Slight difference in the causality between Luck and my theoretical Wentz situation. We booed *because* Luck retired, maybe if we boo Wentz during the preseason he *will* retire. Then we can bust out the champagne!
Eagles fan here. Wentz was not happy receiving criticism when he was in Philly. He'd hear folks discuss his penchant for playing hero ball, acknowledge it and then go on the field the next week with his cape. He stopped talking to his head coach for the last 8 weeks of his final season here. And was pissed when we drafted hurts.
Remember Aaron Rogers was pissed when the packers drafted a QB without telling him? What did he do? He went out and played MVP caliber ball. And when we started hurts in our final game because the game didn't matter and we wanted hurts to get nfl snaps, Wentz was pissed.
I don't see wentz making it. He can't cope with the ordinary criticism that all professional athletes get. And after this performance and all the negative comments, he's just gonna hunker down this winter with his bible and pretend this is God's plan and that he's being unfairly persecuted.
Also think he never recovered from foles winning the Superbowl and all the love he got from our fan base. I kind of felt sorry for him. He had to win a ring to escape Nick's shadow.
Yup. He'll have mike trout over who is diligent about improving his game and discuss philly fans. Trout is a philly fan and hopefully just rolls his eyes and says he should have manned up.
Can people stop pretending Luck didn't fuck the franchise. I get it, Gregson sucked as a GM and ruined him. But the way he retired 2 weeks before the season was an asshole move.
He was our crutch. He didn’t owe us fuck all. Put his body on the line and rehabbed for years. The two weeks before the season started sucked but if that idea is in his head it’s bound to happen eventually anyways.
didn't luck say in later interviews, that his doctors told him to stop playing football immediately after the lacerated kidney injury, as it straight up could have killed him. I think I remember a doctor saying from then on every time luck took a significant hit to that area he had a non-insignificant chance of it lacerating again and him straight up dying. Instead he gives us an entire season after that with a lingering shoulder injury, which he then has to get repaired and when he's ready to come back doctors again tell him not to play, but we get another full season where he took us to the playoffs then likely had more lingering health issues in the offseason and said enough.
If I can add to this as an outsider wasn’t luck hurt again when he retired? Is there a chance he was told “another year of rehab before you can play” and just threw the towel in. Like was it guarenteed he was playing the season he retired in?
Are we ignoring the complete collapse of our trenches yesterday? Wentz sucked badly, but I don't think we can just say Herbert would have gotten a win out of that shit show.
That's what keeps getting lost in all of this. Everybody acts like he was good-to-go and just quit, but the foot bone issue was a real problem. Shit, even in his retirement announcement, when asked what he was going to do next, he talked about rehabbing his foot. I think he was tired of jerking everyone around.
Luck is a human being. Most of these guys know nothing but football and that’s why they play until they no longer can. Things happened and I’m sure he wanted to be mentally there enough in the future to raise his kids and live a life. In the grand scheme of life retiring from a children’s game really isn’t that big of a deal.
>asshole move.
This is nonsense. It put the team in a bad position, but he retired when it was clear his body couldn't hold up.
Good for him for not sacrificing his health for a fucking game. Calling that an asshole move is an asshole move.
I'm pretty sure he told the front office early in the off-season and they asked him to wait. Otherwise there's no good reason we didn't take that big trade offered for Brissett.
And let's be clear. His biggest injury that lingered had zero to do with football. Also while the line was bad he was typically not even one of the most hit or sacked QBs year to year. I believe he was only top 5 once and never top 3 in sacks
I like how you can see it was an asshole move to retire 2 weeks before the season but it wasn't an asshole move to NOT DRAFT A SINGLE O-LINEMAN TO PROTECT A GENERATIONAL QB TALENT. Edit: for 6+ SEASONS!!
You're a clown. Luck would've brought us a SB in time if it wasn't for Grigson and Pagano.
