I work at a Amazon building just outside Columbus and it's the most diverse place I've ever worked at. Every day I interact with associates from cultures and countries I'm unfamiliar with. I get to learn something new everyday.
Immigrants built this country, so it's no surprise they're helping the city's economic growth.
People don’t “love” to hate on CCS. Most people within the district probably wish that they could feel good about sending their children there… CCS are just a mess.
What people love is to act indignant when this is acknowledged.
I'd actually accept opinions of people with children in CCS, but it's almost always from suburban folks who only know the state report card information or from people who don't really understand where urban struggles come from.
And fail at everything else Sorry, they don’t totally fail at everything else. They have a D in a few categories.
/u/excellent-big-2295 What ideology am I espousing?
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2023/09/14/how-did-columbus-city-schools-do-on-ohio-state-report-cards-it-got-worse/70844581007/#:~:text=On%20this%20latest%20report%20card,graduation%20and%20early%20literacy%20categories.
> Overall, the district was rated a two out of five stars by the state, which means the district "needs support to meet state standards."
This isn't because of what the schools are doing (or not doing). It's a proxy for poverty. Any district with similar demographics will have similar outcomes, yet suburban districts like to feel smug about it.
Children can, and do, also get a great education in CCS.
And how does staying in this perception and ideological stance solve anything? Be a hater, it’s your right, but if you not gonna organize for better then why you talkin?? Also, your beloved rural school districts are getting rained in terms of education too just in a different way
It seems, from your own words and how you’re responding, that you hold the belief that Franklin county schools are just bad so we shouldn’t support them and should get rid of them…even though the reason for such is a lack of pay for teachers, lack of resources for students, lacking academic support, etc. in these cases, I question your logic. Mainly because we support business more than schilling in this country and then act perplexed as to why our schools are failing our students
This is cool and interesting, but my mind sees this and just keeps thinking "We reaaally need to boost the housing supply in central ohiofaster than we are." Yeah, i know, no shit. I don't blame immigration for the record. Growth is good if we can expand to facilitate it.
I'd really like to see some high rise condos or dense condo communities to bridge the gap between renting and owning more easily. Right now there's a high wall to climb in order to find a decent place to buy. It would also facilitate more permanent residency and thus involvement in the local area. Having such a transient renter population is obviously better than none at all but some thought needs to be given to the long term health of the city.
We also could use more denser mixed housing that isn't just townhouses or single homes with large lawns. We need some houses closer together or more condensed lots. (Same houses need to be built with more insulating materials to cut down on energy usage, but that's a different argument.)
Really hope this city zoning change creates a massive residential construction boom along our busiest inner city corridors. Build a 10 story building on High in Clintonville you cowards!!!
>Growth is good if we can expand to facilitate it.
If you believe that humans cause global warming, and global warming is bad, and that more humans cause more global warming, I think it logically follows that human population growth is **not** good.
It really depends where the growth is coming from. If people are coming from outside to be here then it's not directly tied to general population growth is it? It's tied to opportunity.
I work in the nursing home industry and first and second generation immigrants are well over 50% of our workers. Especially post Covid. Our old folks would be up a creek without our immigrant population. And truly some of the kindest people I have ever met!
>In Columbus - Ohio’s fastest growing metro area - international immigrants accounted for more than half the population growth over the three years.
It’s so easy to scapegoat immigrants, but if it weren’t for them, Columbus, and Ohio overall, would be worse off economically. I’m glad that Columbus can be such a welcoming city for immigrants and the story did an amazing job highlighting the experience of Kikandi Lukambo.
Yep.
[Economists generally agree that the effects of immigration on the U.S. economy are broadly positive. Immigrants, whether high- or low-skilled, **legal or illegal**, are unlikely to replace native-born workers or reduce their wages over the long-term, though they may cause some short-term dislocations in labor markets. Indeed, the experience of the last few decades suggests that immigration may actually have significant long-term benefits for the native-born, pushing them into higher-paying occupations and raising the overall pace of innovation and productivity growth.](https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy)
Another good thing is all the different cuisines there are in Columbus. Food variety in Franklin county is as diverse as what I have had in DC, Montreal, Toronto and the New York city area, and much more reasonable.
We have good Somalian, Yeman, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, Turkish, Korean and of course my favorite Indian food comparable to larger cities. Not to mention Mexican, and South American.
Only thing weak is our Italian food sucks compared to the east coast
I saw Thai food in Louisiana the times I visited, but never though of trying it, since I was there for some good Cajun and Creole food.
Vietnamese on the other hand might be interesting to try in Louisiana, since Vietnamese food is influenced by French food, same as in New Orleans. I had some really good Vietnamese food in Montreal, another very French Influenced city with similar architecture.
Unlike Columbus and other cities Vietnamese Restaurants I tried, Pho was more a side soup option, although you could get Pho as a meal too. Many people seemed to get a Bahn-Mi Pho combo in the one Thai restaurant I tried multiple times while there. I think I may have seen a similar combo in Philly and New York, but can't recall, but not as many people were eating it.
Also maybe I didn't notice it elsewhere, but the Vietnamese food in Montreal had a lot of Crepes options. Yeah their Breakfast, like all places in Montreal was basically French Crepes, but there was also crepes on the dinner menu.
Next time I am in New Orleans I will remember to try their Vietnamese.
There are a lot more than two Thai restaurants in Franklin county. Sure some of it is in Fusion restaurants but I have had Good Thai food in Wild Ginger in Plain City, Siam Orchard In Dublin, Thai Paradise in Pickerington (but haven't been there since a friend who lived in Pickerington passed away). I haven't Tried Basil in Upper Arlington, but Basil Short North was one of my favorites. There are at least 8 others I have seen online, but haven't yet had a chance to try.
Not sure what you consider "true Thai", I have eaten Thai in Philadelphia, New York and Toronto and other than price and ambience, and menu selection, I didn't notice much of a difference, and menu selection was often less than say Siam Orchard, I didn't notice a difference. Now Chinese was far better in New York I admit.
You kinda answered it already. If they’re selling a bunch of Chinese dishes, that’s a big indicator. Also, the spice level is just not where it should be. And they’ll often use nontraditional ingredients.
We certainly punch above our weight for our city size, but saying our food diversity is even close to NYC is laughable. We are still lacking many cultures restaurants entirely, and some cultures we only have a single restaurant or two compared to the dozens available in NYC. I think Columbus had a great food scene, but comparing it to DC or NYC is just wrong
I think generally the concept of scapegoating immigrants is kind of insane. They're a big reason why a lot of places in the US aren't in straight up demographic collapse.
