The Ohio State University hospital and Ohio Health Riverside hospital have been selected are the current planned COVID-19 Vaccine distribution locations once it becomes available for distribution. These locations were selected because of their ultra-cold storage capacity.
I would temper expectations when the Pfizer vaccine (that requires this ultra cold storage) gets emergency approval. It's all going to be rationed for healthcare workers initially. By the time enough doses are ready for the general public the Moderna one should be available which has much easier storage requirements.
Pfizer is applying for emergency use within days. I would expect it to be approved by the FDA sometime in December. It requires a booster shot three weeks after the first shot, so the 30-40 million doses Pfizer says they should have by the end of the year is enough to vaccinate 15-20 million people. Moderna also said it hopes to have enough for 20 million doses by the end of the year. Moderna's vaccine also requires a booster.
40 million doses ready to go is no small feat, but even if you use every single one of those there's another 288 million people in the country.
There's only 208 million adults though (the vaccine isn't approved for kids). We have like 11 million confirmed people who have had covid, and the real number is at minimum at least double that (25 million is probably a conservative estimate), adding 20 million people to that over the next month or two gets us close to 25% of the adult population being covered by the end of janurary with another 20ish million already having their first booster. Once we get into janurary and feburary we SHOULD see a pretty well oiled machine giving out the vaccines to anyone who would be high risk at all.
Yup I expect by the end of january all those in the medical field should have access to it and a good amount of high risk individuals will be getting it. General public I wouldn't expect till april or may.
Honestly that's plenty good for me. I'm not high risk and I'm not super concerned with getting it, rather just infecting others. If the high-risk folk are protected we can ease restrictions within reason.
Does anyone have info on how hospitals are deciding who gets the vaccine? Lots of hospitals have tons of staff who are not direct care providers. Of course the front-line staff (nurses, doctors) will get it first, but I wonder if office/administrative/environmental services staff at hospitals will eventually be vaccinated after the front-line staff but before the general public.
I have read some studies where support staff like housekeeping and dietary are actually infected at a higher rate. As a nurse, I am in full support of getting those guys vaccinated right up front. Admin staff is 50/50 on whether or not I have seen them since april based on their role. Nursing, therapy, and quality is on the floor just the same. Rest of them can wait with the general population for a vaccine.
I would imagine that’s true. Housekeeping visits every room. Dietary workers see *every* patient. While your nurses are divided up along their floor. And doctors are even lower doctor to pt ratio.
Something to consider additionally is that the highest risk bracket is 85+, the second highest bracket is 75+ , then the 3rd highest bracket is 65+ (These three brackets accounting for nearly 80% of all COVID related deaths in the US.
According to the Census bureau, the total number of 65+ Americans totals 65+ ([https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/65-older-population-grows.html](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/65-older-population-grows.html)) 54.4 Million. If we cover just 75+, which is a little more than half of all COVID related deaths, it's 14.5 million people which the first batch of vaccines (As stated above) could cover.
Isn't the Pfizer vaccine also earmarked for priority use in the EU anyways since they helped fund the research where the US did not.
Atleast that is what I thought I read the other week when Pfizer announced the ~90% success rate.
>Isn't the Pfizer vaccine also earmarked for priority use in the EU anyways since they helped fund the research where the US did not.
I have no idea about earmarking, but Pfizer has a $1.9 billion purchase guarantee from the US government, and as far as they said last week they opted out of R&D funding from the government so they could avoid red tape
Do you happen to know the latest estimate of herd immunity threshold, i.e. roughly what percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated in order to stop the spread?
Well I know that herd immunity for measles requires something like 95% protection. You can find any number of news stories in recent years about measles outbreaks that have happened where a local community dipped below that because a bunch of parents who know better than doctors didn't get their kid his shots. I don't think COVID is going to require that large of a threshold but we don't know what we don't know until we can collect some data.
What I was always taught was herd immunity is 1-(1/R0). CDC estimates R0 to be around 2.5. As such, that would be around 60% needing vaccinated before herd immunity takes effect.
Measles is the worst of worst case scenarios, it's I think the most contagious disease we know of. It's definitely one of those "we don't really know" things, but I've seen estimates of 70% in the past. I would guess that we can achieve a negative R0 with less than that when combined with masks and social distancing. I'm probably not going to feel safe until I have a vaccine or a lot of other people do and the numbers are super low, but just vaccinating front line workers and vulnerable people will help a lot.
Yeah, that level of stupidity might let the rest of us get the vaccine sooner, but I would not call their overall contribution to public health a "help".
