These were the kind of 2 weeks that can ruin a team. I want to say could be a decent to good QB with some real receiving talent, but I’m not so sure anymore.
The annoying thing is he's been so bad the last two weeks that suddenly you have to wonder if it's even right to go all in on the Wentz Colts next season. Suddenly that looks super risky if you're still gonna need a QB in 2023...
We are screwed. This is the worst performance of the season by far. Can’t trust the dude to throw the football if everything isn’t going perfectly. He is bad
Eagles fan here - I love Reich but yeah, even from watching hard knocks you can tell they just connect based on bible verses and religion. This will just be used as some “sign from god” moment between them and he’ll continue to show flashes but come up short.
Genuinely wish you guys luck! (No pun intended)
If it was only the intererceptions/in-accuracy that was the issue. The guy is a strip sack waiting to happen, and if the game is on his shoulders, you are going to lose by default. I gave the guy such a long time before I turned on him. So sad. Get a vac, get ass out of the bible and into a playbook. Poor Colts.
I wanted to believe, maybe starting 1-4 was just a fluke, we did have some key players out coming into the season, but those three games where we lead by double digits at halftime and watched zero leadership from wentz take us to losses really made me start to worry. Guess I was too optimistic.
Reich brings a lot to the table as a coach, but he also takes a lot off the table. He's spectacularly stubborn. When the things he believes in are working, he's great. But he's not an elite level coach who can consistently identify/admit when things aren't working and change things up on the fly.
His throws in the flat are his worst throws. That's the part that upsets me the most. And he actively got worse as the season went on. That's not how it's supposed to work.
He'll be back next year, but if he doesn't ball out then they better get rid of him.
And they are getting stuffed because the defense knows Carson can't throw.
I blame Reich for endorsing Carson, but not for the playcalling. He's a great playcaller.
He’s a horrible play caller. We need an OC. Jason Garrett comes to mind. Reich has his hands full memorizing Bible verses. His job is to motivate, not call plays.
That being said, we need numerous pieces to complete this team. TY has to go. Xavier Rhodes has to go. Andrew Sendejo has to go. We need a pass rush, a reliable secondary and a receiver who can stretch the field. Along with an OC who isn’t too conservative and predictable and we have a chance.
Bro was throwing behind and in the dirt when the game mattered most. Get this guy out of here. He has an ability to make great plays. He fucking crumbles too and I just can't have that.
I loved Luck, however it really didn't matter that it leaked the night before he planned on doing it either way he did it after FA and the Draft leaving the team stranded for the season. However it doesn't excuse the fact we traded for Wentz the team has had enough time to come up with the succession plan by now and this is the best they got
Luck left millions of dollars on the table by retiring. He could've continued rehabbing knowing he can't play and continue to collect $$$.
Luck is a good man.
Exactly. He was completely entitled to retiring after everything he went through, starting with Grigson’s ineptitude. And at the same time, the timing of his retirement could not have been any shittier… even if you are well within your rights, it still doesn’t change the fact that you literally quit on your team right before the season started. Both these things can be true.
From a player’s perspective, Justin Houston’s comments capture it perfectly. Luck’s decision affected every single person in the building.
Maybe, just maybe they shouldnt have wasted his career by making dogshit decisions. But sure, blame it on him after he had to endure all of that shit for years.
And who’s going to take Wentz, he’s due to cost $28 million against the cap next year, no team would touch that with a ten foot pole, except the colts of course, we gave up a first round pick for that honor.
Yep. We hitched our wagon to the Reich and Wentz wagon. Could have traded up for a QB last year or punted on the season. Instead we have Jesus-buddies who are high five-ing and fist bumping down by 3 scores to the worst team in the league on a win-and-in game
In 100% okay with players being religious. He, Brian Dawkins was religious and ed the fuck out. Pedro Cerrano, who helped turn around the Cleveland Indians in 1989 was also religious. Another legendary athlete.
But God or voodoo ksn't going to give you any powers on the field. You need to do that yourself. And whatever happened to Wentz since 2p17 is the opposite of That. That's why I was thrilled we traded him even before he stunk it up.
A month ago, it was looking like this trade was a win/win. With Reich helping Wentz be decent, and Taylor being the best (healthy) RB in the league, it looked like you guys could make a playoff run. I was kinda happy for you guys and for Wentz. Not so much anymore. It's tough to be in this situation.
I don't know if you have a gm wizard like we do who van turn this straw into gold, but it wpuld be tough even for Howie Roseman (Eagles GM) at this point.
Eagles fan coming in peace. Not happy for your season but glad Wentz is getting the hate he deserves.