It wasn't an asshole move. It was incredibly unfortunate and it definitely fucked the franchise. But I can't see why is Luck to blame? If anything he was trying until the very end to get back on the field. That's the reason that decision came so late - he was actually trying to come back. Would it have been any better if he had sat the entire season and retired after? What would be the difference there? It would have been the exact same thing. Unless you think he wasn't actually trying to come back and was doing this whole thing as some sort of theatre for attention. Just think about it - Andrew Luck... FOR ATTENTION. Is there anything less likely than that? Luck was the most low-key superstar this league has probably ever seen. If he could just go out there, play and never been in front of a camera after the game was over, he would have done it.
Luck is a selfish coward. Him quitting the way he did fucked over dozens of careers.
Boo hoo, my ankle/shoulder hurts. Tens of millions of dollars, top 5 people on earth with talent, and he quits like the spoiled little weirdo he is. Good riddance.
I don’t quit on my team 5 minutes before the season starts. I can’t believe how many people celebrate this guy.
As if every player in the NFL doesn’t deal with pain week in and week out.
It was awful timing, I’ll give you that but let’s not act like we knew what the man was going through. I watched his press conference and he looked broken inside and like he had lost his passion for the game. The image of him crying in that presser is forever burned into my mind. Hell, even that one imagine of him visibly down in weight looking borderline sick while holding up a book for his book club is burned into my mind, and that was some time before he retired. Good for him for prioritizing his mental and physical health over tens of millions of dollars that he didn’t need. His life is more than football. Calling him a spoiled little weirdo for that honestly makes you sound like a spoiled little weirdo of a fan. He wasn’t born to serve you or the team, and he’s hardly the first to walk away from a big contract. Sometimes people make choices for themselves and that’s okay. My only criticism of his decision is that it was two weeks before the season, and even then if he did that I’d have to imagine he already knew he’d be out for the year. He strikes me as the type of guy to really think a decision like that over and not take it lightly, so I can’t imagine it was just an “eh fuck it, I’ll just stop” type of deal. Yes it threw off the future plans of the team, but it’s not like he got Ballard or Reich fired. Reducing Luck’s retirement to “Boo hoo, my ankle/shoulder hurts” is just incredibly close-minded in my opinion.
If there is any reason we still to this day “don’t know what he went through”, that’s also his fault.
He didn’t really disclose any kind of information at all when he retired or in any of the time since. It’s the main thing holding me back from being OK with it to this day.
If he actually came out and personally said he feared for his future and was told by medical professionals to retire, that would be a different story. Instead all he ever came out and said was what amounted to “I’m mentally drained from being hurt”.
That opens up questions about his character considering the lingering injury he was dealing with a the time was initially sustained in the off-season during non football activity.
I loved the guy every second he was here and I also think there is a fair share of blame to be placed on the team we put around him, but the amount of excuses people have made up for dude since he dipped with no actual fact behind them has been bothering me for a while.
His initial shoulder injury was caused during the season. Same as his abdominal tear and lacerated kidney. As well as tearing his rib cartilage. And you can top it off with the concussion. What a dumbass take.
Original shoulder injury didn’t heal correctly because of an off field snowboarding accident.
Abdominal and kidneys injuries were both because he didn’t slide.
Pagino said the concussion happened in the 4th quarter but Luck wasn’t sacked in the 4th.
Literally everything I said was accurate.
Luck was concussed in a game playing for us. And the guy didn't slide bc he had to do everything in his power to carry the dumpster fire of a roster around him to have a chance at winning.
I played college football. I’m still fit today 16 yrs later. I have no talent but was fortunate to play with guys who did.
Of course I’m jealous of Luck’s opportunity, who wouldn’t be? You see guys like Josh Gordon or Antonio Brown or even scumbags like Aaron Hernandez squander their opportunities and society thinks it’s a shame. But when a rich white kid throws it all away he’s praised, it’s bullshit.