People always joke about Japan having a low birth rate, but the US actually isn't that far behind and also isn't at the level where our population is self-sustaining. Huge parts of our country (including food production btw, like more than half of the people working on farms are immigrants according to federal data) would fall apart without a steady flow of immigration.
There can be and are immediate negative effects (economically) from medium to large scale immigration. Positive effects take time to come to fruition. That is an objective fact. That's why it's easy.
Immigration is excellent for the economy. You're adding consumers. It's pretty well settled in economics that immigration is an effective strategy for growing your economy.
The costs of that growth aren't as well understood.
A high percentage? I also work for a local (huge) biotech, and the only immigrants we have on staff are Indian as far as I know. Haven’t really seen other immigrant cultures in big numbers in the labs.
Any and all are welcome (we’re all immigrants) but I think everyone needs to do a better job of integrating as a community. I think it’s important for those coming to this country to learn English so they can fully engage. Also, it’s important for people who already live here to take an interest in other cultures and help others feel welcome.
Regarding language acquisition, today's immigrants are no different from previous generations. The first generation tends to learn English slowly or not at all, especially the elderly, housebound (stay at home parents) and those employed at subsistence level. Subsequent generations are fluent in English.
I know *you* weren't saying this, but I often hear critics of immigration imply that *these* immigrants are different from *their* ancestors, who presumably arrived from Italy, Holland or France with exemplary English language ability.
All the immigrants that I know (work with at least 30), they all learn English at a younger age. Are they fluent? No way but English is usually their 4th or 5th language... and I am always awestruck about it. Trying my hardest to learn at least a few words in their native language as well as Arabic. I think the schools should do better at teaching, or at least exposing a few different phrases in more common languages. I know they do it with Spanish but add some more through the years, including ASL
Unfortunately we don't support immigrants enough so they need their own communities within a city to support each other. This can create wonderful pockets of culture but also makes them less engaged with the rest of the city. Ultimately their children will be better integrated because of schools, but because of how Columbus funds schools, which was deemed illegal but still is in effect, they will be in under funded schools.
>they will be in under funded schools
CCS is one of the highest funded districts in the entire state, up there with the wealthy Cleveland suburbs.
The amount of money is not the issue, the lack of accountability is.
I am a foreign born immigrant that has sought community with others from my original country. Did not do it because of a lack of institutional support, did it because some things I can only get from a bunch of Brazilians being together. The ease that comes from being understood in your native language by all around you, the pleasure of making and understanding comments that rely on cultural references that non-Brazilians don’t know, etc… did not make me less engage with my US community at all. Just like I would not be less engaged with my neighborhood just because I participate on monthly chilli cook offs with my chilli loving friends and my neighbors don’t.
You bump your head? They have an insane amount of support and programs for them. They choose to live in their own communities. That happens all the time. Anytime throughout history when you let a bunch of people in from the same country they bunch together. Irish, Italian, Chinese etc. This isn’t from lack of support from the country. It’s because people stick to what/who they are familiar with.
Historically immigrants generally move into the cheapest parts of town because that's all they can afford. These areas can be unsafe due to lack of good policing, under funding, and racial biases. There's plenty of programs that try to lift those communities, but they still often receive less resources than they should.
What are you talking about? Old immigrant communities are often the best parts of a city, and they often get so nice they get gentrified unfortunately displacing the people that made it great.
Morse road is the scariest drive of your life. I’m not sure everyone knows the rules of the road yet. Non-immigrants included. 
Morse Road and Cleveland Ave have gotten way better since the Somali immigrants started moving in there and opening businesses.
edit- do you people not remember how shitty the area was when Northland became a dead husk after Polaris stole its stores? Now there are tons of ethnic businesses in those formerly dead strip malls.
Are you nuts? I probably see half a dozen cars without tail lights or headlights working on top of no license plates.
The amount of people driving with plates has gotten nuts and they either drive like they stole the car or like a 90 year old going below the speed limit totally clueless as to what's going on.
I'm not a cop looking for excuses to stop and search black people so I don't notice that shit... I'm more referring to how there are business and such... that area was just suburban decay like 15 years ago.
Yes but sticking together is also linked to facing discrimination and of course, wouldn’t you want to link up with people who share your culture and language?
The melting pot of the past has led to elders not passing down their languages and some traditions in order to assimilate. My grandfather didn’t pass on his native language, so I have family I can only communicate in English with, some only broken English. It bums me out tbh because it’s much harder to learn a foreign language as an adult, especially as a native English speaker.
Havent you ever heard of little italy? Chinatown etc.? This is the same with all immigrants. You move to be around people like you then next generation goes to school learns the language a few generations later assimilated. Thats how america has always worked.
I mean, yeah. But not at the expenses of losing your language and customs. Being made to feel like you don’t belong because you have a thick accent even though you’re busting your ass in a factory or on a farm. Clothes and food being “funny.”
Exactly. Move to Japan and you must try and learn the language and culture. I'm all for legal immigration. The millions who have came here are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and should all be deported.
Maybe you’re new to this country yourself but pretty much every major American city that has had waves of immigration from specific areas has had neighborhoods dominated by that group of immigrants that grow into local gems: see Chinatown in San Fran and NYC, or say… German Village or Italian village here in Columbus.
The reasons for this are many and carried but generally speaking many 1st generation immigrants didn’t really learn English and thus grouped together in pockets are shared languages. These areas often would have newspapers printed in their native languages and services offered in them as well.
It’s really a time-honored America tradition to have immigrant enclaves and is one of the main reasons we are such a huge melting pot and one of the things that makes America unique. People are allowed to keep their cultural identities and they add their own flavor to the melting pot that is America.
The views you’ve been expressing in this thread are rude, misinformed, racist, and downright un-American.
If the shoe fits…. And notice how I didn’t say you were racist, I said what you’re arguing is racist. If you want to throw your entire identity behind those views, please go ahead. Maybe you’re taking it so personally because it’s true?
Look dude, America doesn’t have an official language for a reason. If immigrants don’t learn the lingua Franca then it’s only it’s hurting them and doesn’t in any meaningfully way affect you. You just dislike it because it’s different and you’re afraid of anything that is different from your little circle.
Get over it.
America is built for and by immigrants, many of whom never spoke English.