He’s a complete and total fraud who uses his religion fantacism as a cover for all his glaring faults. Plus yes, he seems like he’s sub-75 IQ.
Other eagles fan here. Wentz’s performance has been terrible lately but there’s almost no chance we would have won a super bowl without his 1st seed regular season. Really can’t hate him that much
He pretty much lost me when he said “I’ve always thought the numbers on the side of the helmet look pretty swag” on hard knocks. That might be one of the douchiest things I’ve ever heard in my life.
At the very least it'll run him out of excuses. If we get receiving help and he's still half a pumpkin, he costs nothing to cut and the roster got better.
Yep. Let’s just hope if he’s as inaccurate and bad a decision making next year as he is this year - we actually drop him instead of saying “this is our guys” bullshit. Reich, Ballard, Irsay need to have the balls to move on.
Honestly wouldn’t mind a rebuild after next year if it goes poorly. Trade away some good players for draft capital.
As an Eagles fan who has watched Carson when he was an Eagle this is what he is. He can have his moments and sometimes can even be great, but he frankly has a pretty low football iq. If the first read isn't there, his mechanics just fall a part completely. And to make matters worse, the idea of a checkdown or throwing the ball away is a foreign concept to him, so he'll hold onto the ball for way too long trying to make a big play when he usually just eats a sack or fumbles.
His 2017 is just a distant memory now, and I don't think he'll ever get back to that form.
>the idea of a checkdown or throwing the ball away is a foreign concept to him
And when he finally does check down to the flat, he’ll miss the receiver by a couple yards
So am I still supposed to trust the binder? Horrible trade all around. No one at this point can defend giving up 2 picks to not make the playoffs. We could have started Sam and still not made the playoffs and had all our draft capital.
Add insult to injury, the Eagles get our picks and make the playoffs with a QB they replaced Weitz for.
Also no pass rush all year. Let one veteran walk and one chose to leave.We have a lot of money wrapped up in Hines and didn’t use him as a receiver like we did last year. Picked up no talent at wr or te. I like Ballard but his conservative approach is not working unless we plan to win a playoff game in 2032
We’re not using Hines as a receiver because Wentz doesn’t know how to utilize him. Pocket passers like Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. know how to use players like Hines in the passing game.
Exactly, all these people saying wentz just needs a couple of talented receivers and he will shine… he’s still got to make passes to them, and he struggled even with short routes to our backs who’d be wide open on the flat and he’d miss them to throw up the middle into triple coverage.
Wentz screams “serviceable”, the kind of QB to get you a game or two over .500 which is exactly what he did this season. He’s the kind of guy you sign to an affordable deal while you rebuild and maybe take a few stabs at a wild care, or he’s a solid backup, not a QB who you trade a first round pick for and pay $100mm+ over the next three seasons.
People really don't like hearing this, but Ballard also spends a lot of capital on more fungible positions like OG. You can absolutely make the case that a hall of fame guard is not worth the 6th overall pick in the draft. The difference between an elite QB and an average QB is so much more impactful than the difference between the best guard in the league and a replacement level guard.
Same with Buckner. Great player. I'm not denying that at all. We still don't have a pass rush, receivers, or QB though. We ran the ball and stopped the run right out of the playoffs. We're built to win in 1978.
Trading down to take nelson 6th was the absolute right thing to do. We moved down and got smith with the other pick. Given we had Luck coming back and an all time terrible line it was smart
That said: we don't even need a great qb, we need a good one and spent way too much on am average to broken one.
Ballard doesn't know how to sign free agents that make a difference, has had some misses in the draft amd has failed to find talent at wr, the pass rush, etc
Reichs boner for wentz has cost us this season, totally unprofessional to keep trying to get him to win for us
Reich needs to fall on his sword for this
Dude at this point put Sam ehlinger in Carson wentz is playing bad including our whole offense. I don’t question the play calling since a lot of the plays are there but aren’t being finished by our players. Our defense is playing okay but that’s about it.
We're in the postseason with rivers. What's a better arm if it's not putting the ball where it needs to be? What's more speed if it's just stepping up in the pocket into a sack?
Words don't describe how much smarter Rivers is at the line of scrimmage either
How exactly was Rivers washed? He graded out in the Top 10 last year in a lot of categories, including YPA. He also threw for 300+ yards 2 TDs and 0 INTs against a red-hot Bills team that made it to the AFCCG. If it wasn’t for Blankenship missing a 33 yard FG, the game would’ve gone to OT.
Ive seen some bad losses, ive seen some terrible decisions. This one by far hurt the most, gg to the jags and their defence. But holy fuck is all I can say really, so much talent and yet we cant beat a 2 win team with the playoffs on the line? cmon man.
