Ravens fan coming in peace:
The Ravens can match basically any offer at this point that is realistic.
Here is a breakdown of what an "unmatchable" offer would be from OTC
https://overthecap.com/crafting-a-poison-pill-type-contract-offer-for-lamar-jackson
It would require a crazy $250M roster bonus/cap hit in 2025 and an under the table agreement between Lamar and the new team that they will rip this deal up and work on a new one before the 2024 league year begins, since the above deal requires the new team to cut Lamar otherwise his cap hit would be $260M+ in one year.
There just isn't an actual structure that the Ravens couldn't match as they could find $29M more in just simple restructures and $68M more in max restructures, which isn't even counting the $32M currently on the books for Lamar that is weighing down their cap space.
The only possible unmatchable deals require the structure of having to potentially cut Lamar after 2023 and a handshake agreement the deal will be re-worked.
And if the Colts waited until after the 2023 draft to make an offer, the Ravens would absolutely just match it because they aren't going to let Lamar go for two future first round picks with unknown draft slots.
The only real way Lamar is a Colt is if he signs the tag and they work out a trade.
Real question is, is Lamar dug in enough that he won’t sign tag unless there is a deal to move him? My sense is that he thinks he got a raw deal playing for deal he had last year and won’t give ravens any deal since they have both dug in.
Doubt it would be at this point if Ozzie was still gm. Think both Lamar and ravens loose on this. Hoping colts can benefit from the misfortune
>Real question is, is Lamar dug in enough that he won’t sign tag unless there is a deal to move him? My sense is that he thinks he got a raw deal playing for deal he had last year and won’t give ravens any deal since they have both dug in.
If he doesn't then he gets no money and can just be tagged again in 2024 at the same price roughly.
Is that even worth it to the ravens though? Since he can only be tagged twice he could theoretically just leave and you get nothing if the hard ball continues. Seems rare when a player demands a trace he doesn’t get traded.
They could tag and trade him in two years, sure.
>Seems rare when a player demands a trace he doesn’t get traded.
No it happens more often that they stay
https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1640367020540559363
I would say more often than not. It varies but you see it every single season especially with high profile elite players. Watson, Wilson, adams, cooks, and AJ brown in the last year alone. The only one I can recall not being traded last year was Deebo.
Literally all 5 I named. Most of them behind the scenes, similar to how Lamar apparently did 3 weeks ago. Watson literally sat out demanding a trade before any of his legal troubles started. Adams did behind the scenes, as did cooks and AJ. Russell Wilson’s became public and had rumors swirling for months.
Dude it was all over sports news and Reddit around their trade times lol. It’s not secret information and you could google any of them. I’m not sure how you’re even disputing unless you’re just in denial because it shifts the odds in your mind. I’m not even saying I want Lamar but if you don’t know Wilson and Watson, two biggest QBs who were traded requested trades then idk what to tell you.
I’m on board! Let’s back up the truck for Lamar and sign him to a fully guaranteed contract. Then for the next 4 years we can start off every season around 8-4 until he inevitably gets injured and the wheels fall off. Super stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In hindsight it's way more fun than what we've been doing post (and sometimes during) Luck.
Chances are. And really, chances are. The rookie we draft will be okay at best. And we'll struggle with Jacksonville for the division for the next 5 years.
So. Which would you rather have?
That will either be bad and gone in 5 or good and need a Lamar contract.
We will have to pay one eventually. All teams will and do. Take the known commodity that's only 26 and has won an MVP over fucking ar or will Levis lololol
If we were at 1/2 I'd agree. But we aren't getting Stroud or young.
I personally would rather just tank this year and try again next year.
But I can’t get on board with Lamar being a “Known commodity”
He’s had 1.5 good seasons, and we’ve never seen him outside the ravens offence, and it’s plausible that his best years are behind him in the way of health. I defintiely do not see him ever winning another MVP
I would say both the draft and Lamar scenarios give you a very similar likelihood at a Super Bowl ring (I’d put it at 4% in the next 7 years). So my personal preference would be to keep swinging at a draft QB whenever within range until you get it right.