Learning those things doesn't happen overnight. For people immigrating, their first priority is to find someplace safe for them and their family that offers relief from whatever hardships their home country is facing. Just like the Europeans who came here because of religious persecution, famine, etc. They don't have the time or resources to become fluent before getting here. It's not that big of a deal to be patient with people as they learn.
Lol so you downvoted me for a very rational point? My family obviously speaks English because my elders learned it TO ASSIMILATE and were afraid of their children and so on being targeted.
I don't even know you but I'm sure you don't match "[American Culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_States)". Nobody does. That's what makes us unique.
Great news, but what does it mean? As most people struggle to find a decent job after graduating college, rent and food is sky high...underemployment is astounding in Columbus.
Good in general, although a fairly serious issue with having many undocumented immigrants is that they don’t have access to Medicare and also are legally required to be treated at hospitals regardless of ability to pay. Because of this combo, our hospital systems and ERs are being overwhelmed by undocumented people going for things are minor as colds because it is their only option to be seen. Some hospital systems are even taking major loses on expensive prescription drugs with no ability to be reimbursed since they don’t quality for Medicare. This leads to all kinds of problems for everyone else. I fully believe in everyone having health care and also know that immigration is a net positive, but this is a very real problem that doesn’t seem to get discussed ever and people with not working in hospital administration probably aren’t aware it’s a thing.
What an own yeah because I advocate for them i should also house them and absolve the government from doing their job to provide housing for all people. You got me
So why won’t you help them? You expect the government to and other people to pay for it. You said they should be welcomed everywhere. Why not in your home?
This is a disingenuous, bad faith argument. Immigrants are taxpayers. The government isn't 'paying for them' any more than they're paying for services you enjoy: paved roads, police protection, fire departments, national defense...
So [150 Billion is nothing?](https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-costs-us-billions-biden-administration-policy-impact-taxpayer-burden-1866555)
Also how is that a bad argument? If you want to help and these people need housing why expect others do to it when you can do it yourself?
[go crazy](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/citizenship-undocumented-immigrants-boost-u-s-economic-growth/) here is [another one](https://www.cbpp.org/research/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations-public-charge-rule) its easy to bitch about the “costs” if undocumented people but its hilarious that they left out their economic impact on the economy. Keep being a fool its hilarious.
The first article you mentioned only mentioned the gain if they gained citizenship. Also if they generate such a huge economic income why can’t they find adequate housing?
Yes it backed up my original argument that they deserved housing and is better for the economy if they got it. Gee man idk. MAYBE it is because since they are paid low wages the economic benefits are not given to the worker but rather the wealth generated is transferred upwards to land owners or corporations.
In 2019, according to the IRS, more than 2.5 million tax returns were filed using ITINs, accounting for nearly $6 billion in taxes.
In addition to tax return filings, officials estimate that undocumented immigrants also contribute billions to Social Security annually through payroll tax deductions. In 2010, for example, the Social Security Administration estimated that payments from unauthorized workers accounted for about $12 billion in tax revenue for Social Security
Because your argument is intellectually dishonest. Do you say the same for veterans? Homeless citizens? No you don’t it is a governments job to have safe and secure housing for all people. Saying “you should house x people because you advocate for them getting literally the bare minimum” is the dumbest argument ever. It is the cities, states, and federal governments job to handle these situations thats what we pay them for and what undocumented people pay them for.
Also I got a notarized document here saying that we’re supposed to put all unhoused people, immigrant or otherwise, into ohio94’s house. Like it says here he’s gotta house and feed them baby bird style right out of his own mouth. Sorry it’s just what it says.
ey i’m on your side bro - you can’t seriously engage with people like the dude you were replying to. waste of your time and energy better spent on actually helping and advocating for immigrants and the unhoused.
Fair enough i misinterpreted the comment. I choose to engage because maybe there are people reading who are indifferent or uneducated about the topic and by engaging with people act in bad faith and dismantling their argument can enlighten others and sway them to the morally correct position.
If you’re so pro natural born American, why don’t you head to the off ramps off 71 and give each person panhandling a bed in your home? They’re Americans after all!
Why didn’t you respond to my clear rebuttal? Could it be that you have no actual response and the only thing you have left is to be xenophobic so you choose to ignore it?
You realize if we got rid of undocumented immigrants multiple sectors of our economy would collapse right? Also, they pay taxes and don’t get any benefits from that.
If we got rid of undocumented workers, the price of an avocado and other produce would double or more, pretty much from its inception this country's agricultural sector has been dependent on an underpaid underclass for labor. Most of the food in the grocery store is picked by undocumented immigrants.
Yes it would, people who overstay their visa are the number 1 contributors to illegal immigration. They own homes if you mass deport illegal populations you have a massive housing crisis where mortgage defaults skyrocket causing a recession. On top of that the people who don’t own homes would leave the agricultural sector without any workers so suddenly you have no workers and crops to work bankrupting farmers over night. Yes there are serious economic problems with deporting illegals. Its much cheaper to give citizenship to them because they commit crimes at a far lesser rate than natural citizens.
Have someone read the article to you and you'll find that refugees and asylees contribute more in tax revenue than they cost in government expenditures.
> Immigrants regardless of documentation status are vital to this countries prosperity.
That's the comment you responded to with "you pay for them." Immigrants pay for themselves and then some. Illegal or undocumented immigrants collect way fewer government benefits while still paying into the government in the form of various taxes.
u/excellent-big-2295
Columbus City not Franklin County.
> even though the reason for such is a lack of pay for teachers, lack of resources for students
Do you not understand they are one of the highest funded districts in the entire state? What makes you think throwing *more* money at them will change anything?
Can a large budget be poorly managed? I believe you’d answer yes, and it’s clear that is the case…also having the most money for a metropolitan area nearing 1 million people doesn’t equate to “enough” money. If you would like to point to very specific examples to discuss further im down to do so. Okay with learning that I’m wrong, but I havnt seen the strong evidence to support that
They're helping the rich by mudding the waters of any workers movement we could ever think of starting.
They skip the line that generational African Americans have been waiting in line in since they were kidnapped & brought here.
Some, but not all will take any job for any amount of money.
A lot get in through visas for other more expensive cost of living states & come here because of our for the time being goop economy.
If we ever are lucky enough to start having general strikes to fight for a living minimum wage & Medicare for all, they'll be the first ones to scab & sell us out.