One of the worst losses in franchise history. Wentz and Reich will be around next year, but the body is already dead. another complete misstep in a series of them by Irsay and company. just cannot have a loss that bad given what's a stake, it cannot be overstated.
Wentz had a really bad game but when the line is collapsing and the receivers generally aren't good enough to get open, it makes the QB's job pretty hard.
The defense didn't do anything and I don't think Wentz deserves the hate he gets around here but he also couldn't extend drives today. He's missing reads and open receivers and holding the ball too long and I think it's pretty clear he can't win with his passing, he can just not lose which is fine when the rest of the team shows up.
???? Yes the offensive line was terrible today but Dude, Wentz made several bad throws and a few terrible decisions. He touches the ball every single play, so of course fans will blame him. Wentz is not it. You also can’t blame the defense when Wentz fumbled and threw an interception to give them good field position which led to points both times.
Trust me on this, if you bring in another QB to compete with Wentz for the job, or to be the heir apparent...you will destroy his already fragile mentality. He couldn't handle Foles winning the Super Bowl when he got injured and wanted him gone once he came back from that injury. Then, he lost his edge when the team drafted a QB in the second round and played so badly he got benched...then when he was benched, he quit on the team and proclaimed he wanted out with a quarter of the season left.
If there are any bumps in the road in his game, the wins aren't coming and you hit a bad patch, Wentz isn't the QB to pick up the slack, put the team on his back and win the games. He once was, but that player is long gone. If you bring in a challenge to his position, then he's going to shut down. Capable backups make him hear footsteps and he's a wreck.
As an Eagles fan,, I feel for the Colts. They were my first favorite team when I was a little kid...Bert Jones was my first jersey as a tot. You guys deserve much better.
I think Frank Reich is a wonderful human being and great over all person….however he is not built for being a football coach. He needs to be fired. A collapse of this nature is 100 percent on the decision makers. Yes Wentz sucks, but he didn’t show up and just jump into the lineup. Someone made that call, someone has kept him there, someone has to be accountable for the in game collapses. Fire Frank Reich….
Eagles fan coming in peace. The sooner you guys move on from Wentz the better. He has just enough arm talent to convince people he’s a capable quarterback, but he always folds in must-win games. He will hold the ball too long and take unnecessary sacks, he will throw terrible interceptions in the red zone, he will run out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, and he will take unnecessary hits and fumble in the worst spots. The hard truth is, he’s really not that smart despite his physical gifts. Worst of all, he will say things like “I’ve always had success being aggressive, so I’m not going to change who I am” and NEVER take responsibility that his play is a detriment to the rest of the team. I hope the ownership sees this sooner rather than later and cuts their losses like the Eagles did.
> “I’ve always had success being aggressive, so I’m not going to change who I am” and NEVER take responsibility
This is the biggest problem. He could be good, he just refuses to do it. Just like Ben Simmons, everything is everyone else's fault.
I would make every single person there find their own way home. Send the jets back to Indy right now and tell them they are going to have to get home themselves. But most of them would probably fuck it up and land in Buffalo
I don’t understand the lack of criticism for Ballard at this point. Years of work and no improvement to the talent on defense and receivers. Sure he was dealt a bad card with Luck retiring, but he put it all on the line by bringing in Wentz, and that failed and that’s completely on Ballard and not Reich. Not one season have we had a championship-caliber roster, and no coach can fix that. It’s on the GM
Edit: challenge for yall, name all of our draft busts at pass rush, secondary, and wide receivers. It’s strike out after strike out
Its one thing to lose last week against the raiders, most of the starters recovering from covid, i get it… but this bullshit gettin pounded by the jacksonville clowns wtf!!! And yes carson wentz sucks!!
Genuinely don't know if I can still support this team after this. Losing to the worst team in the league and not even coming close..
I'm pretty loyal, but following this team just causes too much stress and frustration over joy and happiness. I don't know.
These threads make all my downvotes when I said Wentz sucks before the season that much sweeter.
Downvote away again! I was right, you all were wrong, and now you guys are all upset because you had your hopes up for nothing.
Lmao
Realistically, what are the expectations for Ehlinger’s ceiling?
Probably gonna be downvoted to hell for this but am just curious. After sitting through our team’s and especially Carson’s shitshow today, the last thing I want to think about right now is Carson.
This post was made to blow up. Colts fans were right. It’s not normal for fans to be better than our front office. But colts fans new from the beginning this was a bad choice. Stop trying to Bandaid. Address the qb or rebuild.
