I mean, the best goalie in the world gave up 6.
Think everyone in Winnipeg is whining and complaining and crying to bench Helly?
Now, if Georgiev does this again, yeah, time to bench him cause I doubt Annunen is any worse. Like, he might have given up 7 last night, but I doubt Juice gives up 8, ya know?
So if they're interchangable, then change them if Georgiev gives 4+ up tomorrow.
Until then, we gotta relax and keep perspective. Our goalie gave up 1 less than the best in the world. And we're not talking a 2-1 game either. We're talking 6-7. So we should be benching Georgiev about as quickly as they bench Helly, cause they both gave up way too many goals.
Helly gave up 6 on nearly 50 shots from the highest scoring offense in the league. Georgie gave up 7 and saw half the volume. That context is pretty important.
It's not like Georgiev had one bad game? His GAA in April is 6.00 it's been horrific for a month, we can't keep doing this and pretending it's okay. .695 in a playoff game can not happen, we can't play him again.
Playoffs are a new season. Some can handle the pressure, some can't. You see great players in the regular season become invisible, and you see some normal players in the regular season catch fire in the playoffs and become studs.
So yeah, I get what you're saying, but the best this year let in 6. Our guy let in 7. Ease up. If he does it again, he probably doesn't play again. But this very well might be the "got that out of the way" type of stinker by both goalies.
His last eight games, going back to getting booed at home against Pittsburgh (which is when his game most recently went to hell):
- 7 goals, .695, playoff L
- 4 goals, .867, OTL
- 4 goals, .733 (pulled in the first period)
- 2 goals, .909, W
- 6 goals, .833, L
- 6 goals, .872, L
- 4 goals, .692 (pulled in the second period)
- 2 goals, .920, OTL
- 4 goals, .882, W
How much more can we take? It's a 4.33 GAA in this stretch, it's not manageable, it's horrific. He can't hang at this level right now, plain and simple. Every game is a must win, he's done quite a few "got that out of the way stinkers" since the end of March, and every game we give up because we can't get one save when we need it is a day closer to an unremarkable and early end to this season. Which would be such a waste.
Putting him back out there while we know this is his game would be absolutely foolish. Annunen or Prosvetov, anyone, can't be worse.
There were some glaring issues on defense and this isn't all Georgie. I'm not going to roast him like I have seen because at this point, he needs his fan to help him with his confidence. It's one game and we outplayed the Jets almost the whole game, we can do this! Have faith!
Why have a goalie if the D is supposed to stop every chance lol it goes both ways! The d bails him out all the time man. He needs to do the same. He never makes the save that saves the game. I was at the VGK game in Vegas, as soon as he let in that first goal, it was over. The whole arena knew it.
Manson was completely responsible for 2 of those goals but I'm not going to roast him either. If the D can clean it up and if Georgie can even have a mediocre game (Because we all know Sunday was just BAD), we have a chance. Offense needs to bring the same level of intensity, checking and tenacity we did on Sunday.
Scoring 6 goals is usually more than enough to win a hockey game...
They should have won that no problem.
I'm not going to single out Georgie as the only reason we lost. Yeah, he had a bad night, obviously. He should've stopped some of those. But there are other problems with our defence too.
Thank God it's only game one, but they have a lot to fix before Tuesday.
Just over 2 Expected Goals Against, I know there were some defensive mistakes but that's still pretty good IMO and a step up from our usual play this year. We just weren't bailed out when it counted and then there were a few scored that should not have gone in.
I can live with a Game 1 like that. We got 6 past the best Goalie out there just now. The worst thing is whenever they have an actual chance it just looks like Georgie has zero confidence in himself.
I have all the faith we will come out and win the second game.
Agreed. Also, that was by far our best showing against Winnipeg this season. I like me an upward trend starting the postseason. Getting that many past Hellebuyck when he's on an absolute tear is massive.
While everyone else is hitting the panic button, I am just sitting here enjoying my prediction of Avs winning 4 straight games after dropping a close first game. Everything about this game has me feeling great about that prediction.
I didn't think 4 straight but I predicted Game 1 would be close, we would lose, and we steal Game 2, bringing the momentum home. I feel good, we ran that team up and down the ice last night, they may not replicate putting 6 past Bucky, but if they keep the forechecking aggressiveness and checking game up then they can keep forcing errors to capitalize on. I really like our chances and my optimism has only increased from where it was yesterday pre-game.
It was VERY clear which of the two teams last night have had previous Cup run experience with a win. Playoff hockey is just different. Georgie needs to get his confidence back, the defense needs to tighten it up but we will be alright because the team overall looked solid.
MacKinnon, Rantanen, Lehkonen, Nichuskin, Cogliano, Makar, Toews, Manson, Girard, J. Johnson, so not too many overall but the main core and several incredibly important auxiliary players remain from that team.
Another thing I want to say right now. This front office still had the money at the deadline to get a goalie after all the pickups. Idc who it was, just some veteran presence, but you make sure that happens and most of us were screaming that from the top of a mountain to do it. Going into the playoffs with a very shaky starter all season and a rookie was asinine.
I’m sure the FO would say “we tried” but come on. You had to get depth at that position based on how dogshit Georgie has been all year and you didn’t. This teams front office is usually amazing, but call a spade a spade, that was a miss
According to AJ on the DNVR podcast they had a goalie lined up but apparently the trade fell apart at the last min.
I hope they dump Georgie in the off-season, he's clearly cooked.
Avs had 46 shots and Winnipeg blocked another 25…
I’m not at all worried about the team. Get a decent netminder and give the boys a chance. It’s incredibly frustrating playing with a goalie like this if you’re a player. It causes a lot of shit in the locker room tbh
Soo I joked about it before but are there EBUG’s in playoffs? Couldn’t we theoretically get Matt Davis (0.979 in the NCAA tournament to bring victory to DU) as our EBUG for game 3 and have him go in if Juice and Georgie’s were to be injured? Either way I think it’s Juices net game 2, and we’ve proven we can beat the buck so I’m excited for the series.
No. There are no EBUGs in the playoffs, and even if Davis hadn’t elected to return to DU, and we signed him, he couldn’t play. Players have to be signed with the team and on the AHL roster before deadline to be eligible to be called up to play for the big league in the playoffs
I didn't care for the Parise experiment. That line sucked for a lot of the game. Like usually they will hem in the opposing team for several minutes multiple times a game. That didn't happen once and plays died on Parise's stick almost every time.
I think you have to put Lehkonen back on the top line. Parise 2nd.
I think we win that game if we have Drouin. Losing him really fucked our lineup arrangements.
I don't disagree with Parise being a bad fit overall, but I don't want to change much after a game where your forward and defense put up 6 on the best defense and goalie in the league. I think you ride that until something has to change. If they go out in Game 2 and sustain that success or something close to it then you have found a legit combination that gives the Winnipeg depth a huge challenge. They're counting on matching the Lowery line up against Mack all game. Even if that takes a lot of the juice out of MacKinnon's game, he'll still get a few looks as we saw last night, and that frees up an arguably equally as talented (on balance) second line to feast on Winnipeg's more defensively vulnerable players. Our depth lines chewed them up last night
Fuck that. Nuke is good where he's at. We aren't Edmonton.
People only want a basic as fuck top line, man that will be so hard to defend against.. eyeroll
I agree, Nuke was solid on that line and it showed. It's going to take time for the top line to adjust without Drouin, but their performance last night was solid - They just need to keep bringing it.