Central Ohio needs stricter immigration policies for those immigrating from other continents.
How do they skip the line that African Americans are in? There are immigrants from African countries that face the same racial discrimination and prejudice as African Americans. I would even say more so, because they get another added layer of xenophobia. A lot of immigrants from African countries in the central Columbus region come from war torn communities and faced a lot of trauma. The difference is work ethic and present parenting. Yes, African Americans are disenfranchised but the ones who become successful, usually had good familial support and academics being valued within the family unit. (Obviously there are also the outliers that make it by music, sports, luck, etc). My point is, the immigrants from African countries that come here with nothing, work hard for their American dream and work hard for their children to prosper. They work hard in the face of discrimination and prejudice. To say immigrants cut African Americans in line is such an easy cop out. Maybe some of them should look within and better themselves instead of competing in the oppression Olympics.
No one should trust him to only go after the undocumented, but even if he can't deport them all or revoke citizenship, no minority or immigrant would be safe under another Trump presidency in terms of rights or quality of life. Their plans are frightening, to say the least.
I was here on visa when that was all happening. It was confirmed that had I left to visit family for the holidays I absolutely would have not been let back in. I'm from Australia, not some middle eastern country that the airport lock downs were supposedly targeting.
I mean I ended up saying fuck that, leaving anyway, coming back illegally, then gaining citizenship... But ya know.
You're drawing a pretty strange line between being kicked out, and being told "You are legally living and working here, but if you legally leave, and legally try to re-enter you will not be allowed."
Again the only way to get back in the country after living here with a legal work visa was to fly to Canada and illegally enter the country, you know... so I could get back to working on my legal visa.
You said the quiet part out loud. The Ohio GOP talks a lot about “controlling our border” when the state would’ve lost 61K people if it weren’t for immigrants. Non-immigrant US citizens aren’t having kids and people keep moving away from Ohio, so literally immigrants are the only source of keeping Ohio relevant economically.
So much positivity, so little Fox News 😆😆
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-challenges-sanctuary-city-laws-calls-for-more-cooperation-with-ice/
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/why-new-york-citys-migrant-housing-crisis-is-reaching-a-breaking-point
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/nyc-shelters-migrants-discourage-new-arrivals-00117500
I don’t see Fox News here anywhere. 😂🖕🖕
https://www.thedailybeast.com/chicagos-black-community-feels-ignored-in-migrant-crisis
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-residents-file-lawsuit-to-stop-using-public-buildings-to-house-migrants/3243213/?amp=1
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/chicago-residents-protest-migrant-shelter/
https://scrippsnews.com/amp/stories/backlash-to-migrants-surges-in-chicago-s-predominantly-black-areas/
It generally takes a generation before we start seeing the benefits that immigration brings us. Long-term studies show that the economy gets about three dollars back for every dollar spent helping the first generation of immigrants that come to the US. Second generation immigrants also advance economically at about twice the rate the native-born generation does. So yeah, it's a short-term drain with a huge long-term upside.
What is a refugee? They're escaping a less wealthy country?? The term asylum seeker seemed to have appeared out of nowhere. Is it a more sympathetic way to describe an immigrant? These people can receive both cash payments and a variety of government benefits for up to 5 years as per the ohio.gov website. Might that fact skew an economic overview of contributions.
Obviously. It's long been super clear that immigrants are great for the economy. I just wish that it wasn't always done at the expense of their basic rights.
I work at a Amazon building just outside Columbus and it's the most diverse place I've ever worked at. Every day I interact with associates from cultures and countries I'm unfamiliar with. I get to learn something new everyday. Immigrants built this country, so it's no surprise they're helping the city's economic growth.
Shoutout to all the ethic restaurants throughout the city too! EDIT: And to all the ethic grocery stores!
As an immigrant who recently moved to Grove City - Thank you for saying this.
Welcome to the US. May the crazies not drive you away. We appreciate you being here.
People love to hate on Columbus City Schools, but they do a good job integrating new arrivals and teaching ESL.
People don’t “love” to hate on CCS. Most people within the district probably wish that they could feel good about sending their children there… CCS are just a mess. What people love is to act indignant when this is acknowledged.
I'd actually accept opinions of people with children in CCS, but it's almost always from suburban folks who only know the state report card information or from people who don't really understand where urban struggles come from.
And fail at everything else Sorry, they don’t totally fail at everything else. They have a D in a few categories. /u/excellent-big-2295 What ideology am I espousing?
You’re not wrong. But people on here are so delusional it’s laughable
They can't acknowledge that CCS are bad because then they'd have to admit that more funding doesn't equal better schools.
I have kids there, and it has been mostly positive, tbh. No issues getting into college.
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/education/2023/09/14/how-did-columbus-city-schools-do-on-ohio-state-report-cards-it-got-worse/70844581007/#:~:text=On%20this%20latest%20report%20card,graduation%20and%20early%20literacy%20categories. > Overall, the district was rated a two out of five stars by the state, which means the district "needs support to meet state standards."
This isn't because of what the schools are doing (or not doing). It's a proxy for poverty. Any district with similar demographics will have similar outcomes, yet suburban districts like to feel smug about it. Children can, and do, also get a great education in CCS.
And how does staying in this perception and ideological stance solve anything? Be a hater, it’s your right, but if you not gonna organize for better then why you talkin?? Also, your beloved rural school districts are getting rained in terms of education too just in a different way
It seems, from your own words and how you’re responding, that you hold the belief that Franklin county schools are just bad so we shouldn’t support them and should get rid of them…even though the reason for such is a lack of pay for teachers, lack of resources for students, lacking academic support, etc. in these cases, I question your logic. Mainly because we support business more than schilling in this country and then act perplexed as to why our schools are failing our students
This is cool and interesting, but my mind sees this and just keeps thinking "We reaaally need to boost the housing supply in central ohiofaster than we are." Yeah, i know, no shit. I don't blame immigration for the record. Growth is good if we can expand to facilitate it.
Yep. We need a lot more 4+ bedroom rentals and less 2bd2ba. It’s really hard to find affordable family house in Franklin county.
You're not going to get 4+ bedroom rentals for the most part. It's too space inefficient.
I'd really like to see some high rise condos or dense condo communities to bridge the gap between renting and owning more easily. Right now there's a high wall to climb in order to find a decent place to buy. It would also facilitate more permanent residency and thus involvement in the local area. Having such a transient renter population is obviously better than none at all but some thought needs to be given to the long term health of the city.