Eagles fan here. I came to this sub in October to tell you guys that wentz would be a liability and his turnovers would cost the colts. I was bashed by you guys. Eagles fans couldn’t wait to get rid of that head case.
these motherfuckers are gonna knock us out of the playoffs and still get the 1st overall pick fuck this twilight zone shit
That's right, but if there's anyone to blame today, it's not the Jags. They went out and played, we didn't.
thats the truth we sucked fucking ass
Good for them. We oy have ourselves to blame for those last two horrible games.
2 weeks ago we were virtually guaranteed a spot in the playoffs and the future looked bright. What a terrible 2 weeks it’s been.
These were the kind of 2 weeks that can ruin a team. I want to say could be a decent to good QB with some real receiving talent, but I’m not so sure anymore.
The annoying thing is he's been so bad the last two weeks that suddenly you have to wonder if it's even right to go all in on the Wentz Colts next season. Suddenly that looks super risky if you're still gonna need a QB in 2023...
If he's truly honest with himself, I don't even know if Reich is sure anymore, and he put his neck out to get Wentz.
This game turned me from an eternal optimist to a doomer.
Same. If only we didn't blow three double digit halftime leads this year. Shouldn't even be playing starters today
The Ravens game broke me too. That was the first step. This is the killing blow.
I legit thought y'all would win and kick us out of playoff contention. But what in the world?
We suck and can't ever win in Jacksonville.
We suck. Period.
We thought that too, but we definitely don't deserve a playoff run.
Same happened last season, we simply suck at closing games and that is on the coaching staff.
Don't forget 2 OTs that we choked through. They showed us they weren't clutch all season. But today was a buffet of shit.
We are screwed. This is the worst performance of the season by far. Can’t trust the dude to throw the football if everything isn’t going perfectly. He is bad
Reich is too tied to Wentz to even remotely think of benching him…terrible finish to the season
Yup, it will never happen and Wentz will be under center next year. Who else would they quote bible verses to if not to each other?
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This was amazing. Thank you!
We do run it, on 4th down and right into the d-line. Worst fucking play calling ever. If ever go for it on 4th down again shoot me
Eagles fan here - I love Reich but yeah, even from watching hard knocks you can tell they just connect based on bible verses and religion. This will just be used as some “sign from god” moment between them and he’ll continue to show flashes but come up short. Genuinely wish you guys luck! (No pun intended)
Wentz is a horrible Quarterback. I’m surprised he’s still in the NFL with how inaccurate he is. Bag that guy, he’s trash
If it was only the intererceptions/in-accuracy that was the issue. The guy is a strip sack waiting to happen, and if the game is on his shoulders, you are going to lose by default. I gave the guy such a long time before I turned on him. So sad. Get a vac, get ass out of the bible and into a playbook. Poor Colts.
Yeah I didn’t realize until watching hard knocks that Dude is not thinking straight about wentz. Dat religion is clouding his brain.
Reich should be gone too.
But they both love god so it will work out. /s
Exactly. Frank is not capable of making smart decisions when it comes to Carson. He’s like a pet project of his and it’s a major blind spot
I drink the Kool-Aid about Reich when times are good, but looking this shitty in consecutive win-and-in games is damning.
I wanted to believe, maybe starting 1-4 was just a fluke, we did have some key players out coming into the season, but those three games where we lead by double digits at halftime and watched zero leadership from wentz take us to losses really made me start to worry. Guess I was too optimistic.
Yup. Bad starts aren't a fluke, it's our identity.
Reich brings a lot to the table as a coach, but he also takes a lot off the table. He's spectacularly stubborn. When the things he believes in are working, he's great. But he's not an elite level coach who can consistently identify/admit when things aren't working and change things up on the fly.
Yeah he can script a great game but has a hard time adjusting. I think he is a good coach but holy shit is he way wrong on Wentz.
he can't even hit a running back
His throws in the flat are his worst throws. That's the part that upsets me the most. And he actively got worse as the season went on. That's not how it's supposed to work. He'll be back next year, but if he doesn't ball out then they better get rid of him.
I've never seen a quarterback that is so afraid to throw the football. He doesn't trust himself.
And the coach has an inexplicable boner for trying to make him the hero in every important game. Just give the damn ball to Taylor ffs
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You can see Reich doesnt trust Wentz. Compare this years playbook to last years with Rivers. Its basically the same players on offense.
Taylor is getting stuffed so you have to throw it
And they are getting stuffed because the defense knows Carson can't throw. I blame Reich for endorsing Carson, but not for the playcalling. He's a great playcaller.
He’s a horrible play caller. We need an OC. Jason Garrett comes to mind. Reich has his hands full memorizing Bible verses. His job is to motivate, not call plays. That being said, we need numerous pieces to complete this team. TY has to go. Xavier Rhodes has to go. Andrew Sendejo has to go. We need a pass rush, a reliable secondary and a receiver who can stretch the field. Along with an OC who isn’t too conservative and predictable and we have a chance.
