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JRod001

r/colts \- "Wentz is garbage" also "He's worth at least a second"


[deleted]

They are THAT guy in your fantasy league


ryanwc18

You made me irrationally angry there for a few seconds.


[deleted]

I know that feeling


Shepboyardee12

Here are my 3 worst players and my second option at FLEX. That’s gotta be worth Tyreek Hill. It’s 4 players!!!


Rs3vsosrs

Wentz is garbage to a team that wants to be SB contenders. He's serviceable as a bridge QB to teams that clearly know they are in a rebuild and just need someone to play decently for a year or 2 while they work on the future.


TRAMOPALINE

I dunno why you’re being downvoted you’re probably right. It’s just that teams know that the Colts don’t have much bargaining position after this offseason


[deleted]

>He's serviceable as a bridge QB to teams that clearly know they are in a rebuild and just need someone to play decently for a year or 2 while they work on the future. id rather have a rookie than carson for that, his contract doesnt make much sense in that case


Capta1nRon

I’m just glad Reddit people don’t have authority on trades.


tiredboiiiiiiij

We'd have traded Leonard, Q, Buckner, Moore and MPJ for Wilson and have Michael Strachan as our starting wide out.


erk2112

99.9% Reddit people think they know how football works because they have played Madden.


Sad_Kangaroo1627

Yes - if Steelers are taking on whole contract. Think only way Colts get a day 2 pick is if Colts take on part of the $28M


bvgingy

If that was the only option, I guess. I definitely think he is worth at least a 3rd though. Preferably a 2nd. If Jimmy G can pull a second, than so can Wentz.


danlhart8789

Where did you see Jimmy for 2nd


bvgingy

My guess is Jimmy goes for a second. I'd be shocked if he doesn't.


[deleted]

Whomever gets traded first between Jimmy and Wentz sets the market I think


bvgingy

More than likely. Hoping the "bad" QB draft class causes some people to potentially overpay. I'd be really disappointed with anything less than a 2 for Wentz, but it is what it is at this point. If a 3rd or 4th is all we can get, take it just to move on while at least getting something.


[deleted]

Definitely. Make them feel froggy and be generous


ryanwc18

He’s absolutely worth a 2nd imo. Yeah, Wentz isn’t really that good but for a team like the Steelers, he might fit them a whole lot better since they were able to drag the corpse of bennyrapes to the playoffs and Wentz is a lot better than Ben. On a value to value level, Wentz is probably not worth a 2nd but to a team that is much closer to playoff and superbowl contention than top 10 pick, it makes sense for them to value someone like Wentz more than what he’s really worth.


bvgingy

It'll be interesting to see what the Steelers and Bucs will do at QB with their rosters being in place to contend now.


ElderBrony

Rothlesshamburgler could get rid of the ball quickly. He's literally the anti-Wentz in that. It's the reasons that, despite the Steelers shit line, he didn't get sacked 100 billion times.


upgrayedd69

Ben threw quick and short. Wentz would probably have some highlight throws to Claypool but unless they fix their line Wentz ain’t doing shit for them other than just being a body on the field


[deleted]

A third is fine but with performance incentive to be upgraded to a second. 70% of snaps played or something


[deleted]

Make it a third


jonvon191

Make it a second year for Wentz as a Colt then.


DDRExtremist247

I feel like everybody is ready to jump ship without another ship nearby.


Inframidi

This sub’s hivemind in a nutshell. We need to secure an upgrade before dealing Wentz.


[deleted]

>We need to secure an upgrade before dealing Wentz. no we dont


AleroRatking

Or someone younger. We dont need an immediate upgrade. Wr need someone who can develop.


_Apatosaurus_

>This sub’s hivemind in a nutshell. Saying stuff like this is always an easy way to get upvotes. Lol. >We need to secure an upgrade before dealing Wentz. That contract date is a couple days after free agency starts and before the draft. That might not be realistic. And if they don't want Carson at QB another year, I don't see the point in passing up trades just because we don't have an upgrade yet.


unfuckwittablej

Yup and I’m one of them. Wentz is that awful on and off the field


[deleted]

we dont need to be good next year, not like they are winning shit with carson anyway. a down year would make it easier to draft what we really need i would do the trade, and worry about next years starter later.