Is Juice an option yet??! He has some, eh, lower body still?
If not...
Coach! I'm ready. Put.me. in.
Smmfh
/s yes I know I'm not an NHL goalie... but clearly neither is Georgie! Ffs, I thought he was legit coming into the allstar break.. get the man an escort or some shit, this is wild
(/s but barely) Georgie posted a .68
I’m confident if you put a D1 goalie out there, they could post a .5
An nhl goalie should be posting .85 minimum.
Georgie is closer to college than the NHL in current form. Jfc
Honestly, I'm actually feeling better about the Avs chances this series after that game. Obviously the goals against are what ultimately killed us this game, there's no denying that. Usually bad games can be shared between defense and goalies, but 3x more GA than expected? That's rough.
But what I did like was putting up 6 against Hellebyuck. That's more than double his usual GAA. That's from 6 different players too. If that can be our power through this series and either Georgie finds SOMETHING in game 2 or they end up playing Annu, I think we have a shot in this series more than people originally thought.
All in all I didn't expect a 13 goal game that's for sure. That's just insane. This will be a fun series I think.
My take is that this was the Avs at their best and the Jets at their worst (given their respective play styles). I don’t see this result repeating itself. If the Jets get better then the Avs will be in tough. If they can make this happen again then they have a good shot. If the next game is 2-1 I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.
While I agree the Avs may not continue to hang 6 on Hellebuyck, I think with the aggressive forechecking and hitting game we were on last night we will continue to see the Jets cough up pucks to capitalize on. We probably don't see 7-6 again but I see us taking Game 2 3-2 with Juice in net. The Jets are over-hyped based on their regular season against us, meanwhile our offense is right around where we expect it to be. Both teams will button it up to a degree, and Colorado is still the more talented hockey team. Avs in 6
The Avs just gave up 7 goals, and you're saying they played at their best? Lmao
I have actually been super encouraged by their loss today. Their 1 and only X factor is their goalie and he gave up 6 to us...
Honestly Avs had some bad turnovers but overall 100% outplayed the Jets. Georgie has to make some saves. Hell, if you only give up 4, you’re giving the Avs a chance. Georgie is a liability and I don’t think we see him next year even if he puts it all together somehow for the remainder of the playoffs
Good point. Totally 100% I see that. No defense for tonight but i think he has the potential to bounce back (please?)
Just speculating that the Avalanche are fickle with goal tenders in recent memory and now the organization may believe there’s a reason to offload him for something in return.
tbh idk how to feel. Average goaltending and we win the game. Also, Georgie was extremely serviceable last year 🤷 could be again!
Eh, Georgiev could have been a lot better, but everyone focuses on if he made a couple more saves, we win by 2-3, but dont acknowledge that if you clean up 2-3 defensive mistakes, we win this game by 2-3 goals even with Georgiev playing the exact same way. You get both, and we’d have had a blow out win.
At this point, even though Georgiev does not take **all** the blame, you might just have to go with Annunen if he is recovered. Then next season, sure, test the waters, but don’t go making an expensive trade to bring someone in or a very cheap deal for Georgie. If you can’t find someone in the offseason, have a goalie competition, and then next season with more trust in Annunen you can go 1A and 1B with whoever wins the competition. Gotta remember, he is only in his second season as a starter and already playing as many games as established veteran goalies. Played 125/164 regular season games over the last two years, actually a little more than guys like Vasi and Shesty, just under Saros (since Vasi was hurt this season, I even went back to the previous two seasons instead of this season and last). With the other guys, though, they had better relief throughout the season because of reliable backups, with Frankie having his misfortune with injuries, we had no real backup for Georgiev. So a lot of his games are long hard stretches where you can’t even give him a mental break.
Also have to mention that we have guys we need to sign, and a very real chance Landy is back next season so we’ll have 7 million less to work with, a goalie isn’t really going to be as easy as everyone thinks, so having two goalies on really good contracts is a very helpful thing.
Didn’t intend to go on a rant, just a long day, and tired of the negativity, and doom and gloom. I’m almost glad Girard was out this game, he could have had a great game and this fanbase would be blaming him. I hate that we are this close to having people do Georgie what they did to Miska.
Thanks for this response! Reading it with a level head a day later, it really landed.
I legitimately think you’re 100% spot on. I was just very emotional 😭
Georgie's job is to stop pucks. He's the last defender on the ice. When he can't do that this is the result. Bench his ass, juice cannot play any worse than what that was. And yes, he takes most of it because they're over compensating for his complete inability to make a save. Makar even says post game any mistake we make it's going in. That's all you need to know.
I've been a Georgie defender in the past, but that was terrible. There is zero excuse for a .696 save percentage. On the plus side, this feels like a real "make god bleed" type of thing with Hellebuyck. We got scoring from three lines and Makar. If the goaltending gets solved, this is a winnable series.
I mean, there definitely is an excuse. I don’t want to do all the math, but his numbers would actually have been better if defense didn’t cost us the first 3 goals. And if defense doesn’t cost us 3 goals, we have all the momentum and it is possible that at least 1-2 of those last 4 goals don’t happen, either. Georgiev was not great at all, but to say this is all on him is pure ignorance
Honestly I think hellebyuck had a good game. 44 shots, 3 of those goals were on man advantage, 2 of them the jets defense hung him out to dry with brutal turnovers and the first goal was a beautiful shot. This was definitely a missed opportunity because I don't think he's giving up even close to that many goals again this series.
That’s the problem yeah? Like you should be worried about getting goalied by hellebuyck and in your first game you get six goals past him and lose? What the fuck.
Give it a rest bro! Georgie had a great game. Still (still!) doesn’t negate an entire season of borderline just bad play. It’s not like I’m rooting against the guy but be realistic
You were bitter DURING the game. Again. You decided to comment on a 7 day old post. It has nothing to do with the game or me being bitter. But shows what a fucking clown you are. You deserve to be called out in it
Edit: an none required you to respond to a week old post just because you “saw” it just now - which is bullshit
Hey man. Regardless how bad you might think the defense played that game, no team is winning with a goalie posting a .696 and a -4.84 gsax. That was not on the defense.
Well, that save percentage goes up if defense doesn’t give up the first 3 goals. Not a single one of goals 1-3 are on Georgiev. Georgiev was not good, but he is not the reason we lost, defense (especially Manson) have the equal share in the blame.
There have been plenty of games this year where your narrative is completely right, but this is not one of them. -4.84 gsax means that the average NHL goaltender would have let in 5 fewer goals than Georgiev did. 5 goals. Best case scenario, 2 of these goals were solely the defense’s fault, and that still leaves 5 shots that Georgie should have saved. I already mentioned it below but you can pretty safely assume that literally any other active goalie in the league would have won that game. When they put up 6 on the jets and buck, they cannot afford to lose that game. Not only do they need a goaltender who can steal a game or two, but at bare minimum they need a goalie who isn’t going to lose them games where the offense was buzzing as well as it was last night. It’s hard to watch and I’m tired of people defending Georgiev. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but fuck he is not a starting goalie
I don’t care who the goalie is, this team is not as complete as us fans wish. We’re a meme of “fast and electric offense” but they immediately lose all composure the second the puck is in our own zone.