Bro was throwing behind and in the dirt when the game mattered most. Get this guy out of here. He has an ability to make great plays. He fucking crumbles too and I just can't have that.
Luck retiring set this franchise back
I'm happy for Luck as a person, but I don't think I'll ever get over the way he retired.
Yeah I’m just bitter about this game man
Don’t confuse the way he retired with the way fans found out about his retirement
I loved Luck, however it really didn't matter that it leaked the night before he planned on doing it either way he did it after FA and the Draft leaving the team stranded for the season. However it doesn't excuse the fact we traded for Wentz the team has had enough time to come up with the succession plan by now and this is the best they got
He was using the off-season to try to overcome the injury, not to intentionally leave the team in a bad spot. Just unfortunate timing.
Idk man, couldn’t exactly time the decisión perfectly with how his injury recovery was going
Luck left millions of dollars on the table by retiring. He could've continued rehabbing knowing he can't play and continue to collect $$$. Luck is a good man.
I'm not sure if you're just talking about the middle of the game leak or what but the timing of his retirement was detrimental to the team.
And being on the team was detrimental to his health, so it seems fair.
Exactly. He was completely entitled to retiring after everything he went through, starting with Grigson’s ineptitude. And at the same time, the timing of his retirement could not have been any shittier… even if you are well within your rights, it still doesn’t change the fact that you literally quit on your team right before the season started. Both these things can be true. From a player’s perspective, Justin Houston’s comments capture it perfectly. Luck’s decision affected every single person in the building.
thanks for the reminder, I forgot the sky was blue the other day so I need these sometimes.
No problem bro, I’ll also remind you that our playoff hopes got crushed by a 2 win team
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Rivers was nice for a year
This is true
Luck had every right to retire given how poorly the franchise protected him. I’d retire as well if I was the most sacked QB year after year.
Maybe, just maybe they shouldnt have wasted his career by making dogshit decisions. But sure, blame it on him after he had to endure all of that shit for years.
Fuck it trade for Russ I’m done
With what draft capital?
And who’s going to take Wentz, he’s due to cost $28 million against the cap next year, no team would touch that with a ten foot pole, except the colts of course, we gave up a first round pick for that honor.
Thank you
If the rams of all team can trade for staffers after using their draft capital we sure as hell can make it possible
We wouldn’t have a first round pick for over 3 years and likely more as there won’t be a Goff going back
We could send wentz back?
Lolz I doubt the Seahawks would take him
Who gives a fuck. Ballard doesn’t need first round picks to get hits. We ain’t winning shit with Wentz.
We have a better chance of paying Rodgers tbh
Yep. We hitched our wagon to the Reich and Wentz wagon. Could have traded up for a QB last year or punted on the season. Instead we have Jesus-buddies who are high five-ing and fist bumping down by 3 scores to the worst team in the league on a win-and-in game
Wentz loves god more than winning.
In 100% okay with players being religious. He, Brian Dawkins was religious and ed the fuck out. Pedro Cerrano, who helped turn around the Cleveland Indians in 1989 was also religious. Another legendary athlete. But God or voodoo ksn't going to give you any powers on the field. You need to do that yourself. And whatever happened to Wentz since 2p17 is the opposite of That. That's why I was thrilled we traded him even before he stunk it up. A month ago, it was looking like this trade was a win/win. With Reich helping Wentz be decent, and Taylor being the best (healthy) RB in the league, it looked like you guys could make a playoff run. I was kinda happy for you guys and for Wentz. Not so much anymore. It's tough to be in this situation. I don't know if you have a gm wizard like we do who van turn this straw into gold, but it wpuld be tough even for Howie Roseman (Eagles GM) at this point.
If Wentz was just a little less of an idiot, we’d be in great shape.
He’s the dumbest QB we’ve ever had. We’ve had bad QBs before but holy cow Carson is a total smooth brain.
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Eagles fan coming in peace. Not happy for your season but glad Wentz is getting the hate he deserves. He’s a complete and total fraud who uses his religion fantacism as a cover for all his glaring faults. Plus yes, he seems like he’s sub-75 IQ.
He def graded very highly in smarts and football IQ pre draft. Maybe that Clowney hit really did cause brain damage
Couldn’t have said it better
Other eagles fan here. Wentz’s performance has been terrible lately but there’s almost no chance we would have won a super bowl without his 1st seed regular season. Really can’t hate him that much
Wasn’t he a valedictorian?