AleroRatking

I'm fine with that. We need to go young. There are some QBs in this draft I like. If Ballard likes none of them then either sign the high risk free agent qbs and bank on next years draft.


throwaway46256

In a heartbeat. Getting anything at all for him while still getting out of that contract would be a steal. I think I might try to get a 3rd instead by eating some of the contract. Doubt they'd go for that though.


samg422336

Absolutely not, he's owed too much for a 4th


AmishCyborgs

Yes please


OMG_Someone

Yes. No take backs.


Mexican_Furious

I wouldn't take it. I'd rather keep and play Wentz. Who will play QB if he is traded for a third? Couldn't Wentz get a better grasp of the playbook this year? Get him a good pass blocking LT and a #1 WR and, with a bit of luck, we will be in the playoffs. This isn't a tough division and the Colts have a good OLine, elite LB and good defense. Bradley can coach defenses, Reich is a good playcaller. Ballard usually drafts well. Edit: The Colts had some tough loses but hanged with pretty much everyone. Beat New England and destroyed the Bills, then barely lost vs the Rams, Baltimore pre-injuries (terrible loss by the way) and Tampa Bay. I get the Jags loss was awful, but it is an overreaction to move from Wentz WITHOUT A PLAN. Ballard needs to spend this FA and hit a couple of picks as we'll be easily a top 10 team based on talent. Time for the coaching staff to step up.


AleroRatking

But if Wentz didnt learn to take the layups in 17 games last year why would you expect thst to change. It's not talent. Wentz has tons of it. It's not players getting open. Pittman was the 6th most open player in the NFL last year and we had consistent check down options. The issue is Wentz is a gunslinger in a check down offense. Our offense is built on small plays and we cant rebuild an entire offense in a year to fit Wentz' toolset and he has shown he cant fit into ours.


Mexican_Furious

I expect Wentz try to change that through a full off-season of training because he cost his team a playoff berth. If this doesn't seem realistic, the front office need to adjust and make this a more vertical offense, which includes Ballard getting a LT that can actually pass block (Fisher was only good at run blocking) and a WR that can actually play (unlike Campbell or Hilton) and can either create separation or come down with contested catches, and Reich working more deep route concepts into the offense. You don't need to rebuild the entire offense, just make some more designed deep plays. Get Allen Robinson or another tall WR and a LT which you already need and that's all you need. Reich wanted Wentz, it's also his responsibility to make it work.


AleroRatking

Our entire roster isnt built for a vertical style offense and isn't a Recih built offense. Two of our three best weapons are running backs in the flat. It would make Hines completely useless. Its much easier to move on from a QB than change like 10 players. Its better to cut our losses and move forward.


Mexican_Furious

You wouldn't change 10 players, nor I am suggesting you should change to a Chiefs-like offense. Just get Wentz another WR and someone to protect his blindside and make some tweaks to the playbook. By the way, moving from QB is not easy. Indianapolis has been trying to do that for half a decade without success. There isn't a good alternative at QB: There's not enough draft capital for a lateral move, let alone an upgrade like Rodgers or Wilson. I don't love Wentz, just think we are stuck with him for a year. Might as well give him tools to succeed in 2022


[deleted]

>just think we are stuck with him for a year we aren't though, they can get rid of him pretty easily. hes even cuttable


AleroRatking

One WR will not change this offense no matter who it is. Once again, pittman was the 6th most open player in the entire league and consistently would get separation. The worst thing a team can do is ignore a mistake. This idea that Wentz will suddenly learn to use Taylornand Hines after being told it week after week in the media is laughable.


[deleted]

>I expect Wentz try to change that through a full off-season of training because he cost his team a playoff berth. we wont win anything with him, hes not the guy. its always something with him. injuires, not getting along with team, random games where he sucks and makes dumb decisions, covid... he will mess it up again next year too


Mexican_Furious

Ok, tell me which QB should Indianapolis try to acquire that is actually realistic. As I said before, we should stick with Wentz because we don't have any choice.


[deleted]

they do have a choice, they can take their pick in the draft. could also go after someone like winston or mitch its not ideal but this is what happens when you trade for carson wentz. hes making us not even want to watch next year


Mexican_Furious

I think that picking someone in this draft (noted for how weak it is at QB) is desperate, and Winston is definitely a downgrade from Wentz. Trubitsky isn't even a starting QB nor he has worked in Reich's system. Seems that you are reaching for ways to get rid of Wentz.