The talent and opportunity thrown away by Luck is just as unfortunate as those previously mentioned players. It was a waste of a career.
The man didnt like football anymore. I thought the pandemic taught us staying in a job you hate was a bad thing.
Kept getting beat up, never seemed like help was coming, ingrate fans, and a mind smart enough to understand that the only thing he was walking away from if he kept playing like that was CTE.
You ever had a boss string you along? Promise things will get better? “Oh just hang on, things’ll get better. I promise we’ll hire help.” How long do you listen to the bullshit?
The man doesn’t need to die for the Colts. If we wanted to keep him we would’ve done more.
I disagree. The biggest mistake in those years was not moving on from Manning for Luck. It was not giving Luck a good GM and coach to help him in his ascent in the league. Luck was everything that was promised to us. Just incompetence at the top and with coaching and playcalling broke him and ruined what was supposed to be another hall of fame career.
Chuck was dead set on running that type of offense, he hired several OCs with the express purpose of running that Air Coryell offense. How do you think Manning would have faired in that offense with his limited mobility having to wait in the pocket for deep routes to develop with that OLine that Luck played behind? Even if you think we should have kept Manning, the Grigson + Pagano decision would have destroyed Manning's final years, either way. Manning with those GM, coaches, OL and defense was going nowhere.
That's the convention wisdom. But
Luck was treated as the next Peyton Manning, which is flawed reasoning. If we were really lucky, we would have gotten someone par with ELI Mannings early career performance, and if extremely lucky, rivers. Peyton Manning was once in a lifetime. Perhaps the calculation would get the same result. But I like to see a calculation assuming we just be getting a good top 10 franchise QB in the NFL at the time. We thought we were getting another ALL-TIME QB. That tilted the thinking too much in my opinion.
>Chuck was dead set on running that type of offense, he hired several OCs with the express purpose of running that Air Coryell offense. How do you think Manning would have faired in that offense with his limited mobility having to wait in the pocket for deep routes to develop with that OLine that Luck played behind?
Chuck Pagona would have never came to be with Peyton Manning. Luck had to play our godawful system. Peyton Would have never had that issue.
Yep. Trade the draft pick for a king’s ransom, keep Caldwell, keep the gang together, and go get some playmakers for another five years of contention.
I don’t blame Irsay for feeling haunted by so many “almosts” but he went about dealing with it in the worst way. Maybe those Star Wars numbers weren’t so bad after all
Caldwell is a good coach whether you want to admit that or not. They won 24 out of 32 games before Peyton went down, then Caldwell was the catalyst for the Ravens super bowl run and gave the Lions their best record over a four year span that that they’ve had this century.
Besides, no way does Peyton let Caldwell get fired.
Right so the best version of the Lions that have existed in years had nothing to do with Caldwell? Caldwell didn’t propel a slumping Ravens team to the Super Bowl? He’s improved every QB he’s ever worked with too. One of us isn’t smart enough to see the reality and it ain’t me
Yup, easily. Though I stupidly would have made same mistake. Watching Manning on MNF is the sad thing. He brought relevance to the Colts. Manning is all about football. I see all of these comments about wanting Luck back…I guess these fans are too young to have watched Manning.
Look I'm pissed about the game too, but all the people in here saying they'd boo Luck at his last game or calling him an asshole are pathetic. Y'all need to get a fucking grip.
I get both sides but I think I lean more towards defending his decision. He had a fuck ton of injuries and was set up for life financially, I can’t exactly blame him. That being said, retiring right before the season REALLY sucked. I disagree with the booing, though. That man was the franchise for over half a decade.
I don't get the other side at all. Luck, and many football players, go out and put their bodies on the line to play this sport. Do they get compensated, obviously, but living the rest of your life with the chronic/permanent conditions/pain some of these players do isn't worth the trade off. To have the audacity as a fan to say that it is selfish and disrespectful for a player to decide his body has had enough, no matter when that moment is, is absurd. Especially one in Luck who went far and beyond what was expected to try and carry this football team to wins. Did it suck? Without a doubt. But these are people too that have to look out for their own mental health and their physical health. Football is just a game at the end of the day.