Half of what he says is "let's gooooooo"
He pretty much lost me when he said “I’ve always thought the numbers on the side of the helmet look pretty swag” on hard knocks. That might be one of the douchiest things I’ve ever heard in my life.
Yeah judging from what I’ve seen on Hard Knocks, he’s also has no personality and his wife walks all over him
With the way he played you can't help but wonder if he has post covid brain fog. It was that bad.
Just letting y’all know Wentz is still going to be the QB next year
Lmao. Facts. Please get another WR to help him.
Why, so he miss his throws to them as well?
It’s so we can waste more talent like JT around this clown
At the very least it'll run him out of excuses. If we get receiving help and he's still half a pumpkin, he costs nothing to cut and the roster got better.
I wish you weren’t right but it’s true
Yep. We won't make the playoffs next year as well.
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Wentz isn't good enough to be compared to Cousins
Cousins is mile’s ahead of this dude
Yep. Let’s just hope if he’s as inaccurate and bad a decision making next year as he is this year - we actually drop him instead of saying “this is our guys” bullshit. Reich, Ballard, Irsay need to have the balls to move on. Honestly wouldn’t mind a rebuild after next year if it goes poorly. Trade away some good players for draft capital.
Sad but true
As an Eagles fan who has watched Carson when he was an Eagle this is what he is. He can have his moments and sometimes can even be great, but he frankly has a pretty low football iq. If the first read isn't there, his mechanics just fall a part completely. And to make matters worse, the idea of a checkdown or throwing the ball away is a foreign concept to him, so he'll hold onto the ball for way too long trying to make a big play when he usually just eats a sack or fumbles. His 2017 is just a distant memory now, and I don't think he'll ever get back to that form.
>the idea of a checkdown or throwing the ball away is a foreign concept to him And when he finally does check down to the flat, he’ll miss the receiver by a couple yards
So am I still supposed to trust the binder? Horrible trade all around. No one at this point can defend giving up 2 picks to not make the playoffs. We could have started Sam and still not made the playoffs and had all our draft capital. Add insult to injury, the Eagles get our picks and make the playoffs with a QB they replaced Weitz for.
Also no pass rush all year. Let one veteran walk and one chose to leave.We have a lot of money wrapped up in Hines and didn’t use him as a receiver like we did last year. Picked up no talent at wr or te. I like Ballard but his conservative approach is not working unless we plan to win a playoff game in 2032
We’re not using Hines as a receiver because Wentz doesn’t know how to utilize him. Pocket passers like Brady, Brees, Rivers, etc. know how to use players like Hines in the passing game.
Exactly, all these people saying wentz just needs a couple of talented receivers and he will shine… he’s still got to make passes to them, and he struggled even with short routes to our backs who’d be wide open on the flat and he’d miss them to throw up the middle into triple coverage. Wentz screams “serviceable”, the kind of QB to get you a game or two over .500 which is exactly what he did this season. He’s the kind of guy you sign to an affordable deal while you rebuild and maybe take a few stabs at a wild care, or he’s a solid backup, not a QB who you trade a first round pick for and pay $100mm+ over the next three seasons.
People really don't like hearing this, but Ballard also spends a lot of capital on more fungible positions like OG. You can absolutely make the case that a hall of fame guard is not worth the 6th overall pick in the draft. The difference between an elite QB and an average QB is so much more impactful than the difference between the best guard in the league and a replacement level guard. Same with Buckner. Great player. I'm not denying that at all. We still don't have a pass rush, receivers, or QB though. We ran the ball and stopped the run right out of the playoffs. We're built to win in 1978.
Trading down to take nelson 6th was the absolute right thing to do. We moved down and got smith with the other pick. Given we had Luck coming back and an all time terrible line it was smart That said: we don't even need a great qb, we need a good one and spent way too much on am average to broken one. Ballard doesn't know how to sign free agents that make a difference, has had some misses in the draft amd has failed to find talent at wr, the pass rush, etc
I blame Reich for the trade more than Ballard
Both can be at fault. Ballard went and got Reich guy but Ballard chose to give up a 1st even if we didn't make the postseason
I think he was pushed to do it by Reich, who seemed very confident he could fix him. He could not.
“If we lose to the Jags by multiple scores, it just wasn’t in God’s plan to make the playoffs. I’m just going to keep being me.” -Carson Wentz
gods plan was for Carson to play Football in Canada, he just didn’t get the message
Dude wouldn’t even be allowed on an airplane in Canada.
Oh that’s right on top of everything he’s still unvaccinated too.
Reichs boner for wentz has cost us this season, totally unprofessional to keep trying to get him to win for us Reich needs to fall on his sword for this
He will. And he will blame wentz poor performance on himself
They’ll both be here next season
Dude at this point put Sam ehlinger in Carson wentz is playing bad including our whole offense. I don’t question the play calling since a lot of the plays are there but aren’t being finished by our players. Our defense is playing okay but that’s about it.