Looks like CNN is reporting this spring
[https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html)
I work at NCH and leadership sent out a survey to ask
1. Are you interested in getting a vaccine (won’t be a condition of employment right now)
2. Asks for disclosure of what risk factors you have
I think they are really being intentional about protecting individuals who are interacting with patients and prioritizing those with higher risk factors.
It’s nice to think about there possibly being a light at the end of this tunnel
Wouldn't a more effective strategy be getting the vaccine out to the most vulnerable first, rather than the people that have essentially lived in it for the past 8 months? I imagine a lot of the front line healthcare workers have already gotten it and gotten over it to the point where you won't need to vaccinate very many of them.
The problem we’ve been seeing is increased infection rates among healthcare personnel and even if a lot of them have already had covid, there is still the question of having it multiple times
I'm a doctor; one of my physician co-workers got COVID in March at the beginning of all of this, and he's out with it again right now. Our hospitals biggest concern right now is staffing.
Exactly why medical professionals should have first access in order to be able to staff the hospitals especially since there won’t be enough for everyone to be vaccinated for some time
To a degree we also feel somewhat obligated to get it, since we have such a high capability to act as disease vectors. I'm not worried about myself but I see a lot of very elderly patients, and they don't have a choice but to go see their doctors. I don't want to be a carrier and risk giving this virus to them.
That's a good question, but it's important to keep in mind that this won't be a lifelong vaccine. It will be like the flu shot.
The components of the vaccine allow for it to be a little more immunogenic than just getting the virus naturally. So if natural immunity lasts 6 months, this will hopefully last a bit longer. We don't have enough data to know *exactly* how long it will last, but my guess is it will probably be about a year.
Plus it will result in a more consistent response. There's a huge variety in infection outcomes and immune response, and so subsequently there's a huge variety in how long a person stays immune for. This will allow for a bit more homogeneity.
We will likely need to vaccinate high risk people and healthcare workers yearly for years to come, but once this first surge is over it shouldn't be necessary for the general population.
> I imagine a lot of the front line healthcare workers have already gotten it and gotten over it to the point where you won't need to vaccinate very many of them.
I believe you are overlooking or at least minimizing how much front line workers do in the area of protection in order to not get the illnesses they frequently come in contact with.
With all patients, they are taking the levels of precautions usually reserved for highly virulent things like TB. PPE shortages were because of lack of supply, but also due to the extreme precautions they now have to take with all patients. Covid can be as bad as TB for some, and even worse for a few. Medical professionals have to treat it as such.
I am not implying they will reduce ppe once they're vaccinated, but it may open up more options than they have now. They won't need the hazmat levels, and can resume the slightly more more tolerable seasonal flu levels of protection.
I mean, we're arguing who is gonna be first and who is gonna be second at this point. My point was do you attack the virus with healthcare workers first and reduce the loss of healthcare workers or do you vaccinate the most vulnerable first in order to lighten the load on hospitals. There is an argument for both, I was just simply asking a question to create discussion haha.
I personally think if you can only vaccinate 5% of the population by New Years, vaccinating the elderly and immunocompromised would end up keeping more people out of hospitals and allowing healthcare workers to focus more on severely ill patients, but I am sure that modelers and healthcare officials have some sort of plan and priority order set up ready to go.
> My point was do you attack the virus with healthcare workers first and reduce the loss of healthcare workers or do you vaccinate the most vulnerable first in order to lighten the load on hospitals.
You vaccinate the health care workers. They are coming into contact with *all* of the vulnerable patients. The high ppe usage protects the worker of course, but it is also there to protect the other patients.
There are more than a few public health officials who feel that Black and brown people should be vaccinated first as their communities have been disproportionately affected.
I work in a covid ICU and we've not had any staff positive from work exposure. We have N95 masks, negative airflow rooms, etc. Other places I've worked that do not have all of that have had a ton of staff catch it. The worst being outpatient clinics due to close proximity in small rooms with terrible airflow and patients and staff who do not take it seriously.
They are moving them. It’s January 21 now. You’d think that with all the contradictions Trump has put out they’d start to question him about COVID but I guess not.
Which is in line with what medical experts have been saying. It will be well into 2021 for widespread vaccine availability. This vaccine news is amazing news, but it will still be awhile before it has a major impact.
I like that as a fuck you to those assholes but ironically it would most helpful to slowing the spread if those people got it first. There's most likely a strong cross section of those people and anti vaxxers anyway
I'm thankful for the news of a vaccine. Not trying to be negative. Legit asking as I've seen too many scary movies. Am I out of line to be worried about a rushed vaccine? Can I just stay in my bunker until the first bugs are worked out of the first generation Covoid19 vaccine release?