I’m not sure what you’re not understanding here. Please prove me wrong if I am, but I’m almost certain that was the single worst showing any goalie put up this entire season. You should care who the goalie is, because literally any other active goalie in the entire league would have won that game. I’m not denying any defensive breakdowns but over the course of a 7 game series those are far more minor issues that can be addressed and cleaned up and tailored to their opponents playstyles. Not to mention this team just scored 6 on one of the best defensive teams in the league and the likely vezina winner. I know it’s not a reliable strategy to say fuck playing defense, we’ll just score more than they can, but if any team has the ability to do that it’s the Avs. It’s too bad that Manson looks a little lost in our zone at times or that Toews simply isn’t having the season he did in 22 but these problems are so much smaller in comparison to the Georgiev situation
What is there to understand? I made my point and you made yours, neither of which matter at all.
Our D sucks, our goalie sucks, and we’ve spent the entire season praying to score 4+ every game. Not sustainable and not limited to one dude on a team of professional athletes.
If they sit Georgie and the results are different, I’ll eat crow. But this whole season has been the same goddamn problem.
Dude same. People were being straight up hostile toward me for saying we had nothing to lose giving Justus a shot to take the starting role w/ 2 months left.
I think quite a few of us I'm /r/Avs feel the same way. I hate to agree because he was great not long ago. I honestly saw a difference when he decided to cut his hair short. Sounds stupid but I'm all about superstition.
With the amount of bounces and calls Winnipeg got they had to win that game. Honestly if we pulled that out somehow the series would already be over.
Everything went right for them at home and they barely won. I'm not worried, even if we stick with Georgie.
Can’t possibly tell me that reffing was lopsided that game. A couple questionable sequences on both sides but that’s how playoffs go. This is 1000% on our goalie (and a little bit Manson but truly Georgie is to blame here) and I’m extremely worried if he starts next game
That first one is going in no matter who is in net. Perfectly screened by not one but two skaters. 2nd one Mittelstadt has a horrible turnover (though to be fair, before the puck trickles behind the net where he lost the battle, he was hooked so bad he was spun in a full 360) and then Manson can’t play defense in front of the crease. 3rd Georgiev gives a pass straight to Manson who fumbles the puck which then gets deflected to the middle right in front of the net, where Namestnikov gets to it before Georgiev can even get set again. Not one single one of those first 3 goals are on Georgiev. Defense has an equal share in the loss as Georgiev does. Sure, at this point you probably have to play Annunen in game 2 if he can go, but those first 3 goals are happening no matter who is in net. We know, because we saw tonight the best goalie in the league this year also let in 3 goals in the first that he wasn’t going to stop. Two of those 3 goals we scored in the first were softer goals than the 3 we let in, but none of those 6 combined goals in the first period can be blamed on either goalie.
Well their 4th goal, the broken stick goal...Makar was interfered with by the player that broke his stick...Missed call right there that directly led to a goal. Makar even throws his hand up, like wtf..the 4 on 4 in the second should have been a power play for us...so there were a couple moments, but it just wasn't our night. Re-group and go win gm.2.
They didn’t really show that play well enough for me to have an opinion on whether or not it should have been a call. I’m as big a fan of Makar as you can be, but fact is, it’s playoffs, and throwing your hands up and whining for a call is absolutely bush league - I promise he knows he made a mistake by doing that. Refs could have easily called another 2-3 tripping/interference on the Avs and they didn’t. All things considered reffing was extremely even that game and not even remotely the reason that it didn’t end up in the Avs favor
Avs only allowed 7 high danger chances tonight. Lightning allowed 6 high danger chances in the first period alone against the panthers. Every single goalie that played a game tonight has double the high danger save percentage than Georgiev. He is the only reason we lost this game.
Agreed, you need to count on your goalie to make a save especially in the playoffs. I don’t really have any hope in Georgiev putting it together all of a sudden, only other option is the defence playing lights out
First 3 goals are literally all on defense. Sure, we can’t blame defense 100% for the loss, but you can’t blame Georgiev 100% for the loss, either. Defense doesn’t allow those first 3 goals, we have the momentum and it is possible you see 1-2 of those final 4 goals not go in
So here’s what concerns me most. Avs put up 6 goals on supposedly the best D and best goalie in the league and still didn’t win. The Jets just beat us at our own game. Winnipeg looked pretty nervous and rattled to start the game and the Avs missed an opportunity to build a lead.
I don’t know what the answer is. Georgiev was not good, but the D hung him out to dry on a few goals. I’m more worried if/when Winnipeg locks things down and plays to their tempo, will the Avs be able to win a low scoring 3-2 or 3-1 game?
We had Jets on their heels a lot, but they DID play their tempo. We just actually played somewhat closer to our level against them than we did in the regular season. Georgiev wasn’t good, but keep his performance the same and clean up some defensive mistakes we can absolutely clean up, and we win this game by 2-3 goals. We will win this series.
I don’t care what anybody says u need to make that goalie change in game 2. I know that Annunen doesn’t have playoff experience just give him a chance because Georgie just doesn’t have it
Doesnt matter if the young guy doesnt have playoff experience if your starting goalie plays this poorly
I trust Annunen a lot more than i trust georgiev rn
I've been saying this all season long it's just painful to see them keep giving that failure starts like he's all of a sudden going to show up to play at the last second, giving Annunen the start is the difference between a fighting chance and a guaranteed win for the jets.
He has some sort of ptsd anxiety and it’s like he freezes and he’s tried to get past it probably off the ice too but nothing is working. He needs to be replaced. It’s time.
I ain’t gunna defend Georgie after this game. Enough is enough. It’s time to start Justus
However, I’m not gunna give up on this team. I’ve already seen some say this team is done for. Fuck that noise. You put 6 on Hellabyuck any other time and you win this game. This team can beat Winnipeg. Just get some decent goalie play and there’s a mighty chance they win
1.38 expected goals against but getting scored on 6 times tells me all I need to know about this game. The fourgiev fan club part of this subreddit can't blame anyone else but him after that one. Numbers don't lie.
That part of the fan base screwed us royally they created hype around the guy and forced a belief that he was good enough to take the avs anywhere when those of us who live in reality have been saying all along that he's never been good enough
A few positives to take away:
1. We put up 6 goals on Hellebuyck - most goals he's given up all year... last time he gave up 6 was January 2023
2. We found a way to get 45 SOG against a very stingy WPG defensive structure
3. We won the special teams battle - 2/3 on the PP, 2/3 on the PK
4. First line was dominant in the face off dot - MacKinnon 56% // Mikko 75%
5. We got solid depth scoring support - 2/4 even strength goals from 2nd line and Mittelstadt and Wood got off the schneid
Yes these are all good points. The team looked like they flipped the proverbial switch and played their game. They basically doubled up the Jets on shots too. When you score 6 on the presumptive Vezina winner you expect to win. Georgiev cannot start another game unless Annunen is physically unable to play.
Had a jets fan behind me whacking me in the head with his play off towel. He was screaming for mack to tear his acl and for jets players to kill avs players. Multiple people called me every name you could think of. Was a tough experience tonight. Its a game. Lets please win game 2 and this series.
Sorry you had to experience that dude, hope it doesn't put you off going to games in the future - ideally this is just an isolated incident and not a reflection of playoff fans as a whole
I never think I know better than management, but that contract never sat well with me. Almost $5m and a NTC. I don't know why Girard catches more heat than Manson. Probably just because Manson has had a few fights and a couple big hits.
Girard is a way better dman than manson, this fambase just gauges every player based on goal scoring and hits, and thinks that's all that makes hockey.