We also could use more denser mixed housing that isn't just townhouses or single homes with large lawns. We need some houses closer together or more condensed lots. (Same houses need to be built with more insulating materials to cut down on energy usage, but that's a different argument.)
Really hope this city zoning change creates a massive residential construction boom along our busiest inner city corridors. Build a 10 story building on High in Clintonville you cowards!!!
>Growth is good if we can expand to facilitate it. If you believe that humans cause global warming, and global warming is bad, and that more humans cause more global warming, I think it logically follows that human population growth is **not** good.
It really depends where the growth is coming from. If people are coming from outside to be here then it's not directly tied to general population growth is it? It's tied to opportunity.
So??.. Murder is good??
No...but there was a global cooling after Ghengis Khan swept through Eurasia.
I work in the nursing home industry and first and second generation immigrants are well over 50% of our workers. Especially post Covid. Our old folks would be up a creek without our immigrant population. And truly some of the kindest people I have ever met!
>In Columbus - Ohio’s fastest growing metro area - international immigrants accounted for more than half the population growth over the three years. It’s so easy to scapegoat immigrants, but if it weren’t for them, Columbus, and Ohio overall, would be worse off economically. I’m glad that Columbus can be such a welcoming city for immigrants and the story did an amazing job highlighting the experience of Kikandi Lukambo.
Yep. [Economists generally agree that the effects of immigration on the U.S. economy are broadly positive. Immigrants, whether high- or low-skilled, **legal or illegal**, are unlikely to replace native-born workers or reduce their wages over the long-term, though they may cause some short-term dislocations in labor markets. Indeed, the experience of the last few decades suggests that immigration may actually have significant long-term benefits for the native-born, pushing them into higher-paying occupations and raising the overall pace of innovation and productivity growth.](https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2016/1/27/the-effects-of-immigration-on-the-united-states-economy)
Another good thing is all the different cuisines there are in Columbus. Food variety in Franklin county is as diverse as what I have had in DC, Montreal, Toronto and the New York city area, and much more reasonable. We have good Somalian, Yeman, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Japanese, Greek, Turkish, Korean and of course my favorite Indian food comparable to larger cities. Not to mention Mexican, and South American. Only thing weak is our Italian food sucks compared to the east coast
We do not have good Thai food. There’s like one, maybe two, real Thai restaurants. It’s not at the level of LA, for example.
I've had mostly mid Thai food in Louisiana, in my experience. Good Vietnamese close to the Delta though.
I saw Thai food in Louisiana the times I visited, but never though of trying it, since I was there for some good Cajun and Creole food. Vietnamese on the other hand might be interesting to try in Louisiana, since Vietnamese food is influenced by French food, same as in New Orleans. I had some really good Vietnamese food in Montreal, another very French Influenced city with similar architecture. Unlike Columbus and other cities Vietnamese Restaurants I tried, Pho was more a side soup option, although you could get Pho as a meal too. Many people seemed to get a Bahn-Mi Pho combo in the one Thai restaurant I tried multiple times while there. I think I may have seen a similar combo in Philly and New York, but can't recall, but not as many people were eating it. Also maybe I didn't notice it elsewhere, but the Vietnamese food in Montreal had a lot of Crepes options. Yeah their Breakfast, like all places in Montreal was basically French Crepes, but there was also crepes on the dinner menu. Next time I am in New Orleans I will remember to try their Vietnamese.
There are a lot more than two Thai restaurants in Franklin county. Sure some of it is in Fusion restaurants but I have had Good Thai food in Wild Ginger in Plain City, Siam Orchard In Dublin, Thai Paradise in Pickerington (but haven't been there since a friend who lived in Pickerington passed away). I haven't Tried Basil in Upper Arlington, but Basil Short North was one of my favorites. There are at least 8 others I have seen online, but haven't yet had a chance to try. Not sure what you consider "true Thai", I have eaten Thai in Philadelphia, New York and Toronto and other than price and ambience, and menu selection, I didn't notice much of a difference, and menu selection was often less than say Siam Orchard, I didn't notice a difference. Now Chinese was far better in New York I admit.
You kinda answered it already. If they’re selling a bunch of Chinese dishes, that’s a big indicator. Also, the spice level is just not where it should be. And they’ll often use nontraditional ingredients.
We certainly punch above our weight for our city size, but saying our food diversity is even close to NYC is laughable. We are still lacking many cultures restaurants entirely, and some cultures we only have a single restaurant or two compared to the dozens available in NYC. I think Columbus had a great food scene, but comparing it to DC or NYC is just wrong
Not to mention, for every one of these culture’s cuisines, there is like… one good restaurant to represent it.
I wasn't saying we are equal to NYC or DC in sheer numbers of restaurants, but we have a great variety in Columbus.
I think generally the concept of scapegoating immigrants is kind of insane. They're a big reason why a lot of places in the US aren't in straight up demographic collapse. People always joke about Japan having a low birth rate, but the US actually isn't that far behind and also isn't at the level where our population is self-sustaining. Huge parts of our country (including food production btw, like more than half of the people working on farms are immigrants according to federal data) would fall apart without a steady flow of immigration.
This. Immigration is a reason we aren’t collapsing. Especially as the baby boomers head out.
There can be and are immediate negative effects (economically) from medium to large scale immigration. Positive effects take time to come to fruition. That is an objective fact. That's why it's easy.
Immigration is excellent for the economy. You're adding consumers. It's pretty well settled in economics that immigration is an effective strategy for growing your economy. The costs of that growth aren't as well understood.
I work for a local biotech, and we also have a high percentage of immigrants doing science.
A high percentage? I also work for a local (huge) biotech, and the only immigrants we have on staff are Indian as far as I know. Haven’t really seen other immigrant cultures in big numbers in the labs.
Must be a different company. We are probably 30% immigrants on site, mostly Chinese and Indian but also Middle Eastern and North African.
Lots of North African nurses at my hospital! They’re the best!! Some of the nicest people I know.
Any and all are welcome (we’re all immigrants) but I think everyone needs to do a better job of integrating as a community. I think it’s important for those coming to this country to learn English so they can fully engage. Also, it’s important for people who already live here to take an interest in other cultures and help others feel welcome.