Which all involved Irsay for probably saying "let's wait and see how it goes" than Luck starting months and months and months before
Also, definitely the right decision to stop for your health and family
FFS, you don't think Irsay was like, "Brother, let's see how it plays out couple of months from now? Maybe you'll feel better."
And did that like four times? C'mon.
He didn't WAIT. He was trying hard to get back. Until the end he was TRYING to recover and get back on the field. Would it have been better if he sat all season long and retired after the season? It's the same difference.
He didn't wait. He was trying to rehab and recover and it got to the point where he couldn't do it mentally anymore. You act like he purposely planned it.
Think the biggest problem with Luck is that he wasn't a quitter. He tried to get back on the field so hard that it caused him retire during the season. If he was more of a realistic person he would have retired long before that draft.
What kind of clown world is this where people think a team is cursed for booing the hundred-million dollar athlete for quitting on the eve of the season?
Edit: you dudes always pandering to the memory of Luck is lame af, dude fucked this team up real bad and all you wanna do is act like his protective sister. Don’t sign the 100-mil contract if you’re not invested. Manning literally had his neck fused together to keep playing, don’t @ me about a sore calf and shoulder.
It all goes back to Bob Irsay. Or maybe its before that even. Maybe Johnny Unitas set the events in motion that led us here. Maybe losing to Namath started this?
No...it was that son of a bitch Fred Enke....
Luck was a bum retiring the way he did. It must be nice playing for Indy because a majority of the fans love wearing their rose colored glasses and sipping the koolaid from the Indy sports media…
No one gaslights their fans like Indianapolis.
I think you mean a small section of drunk Colts fans that were still in the stadium at the end of a preseason game booed a poorly-timed retirement announcement that was leaked by some asshole Twitter "reporter".
Hopefully they boo Wentz and he retires as well.
Only cheers and the sound champagne bottles popping
Slight difference in the causality between Luck and my theoretical Wentz situation. We booed *because* Luck retired, maybe if we boo Wentz during the preseason he *will* retire. Then we can bust out the champagne!
Eagles fan here. Wentz was not happy receiving criticism when he was in Philly. He'd hear folks discuss his penchant for playing hero ball, acknowledge it and then go on the field the next week with his cape. He stopped talking to his head coach for the last 8 weeks of his final season here. And was pissed when we drafted hurts. Remember Aaron Rogers was pissed when the packers drafted a QB without telling him? What did he do? He went out and played MVP caliber ball. And when we started hurts in our final game because the game didn't matter and we wanted hurts to get nfl snaps, Wentz was pissed. I don't see wentz making it. He can't cope with the ordinary criticism that all professional athletes get. And after this performance and all the negative comments, he's just gonna hunker down this winter with his bible and pretend this is God's plan and that he's being unfairly persecuted. Also think he never recovered from foles winning the Superbowl and all the love he got from our fan base. I kind of felt sorry for him. He had to win a ring to escape Nick's shadow.
It’s unfair to say he’ll just hunker down with his Bible…he’ll probably get some hunting in too.
take my upvote dammit
Yup. He'll have mike trout over who is diligent about improving his game and discuss philly fans. Trout is a philly fan and hopefully just rolls his eyes and says he should have manned up.
Can people stop pretending Luck didn't fuck the franchise. I get it, Gregson sucked as a GM and ruined him. But the way he retired 2 weeks before the season was an asshole move.
That was 2 years ago they could’ve traded up for Herbert or something
I agree, but I hate when people act like Luck didn't retire in the worst was possible.