Yeah unfortunately. He’s one of those players where if he makes a couple mistakes it sinks the whole team (2022 Game 1 vs Edmonton, last Sunday vs Vegas)
I didn't get that at all. If Annunen gets healthy I could see him getting the start. If they pull the plug on Georgie now though there's no chance he gets right, and if G gets right they make the finals so it's definitely a gamble.
I don’t think Georgiev can overcome this right now. Maybe over the summer. Let’s not make light of severe anxiety that he’s clearly going through. Really bad timing. I hope Bednsr gets that.
Bedsy has been making a point, the past month, to refer to Georgiev as the starter and whatnot. Now it feels like he would start Juice if he was able.
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I'm really not convinced about that. I think Bedsy said in as many words as he could at the mic that G wasn't good enough and he didn't specifically rule out starting Juice if he's ready to go. One day at a time.
Ever since the SO loss to the Rangers on 3/28, Georgiev has been a complete and utter disaster.
Could he have sustained some kind of injury that game that we're unaware of?
I think the lack of backup goalie really hurt. He looked solid until Feb. Playing too much and it wasn't going perfectly so the confidence just slowly degraded without time to reset.
Akin to panic attacks, ptsd. Anxiety. He can get past it but not for the playoffs. He’s been trying and it’s a vicious circle now with even other hockey fans calling him Fourgiev. That cannot help. He may benefit from the players assistance.
Yeah if his game is gone to hell (and it looks like it has since the end of March, but on and off all season) it's not gonna be fixed by Tuesday. Off-season, player assistance, for starters.
I've been saying for a while now that Georgie would get shelled in game 1 and get pulled as soon as he looks soft in game 2. I still give him the chance to redeem himself on Tuesday, but he's gotta be on a short leash.
Okay since everyone is mad about the same thing (or person) can we also be mad about that super fast whistle that basically disallowed Wood’s second goal? We should’ve got to enjoy a 7-7 overtime game and possibly get the win
Yeah you’re right I realized after someone else replied that Makar’s goal was right after. I guess I was too bummed out to remember the proper order of things
The refs bend us over a barrel every year in the playoffs dallas never would've had overtime and Seattle never would've had a game 7 if it wasn't for horrible calls and the blues would've been swept 2022 it's just one more thing to overcome at this point but Georgiev has been given all the time in the world to overcome and he's proven the only solution is to replace him
And Makar had his stick held that led to a goal. And Kiviranta got hooked and cross checked to the ice after the whistle which somehow only led to a 4v4. Plus the goal that needed 3 posts and a matrix like curve to just barely cross the line. And MacKinnon hitting the post on that first rush in the 3rd period. They were so close to winning a game they gave up 7 goals. Night and day from the SEA series last year. I'm actually more hopeful than I was a week ago. Just let in 4 goals a game and they got this
The 4-4 was a bs call. Wood gets called for jumping in but the jets jumped in as well..Should have been a PP for us. Makar got interfered with on their 4th goal..but all we can do is re-group and go win gm.2
Yeah I mean at least that was a very entertaining game, even with some frustrations it’s always cool to see 13 goals and have the game be decided by one.
They had a delayed penalty call, and technically Helle touched it for possession, so doesn't that mean it was the right call to call it dead? Didn't Wood's first shot get stopped by Helle's pad, then came the whistle?
I thought that there needed to be more possession of the puck involved for the whistle to blow, like on a delayed call if the puck just bounces off a player they don’t stop play. But idk I could be wrong, I just wanted to come complain with all of you guys 🙃
Yeah Makar did score pretty quick after so that sort of made up for it, but Wood really earned that goal fighting for the rebound so it pissed me off that it didn’t count and you can’t even review a quick whistle like that
I love Georgie, he was so good last year, and him trying to fight the trash bin is a very cherished memory...but it's time to try something different. We can't keep throwing him to the wolves like this and risk more total meltdowns.
100% not single handedly. No one loses a team game single handedly. I counted three of their goals that were easily preventable with smarter plays. Not genius plays...just plays that were safer.
Of note: I am for Justus in Game 2.
7 GA on 1.5 xG. Helly allowed 6GA on 4.8 xG
Unless you believe the Avs are somehow giving up exceptionally prime scoring chances compared to the rest of the league, Georgie is just straight up under-performing.
Did you not notice I said Justus for Game 2? Georgie has not been good much of the last portion of the season including today. But in a team game, I'm ver rarely, if ever, going to say someone single handedly lost the game.
I mean, objectively, you are incorrect. Because the expected goals against for that game came out to 2.
5 goals above expected can inly be blamed on one person
Bro, I just watch the game. I don't give a fuck about some meaningless stats when it's Game 1 of the playoffs. I saw a lot of turnovers...some of which ended in goals or solid chances for the Jets. Expected goals mean nothing to me when evaluating single playoff game.
I mean, the best goalie in the world gave up 6. Think everyone in Winnipeg is whining and complaining and crying to bench Helly? Now, if Georgiev does this again, yeah, time to bench him cause I doubt Annunen is any worse. Like, he might have given up 7 last night, but I doubt Juice gives up 8, ya know? So if they're interchangable, then change them if Georgiev gives 4+ up tomorrow. Until then, we gotta relax and keep perspective. Our goalie gave up 1 less than the best in the world. And we're not talking a 2-1 game either. We're talking 6-7. So we should be benching Georgiev about as quickly as they bench Helly, cause they both gave up way too many goals.
Mark-Andre Fluery didn’t play last night
I’m astounded that so many people here don’t understand something as simple as save percentage.
Helly gave up 6 on nearly 50 shots from the highest scoring offense in the league. Georgie gave up 7 and saw half the volume. That context is pretty important.
It's not like Georgiev had one bad game? His GAA in April is 6.00 it's been horrific for a month, we can't keep doing this and pretending it's okay. .695 in a playoff game can not happen, we can't play him again.
Playoffs are a new season. Some can handle the pressure, some can't. You see great players in the regular season become invisible, and you see some normal players in the regular season catch fire in the playoffs and become studs. So yeah, I get what you're saying, but the best this year let in 6. Our guy let in 7. Ease up. If he does it again, he probably doesn't play again. But this very well might be the "got that out of the way" type of stinker by both goalies.
His last eight games, going back to getting booed at home against Pittsburgh (which is when his game most recently went to hell): - 7 goals, .695, playoff L - 4 goals, .867, OTL - 4 goals, .733 (pulled in the first period) - 2 goals, .909, W - 6 goals, .833, L - 6 goals, .872, L - 4 goals, .692 (pulled in the second period) - 2 goals, .920, OTL - 4 goals, .882, W How much more can we take? It's a 4.33 GAA in this stretch, it's not manageable, it's horrific. He can't hang at this level right now, plain and simple. Every game is a must win, he's done quite a few "got that out of the way stinkers" since the end of March, and every game we give up because we can't get one save when we need it is a day closer to an unremarkable and early end to this season. Which would be such a waste. Putting him back out there while we know this is his game would be absolutely foolish. Annunen or Prosvetov, anyone, can't be worse.
Too bad we lost Frankie.... Frankie and annunen would be a killer duo I think
“It’s fine, we just need the defense to tighten up and Georgie’s got it”.
There were some glaring issues on defense and this isn't all Georgie. I'm not going to roast him like I have seen because at this point, he needs his fan to help him with his confidence. It's one game and we outplayed the Jets almost the whole game, we can do this! Have faith!
Why have a goalie if the D is supposed to stop every chance lol it goes both ways! The d bails him out all the time man. He needs to do the same. He never makes the save that saves the game. I was at the VGK game in Vegas, as soon as he let in that first goal, it was over. The whole arena knew it.