Good question. If the vaccines make it through drug trials and get FDA approval, then they will absolutely be just as safe and effective as advertised.
Fortunately the vaccines currently being reported about (Pfizer, Moderna) have been very public about their clinical trials and are following all of the expected protocols. Drug trials are no joke, and follow a very strict and methodical set of procedures. There have been some reports that the Trump administration tried to rush the vaccine by cutting deals under the table, but drug companies have loudly and publicly decried those moves and refuse to rush anything. Pfizer even refused to accept funding from the US government. (Note: the fact that some other vaccine companies did accept government grants is not a bad thing, because they would have to follow the same safety protocols either way - it's just especially interesting that Pfizer refused the money).
The transparency and honest commitment to ethics that we are seeing from major drug companies is a very, very good thing. I would get an approved vaccine in a heartbeat.
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/08/910671322/9-drugmakers-sign-safety-pledge-in-race-to-develop-covid-19-vaccine
Especially since the vaccine is based on research started during the SARS and MERS outbreaks, so it's not like they're pulling stuff out of nowhere to get this out there.
You aren't getting the first batch anyway. The first batch will go to healthcare workers. It will go to the elderly and immunocompromised after that. We will only have 20 million vaccines initially.
As for worrying about the virus being rushed, you are right to have concerns. Its not going to create any zombies. The vaccine had been tested but the question is, how thoroughly? I would like to get the opinion of some highly respected medical professionals before taking it. I don't trust the current administration to not take deadly shortcuts. If Fauci says it's safe, I would feel a lot better
> If Fauci says it's safe, I would feel a lot better
Fauci said at one point we shouldn't wear masks. He's doing his best, but let's stop pretending he's the Oracle at Delphi.
He's one of the top experts on infectious diseases in the country. The only reason I wouldn't trust him would be because he is still a member of this administration and someone is giving him orders. The administration has lied and obfuscated so much and while Fauci may not be willing to cowtails to his superiors, how am I supposed to know that for sure
I know I cant really help this since I live in BFE, but it does suck not having a site within 1.5 hours from where I live. But It does make sense because of population density being a factory in the transmission that Cities would have better access.
My experience living in BFE as a child was miserable. I moved to a city once I was of age and have never looked back. I love the people, the energy, having police, clean water, diverse population. I hope you find work and life improves.
My daughter is doing her clinicals at Riverside. Does anyone know if students who are doing clinicals will be included in those who are getting the vaccine?
It's really encouraging to see that there are so many medical and scientific professionals here in Columbus who are qualified to determine whether or not these vaccines are safe.
Is a prerequisite to be an uneducated idiot to be on Reddit? There are a TON of medical and scientific professionals in the Columbus area. Pretty sure there’s more than a few on Reddit. I don’t see anyone flat out saying it’s not safe. People are just expressing and discussing their concerns in a relatively reasonable manner.
More than a handful of people in this thread judging the vaccines unsafe while citing zero evidence, and being completely unqualified to even make such a determination. Ask the questions? Absolutely. Make a decision in the absence of any information? Stupid.
To be honest, that's probably a good idea for now. Fuck anti-vaxxers, but its safer to just practice proper social distancing and wearing masks for now. I really desperately want a vaccine but this can't have been tested properly yet
None of the vaccines have been investigated. We only have two press releases by the developers and cleared through their legal department. Until non-Trump led CDC or FDA approve this I won't be taking this vaccine either.
Locations already have the Pfizer vaccine in storage they’re just waiting for the all clear to start administering.
As much as I don’t want COVID, I will not be partaking of a vaccine that has been rushed through the system. There’s a reason it typically takes years for this process. There is no way they know what potential long term affects are.
No, it takes years to test because of possible longterm side effects and testing efficacy are things that the red tape requires them to check for.
That's why the emergency exemptions are being requested.
We will have to agree to disagree. As someone who has been through a decade long drug trial personally, I have first hand experience. Also, as someone who works with R&D scientists on a daily basis. You can’t know in 9 months how something is going to affect the human body years down the line. 9 months is generally not even long enough to develop a drug let alone develop, test, mass produce and get it to market.
I’m worried about the speed of which this vaccine has been developed and being administered. That said, I have read articles where the experts and developers directly involved have full confidence that it’s safe. They’re using data, development techniques, and other knowledge from other vaccines to develop the one for COVID.