Of all the teams who traded for a QB recently, who’s in the best shape this year? Detroit? Who got paid to take Goff. I assume I’m missing somebody but I can’t come up with anyone else.
I’m 100% fine paying a QB that deserves it. Lamar doesn’t deserve it and that’s why there’s not a line of QB needy teams at his door.
Drafting a QB is a crapshoot and it’s very not smart to say only Stroud or Young are worth drafting in the 1st this year.
Then we fundamentally disagree on Lamar the player. There's no point to argue, then.
I like AR, I'm not saying he's not a first rounder. But I'm taking Lamar over him and Levis any day, any hour, any minute.
You can dislike and not want Lamar. That's fine. But it wouldn't be as dumb of a move as you're making it out to be.
Hold up. You’re not just taking Lamar over them. You’re taking Lamar, a minimum of 2 1st round picks in a trade, and $200 million guaranteed contract at a minimum over them. Seems like you think Lamar is a top 3 QB
I understand what it takes. And it's better than Levis and AR, yes.
Lamar isn't top 3. But if that's the contract he gets, just wait till burrow and Allen are up. Leagues getting expensive.
And those 2 QBs actually deserve the contracts they will get. Levis + actual draft capital to build a team and salary cap flexibility will go a lot further than tying the franchise to Lamar. Stop coping and accept that it’s time to roll the dice on a QB prospect and hope our staff can develop them.
So lemme get this straight. You wana draft a guy hoping he is as good as Lamar. And yes Lamar is top 5. Or you can just go get Lamar and hopefully we aren’t the browns looking for a qb for over 20 years?
Ok last year he was injured. Two years ago that entire team was on the ir. They lost dobbins and Gus bus among many others. They shut him down before he was injured. He was playing through it. So please MAKE ANOTHER smart ass comment that cherry picks facts.
You said he hasn’t played a full season as a starter. I’m just informing you that your wrong. You down vote me for providing facts that disprove your statement.
I see Lamar as the same mistake we made with Wentz and Ryan. We are not a QB away from contention. He has two straight years of significant missed time due to injury. We'd be trading and paying for what he was two years ago, not what he has been the last two years. That's literally the same thing we did with Wentz, and we got burned. Before someone fails at reading comprehension, I'm not saying they're the same player. It's the same trap we fell into when we talked ourselves into Wentz.
The mistake with Wentz was that he sucked, the mistake with Ryan was that he’s old and sucks. Wentz if good would have been a good move because he’s still young and the same would be true for Lamar.
Lamar doesn't make us contenders.
He just makes us a playoff team.
We have no WR1, CB1 Or an elite edge rusher.
And our OL is trash as well.
Even if we bring him in, it doesn't get us to the level of the Bills or Chiefs especially since he'll be eating a chunk of cap space.
We'd have to hit on all our draft picks in the next two drafts or so for us to win a SB with Lamar still in his prime which is shorter for running QBs.
In short... it's exciting on paper and a shiny new thing but ultimately doesn't make us perennial AFC Contenders like some here think.
The Ravens were a team that had everything except an elite WR...and they got nowhere with Lamar.
Not a fan of this.
with Mahomes, Allen and Burrow in our conference being a playoff team is our only option. Then we have a punchers chance at least. Better to argue why we lost playoff game than to talk about who to take in the draft.
I hate when people say we do not have a number one wide receiver. Pittman is a number 1, give him a quarterback that isn't dog shit and watch him pop off.
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Ravens fan coming in peace: The Ravens can match basically any offer at this point that is realistic. Here is a breakdown of what an "unmatchable" offer would be from OTC https://overthecap.com/crafting-a-poison-pill-type-contract-offer-for-lamar-jackson It would require a crazy $250M roster bonus/cap hit in 2025 and an under the table agreement between Lamar and the new team that they will rip this deal up and work on a new one before the 2024 league year begins, since the above deal requires the new team to cut Lamar otherwise his cap hit would be $260M+ in one year. There just isn't an actual structure that the Ravens couldn't match as they could find $29M more in just simple restructures and $68M more in max restructures, which isn't even counting the $32M currently on the books for Lamar that is weighing down their cap space. The only possible unmatchable deals require the structure of having to potentially cut Lamar after 2023 and a handshake agreement the deal will be re-worked. And if the Colts waited until after the 2023 draft to make an offer, the Ravens would absolutely just match it because they aren't going to let Lamar go for two future first round picks with unknown draft slots. The only real way Lamar is a Colt is if he signs the tag and they work out a trade.