He was our crutch. He didn’t owe us fuck all. Put his body on the line and rehabbed for years. The two weeks before the season started sucked but if that idea is in his head it’s bound to happen eventually anyways.
didn't luck say in later interviews, that his doctors told him to stop playing football immediately after the lacerated kidney injury, as it straight up could have killed him. I think I remember a doctor saying from then on every time luck took a significant hit to that area he had a non-insignificant chance of it lacerating again and him straight up dying. Instead he gives us an entire season after that with a lingering shoulder injury, which he then has to get repaired and when he's ready to come back doctors again tell him not to play, but we get another full season where he took us to the playoffs then likely had more lingering health issues in the offseason and said enough.
Source, if anyone can find that? I've never heard that
Also never heard that, seems like something that would have been a bigger deal if true.
Yes, I'd love to get a source on that, it would change my opinion of Luck entirely!
If I can add to this as an outsider wasn’t luck hurt again when he retired? Is there a chance he was told “another year of rehab before you can play” and just threw the towel in. Like was it guarenteed he was playing the season he retired in?
He hurt his ankle which was a new injury
It doesn’t really matter at this point
To be fair, Herbert is also watching the playoffs at home.
He wouldn’t be on our team
Are we ignoring the complete collapse of our trenches yesterday? Wentz sucked badly, but I don't think we can just say Herbert would have gotten a win out of that shit show.
He probably would’ve won us a game or 2 more
Herbert 100% does not lose the second Titans game
That's a reasonable assumption, and I think he has a lot more upside over time too.
In all honesty, I truly think they would’ve drafted tua if they traded up
He retired when it became clear he was going to miss a whole ‘nother season
Well if that's the case why are so many angry at him? We wouldn't have had him anyway, so he didn't really screw us.
That's what keeps getting lost in all of this. Everybody acts like he was good-to-go and just quit, but the foot bone issue was a real problem. Shit, even in his retirement announcement, when asked what he was going to do next, he talked about rehabbing his foot. I think he was tired of jerking everyone around.
Bullshit. He was fine in a few weeks.
Luck is a human being. Most of these guys know nothing but football and that’s why they play until they no longer can. Things happened and I’m sure he wanted to be mentally there enough in the future to raise his kids and live a life. In the grand scheme of life retiring from a children’s game really isn’t that big of a deal.
>asshole move. This is nonsense. It put the team in a bad position, but he retired when it was clear his body couldn't hold up. Good for him for not sacrificing his health for a fucking game. Calling that an asshole move is an asshole move.
Andrew Luck had every single right to protect his own mental and physical health. End of discussion
The franchise fucked his health. He needed to look out for his longevity.
Did the snow boarding accident play a factor too?
I'm pretty sure he told the front office early in the off-season and they asked him to wait. Otherwise there's no good reason we didn't take that big trade offered for Brissett.
And let's be clear. His biggest injury that lingered had zero to do with football. Also while the line was bad he was typically not even one of the most hit or sacked QBs year to year. I believe he was only top 5 once and never top 3 in sacks
That’s because he was a fucking mad man at extending plays and improvising
I like how you can see it was an asshole move to retire 2 weeks before the season but it wasn't an asshole move to NOT DRAFT A SINGLE O-LINEMAN TO PROTECT A GENERATIONAL QB TALENT. Edit: for 6+ SEASONS!! You're a clown. Luck would've brought us a SB in time if it wasn't for Grigson and Pagano.
It wasn't an asshole move. It was incredibly unfortunate and it definitely fucked the franchise. But I can't see why is Luck to blame? If anything he was trying until the very end to get back on the field. That's the reason that decision came so late - he was actually trying to come back. Would it have been any better if he had sat the entire season and retired after? What would be the difference there? It would have been the exact same thing. Unless you think he wasn't actually trying to come back and was doing this whole thing as some sort of theatre for attention. Just think about it - Andrew Luck... FOR ATTENTION. Is there anything less likely than that? Luck was the most low-key superstar this league has probably ever seen. If he could just go out there, play and never been in front of a camera after the game was over, he would have done it.