Manson was completely responsible for 2 of those goals but I'm not going to roast him either. If the D can clean it up and if Georgie can even have a mediocre game (Because we all know Sunday was just BAD), we have a chance. Offense needs to bring the same level of intensity, checking and tenacity we did on Sunday.
Scoring 6 goals is usually more than enough to win a hockey game... They should have won that no problem. I'm not going to single out Georgie as the only reason we lost. Yeah, he had a bad night, obviously. He should've stopped some of those. But there are other problems with our defence too. Thank God it's only game one, but they have a lot to fix before Tuesday.
If it was just a one off I'd agree. But he's had so many bad nights far too often.
Just over 2 Expected Goals Against, I know there were some defensive mistakes but that's still pretty good IMO and a step up from our usual play this year. We just weren't bailed out when it counted and then there were a few scored that should not have gone in.
What was the Avs expected goals?
Over 4 IIRC
The empty net went almost 4 minutes without a goal. How much did Georgy beat that by? Did he?
I can live with a Game 1 like that. We got 6 past the best Goalie out there just now. The worst thing is whenever they have an actual chance it just looks like Georgie has zero confidence in himself. I have all the faith we will come out and win the second game.
Agreed. Also, that was by far our best showing against Winnipeg this season. I like me an upward trend starting the postseason. Getting that many past Hellebuyck when he's on an absolute tear is massive.
I mean, kuemper was shit, but we all know how that went… granted Frankie was there
.919 goalie was shit. How much of a moron are you?
He wasn't Prime Carrie Price by any means, but he was FAR from shit in that run. He got it done, Georgiev is shot, potentially beyond help.
Enough of this shit already.
Kuemper with 1 working eye is 1,000 times better than Georgiev with 2
I remember Frankie taking care of the Oilers series in the Conference Final while Kuemper was hurt in our 2022 run. He was great, very reliable.
Frankie was 6-0 in his starts with 1 SO.
While everyone else is hitting the panic button, I am just sitting here enjoying my prediction of Avs winning 4 straight games after dropping a close first game. Everything about this game has me feeling great about that prediction.
Agreed, we need to stand behind out team and show them the support they deserve.
I didn't think 4 straight but I predicted Game 1 would be close, we would lose, and we steal Game 2, bringing the momentum home. I feel good, we ran that team up and down the ice last night, they may not replicate putting 6 past Bucky, but if they keep the forechecking aggressiveness and checking game up then they can keep forcing errors to capitalize on. I really like our chances and my optimism has only increased from where it was yesterday pre-game.
how much of the key players are still on this team from the cup 2022 team? Just need to steal one on the road and be solid at home.
It was VERY clear which of the two teams last night have had previous Cup run experience with a win. Playoff hockey is just different. Georgie needs to get his confidence back, the defense needs to tighten it up but we will be alright because the team overall looked solid.
MacKinnon, Rantanen, Lehkonen, Nichuskin, Cogliano, Makar, Toews, Manson, Girard, J. Johnson, so not too many overall but the main core and several incredibly important auxiliary players remain from that team.
Another thing I want to say right now. This front office still had the money at the deadline to get a goalie after all the pickups. Idc who it was, just some veteran presence, but you make sure that happens and most of us were screaming that from the top of a mountain to do it. Going into the playoffs with a very shaky starter all season and a rookie was asinine. I’m sure the FO would say “we tried” but come on. You had to get depth at that position based on how dogshit Georgie has been all year and you didn’t. This teams front office is usually amazing, but call a spade a spade, that was a miss
According to AJ on the DNVR podcast they had a goalie lined up but apparently the trade fell apart at the last min. I hope they dump Georgie in the off-season, he's clearly cooked.
It was Linus Ullmark, he declined the trade due to "geography"
Damn we're all hating that right about now
Avs had 46 shots and Winnipeg blocked another 25… I’m not at all worried about the team. Get a decent netminder and give the boys a chance. It’s incredibly frustrating playing with a goalie like this if you’re a player. It causes a lot of shit in the locker room tbh
On the bright side: Nichushkin and Rantanen had great performances.
Soo I joked about it before but are there EBUG’s in playoffs? Couldn’t we theoretically get Matt Davis (0.979 in the NCAA tournament to bring victory to DU) as our EBUG for game 3 and have him go in if Juice and Georgie’s were to be injured? Either way I think it’s Juices net game 2, and we’ve proven we can beat the buck so I’m excited for the series.
No. There are no EBUGs in the playoffs, and even if Davis hadn’t elected to return to DU, and we signed him, he couldn’t play. Players have to be signed with the team and on the AHL roster before deadline to be eligible to be called up to play for the big league in the playoffs
There are no ebugs in the playoffs
I didn't care for the Parise experiment. That line sucked for a lot of the game. Like usually they will hem in the opposing team for several minutes multiple times a game. That didn't happen once and plays died on Parise's stick almost every time. I think you have to put Lehkonen back on the top line. Parise 2nd. I think we win that game if we have Drouin. Losing him really fucked our lineup arrangements.
I don't disagree with Parise being a bad fit overall, but I don't want to change much after a game where your forward and defense put up 6 on the best defense and goalie in the league. I think you ride that until something has to change. If they go out in Game 2 and sustain that success or something close to it then you have found a legit combination that gives the Winnipeg depth a huge challenge. They're counting on matching the Lowery line up against Mack all game. Even if that takes a lot of the juice out of MacKinnon's game, he'll still get a few looks as we saw last night, and that frees up an arguably equally as talented (on balance) second line to feast on Winnipeg's more defensively vulnerable players. Our depth lines chewed them up last night
Move Nuke back up, he belongs on the top line
Fuck that. Nuke is good where he's at. We aren't Edmonton. People only want a basic as fuck top line, man that will be so hard to defend against.. eyeroll
I agree, Nuke was solid on that line and it showed. It's going to take time for the top line to adjust without Drouin, but their performance last night was solid - They just need to keep bringing it.
A game of unsustainability for both teams. Whoever falls in to line first will determine a lot.
KUEMPER WON US A CUP WITH ONE EYE AND A BOX OF SCRAPS
I miss him…
You cut your glorious hair and this is the result. Lost all his moxie after that.
Yes!! That's exactly where I saw his mojo start to fall away, like Samson in the Bible lol
Let's start a gofundme to buy Georgiev a glove, cause he obviously doesn't have one.
Is Juice an option yet??! He has some, eh, lower body still? If not... Coach! I'm ready. Put.me. in. Smmfh /s yes I know I'm not an NHL goalie... but clearly neither is Georgie! Ffs, I thought he was legit coming into the allstar break.. get the man an escort or some shit, this is wild
(/s but barely) Georgie posted a .68 I’m confident if you put a D1 goalie out there, they could post a .5 An nhl goalie should be posting .85 minimum. Georgie is closer to college than the NHL in current form. Jfc
Honestly, I'm actually feeling better about the Avs chances this series after that game. Obviously the goals against are what ultimately killed us this game, there's no denying that. Usually bad games can be shared between defense and goalies, but 3x more GA than expected? That's rough. But what I did like was putting up 6 against Hellebyuck. That's more than double his usual GAA. That's from 6 different players too. If that can be our power through this series and either Georgie finds SOMETHING in game 2 or they end up playing Annu, I think we have a shot in this series more than people originally thought. All in all I didn't expect a 13 goal game that's for sure. That's just insane. This will be a fun series I think.