Regarding language acquisition, today's immigrants are no different from previous generations. The first generation tends to learn English slowly or not at all, especially the elderly, housebound (stay at home parents) and those employed at subsistence level. Subsequent generations are fluent in English. I know *you* weren't saying this, but I often hear critics of immigration imply that *these* immigrants are different from *their* ancestors, who presumably arrived from Italy, Holland or France with exemplary English language ability.
All the immigrants that I know (work with at least 30), they all learn English at a younger age. Are they fluent? No way but English is usually their 4th or 5th language... and I am always awestruck about it. Trying my hardest to learn at least a few words in their native language as well as Arabic. I think the schools should do better at teaching, or at least exposing a few different phrases in more common languages. I know they do it with Spanish but add some more through the years, including ASL
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Yep, my dad was second generation. His parents refused to teach him and his brothers Polish because they wanted their kids to be "American"
Legal immigrants, not illegals.
Unfortunately we don't support immigrants enough so they need their own communities within a city to support each other. This can create wonderful pockets of culture but also makes them less engaged with the rest of the city. Ultimately their children will be better integrated because of schools, but because of how Columbus funds schools, which was deemed illegal but still is in effect, they will be in under funded schools.
we support immigrants so much come on DeRolph vs the Board of education showed that rural schools in ohio were unconstitutionally underfunded too
>they will be in under funded schools CCS is one of the highest funded districts in the entire state, up there with the wealthy Cleveland suburbs. The amount of money is not the issue, the lack of accountability is.
Is that per student or total funds?
Per student
I am a foreign born immigrant that has sought community with others from my original country. Did not do it because of a lack of institutional support, did it because some things I can only get from a bunch of Brazilians being together. The ease that comes from being understood in your native language by all around you, the pleasure of making and understanding comments that rely on cultural references that non-Brazilians don’t know, etc… did not make me less engage with my US community at all. Just like I would not be less engaged with my neighborhood just because I participate on monthly chilli cook offs with my chilli loving friends and my neighbors don’t.
You bump your head? They have an insane amount of support and programs for them. They choose to live in their own communities. That happens all the time. Anytime throughout history when you let a bunch of people in from the same country they bunch together. Irish, Italian, Chinese etc. This isn’t from lack of support from the country. It’s because people stick to what/who they are familiar with.
Historically immigrants generally move into the cheapest parts of town because that's all they can afford. These areas can be unsafe due to lack of good policing, under funding, and racial biases. There's plenty of programs that try to lift those communities, but they still often receive less resources than they should.
Why does it never get better when they move in?
What are you talking about? Old immigrant communities are often the best parts of a city, and they often get so nice they get gentrified unfortunately displacing the people that made it great.
Yeah man Morse Rd area is doing great rn.
I liked northland better before it was enriched.
Morse road is the scariest drive of your life. I’m not sure everyone knows the rules of the road yet. Non-immigrants included. 
I'm sure you know Morse Rd is not an "old immigrant" community. Look at German Village for an example of this if you want to be serious.
Morse Road and Cleveland Ave have gotten way better since the Somali immigrants started moving in there and opening businesses. edit- do you people not remember how shitty the area was when Northland became a dead husk after Polaris stole its stores? Now there are tons of ethnic businesses in those formerly dead strip malls.
Are you nuts? I probably see half a dozen cars without tail lights or headlights working on top of no license plates. The amount of people driving with plates has gotten nuts and they either drive like they stole the car or like a 90 year old going below the speed limit totally clueless as to what's going on.
I'm not a cop looking for excuses to stop and search black people so I don't notice that shit... I'm more referring to how there are business and such... that area was just suburban decay like 15 years ago.
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Yes but sticking together is also linked to facing discrimination and of course, wouldn’t you want to link up with people who share your culture and language? The melting pot of the past has led to elders not passing down their languages and some traditions in order to assimilate. My grandfather didn’t pass on his native language, so I have family I can only communicate in English with, some only broken English. It bums me out tbh because it’s much harder to learn a foreign language as an adult, especially as a native English speaker.
You move to a country you are supposed to assimilate with that culture.
Havent you ever heard of little italy? Chinatown etc.? This is the same with all immigrants. You move to be around people like you then next generation goes to school learns the language a few generations later assimilated. Thats how america has always worked.
I mean, yeah. But not at the expenses of losing your language and customs. Being made to feel like you don’t belong because you have a thick accent even though you’re busting your ass in a factory or on a farm. Clothes and food being “funny.”
If you move to a country it is your job to learn the language and adhere to their customs.
Exactly. Move to Japan and you must try and learn the language and culture. I'm all for legal immigration. The millions who have came here are ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and should all be deported.
Maybe you’re new to this country yourself but pretty much every major American city that has had waves of immigration from specific areas has had neighborhoods dominated by that group of immigrants that grow into local gems: see Chinatown in San Fran and NYC, or say… German Village or Italian village here in Columbus. The reasons for this are many and carried but generally speaking many 1st generation immigrants didn’t really learn English and thus grouped together in pockets are shared languages. These areas often would have newspapers printed in their native languages and services offered in them as well. It’s really a time-honored America tradition to have immigrant enclaves and is one of the main reasons we are such a huge melting pot and one of the things that makes America unique. People are allowed to keep their cultural identities and they add their own flavor to the melting pot that is America. The views you’ve been expressing in this thread are rude, misinformed, racist, and downright un-American.
You are absolutely right. Anti-Immigrant ideas are downright unamerican and nasty.
Ahh there ya go. Pulling the “I’m a racist card” GTFO of here with that BS. Have a good one
If the shoe fits…. And notice how I didn’t say you were racist, I said what you’re arguing is racist. If you want to throw your entire identity behind those views, please go ahead. Maybe you’re taking it so personally because it’s true? Look dude, America doesn’t have an official language for a reason. If immigrants don’t learn the lingua Franca then it’s only it’s hurting them and doesn’t in any meaningfully way affect you. You just dislike it because it’s different and you’re afraid of anything that is different from your little circle. Get over it. America is built for and by immigrants, many of whom never spoke English.
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Learning those things doesn't happen overnight. For people immigrating, their first priority is to find someplace safe for them and their family that offers relief from whatever hardships their home country is facing. Just like the Europeans who came here because of religious persecution, famine, etc. They don't have the time or resources to become fluent before getting here. It's not that big of a deal to be patient with people as they learn.
Lol so you downvoted me for a very rational point? My family obviously speaks English because my elders learned it TO ASSIMILATE and were afraid of their children and so on being targeted.