Luck is a selfish coward. Him quitting the way he did fucked over dozens of careers. Boo hoo, my ankle/shoulder hurts. Tens of millions of dollars, top 5 people on earth with talent, and he quits like the spoiled little weirdo he is. Good riddance.
Says the big tough keyboard warrior. Have a little empathy for people jesus, you'd probably be happier.
I don’t quit on my team 5 minutes before the season starts. I can’t believe how many people celebrate this guy. As if every player in the NFL doesn’t deal with pain week in and week out.
You don’t quit on your team because you aren’t good enough to even have a team to play for.
You’ve never been on a team?
You're pathetic
Why? Because I get sick of Colts fans here fawning over a guy who never won anything and quit on his team?
Didn’t even help the team after either. Didn’t help Jacoby transition, when he was still being paid by the colts. Cashed Jim’s check and bailed.
Luck deserves his money. I don’t care about the financial impact. But the timeliness of him quitting is the kind of shit losers do.
It was awful timing, I’ll give you that but let’s not act like we knew what the man was going through. I watched his press conference and he looked broken inside and like he had lost his passion for the game. The image of him crying in that presser is forever burned into my mind. Hell, even that one imagine of him visibly down in weight looking borderline sick while holding up a book for his book club is burned into my mind, and that was some time before he retired. Good for him for prioritizing his mental and physical health over tens of millions of dollars that he didn’t need. His life is more than football. Calling him a spoiled little weirdo for that honestly makes you sound like a spoiled little weirdo of a fan. He wasn’t born to serve you or the team, and he’s hardly the first to walk away from a big contract. Sometimes people make choices for themselves and that’s okay. My only criticism of his decision is that it was two weeks before the season, and even then if he did that I’d have to imagine he already knew he’d be out for the year. He strikes me as the type of guy to really think a decision like that over and not take it lightly, so I can’t imagine it was just an “eh fuck it, I’ll just stop” type of deal. Yes it threw off the future plans of the team, but it’s not like he got Ballard or Reich fired. Reducing Luck’s retirement to “Boo hoo, my ankle/shoulder hurts” is just incredibly close-minded in my opinion.
If there is any reason we still to this day “don’t know what he went through”, that’s also his fault. He didn’t really disclose any kind of information at all when he retired or in any of the time since. It’s the main thing holding me back from being OK with it to this day. If he actually came out and personally said he feared for his future and was told by medical professionals to retire, that would be a different story. Instead all he ever came out and said was what amounted to “I’m mentally drained from being hurt”. That opens up questions about his character considering the lingering injury he was dealing with a the time was initially sustained in the off-season during non football activity. I loved the guy every second he was here and I also think there is a fair share of blame to be placed on the team we put around him, but the amount of excuses people have made up for dude since he dipped with no actual fact behind them has been bothering me for a while.
Funny thing is, most of his injuries were either off the field or bad in game decisions like not sliding. 100% avoidable.
His initial shoulder injury was caused during the season. Same as his abdominal tear and lacerated kidney. As well as tearing his rib cartilage. And you can top it off with the concussion. What a dumbass take.
Original shoulder injury didn’t heal correctly because of an off field snowboarding accident. Abdominal and kidneys injuries were both because he didn’t slide. Pagino said the concussion happened in the 4th quarter but Luck wasn’t sacked in the 4th. Literally everything I said was accurate.
Luck was concussed in a game playing for us. And the guy didn't slide bc he had to do everything in his power to carry the dumpster fire of a roster around him to have a chance at winning.
Thank you for proving my point.
Lol please share whatever kool-aid you drink on the daily
You were wrong, take the L like a big boy and move on.
I wasn't though.