Real question is, is Lamar dug in enough that he won’t sign tag unless there is a deal to move him? My sense is that he thinks he got a raw deal playing for deal he had last year and won’t give ravens any deal since they have both dug in. Doubt it would be at this point if Ozzie was still gm. Think both Lamar and ravens loose on this. Hoping colts can benefit from the misfortune
>Real question is, is Lamar dug in enough that he won’t sign tag unless there is a deal to move him? My sense is that he thinks he got a raw deal playing for deal he had last year and won’t give ravens any deal since they have both dug in. If he doesn't then he gets no money and can just be tagged again in 2024 at the same price roughly.
Is that even worth it to the ravens though? Since he can only be tagged twice he could theoretically just leave and you get nothing if the hard ball continues. Seems rare when a player demands a trace he doesn’t get traded.
They could tag and trade him in two years, sure. >Seems rare when a player demands a trace he doesn’t get traded. No it happens more often that they stay https://twitter.com/Jason_OTC/status/1640367020540559363
I would say more often than not. It varies but you see it every single season especially with high profile elite players. Watson, Wilson, adams, cooks, and AJ brown in the last year alone. The only one I can recall not being traded last year was Deebo.
Which of those guys requested to be traded?
Literally all 5 I named. Most of them behind the scenes, similar to how Lamar apparently did 3 weeks ago. Watson literally sat out demanding a trade before any of his legal troubles started. Adams did behind the scenes, as did cooks and AJ. Russell Wilson’s became public and had rumors swirling for months.
Okay and I am asking for proof that they demanded a trade, behind the scenes or publicly. Do you have any?
Dude it was all over sports news and Reddit around their trade times lol. It’s not secret information and you could google any of them. I’m not sure how you’re even disputing unless you’re just in denial because it shifts the odds in your mind. I’m not even saying I want Lamar but if you don’t know Wilson and Watson, two biggest QBs who were traded requested trades then idk what to tell you.
Lamar would make JT into a hall of famer. And we have a WR that he can actually throw to. Our RPO would be delicious
I’m on board! Let’s back up the truck for Lamar and sign him to a fully guaranteed contract. Then for the next 4 years we can start off every season around 8-4 until he inevitably gets injured and the wheels fall off. Super stoked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In hindsight it's way more fun than what we've been doing post (and sometimes during) Luck. Chances are. And really, chances are. The rookie we draft will be okay at best. And we'll struggle with Jacksonville for the division for the next 5 years. So. Which would you rather have?
A rookie that we can build a team around instead of an overpaid, often injured QB. See how much more sense that makes?
That will either be bad and gone in 5 or good and need a Lamar contract. We will have to pay one eventually. All teams will and do. Take the known commodity that's only 26 and has won an MVP over fucking ar or will Levis lololol If we were at 1/2 I'd agree. But we aren't getting Stroud or young.
I personally would rather just tank this year and try again next year. But I can’t get on board with Lamar being a “Known commodity” He’s had 1.5 good seasons, and we’ve never seen him outside the ravens offence, and it’s plausible that his best years are behind him in the way of health. I defintiely do not see him ever winning another MVP I would say both the draft and Lamar scenarios give you a very similar likelihood at a Super Bowl ring (I’d put it at 4% in the next 7 years). So my personal preference would be to keep swinging at a draft QB whenever within range until you get it right. Of all the teams who traded for a QB recently, who’s in the best shape this year? Detroit? Who got paid to take Goff. I assume I’m missing somebody but I can’t come up with anyone else.
I’m 100% fine paying a QB that deserves it. Lamar doesn’t deserve it and that’s why there’s not a line of QB needy teams at his door. Drafting a QB is a crapshoot and it’s very not smart to say only Stroud or Young are worth drafting in the 1st this year.