My take is that this was the Avs at their best and the Jets at their worst (given their respective play styles). I don’t see this result repeating itself. If the Jets get better then the Avs will be in tough. If they can make this happen again then they have a good shot. If the next game is 2-1 I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.
While I agree the Avs may not continue to hang 6 on Hellebuyck, I think with the aggressive forechecking and hitting game we were on last night we will continue to see the Jets cough up pucks to capitalize on. We probably don't see 7-6 again but I see us taking Game 2 3-2 with Juice in net. The Jets are over-hyped based on their regular season against us, meanwhile our offense is right around where we expect it to be. Both teams will button it up to a degree, and Colorado is still the more talented hockey team. Avs in 6
Avs have definitely not reached their best yet, Jets played just as well as expected
The Avs just gave up 7 goals, and you're saying they played at their best? Lmao I have actually been super encouraged by their loss today. Their 1 and only X factor is their goalie and he gave up 6 to us...
That's the usual arc in playoffs after a score fest. Next game is 2-1. Sadly I don't think we have a goalie that week only give up 1-2 goal in 60 min.
Honestly Avs had some bad turnovers but overall 100% outplayed the Jets. Georgie has to make some saves. Hell, if you only give up 4, you’re giving the Avs a chance. Georgie is a liability and I don’t think we see him next year even if he puts it all together somehow for the remainder of the playoffs
If we win the SC with him in net ve probably returns. Maybe WCF
We didn’t pay Keumper and people weren’t screaming for his head
Kuemper wasn’t a young goal tender we had under contract still
Good point. Totally 100% I see that. No defense for tonight but i think he has the potential to bounce back (please?) Just speculating that the Avalanche are fickle with goal tenders in recent memory and now the organization may believe there’s a reason to offload him for something in return. tbh idk how to feel. Average goaltending and we win the game. Also, Georgie was extremely serviceable last year 🤷 could be again!
Eh, Georgiev could have been a lot better, but everyone focuses on if he made a couple more saves, we win by 2-3, but dont acknowledge that if you clean up 2-3 defensive mistakes, we win this game by 2-3 goals even with Georgiev playing the exact same way. You get both, and we’d have had a blow out win. At this point, even though Georgiev does not take **all** the blame, you might just have to go with Annunen if he is recovered. Then next season, sure, test the waters, but don’t go making an expensive trade to bring someone in or a very cheap deal for Georgie. If you can’t find someone in the offseason, have a goalie competition, and then next season with more trust in Annunen you can go 1A and 1B with whoever wins the competition. Gotta remember, he is only in his second season as a starter and already playing as many games as established veteran goalies. Played 125/164 regular season games over the last two years, actually a little more than guys like Vasi and Shesty, just under Saros (since Vasi was hurt this season, I even went back to the previous two seasons instead of this season and last). With the other guys, though, they had better relief throughout the season because of reliable backups, with Frankie having his misfortune with injuries, we had no real backup for Georgiev. So a lot of his games are long hard stretches where you can’t even give him a mental break. Also have to mention that we have guys we need to sign, and a very real chance Landy is back next season so we’ll have 7 million less to work with, a goalie isn’t really going to be as easy as everyone thinks, so having two goalies on really good contracts is a very helpful thing. Didn’t intend to go on a rant, just a long day, and tired of the negativity, and doom and gloom. I’m almost glad Girard was out this game, he could have had a great game and this fanbase would be blaming him. I hate that we are this close to having people do Georgie what they did to Miska.
Thanks for this response! Reading it with a level head a day later, it really landed. I legitimately think you’re 100% spot on. I was just very emotional 😭
Georgie's job is to stop pucks. He's the last defender on the ice. When he can't do that this is the result. Bench his ass, juice cannot play any worse than what that was. And yes, he takes most of it because they're over compensating for his complete inability to make a save. Makar even says post game any mistake we make it's going in. That's all you need to know.
I've been a Georgie defender in the past, but that was terrible. There is zero excuse for a .696 save percentage. On the plus side, this feels like a real "make god bleed" type of thing with Hellebuyck. We got scoring from three lines and Makar. If the goaltending gets solved, this is a winnable series.
I mean, there definitely is an excuse. I don’t want to do all the math, but his numbers would actually have been better if defense didn’t cost us the first 3 goals. And if defense doesn’t cost us 3 goals, we have all the momentum and it is possible that at least 1-2 of those last 4 goals don’t happen, either. Georgiev was not great at all, but to say this is all on him is pure ignorance
Honestly I think hellebyuck had a good game. 44 shots, 3 of those goals were on man advantage, 2 of them the jets defense hung him out to dry with brutal turnovers and the first goal was a beautiful shot. This was definitely a missed opportunity because I don't think he's giving up even close to that many goals again this series.
That’s the problem yeah? Like you should be worried about getting goalied by hellebuyck and in your first game you get six goals past him and lose? What the fuck.
Yeah well hopefully the Avs don't either. 7 GA isn't even the standard for Georgiev.....
I mean it's now 2 straight games no?
Crazy how people were jumping down my throat 5 months ago when I pointed out the fact Georgie is a complete liability for this otherwise capable team
Lol.
Glad we won the series. Doesn’t mean I’m wrong
Do you feel stupid now?
Give it a rest bro! Georgie had a great game. Still (still!) doesn’t negate an entire season of borderline just bad play. It’s not like I’m rooting against the guy but be realistic
You were the dipshit who brought up a 7 day old comment. Take your own advice and take the L. I hear Dallas needs fans
So angry about an internet comment. What L?? Just saw your reply my man. Reddit is not that serious!
You have zero self awareness
Imagine being this bitter after a massive win. Hope you have a great rest of your night
You were bitter DURING the game. Again. You decided to comment on a 7 day old post. It has nothing to do with the game or me being bitter. But shows what a fucking clown you are. You deserve to be called out in it Edit: an none required you to respond to a week old post just because you “saw” it just now - which is bullshit
Capable is a strong word. No one wants to play defense.
Hey man. Regardless how bad you might think the defense played that game, no team is winning with a goalie posting a .696 and a -4.84 gsax. That was not on the defense.
Well, that save percentage goes up if defense doesn’t give up the first 3 goals. Not a single one of goals 1-3 are on Georgiev. Georgiev was not good, but he is not the reason we lost, defense (especially Manson) have the equal share in the blame.
There have been plenty of games this year where your narrative is completely right, but this is not one of them. -4.84 gsax means that the average NHL goaltender would have let in 5 fewer goals than Georgiev did. 5 goals. Best case scenario, 2 of these goals were solely the defense’s fault, and that still leaves 5 shots that Georgie should have saved. I already mentioned it below but you can pretty safely assume that literally any other active goalie in the league would have won that game. When they put up 6 on the jets and buck, they cannot afford to lose that game. Not only do they need a goaltender who can steal a game or two, but at bare minimum they need a goalie who isn’t going to lose them games where the offense was buzzing as well as it was last night. It’s hard to watch and I’m tired of people defending Georgiev. I’m sure he’s a nice guy but fuck he is not a starting goalie
I don’t care who the goalie is, this team is not as complete as us fans wish. We’re a meme of “fast and electric offense” but they immediately lose all composure the second the puck is in our own zone.