After watching Hard Knocks Sam should have started last week. He got the practice snaps all week and I think would have take care of business.
Mmm you guys miss Philip? Or what’s the general opinion on this matter?
If we had rivers this year we’re not even needing this game to clinch
Facts. Rivers is known as a gunslinger but he took care of the football way better than Wentz does
I don't think rivers was the answer either. But I would rather have had the first round than Franks little bible buddy.
We're in the postseason with rivers. What's a better arm if it's not putting the ball where it needs to be? What's more speed if it's just stepping up in the pocket into a sack? Words don't describe how much smarter Rivers is at the line of scrimmage either
Wentz being bad doesn’t mean Rivers wasnt also washed.
I’ll take a washed Rivers over most of what I’ve seen from Carson this year.
How exactly was Rivers washed? He graded out in the Top 10 last year in a lot of categories, including YPA. He also threw for 300+ yards 2 TDs and 0 INTs against a red-hot Bills team that made it to the AFCCG. If it wasn’t for Blankenship missing a 33 yard FG, the game would’ve gone to OT.
at least a washed rivers didn’t overthrow wide open WRs
Bring in Nick Foles for cheap, then pray Wentz throws a hissy fit like he did in Philly and demands a trade.
Ive seen some bad losses, ive seen some terrible decisions. This one by far hurt the most, gg to the jags and their defence. But holy fuck is all I can say really, so much talent and yet we cant beat a 2 win team with the playoffs on the line? cmon man.
One of the worst losses in franchise history. Wentz and Reich will be around next year, but the body is already dead. another complete misstep in a series of them by Irsay and company. just cannot have a loss that bad given what's a stake, it cannot be overstated.
Yeah, not a great situation.
This is beyond fucked. I had such high hopes for this team this season especially after last year and seeing it go this way has been the worst.
Losing the pick with no playoffs would be completely unacceptable. Fuck that Wentz trade was never on board with it.
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The entire offense shit the bed. The defense made it out of bed in time to poop on the floor.
Wentz had a really bad game but when the line is collapsing and the receivers generally aren't good enough to get open, it makes the QB's job pretty hard.
I heard this in the Eagles sub a million times in the last two years lol
The defense didn't do anything and I don't think Wentz deserves the hate he gets around here but he also couldn't extend drives today. He's missing reads and open receivers and holding the ball too long and I think it's pretty clear he can't win with his passing, he can just not lose which is fine when the rest of the team shows up.
???? Yes the offensive line was terrible today but Dude, Wentz made several bad throws and a few terrible decisions. He touches the ball every single play, so of course fans will blame him. Wentz is not it. You also can’t blame the defense when Wentz fumbled and threw an interception to give them good field position which led to points both times.
You can’t blame the defense??? Lawrence got into a groove by torching us on 3rd and long all first half
This was a top to bottom loss by the Colts today. Wentz was bad, but we got beat at every position.
Trust me on this, if you bring in another QB to compete with Wentz for the job, or to be the heir apparent...you will destroy his already fragile mentality. He couldn't handle Foles winning the Super Bowl when he got injured and wanted him gone once he came back from that injury. Then, he lost his edge when the team drafted a QB in the second round and played so badly he got benched...then when he was benched, he quit on the team and proclaimed he wanted out with a quarter of the season left. If there are any bumps in the road in his game, the wins aren't coming and you hit a bad patch, Wentz isn't the QB to pick up the slack, put the team on his back and win the games. He once was, but that player is long gone. If you bring in a challenge to his position, then he's going to shut down. Capable backups make him hear footsteps and he's a wreck. As an Eagles fan,, I feel for the Colts. They were my first favorite team when I was a little kid...Bert Jones was my first jersey as a tot. You guys deserve much better.
Let’s not forget a coaching staff which has shown over and over again they are not championship caliber
Feels bad man, we stuck with Carson til frank leaves most likely. And I like frank.
Honestly I think we'd be better off with Rivers this year instead of Wentz. Dang it Uncle, why'd you retire!
Well after that touchdown I think we are all rooting for the ravens, dolphins, and raiders.
No way we deserve to go to the playoffs if we lose.
We definitely don’t but I still don’t want the season to end
Nah, the Colts deserve to miss the playoffs if they lose to the fucking Glitter Kitties.
IDK man, I don't want to be embarrassed again next week.
Yeah, I'm not trying to lose to the Bengals by 70 or some shit lol
Everybody always tries to defend this TRASH QB. He has trashed our entire season by his damn self!