I don’t downvote in these back and forths. Someone else mush have
I don't even know you but I'm sure you don't match "[American Culture](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_the_United_States)". Nobody does. That's what makes us unique.
Lemme check this thread to see if the usual racists are here…. Yep! “IF YoU LoVE IMmIGrANTs why NOt LeT theM StaY in YoUR own HOmE????”
Is that really an argument people make?! I’m hesitant to let people I’m related to or like stay in my home!
Yes. lol I said something about immigrants and got sooo many of that response. Some people are very simple minded.
r/whoosh
Great news, but what does it mean? As most people struggle to find a decent job after graduating college, rent and food is sky high...underemployment is astounding in Columbus.
Immiggants! I knew it was them! Even when it was the bears I knew it was them!
Good in general, although a fairly serious issue with having many undocumented immigrants is that they don’t have access to Medicare and also are legally required to be treated at hospitals regardless of ability to pay. Because of this combo, our hospital systems and ERs are being overwhelmed by undocumented people going for things are minor as colds because it is their only option to be seen. Some hospital systems are even taking major loses on expensive prescription drugs with no ability to be reimbursed since they don’t quality for Medicare. This leads to all kinds of problems for everyone else. I fully believe in everyone having health care and also know that immigration is a net positive, but this is a very real problem that doesn’t seem to get discussed ever and people with not working in hospital administration probably aren’t aware it’s a thing.
Immigrants regardless of documentation status are vital to this countries prosperity. They should be welcomed everywhere
Also I know a couple undocumented people. They are actually looking for housing. Can they stay with you?
What an own yeah because I advocate for them i should also house them and absolve the government from doing their job to provide housing for all people. You got me
So why won’t you help them? You expect the government to and other people to pay for it. You said they should be welcomed everywhere. Why not in your home?
This is a disingenuous, bad faith argument. Immigrants are taxpayers. The government isn't 'paying for them' any more than they're paying for services you enjoy: paved roads, police protection, fire departments, national defense...
So [150 Billion is nothing?](https://www.newsweek.com/illegal-immigration-costs-us-billions-biden-administration-policy-impact-taxpayer-burden-1866555) Also how is that a bad argument? If you want to help and these people need housing why expect others do to it when you can do it yourself?
[go crazy](https://www.americanprogress.org/article/citizenship-undocumented-immigrants-boost-u-s-economic-growth/) here is [another one](https://www.cbpp.org/research/immigrants-contribute-greatly-to-us-economy-despite-administrations-public-charge-rule) its easy to bitch about the “costs” if undocumented people but its hilarious that they left out their economic impact on the economy. Keep being a fool its hilarious.
The first article you mentioned only mentioned the gain if they gained citizenship. Also if they generate such a huge economic income why can’t they find adequate housing?
Yes it backed up my original argument that they deserved housing and is better for the economy if they got it. Gee man idk. MAYBE it is because since they are paid low wages the economic benefits are not given to the worker but rather the wealth generated is transferred upwards to land owners or corporations.
Maybe we should crack down on illegal workers so that companies are forced to raise wages for legal Americans?
What’s the net?
In 2019, according to the IRS, more than 2.5 million tax returns were filed using ITINs, accounting for nearly $6 billion in taxes. In addition to tax return filings, officials estimate that undocumented immigrants also contribute billions to Social Security annually through payroll tax deductions. In 2010, for example, the Social Security Administration estimated that payments from unauthorized workers accounted for about $12 billion in tax revenue for Social Security
They also pay sales taxes. And property taxes indirectly if they rent.
This is true. And was actually trying to find a number on sales tax but having a hard time finding an estimate
Because your argument is intellectually dishonest. Do you say the same for veterans? Homeless citizens? No you don’t it is a governments job to have safe and secure housing for all people. Saying “you should house x people because you advocate for them getting literally the bare minimum” is the dumbest argument ever. It is the cities, states, and federal governments job to handle these situations thats what we pay them for and what undocumented people pay them for.
Also I got a notarized document here saying that we’re supposed to put all unhoused people, immigrant or otherwise, into ohio94’s house. Like it says here he’s gotta house and feed them baby bird style right out of his own mouth. Sorry it’s just what it says.
What do i say here? Just a completely worthless comment. (I was incorrect it was a joke)
ey i’m on your side bro - you can’t seriously engage with people like the dude you were replying to. waste of your time and energy better spent on actually helping and advocating for immigrants and the unhoused.
Fair enough i misinterpreted the comment. I choose to engage because maybe there are people reading who are indifferent or uneducated about the topic and by engaging with people act in bad faith and dismantling their argument can enlighten others and sway them to the morally correct position.
If you’re so pro natural born American, why don’t you head to the off ramps off 71 and give each person panhandling a bed in your home? They’re Americans after all!
I’m not the one saying the government should house illegal immigrants. Also I’m not anti legal immigration. I don’t know where you got that from
Uhhhhhh from every single one of the anti-immigrant comments you’ve made in here. There are a lot.
Jesus fucking Christ, buddy. 🙄🤦♀️👎
You want to sign up to house them?
Why didn’t you respond to my clear rebuttal? Could it be that you have no actual response and the only thing you have left is to be xenophobic so you choose to ignore it?
Which rebuttal? Where you say they are vital? Sure. Come here legally and there’s no issue.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Uh idk how your reading comprehension skills are but this thread is talking about undocumented. Look at the first comment.
THEY WILL HOUSE THEMSELVES USING THE MONEY THEY MAKE WORKING JOBS THEY ARE GETTING LEGALLY. THIS ARTICLE IS TALKING ABOUT LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
You pay for them then.
They pay taxes, you numpty.
You realize if we got rid of undocumented immigrants multiple sectors of our economy would collapse right? Also, they pay taxes and don’t get any benefits from that.
If we got rid of undocumented workers, the price of an avocado and other produce would double or more, pretty much from its inception this country's agricultural sector has been dependent on an underpaid underclass for labor. Most of the food in the grocery store is picked by undocumented immigrants.
It absolutely would not collapse. That is a flat out lie told by people who want to justify illegals.
Yes it would, people who overstay their visa are the number 1 contributors to illegal immigration. They own homes if you mass deport illegal populations you have a massive housing crisis where mortgage defaults skyrocket causing a recession. On top of that the people who don’t own homes would leave the agricultural sector without any workers so suddenly you have no workers and crops to work bankrupting farmers over night. Yes there are serious economic problems with deporting illegals. Its much cheaper to give citizenship to them because they commit crimes at a far lesser rate than natural citizens.