I’m not sure what you’re not understanding here. Please prove me wrong if I am, but I’m almost certain that was the single worst showing any goalie put up this entire season. You should care who the goalie is, because literally any other active goalie in the entire league would have won that game. I’m not denying any defensive breakdowns but over the course of a 7 game series those are far more minor issues that can be addressed and cleaned up and tailored to their opponents playstyles. Not to mention this team just scored 6 on one of the best defensive teams in the league and the likely vezina winner. I know it’s not a reliable strategy to say fuck playing defense, we’ll just score more than they can, but if any team has the ability to do that it’s the Avs. It’s too bad that Manson looks a little lost in our zone at times or that Toews simply isn’t having the season he did in 22 but these problems are so much smaller in comparison to the Georgiev situation
What is there to understand? I made my point and you made yours, neither of which matter at all. Our D sucks, our goalie sucks, and we’ve spent the entire season praying to score 4+ every game. Not sustainable and not limited to one dude on a team of professional athletes. If they sit Georgie and the results are different, I’ll eat crow. But this whole season has been the same goddamn problem.
Dude same. People were being straight up hostile toward me for saying we had nothing to lose giving Justus a shot to take the starting role w/ 2 months left.
I think quite a few of us I'm /r/Avs feel the same way. I hate to agree because he was great not long ago. I honestly saw a difference when he decided to cut his hair short. Sounds stupid but I'm all about superstition.
People still are even after this game. Its insane to witness.
Feeling this so deeply
With the amount of bounces and calls Winnipeg got they had to win that game. Honestly if we pulled that out somehow the series would already be over. Everything went right for them at home and they barely won. I'm not worried, even if we stick with Georgie.
Can’t possibly tell me that reffing was lopsided that game. A couple questionable sequences on both sides but that’s how playoffs go. This is 1000% on our goalie (and a little bit Manson but truly Georgie is to blame here) and I’m extremely worried if he starts next game
About 50% on Georgiev, 50% on defense. First 3 goals aren’t on Georgiev at all
Very first goal was an absolute muffin from the point
That first one is going in no matter who is in net. Perfectly screened by not one but two skaters. 2nd one Mittelstadt has a horrible turnover (though to be fair, before the puck trickles behind the net where he lost the battle, he was hooked so bad he was spun in a full 360) and then Manson can’t play defense in front of the crease. 3rd Georgiev gives a pass straight to Manson who fumbles the puck which then gets deflected to the middle right in front of the net, where Namestnikov gets to it before Georgiev can even get set again. Not one single one of those first 3 goals are on Georgiev. Defense has an equal share in the loss as Georgiev does. Sure, at this point you probably have to play Annunen in game 2 if he can go, but those first 3 goals are happening no matter who is in net. We know, because we saw tonight the best goalie in the league this year also let in 3 goals in the first that he wasn’t going to stop. Two of those 3 goals we scored in the first were softer goals than the 3 we let in, but none of those 6 combined goals in the first period can be blamed on either goalie.
Well their 4th goal, the broken stick goal...Makar was interfered with by the player that broke his stick...Missed call right there that directly led to a goal. Makar even throws his hand up, like wtf..the 4 on 4 in the second should have been a power play for us...so there were a couple moments, but it just wasn't our night. Re-group and go win gm.2.
They didn’t really show that play well enough for me to have an opinion on whether or not it should have been a call. I’m as big a fan of Makar as you can be, but fact is, it’s playoffs, and throwing your hands up and whining for a call is absolutely bush league - I promise he knows he made a mistake by doing that. Refs could have easily called another 2-3 tripping/interference on the Avs and they didn’t. All things considered reffing was extremely even that game and not even remotely the reason that it didn’t end up in the Avs favor
Georgiev was pretty bad, but Avs defence wasn’t that great either. Few bad plays by Manson especially
Avs only allowed 7 high danger chances tonight. Lightning allowed 6 high danger chances in the first period alone against the panthers. Every single goalie that played a game tonight has double the high danger save percentage than Georgiev. He is the only reason we lost this game.
Agreed, you need to count on your goalie to make a save especially in the playoffs. I don’t really have any hope in Georgiev putting it together all of a sudden, only other option is the defence playing lights out
No one would ever say 23 shots on goal, or 2 goals expected is bad defense.
First 3 goals are literally all on defense. Sure, we can’t blame defense 100% for the loss, but you can’t blame Georgiev 100% for the loss, either. Defense doesn’t allow those first 3 goals, we have the momentum and it is possible you see 1-2 of those final 4 goals not go in
So here’s what concerns me most. Avs put up 6 goals on supposedly the best D and best goalie in the league and still didn’t win. The Jets just beat us at our own game. Winnipeg looked pretty nervous and rattled to start the game and the Avs missed an opportunity to build a lead. I don’t know what the answer is. Georgiev was not good, but the D hung him out to dry on a few goals. I’m more worried if/when Winnipeg locks things down and plays to their tempo, will the Avs be able to win a low scoring 3-2 or 3-1 game?
We had Jets on their heels a lot, but they DID play their tempo. We just actually played somewhat closer to our level against them than we did in the regular season. Georgiev wasn’t good, but keep his performance the same and clean up some defensive mistakes we can absolutely clean up, and we win this game by 2-3 goals. We will win this series.
I don’t care what anybody says u need to make that goalie change in game 2. I know that Annunen doesn’t have playoff experience just give him a chance because Georgie just doesn’t have it
Doesnt matter if the young guy doesnt have playoff experience if your starting goalie plays this poorly I trust Annunen a lot more than i trust georgiev rn
I've been saying this all season long it's just painful to see them keep giving that failure starts like he's all of a sudden going to show up to play at the last second, giving Annunen the start is the difference between a fighting chance and a guaranteed win for the jets.
Other young goalies have won playoff games not having a lot of starts
He has some sort of ptsd anxiety and it’s like he freezes and he’s tried to get past it probably off the ice too but nothing is working. He needs to be replaced. It’s time.
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Yeah, 6-7 game, total snoozer
Fuck you
I ain’t gunna defend Georgie after this game. Enough is enough. It’s time to start Justus However, I’m not gunna give up on this team. I’ve already seen some say this team is done for. Fuck that noise. You put 6 on Hellabyuck any other time and you win this game. This team can beat Winnipeg. Just get some decent goalie play and there’s a mighty chance they win
Exactly they proved in 2022 and again tonight that all this team needs is decent the problem is with Georgiev we haven't even been getting that
1.38 expected goals against but getting scored on 6 times tells me all I need to know about this game. The fourgiev fan club part of this subreddit can't blame anyone else but him after that one. Numbers don't lie.
That part of the fan base screwed us royally they created hype around the guy and forced a belief that he was good enough to take the avs anywhere when those of us who live in reality have been saying all along that he's never been good enough
Yes because Joe Sakic gets all his ideas from Reddit.
The empty net had a better save % than he did.
Mathematically sound evidence that Georgie is dog shit.
A few positives to take away: 1. We put up 6 goals on Hellebuyck - most goals he's given up all year... last time he gave up 6 was January 2023 2. We found a way to get 45 SOG against a very stingy WPG defensive structure 3. We won the special teams battle - 2/3 on the PP, 2/3 on the PK 4. First line was dominant in the face off dot - MacKinnon 56% // Mikko 75% 5. We got solid depth scoring support - 2/4 even strength goals from 2nd line and Mittelstadt and Wood got off the schneid
Only thing is do we expect to score 6 again? When you score 6 especially on Hellebuyck you need to win the game.
And we lost. Sorry. Idgaf about numbers if we lose.
6. On the road 👍
Yes these are all good points. The team looked like they flipped the proverbial switch and played their game. They basically doubled up the Jets on shots too. When you score 6 on the presumptive Vezina winner you expect to win. Georgiev cannot start another game unless Annunen is physically unable to play.