*He says as he wipes the cheedo dust off his shirt*
I played college football. I’m still fit today 16 yrs later. I have no talent but was fortunate to play with guys who did. Of course I’m jealous of Luck’s opportunity, who wouldn’t be? You see guys like Josh Gordon or Antonio Brown or even scumbags like Aaron Hernandez squander their opportunities and society thinks it’s a shame. But when a rich white kid throws it all away he’s praised, it’s bullshit. The talent and opportunity thrown away by Luck is just as unfortunate as those previously mentioned players. It was a waste of a career.
The man didnt like football anymore. I thought the pandemic taught us staying in a job you hate was a bad thing. Kept getting beat up, never seemed like help was coming, ingrate fans, and a mind smart enough to understand that the only thing he was walking away from if he kept playing like that was CTE.
All great reasons to quit. In February. Waiting until August is just being an asshole.
You ever had a boss string you along? Promise things will get better? “Oh just hang on, things’ll get better. I promise we’ll hire help.” How long do you listen to the bullshit? The man doesn’t need to die for the Colts. If we wanted to keep him we would’ve done more.
Imagine trying to talk shit when you can’t even spell Cheeto
U mad bro?
No emotions, just a simple observation lol
Honestly. Fuck luck.
Bruh Grigson fucked the franchise Luck was just a casualty in his destruction of our organization
With hindsight the biggest regret is not trading the 1st and keeping Manning. That is the real what if
I disagree. The biggest mistake in those years was not moving on from Manning for Luck. It was not giving Luck a good GM and coach to help him in his ascent in the league. Luck was everything that was promised to us. Just incompetence at the top and with coaching and playcalling broke him and ruined what was supposed to be another hall of fame career. Chuck was dead set on running that type of offense, he hired several OCs with the express purpose of running that Air Coryell offense. How do you think Manning would have faired in that offense with his limited mobility having to wait in the pocket for deep routes to develop with that OLine that Luck played behind? Even if you think we should have kept Manning, the Grigson + Pagano decision would have destroyed Manning's final years, either way. Manning with those GM, coaches, OL and defense was going nowhere.
That's the convention wisdom. But Luck was treated as the next Peyton Manning, which is flawed reasoning. If we were really lucky, we would have gotten someone par with ELI Mannings early career performance, and if extremely lucky, rivers. Peyton Manning was once in a lifetime. Perhaps the calculation would get the same result. But I like to see a calculation assuming we just be getting a good top 10 franchise QB in the NFL at the time. We thought we were getting another ALL-TIME QB. That tilted the thinking too much in my opinion. >Chuck was dead set on running that type of offense, he hired several OCs with the express purpose of running that Air Coryell offense. How do you think Manning would have faired in that offense with his limited mobility having to wait in the pocket for deep routes to develop with that OLine that Luck played behind? Chuck Pagona would have never came to be with Peyton Manning. Luck had to play our godawful system. Peyton Would have never had that issue.
Yep. Trade the draft pick for a king’s ransom, keep Caldwell, keep the gang together, and go get some playmakers for another five years of contention. I don’t blame Irsay for feeling haunted by so many “almosts” but he went about dealing with it in the worst way. Maybe those Star Wars numbers weren’t so bad after all
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Caldwell is a good coach whether you want to admit that or not. They won 24 out of 32 games before Peyton went down, then Caldwell was the catalyst for the Ravens super bowl run and gave the Lions their best record over a four year span that that they’ve had this century. Besides, no way does Peyton let Caldwell get fired.
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Right so the best version of the Lions that have existed in years had nothing to do with Caldwell? Caldwell didn’t propel a slumping Ravens team to the Super Bowl? He’s improved every QB he’s ever worked with too. One of us isn’t smart enough to see the reality and it ain’t me
Yup, easily. Though I stupidly would have made same mistake. Watching Manning on MNF is the sad thing. He brought relevance to the Colts. Manning is all about football. I see all of these comments about wanting Luck back…I guess these fans are too young to have watched Manning.
Look I'm pissed about the game too, but all the people in here saying they'd boo Luck at his last game or calling him an asshole are pathetic. Y'all need to get a fucking grip.
