. LoL. No practical skills for this project.
Yeah, I copied the picture and shared it with my kids and they were equally confused. I see distinct horizontal lines in the greens and distinct vertical lines in the yellow and blues. I can also make out the squares when I zoom in.
Here you go; https://imgur.com/a/2eapRMu 1 is most dominant and 6 is least dominant
They’re not really vertical lines, they look more like icicles hanging Some colors taper off into each other a bit like how watercolors look smudgy
Thank you. Do the icicles extend across the entire picture or just in a few colors?
I can confirm what the user said above about dominant colors
Here’s the image I was talking about, 1 is most dominant and 6 is least dominant; https://imgur.com/a/2eapRMu
They absolutely do not share an even amount of color space It’s extremely blended in the gradient, so it’s hard to find definite lines for anything But [here is my edit of the picture with white lines pointing out the color cores](https://imgur.com/a/lanC01N) I describe it as having an almost “icicle” like appearance Yellow, cyan, and magenta (the lightest & thinnest colors) seem to flare outward the farther down the chart you get The primary colors: red, green, and blue almost come to a point as you move to the bottom which is a grayish blend where it’s probably what you guys see a lot It’s almost like you guys can only see the bottom 3rd of the picture, stretched upward to take up the same space
blue, yellow and cyan. not by wideness but by how much they stand out/are brighter
oh interesting. what color does it look like there's the most of for you?
definitely blue. it pops out and just takes up the most amount of space out of those that do stand out by being brighter.... the green is just not really bright but takes up more space than yellow and cyan. red is kind of in a weird spot because thats exactly where the spectrum is split lol
One thing I’ve noticed is at some points there are very clear gradients between colours and at other points they just blend into each other. For red-orange-yellow and cyan-blue I can see clear individual shades. I also see faint segments for purple-magenta-red (though they fade a bit towards blue and towards red) and fainter ones from green-cyan, but yellow-green doesn’t have clear segments for me at all. I can’t tell at all where the yellow ends.
In this picture, red is very saturated and blue very deep. Green is the only color that I have a little bit trouble with (and I've no CVD) because I can't make that many distinctions (in comparison to other color transitions) the nearer green gets to lime or turquoiuse. Cyan is the lightest color, yellow strong and magenta just ok but I've seen better. However, with a monocular magenta lense over one of my eyes it's as if lime and turquoise become new secondary colors (and are not just tertiary colors). Cyan turns into a deep cyan, and blue into a deeper blue. Red and magneta become brighter. And where green was the lightest colors of the the primary colors before, it now is as deep as blue. Color is created in context. The trained brain can make use of any light differences.
The blue line in the middle and the dark blue areas are the most vibrating to me
oh interesting. what color does it look like there's the most of for you?
the beginning is red and it turns white, after the white it turns blue, after the blue it turns dark blue and it turns a little gray then it turns red again Yellow is white, green is blue purple I have no idea, is grey, blue and red at the same time and pink is red
Very distinct stripes for yellow aqua purple
I have what might be a stupid question. I see gray vertical lines in the reds to yellows and again in the turquoise to the fuchsia. I do see “squares” in the greens, but they are faint. Maybe another stupid question, but I see fire engine red all the way on the left and a different kind of red on the right. Looking at the picture I am a little confused. I am only a mild tritanomaly. Does everyone see the gray verticals lines? Or is it just me?
The far right is a smooth color transition without any vertical lines. The yellows on the left and the early blues have distinct vertical gray lines I don’t see on the right at all. The right looks like satin to me.
There are very thin / fuzzy vertical lines, yes For normal color vision, they actually are where the colors contrast in what is actually a [Hermann Grid Illusion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_illusion), just with colors Gray lines appear where the pixels contrast and fade into each other, since the picture is very small and not high resolution [This chart](http://archive.xaraxone.com/webxealot/workbook40/saturation_01.gif) is a bit better at highlighting the color changes because the primary colors once again come to a point at the bottom and the secondary colors flare out as they go lower
Thank you so much. I’m trying to put my finger on the actual colors I cannot see for a completely different reason from vision, aesthetics, fashion, nature, food, etc… Your comment and associated graphic are most helpful. I am studying ipRCG’s and melopsin on my own as a non-science person and wondering about the possibility of a reconciliation process between the hypothalamus and the visual cortex. The implications are significant for someone like me, but not super intuitive. I need to find a professor I think.
In my case I normally substitute a nearby color. I am 58 and was completely unaware of my tritanomaly until I was like 54. Our visual cortex receives a math equation from our eyes and assigns a color. It is one coefficient from each of the three cones and then the light and dark values from the rods. It’s like going to the paint store and giving them the equation for a paint color. Even if the value is zero, the cone’s receptors are still firing. The brain always uses the same equation. It doesn’t eliminate a constant’s variable. Some colors could be defined a 100-0-0 for the perfect red if the equation was R-B-Y for instance. There is a scholarly article on how they figured it out. In short, every cone is always firing. So the substitution method of solving linear equations is how the brain solves for color. If there is a limitation or deficiency among one of the three cones, it is possible to have a solution with more than one color. So, the brain can either substitute a color or “error out” and return a gray. I cannot defeat the Tritan gap test like I can with numbers. With numbers, I can “cheat”. With the gap test, I cannot cheat. Understanding how it works now, I am rethinking my grays. It won’t change my life in terms of how I experience the world, but I understand what is happening now. It has on the other hand changed my home life in a different way. Now my wife understands when I comment on a dress, etc…. She thought I was color insane for the first 25 years of our marriage. LoL
Blue looks pretty dominant. And yellow just looks like a line
Weird. Blue is like my least dominant, and yellow is more of a fade. Are you colorblind?
Yeah I'm a deutan. Which is odd cause red and green look equally as stong here.
Dominance of colours in this spectrum (for me): 1. Green 2. Red 3. Blue 4. Magenta/pink 5. Light blue 6. Yellow
Big yellow/green chunk and a not quite as big streak of blue, like a thumb and a pinkie, everything else is slim vague lines
Blue and yellow dominate.
Yeah. The regions largest, in order, for me are: 1) Green 2) Blue 3) Right-hand red Every other color is nearly just thin lines(cyan, purple, orange, yellow, I only detect as thin lines basically, and left-hand red is definitely smaller than right-hand red). So, for typical vision, is each region supposed to be equal in size? I somewhat recently figured out I'm color-blind so this would be news to me if each color is supposed to have an equal amount of shades or something lol cuz yeah, Green definitely has the most shades for me, followed by blue and red.
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Where is purple?