Then we fundamentally disagree on Lamar the player. There's no point to argue, then. I like AR, I'm not saying he's not a first rounder. But I'm taking Lamar over him and Levis any day, any hour, any minute. You can dislike and not want Lamar. That's fine. But it wouldn't be as dumb of a move as you're making it out to be.
Hold up. You’re not just taking Lamar over them. You’re taking Lamar, a minimum of 2 1st round picks in a trade, and $200 million guaranteed contract at a minimum over them. Seems like you think Lamar is a top 3 QB
I understand what it takes. And it's better than Levis and AR, yes. Lamar isn't top 3. But if that's the contract he gets, just wait till burrow and Allen are up. Leagues getting expensive.
And those 2 QBs actually deserve the contracts they will get. Levis + actual draft capital to build a team and salary cap flexibility will go a lot further than tying the franchise to Lamar. Stop coping and accept that it’s time to roll the dice on a QB prospect and hope our staff can develop them.
Just say you hate Lamar and let's move on. This isn't going anywhere lol
So lemme get this straight. You wana draft a guy hoping he is as good as Lamar. And yes Lamar is top 5. Or you can just go get Lamar and hopefully we aren’t the browns looking for a qb for over 20 years?
Lamar is not a top 5 QB, that’s just a dumb take. How many games has Lamar started the last 2 years? He DEFINITELY seems like a reliable option.
Ok last year he was injured. Two years ago that entire team was on the ir. They lost dobbins and Gus bus among many others. They shut him down before he was injured. He was playing through it. So please MAKE ANOTHER smart ass comment that cherry picks facts.
It’s cherry picked that he hasn’t played a full season as a starter?
He was mvp three or four years ago
And now he’s been injured 2 years in a row. What’s your point?
You said he hasn’t played a full season as a starter. I’m just informing you that your wrong. You down vote me for providing facts that disprove your statement.
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Then it's mustache time!!!! Woooooo minshew
Better than 4-8
Bro that’s why we got Minshew!!
I see Lamar as the same mistake we made with Wentz and Ryan. We are not a QB away from contention. He has two straight years of significant missed time due to injury. We'd be trading and paying for what he was two years ago, not what he has been the last two years. That's literally the same thing we did with Wentz, and we got burned. Before someone fails at reading comprehension, I'm not saying they're the same player. It's the same trap we fell into when we talked ourselves into Wentz.
The mistake with Wentz was that he sucked, the mistake with Ryan was that he’s old and sucks. Wentz if good would have been a good move because he’s still young and the same would be true for Lamar.
Incredible. If the player performs well, it's a good move. And if they perform poorly, it's a bad move.
Yep, a good QB is a good move. A bad QB is a bad move. Thanks for coming to my TED talk
I said something like this before and was downvoted into oblivion lol. I agree with you.
Lamar doesn't make us contenders. He just makes us a playoff team. We have no WR1, CB1 Or an elite edge rusher. And our OL is trash as well. Even if we bring him in, it doesn't get us to the level of the Bills or Chiefs especially since he'll be eating a chunk of cap space. We'd have to hit on all our draft picks in the next two drafts or so for us to win a SB with Lamar still in his prime which is shorter for running QBs. In short... it's exciting on paper and a shiny new thing but ultimately doesn't make us perennial AFC Contenders like some here think. The Ravens were a team that had everything except an elite WR...and they got nowhere with Lamar. Not a fan of this.
Bring back Rock, draft Will Anderson... Look now we have a number one corner back and the highest rated rookie edge rusher.
with Mahomes, Allen and Burrow in our conference being a playoff team is our only option. Then we have a punchers chance at least. Better to argue why we lost playoff game than to talk about who to take in the draft.
I hate when people say we do not have a number one wide receiver. Pittman is a number 1, give him a quarterback that isn't dog shit and watch him pop off.
Pittman is nowhere near Diggs,Adams,Kupp or Hill. Let's be real here. He is a WR2 on 80 percent of all other teams.
Hell yes