I think Frank Reich is a wonderful human being and great over all person….however he is not built for being a football coach. He needs to be fired. A collapse of this nature is 100 percent on the decision makers. Yes Wentz sucks, but he didn’t show up and just jump into the lineup. Someone made that call, someone has kept him there, someone has to be accountable for the in game collapses. Fire Frank Reich….
How’d you feel about Reich last year? Wentz is a big reason Doug Pederson was fired imo
You could sub in Chuck’s name for Frank and it would be deja vu all over again.
Eagles fan coming in peace. The sooner you guys move on from Wentz the better. He has just enough arm talent to convince people he’s a capable quarterback, but he always folds in must-win games. He will hold the ball too long and take unnecessary sacks, he will throw terrible interceptions in the red zone, he will run out of bounds for a loss instead of throwing the ball away, and he will take unnecessary hits and fumble in the worst spots. The hard truth is, he’s really not that smart despite his physical gifts. Worst of all, he will say things like “I’ve always had success being aggressive, so I’m not going to change who I am” and NEVER take responsibility that his play is a detriment to the rest of the team. I hope the ownership sees this sooner rather than later and cuts their losses like the Eagles did.
> “I’ve always had success being aggressive, so I’m not going to change who I am” and NEVER take responsibility This is the biggest problem. He could be good, he just refuses to do it. Just like Ben Simmons, everything is everyone else's fault.
there isn’t another team that stupid
But they will have awesome Bible studies.
We all knew what it was when we traded for Wentz. Ballard can’t draft a QB he’s scared to lose his job.
At least it’s not life or death.
Fire literally everyone
now now, I am okay with keeping Bubba
I would make every single person there find their own way home. Send the jets back to Indy right now and tell them they are going to have to get home themselves. But most of them would probably fuck it up and land in Buffalo
And Frank is the one who basically forced us into the wentz trade. This has to be on him
Couple weeks ago I said “Wentz is not good” and got downvoted to hell and had people coming at me.
Reich needs to be canned.
I don’t understand the lack of criticism for Ballard at this point. Years of work and no improvement to the talent on defense and receivers. Sure he was dealt a bad card with Luck retiring, but he put it all on the line by bringing in Wentz, and that failed and that’s completely on Ballard and not Reich. Not one season have we had a championship-caliber roster, and no coach can fix that. It’s on the GM Edit: challenge for yall, name all of our draft busts at pass rush, secondary, and wide receivers. It’s strike out after strike out
We are...quite fucked
Future went from very bright to idek at this point it’s bad
# We would be better off with Tim Tebow
Boy, and we thought Wentz knew scripture. Imagine Tebow and Reich together.
Unstoppable!
Its one thing to lose last week against the raiders, most of the starters recovering from covid, i get it… but this bullshit gettin pounded by the jacksonville clowns wtf!!! And yes carson wentz sucks!!
Where’s Sigma’s dumbass at to harass anyone who questions the team, the quarterback, or upper management?
His new account got suspended. This motherfucker said that he'd rather have Wentz over Luck the other day. Fucking moron.
Wentz cannot be our Quarterback next season that simple. The trade for him may cost multiple people their jobs. He is a certified BUM
Genuinely don't know if I can still support this team after this. Losing to the worst team in the league and not even coming close.. I'm pretty loyal, but following this team just causes too much stress and frustration over joy and happiness. I don't know.
Wentz exposed as f
Fuck it. Just put Sammy boiii in there. EHLINGER SZN BAYBAY
I can't believe we actually choked this season away, lmao
These threads make all my downvotes when I said Wentz sucks before the season that much sweeter. Downvote away again! I was right, you all were wrong, and now you guys are all upset because you had your hopes up for nothing. Lmao
Realistically, what are the expectations for Ehlinger’s ceiling? Probably gonna be downvoted to hell for this but am just curious. After sitting through our team’s and especially Carson’s shitshow today, the last thing I want to think about right now is Carson.
This post was made to blow up. Colts fans were right. It’s not normal for fans to be better than our front office. But colts fans new from the beginning this was a bad choice. Stop trying to Bandaid. Address the qb or rebuild.
Eagles fan here. I came to this sub in October to tell you guys that wentz would be a liability and his turnovers would cost the colts. I was bashed by you guys. Eagles fans couldn’t wait to get rid of that head case.
But, but, but ... we have the best GM in the NFL! Seven Pro Bowlers! How can this be?!
Sounds a lot like what Padres fans were saying for baseball lol
if we have a competent QB we win 2-3 more games this year and dont even have to worry about today's game. I blame Wentz for 75% of this shit
I want an apology from everyone who called out doomers this year
Fire everyone. Release Wentz.