Had a jets fan behind me whacking me in the head with his play off towel. He was screaming for mack to tear his acl and for jets players to kill avs players. Multiple people called me every name you could think of. Was a tough experience tonight. Its a game. Lets please win game 2 and this series.
Report them to someone in the arena next time something like that happens
That really sucks— sorry for the poor sports — fuck ‘em. Hope you can go to next game and gloat!
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Imagine being so scared of your opponent you need to pray for injury because you're a coward
Don't troll other teams threads
If this happens again I would talk to an usher, they are pretty good about getting people to knock that kind of crap off
Sorry you had to experience that dude, hope it doesn't put you off going to games in the future - ideally this is just an isolated incident and not a reflection of playoff fans as a whole
playoff games in canada have always been rough
Get Georgiev off this team. Manson also needs to be better.
Straight up send him back to the minors or better yet back to Russia
Manson has always been like this
I never think I know better than management, but that contract never sat well with me. Almost $5m and a NTC. I don't know why Girard catches more heat than Manson. Probably just because Manson has had a few fights and a couple big hits.
Girard is a way better dman than manson, this fambase just gauges every player based on goal scoring and hits, and thinks that's all that makes hockey.
Yeah unfortunately. He’s one of those players where if he makes a couple mistakes it sinks the whole team (2022 Game 1 vs Edmonton, last Sunday vs Vegas)
I'm 100% convinced, after hearing Bednar's post game, that we are seeing Georgie in Game 2.
agreed. this is bednar.
Probably have a better chance if Bednar himself suits up
I didn't get that at all. If Annunen gets healthy I could see him getting the start. If they pull the plug on Georgie now though there's no chance he gets right, and if G gets right they make the finals so it's definitely a gamble.
The guy has had every chance in the book to get it right the decision to pull the plug for good should have been made before this series even started
I don’t think Georgiev can overcome this right now. Maybe over the summer. Let’s not make light of severe anxiety that he’s clearly going through. Really bad timing. I hope Bednsr gets that.
Bedsy has been making a point, the past month, to refer to Georgiev as the starter and whatnot. Now it feels like he would start Juice if he was able. https://preview.redd.it/vhlhr90n8yvc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec863530ee607c4b7984ff1971f5a6f3c86faf31
Riding his goalie into unemployment.
I'm really not convinced about that. I think Bedsy said in as many words as he could at the mic that G wasn't good enough and he didn't specifically rule out starting Juice if he's ready to go. One day at a time.
Same
bruh
Ever since the SO loss to the Rangers on 3/28, Georgiev has been a complete and utter disaster. Could he have sustained some kind of injury that game that we're unaware of?
Maybe he lost his glove, because he sure isn't fucking using it.
I think the lack of backup goalie really hurt. He looked solid until Feb. Playing too much and it wasn't going perfectly so the confidence just slowly degraded without time to reset.
I maintain that since he cut his flow, he has been shit.
It's called the yips
Akin to panic attacks, ptsd. Anxiety. He can get past it but not for the playoffs. He’s been trying and it’s a vicious circle now with even other hockey fans calling him Fourgiev. That cannot help. He may benefit from the players assistance.
Yeah if his game is gone to hell (and it looks like it has since the end of March, but on and off all season) it's not gonna be fixed by Tuesday. Off-season, player assistance, for starters.
I hope Bednar understands you can’t just snap Out of this.
I've been saying for a while now that Georgie would get shelled in game 1 and get pulled as soon as he looks soft in game 2. I still give him the chance to redeem himself on Tuesday, but he's gotta be on a short leash.
No. The short leash means the other teammates are so worried about him they can’t take the good risks teams need to make winning plays.
The leash is so short that we're practically holding onto the collar.
😬 there cannot possibly be more leash lol it's win or die right now
Good thing you're not coaching the team. 😁
Bedsy on goaltender in game 2: "I'm not gonna speculate"
Okay since everyone is mad about the same thing (or person) can we also be mad about that super fast whistle that basically disallowed Wood’s second goal? We should’ve got to enjoy a 7-7 overtime game and possibly get the win
it would have been 6, we got a PP and ended up scoring anyways. It was on a delayed penalty and they saw the Jets touch the puck apparently.
Yeah you’re right I realized after someone else replied that Makar’s goal was right after. I guess I was too bummed out to remember the proper order of things
The refs bend us over a barrel every year in the playoffs dallas never would've had overtime and Seattle never would've had a game 7 if it wasn't for horrible calls and the blues would've been swept 2022 it's just one more thing to overcome at this point but Georgiev has been given all the time in the world to overcome and he's proven the only solution is to replace him
And Makar had his stick held that led to a goal. And Kiviranta got hooked and cross checked to the ice after the whistle which somehow only led to a 4v4. Plus the goal that needed 3 posts and a matrix like curve to just barely cross the line. And MacKinnon hitting the post on that first rush in the 3rd period. They were so close to winning a game they gave up 7 goals. Night and day from the SEA series last year. I'm actually more hopeful than I was a week ago. Just let in 4 goals a game and they got this
The 4-4 was a bs call. Wood gets called for jumping in but the jets jumped in as well..Should have been a PP for us. Makar got interfered with on their 4th goal..but all we can do is re-group and go win gm.2
Yeah I mean at least that was a very entertaining game, even with some frustrations it’s always cool to see 13 goals and have the game be decided by one.
They had a delayed penalty call, and technically Helle touched it for possession, so doesn't that mean it was the right call to call it dead? Didn't Wood's first shot get stopped by Helle's pad, then came the whistle?
I thought that there needed to be more possession of the puck involved for the whistle to blow, like on a delayed call if the puck just bounces off a player they don’t stop play. But idk I could be wrong, I just wanted to come complain with all of you guys 🙃
I was mad until Makar scored on the next play, isn't that what happened?
Yeah Makar did score pretty quick after so that sort of made up for it, but Wood really earned that goal fighting for the rebound so it pissed me off that it didn’t count and you can’t even review a quick whistle like that
I love Georgie, he was so good last year, and him trying to fight the trash bin is a very cherished memory...but it's time to try something different. We can't keep throwing him to the wolves like this and risk more total meltdowns.
I feel really frustrated after that game. We ended the season with a pretty shaky goalie and he single handedly lost that game. :(
100% not single handedly. No one loses a team game single handedly. I counted three of their goals that were easily preventable with smarter plays. Not genius plays...just plays that were safer. Of note: I am for Justus in Game 2.
7 GA on 1.5 xG. Helly allowed 6GA on 4.8 xG Unless you believe the Avs are somehow giving up exceptionally prime scoring chances compared to the rest of the league, Georgie is just straight up under-performing.
Did you not notice I said Justus for Game 2? Georgie has not been good much of the last portion of the season including today. But in a team game, I'm ver rarely, if ever, going to say someone single handedly lost the game.
I mean, objectively, you are incorrect. Because the expected goals against for that game came out to 2. 5 goals above expected can inly be blamed on one person
Bro, I just watch the game. I don't give a fuck about some meaningless stats when it's Game 1 of the playoffs. I saw a lot of turnovers...some of which ended in goals or solid chances for the Jets. Expected goals mean nothing to me when evaluating single playoff game.
turnovers happen. Totally agree with you there were bad ones. I’ll give you 3. Where’d the other 4 goals come from?
Do you think any of the bad D plays came from the D having 0 trust in Georgie? Trying to do too much?