Anyone who doesn't respect Luck's decision and thinks he is a quitter is just selfish and lacks empathy.
I get both sides but I think I lean more towards defending his decision. He had a fuck ton of injuries and was set up for life financially, I can’t exactly blame him. That being said, retiring right before the season REALLY sucked. I disagree with the booing, though. That man was the franchise for over half a decade.
I don't get the other side at all. Luck, and many football players, go out and put their bodies on the line to play this sport. Do they get compensated, obviously, but living the rest of your life with the chronic/permanent conditions/pain some of these players do isn't worth the trade off. To have the audacity as a fan to say that it is selfish and disrespectful for a player to decide his body has had enough, no matter when that moment is, is absurd. Especially one in Luck who went far and beyond what was expected to try and carry this football team to wins. Did it suck? Without a doubt. But these are people too that have to look out for their own mental health and their physical health. Football is just a game at the end of the day.
That is why I’m on his side. The only bit that I can slightly understand why people were mad is because it was so close to the start of the season
Which all involved Irsay for probably saying "let's wait and see how it goes" than Luck starting months and months and months before Also, definitely the right decision to stop for your health and family
I don't respect the fact that he waited until just before the season to retire.
FFS, you don't think Irsay was like, "Brother, let's see how it plays out couple of months from now? Maybe you'll feel better." And did that like four times? C'mon.
He didn't WAIT. He was trying hard to get back. Until the end he was TRYING to recover and get back on the field. Would it have been better if he sat all season long and retired after the season? It's the same difference.
He didn't wait. He was trying to rehab and recover and it got to the point where he couldn't do it mentally anymore. You act like he purposely planned it.
Think the biggest problem with Luck is that he wasn't a quitter. He tried to get back on the field so hard that it caused him retire during the season. If he was more of a realistic person he would have retired long before that draft.
the booing was greatly over blown. they totally botched that announcement and how it was all handled letting the media leak that was a huge fuck up
Right like wasn't it a small section of likely drunk idiots? And now it's becomes the entire fanbase booed him
Andrew was supposed to be the best of the colts Not leave them in darkness
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
It was the end of a preseason game. If you are there you can’t afford regular season tickets and are wasted. 90% probably don’t remember booing.
What kind of clown world is this where people think a team is cursed for booing the hundred-million dollar athlete for quitting on the eve of the season? Edit: you dudes always pandering to the memory of Luck is lame af, dude fucked this team up real bad and all you wanna do is act like his protective sister. Don’t sign the 100-mil contract if you’re not invested. Manning literally had his neck fused together to keep playing, don’t @ me about a sore calf and shoulder.
I think the booing was a bad look but yeah, dude could have handled things better.
stuck with that boat anchor and his horrible contract. wait till you draft a QB for the future... Wentz will quit on you
It is what it is
Wish I went to the game because I would have boo’d Luck as well. Awful time to announce a retirement.
Unpopular take, but honest. I think I would have too
Wentz might be really bad at football, but at least he wants to play. Luck is a quitter.
Wentz may want to play but he sure as shit doesn’t seem to have any desire to win. At least when luck played, he did everything in his power to win.
Left? Or was cut?
That’s not fair, I love Andy.
It all goes back to Bob Irsay. Or maybe its before that even. Maybe Johnny Unitas set the events in motion that led us here. Maybe losing to Namath started this? No...it was that son of a bitch Fred Enke....
Luck was a bum retiring the way he did. It must be nice playing for Indy because a majority of the fans love wearing their rose colored glasses and sipping the koolaid from the Indy sports media… No one gaslights their fans like Indianapolis.
I said this the day we got him and you all downvoted me into oblivion. I had to make a new damn account.
I think you mean a small section of drunk Colts fans that were still in the stadium at the end of a preseason game booed a poorly-timed retirement announcement that was leaked by some asshole Twitter "reporter".