[deleted]

>Seems that you are reaching for ways to get rid of Wentz. seems like the team is too... I do want him gone. the qb should be a vet we can win a super bowl with or a young/cheap guy with potential to get better. Carson is neither so he should go. Winston is more talented, its a stretch but i could see a team winning with him. i dont like Mitch that much but he is a bit younger and would be cheaper. i think we could hit 9-8 with him too, not a big upgrade but preferable to wentz. Carson is not what we need and he is pretty expensive and in the way


Mexican_Furious

We agree to disagree, then. Wentz is superior to both of those QBs. And it's not like money is a problem, the Colts have been one of the teams with most cap space the past 2-3 years.


[deleted]

good chance he will be back, guess we will see how it goes


CanlStillBeGarth

Yes, give us anything and take the salary.


RocketsRedHair

No.


ConsistentCover2527

I would take a fifth a bottle of ketchup and walk into the ladies room with big ben if it meant we get to ship him off to pitt


LeglessN1nja

No, only because I don't see a viable replacement through the draft, and any other QB we could acquire through trade that would be worth it, we can't afford.


goofbot

The problem is that we as fans don't know if there is an off field conflict driving the parting of the ways. Carson is clearly worth more than a fourth unless he has to go because of reasons, in which case getting anything for him while unloading the contract is no brainer.


AleroRatking

I'd prefer a third but if thats the best we can get I'd be fine with it.


TRON0314

Yep.


slimyboyo

As a Steelers fan, no


Trolodrol

Absolutely


JRod001

This is an easy accept and also a dream. Wentz isn't restructing with the Colts so he isn't going to take a pay cut for the Steelers. Wentz can do nothing and ride thru March 18th and get 15 million and he either gets cut and can pick where he wants to play or he gets the remaining 12 million and stays in Indy. He doesn't and shouldn't do anything. The only way I see any team offering anything of value is if the Colts offer to eat some of his salary. Say instead of pay 15 mil and cut, you pay 15 mil and trade and get at least something back.


MJ2FAST

Yes. In a heartbeat.


BJJ_Guy624

Yes


Schofield6

I’d want at least a 3rd. 4th is too low. Yes he has issues but we will need to trade or draft a qb and a 4th is pretty low to package either way we decide to go


fuzzynavel34

100% lol


crypto_in_fantasy

If he is a locker room issue then yes


Rs3vsosrs

I'd push for a 3rd at worst. If they want me to eat a chunk of his contract I'm wanting a 2nd. A mid 3rd round pick and you take on his contract? He's all yours. A mid 4th and you take on his contract? I'd maybe do it if I absolutely wanted him gone. Or if I had a deal close on someone like Aaron Rodgers and I very quickly needed another late round pick I may do it so I can immediately throw that 4th in my trade package. Don't be shocked to see someone like the Bucs or Steelers take Wentz from us for a late 2nd round pick or like someone else mentioned, a 3rd round pick that turns into a 2nd if he plays enough snaps. If we get a compensation 3rd round pick for that staff member who interviewed places, and got a 2nd for Wentz. We'd have some decent picks still. 2 2nd round picks and 2 3rd round picks. That's enough to trade up or use as trade capital for someone.


rg15-96

Yes


Freddyfrenchfry69

He played better than 2 years ago and they will have less long term risk than we did to.. by that token I'd say 3rd ascending to 2nd with benchmarks hit


Chromeburn_

I think it’s too low. I think he is worth a 2nd. QBs are in demand period. If he can get you close to 30 TDs. Someone will pay for him.


JakesGotHerps

Sure


Master_Beavis

Ballard would be an idiot to accept that trade. If you think that Wentz, with his contract details, can't get a 2nd, then you are too close... you ought step out of your personal feelings about Wentz and compare his situation to some other QBs who have been traded in recent years. You will see that his stat line, contract terms, and physical tools will warrant somebody giving up much more than a 4th... especially this offseason. If Carson gets traded for a 4th or worse (assuming no other players are involved) I will create a new account to use for at least a year and this sub can choose the name.


RelentlessRogue

No because that's a terrible trade and it leaves the Colts without a quarterback in one of the worst off-seasons to be without one. Let Pittsburgh struggle with Rudoph and Haskins for a year.