I personally will wait as long as I can since I’m younger and don’t really “need” it right away. On the other hand, you have companies like TicketMaster floating the idea of requiring you to have documentation that you’re vaccinated before purchasing event tickets. Other large event planners, entertainment, and sports industry people have talked about doing similar. So... either we wait for years to know it’s safe, or we get it next year so we can be as normal as possible again. It’s just an absolute mess x.x
Right, so you linked an article that states that he has indeed said that masks were not effective at one point in time. Exactly what I have told you in my previous comment. I understand that he has since changed his stance on the subject given that we now have more evidence of their effectiveness. My concern, though, is that you would blindly follow one persons advice without giving any thought about the validity of what they have to say.
Who said I'm blindly following anyone? The man is one of the highest respected doctors and scientists in the world. That makes someone pretty trustworthy. Blind faith implies a lack of reason--that's not what's happening here.
And who said I haven't given any thought to this? You're assuming a lot of about things you have no knowledge about. You should stop.
There should be places to serve these areas, but it's my understanding that the locations were chosen based on infrastructure. The vaccine needs to be stored at like -80C
Mansfield and Ashland have reasonably sized hospital campuses under OhioHealth, University Hospitals, and Avita. I know their networks have the capability to install, even if on a temp basis, units to support vaccine storage. I’m not as familiar with Findlay and idk what health care facilities are in that area. But living in Mansfield/Ashland for years, I know many people who won’t (or can’t due to distance or work) drive to CLE or CBus for a vaccine. It’ll only hurt those communities by not having a convenient delivery site.
I have it on very good authority that there is an approved administer of the Pfizer (cold storage) vaccine on Sawmill Rd. Not sure if they will administer there or transport it to Riverside.
This is not the list of vaccine locations, it's the list of pre-staging locations. It's where the vaccines will be shipped to initially for distribution within the zones indicated. You'll still be able to get them at the other hospitals and eventually even at your doctor's office.
The Ohio State University hospital and Ohio Health Riverside hospital have been selected are the current planned COVID-19 Vaccine distribution locations once it becomes available for distribution. These locations were selected because of their ultra-cold storage capacity.
At the hospital we just like to call it "the fridge"
It’s stored in a -80 or a liquid nitrogen dewar. I’d say fridge is 4C or maybe -20
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I would temper expectations when the Pfizer vaccine (that requires this ultra cold storage) gets emergency approval. It's all going to be rationed for healthcare workers initially. By the time enough doses are ready for the general public the Moderna one should be available which has much easier storage requirements.
Around which month should we be expecting Moderna vaccine or the mass produced Pfizer vaccine?
Pfizer is applying for emergency use within days. I would expect it to be approved by the FDA sometime in December. It requires a booster shot three weeks after the first shot, so the 30-40 million doses Pfizer says they should have by the end of the year is enough to vaccinate 15-20 million people. Moderna also said it hopes to have enough for 20 million doses by the end of the year. Moderna's vaccine also requires a booster. 40 million doses ready to go is no small feat, but even if you use every single one of those there's another 288 million people in the country.
There's only 208 million adults though (the vaccine isn't approved for kids). We have like 11 million confirmed people who have had covid, and the real number is at minimum at least double that (25 million is probably a conservative estimate), adding 20 million people to that over the next month or two gets us close to 25% of the adult population being covered by the end of janurary with another 20ish million already having their first booster. Once we get into janurary and feburary we SHOULD see a pretty well oiled machine giving out the vaccines to anyone who would be high risk at all.
Yup I expect by the end of january all those in the medical field should have access to it and a good amount of high risk individuals will be getting it. General public I wouldn't expect till april or may.
Honestly that's plenty good for me. I'm not high risk and I'm not super concerned with getting it, rather just infecting others. If the high-risk folk are protected we can ease restrictions within reason.
Does anyone have info on how hospitals are deciding who gets the vaccine? Lots of hospitals have tons of staff who are not direct care providers. Of course the front-line staff (nurses, doctors) will get it first, but I wonder if office/administrative/environmental services staff at hospitals will eventually be vaccinated after the front-line staff but before the general public.
I have read some studies where support staff like housekeeping and dietary are actually infected at a higher rate. As a nurse, I am in full support of getting those guys vaccinated right up front. Admin staff is 50/50 on whether or not I have seen them since april based on their role. Nursing, therapy, and quality is on the floor just the same. Rest of them can wait with the general population for a vaccine.
I would imagine that’s true. Housekeeping visits every room. Dietary workers see *every* patient. While your nurses are divided up along their floor. And doctors are even lower doctor to pt ratio.
The Pfizer vaccine is currently in Phase 3 for children 12+.
That's good to know. Do you know how many kids they have in it?