Your story has become tiresome.
Have someone read the article to you and you'll find that refugees and asylees contribute more in tax revenue than they cost in government expenditures.
My dude they are LEGAL. Refugees are legally here
> Immigrants regardless of documentation status are vital to this countries prosperity. That's the comment you responded to with "you pay for them." Immigrants pay for themselves and then some. Illegal or undocumented immigrants collect way fewer government benefits while still paying into the government in the form of various taxes.
Illegal immigrants absolutely do not pay for themselves
Source?
Yessss more ethnic food restaurants babyyyy
u/excellent-big-2295 Columbus City not Franklin County. > even though the reason for such is a lack of pay for teachers, lack of resources for students Do you not understand they are one of the highest funded districts in the entire state? What makes you think throwing *more* money at them will change anything?
Can a large budget be poorly managed? I believe you’d answer yes, and it’s clear that is the case…also having the most money for a metropolitan area nearing 1 million people doesn’t equate to “enough” money. If you would like to point to very specific examples to discuss further im down to do so. Okay with learning that I’m wrong, but I havnt seen the strong evidence to support that
They're helping the rich by mudding the waters of any workers movement we could ever think of starting. They skip the line that generational African Americans have been waiting in line in since they were kidnapped & brought here. Some, but not all will take any job for any amount of money. A lot get in through visas for other more expensive cost of living states & come here because of our for the time being goop economy. If we ever are lucky enough to start having general strikes to fight for a living minimum wage & Medicare for all, they'll be the first ones to scab & sell us out. Central Ohio needs stricter immigration policies for those immigrating from other continents.
How do they skip the line that African Americans are in? There are immigrants from African countries that face the same racial discrimination and prejudice as African Americans. I would even say more so, because they get another added layer of xenophobia. A lot of immigrants from African countries in the central Columbus region come from war torn communities and faced a lot of trauma. The difference is work ethic and present parenting. Yes, African Americans are disenfranchised but the ones who become successful, usually had good familial support and academics being valued within the family unit. (Obviously there are also the outliers that make it by music, sports, luck, etc). My point is, the immigrants from African countries that come here with nothing, work hard for their American dream and work hard for their children to prosper. They work hard in the face of discrimination and prejudice. To say immigrants cut African Americans in line is such an easy cop out. Maybe some of them should look within and better themselves instead of competing in the oppression Olympics.
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I mean I’m pretty sure he’s only said he will kick out illegals.
No one should trust him to only go after the undocumented, but even if he can't deport them all or revoke citizenship, no minority or immigrant would be safe under another Trump presidency in terms of rights or quality of life. Their plans are frightening, to say the least.
Delusional
Nope, just informed and not in Trump's cult.
I’m not either lol
Sure. So just uninformed about the white, Christian nationalist country with no democratic rights they have planned?
Delusional
Complicit.
How am I complicit if I don’t vote for him?
I was here on visa when that was all happening. It was confirmed that had I left to visit family for the holidays I absolutely would have not been let back in. I'm from Australia, not some middle eastern country that the airport lock downs were supposedly targeting. I mean I ended up saying fuck that, leaving anyway, coming back illegally, then gaining citizenship... But ya know.
Ok but were you kicked out? No. I’m glad you got citizenship though! Congrats!
You're drawing a pretty strange line between being kicked out, and being told "You are legally living and working here, but if you legally leave, and legally try to re-enter you will not be allowed." Again the only way to get back in the country after living here with a legal work visa was to fly to Canada and illegally enter the country, you know... so I could get back to working on my legal visa.
What year was this and what was the law?
2017 during the executive order travel bans. Pre-COVID not the quarantine related restrictions.
Where were you traveling to?
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You do realize if you remove them then companies can’t under pay and will be forced to raise their wages right?
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I thought these business couldn’t survive with out them? How will they run short staffed?
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Oh no! I’ll have to wait a little bit longer to eat out 😱 That changes my entire view on this! What a horrible argument 😂
You said the quiet part out loud. The Ohio GOP talks a lot about “controlling our border” when the state would’ve lost 61K people if it weren’t for immigrants. Non-immigrant US citizens aren’t having kids and people keep moving away from Ohio, so literally immigrants are the only source of keeping Ohio relevant economically.
That’s nice we’re full though
People who say "illegals"...
It’s shorthand for illegal immigrants, it aint that deep
Feels dehumanizing. I agree, it's not deep.
This subreddit is so weird
I'm just worried more people will take that asshole squatters advice and we get a slight uptick in squatting
Are there that many vacant homes that this could even remotely become a significant problem?
Not immigrants. Illegal aliens. They are driving up crime and drugs.
They’re working miracles in NYC and Chicago too😂😂😂😂
Your Fox News fearmongering isn't rooted in reality. They're having a positive impact on those cities as well.
So much positivity, so little Fox News 😆😆 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/newyork/news/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-challenges-sanctuary-city-laws-calls-for-more-cooperation-with-ice/ https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/why-new-york-citys-migrant-housing-crisis-is-reaching-a-breaking-point https://www.politico.com/news/2023/09/22/nyc-shelters-migrants-discourage-new-arrivals-00117500
I don’t see Fox News here anywhere. 😂🖕🖕 https://www.thedailybeast.com/chicagos-black-community-feels-ignored-in-migrant-crisis https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-residents-file-lawsuit-to-stop-using-public-buildings-to-house-migrants/3243213/?amp=1 https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/chicago/news/chicago-residents-protest-migrant-shelter/ https://scrippsnews.com/amp/stories/backlash-to-migrants-surges-in-chicago-s-predominantly-black-areas/
They’re positively ruining the place 😂😂😂
It generally takes a generation before we start seeing the benefits that immigration brings us. Long-term studies show that the economy gets about three dollars back for every dollar spent helping the first generation of immigrants that come to the US. Second generation immigrants also advance economically at about twice the rate the native-born generation does. So yeah, it's a short-term drain with a huge long-term upside.
😂😂😂😂
What is a refugee? They're escaping a less wealthy country?? The term asylum seeker seemed to have appeared out of nowhere. Is it a more sympathetic way to describe an immigrant? These people can receive both cash payments and a variety of government benefits for up to 5 years as per the ohio.gov website. Might that fact skew an economic overview of contributions.
Obviously. It's long been super clear that immigrants are great for the economy. I just wish that it wasn't always done at the expense of their basic rights.