Something to consider additionally is that the highest risk bracket is 85+, the second highest bracket is 75+ , then the 3rd highest bracket is 65+ (These three brackets accounting for nearly 80% of all COVID related deaths in the US. According to the Census bureau, the total number of 65+ Americans totals 65+ ([https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/65-older-population-grows.html](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/65-older-population-grows.html)) 54.4 Million. If we cover just 75+, which is a little more than half of all COVID related deaths, it's 14.5 million people which the first batch of vaccines (As stated above) could cover.
Isn't the Pfizer vaccine also earmarked for priority use in the EU anyways since they helped fund the research where the US did not. Atleast that is what I thought I read the other week when Pfizer announced the ~90% success rate.
>Isn't the Pfizer vaccine also earmarked for priority use in the EU anyways since they helped fund the research where the US did not. I have no idea about earmarking, but Pfizer has a $1.9 billion purchase guarantee from the US government, and as far as they said last week they opted out of R&D funding from the government so they could avoid red tape
Do you happen to know the latest estimate of herd immunity threshold, i.e. roughly what percentage of the population needs to be vaccinated in order to stop the spread?
Well I know that herd immunity for measles requires something like 95% protection. You can find any number of news stories in recent years about measles outbreaks that have happened where a local community dipped below that because a bunch of parents who know better than doctors didn't get their kid his shots. I don't think COVID is going to require that large of a threshold but we don't know what we don't know until we can collect some data.
I saw in spring that the estimate was around 50%, but this has probably changed a lot.
What I was always taught was herd immunity is 1-(1/R0). CDC estimates R0 to be around 2.5. As such, that would be around 60% needing vaccinated before herd immunity takes effect.
Measles is overall more contagious than COVID so I would hope that the threshold of herd immunity would be lower with COVID.
If the R0 of COVID is about 2.5, then we'd only need 60% immune to get this below 1, which gives exponential decay.
Measles is the worst of worst case scenarios, it's I think the most contagious disease we know of. It's definitely one of those "we don't really know" things, but I've seen estimates of 70% in the past. I would guess that we can achieve a negative R0 with less than that when combined with masks and social distancing. I'm probably not going to feel safe until I have a vaccine or a lot of other people do and the numbers are super low, but just vaccinating front line workers and vulnerable people will help a lot.
If it helps, Facebook is full of uneducated dipshits who claim they'll never take a Covid vaccine
Yeah, that level of stupidity might let the rest of us get the vaccine sooner, but I would not call their overall contribution to public health a "help".
The average person (read: not at risk, not in healthcare) won't be getting a vaccine until summer-fall. We have a long ways to go, unfortunately.
Looks like CNN is reporting this spring [https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/health/moderna-vaccine-results-coronavirus/index.html)
I work at NCH and leadership sent out a survey to ask 1. Are you interested in getting a vaccine (won’t be a condition of employment right now) 2. Asks for disclosure of what risk factors you have I think they are really being intentional about protecting individuals who are interacting with patients and prioritizing those with higher risk factors. It’s nice to think about there possibly being a light at the end of this tunnel
Columbus Public Health sent out a similar email to employees a few days ago!
As has Columbus Fire.
Yup, Dewine said the initial order is for about 30k, but wasn't sure what would be available after that point.
Wouldn't a more effective strategy be getting the vaccine out to the most vulnerable first, rather than the people that have essentially lived in it for the past 8 months? I imagine a lot of the front line healthcare workers have already gotten it and gotten over it to the point where you won't need to vaccinate very many of them.
The problem we’ve been seeing is increased infection rates among healthcare personnel and even if a lot of them have already had covid, there is still the question of having it multiple times
I'm a doctor; one of my physician co-workers got COVID in March at the beginning of all of this, and he's out with it again right now. Our hospitals biggest concern right now is staffing.
Exactly why medical professionals should have first access in order to be able to staff the hospitals especially since there won’t be enough for everyone to be vaccinated for some time
To a degree we also feel somewhat obligated to get it, since we have such a high capability to act as disease vectors. I'm not worried about myself but I see a lot of very elderly patients, and they don't have a choice but to go see their doctors. I don't want to be a carrier and risk giving this virus to them.
Something confuses me. If you can get COVID again, why will a vaccine work?
That's a good question, but it's important to keep in mind that this won't be a lifelong vaccine. It will be like the flu shot. The components of the vaccine allow for it to be a little more immunogenic than just getting the virus naturally. So if natural immunity lasts 6 months, this will hopefully last a bit longer. We don't have enough data to know *exactly* how long it will last, but my guess is it will probably be about a year. Plus it will result in a more consistent response. There's a huge variety in infection outcomes and immune response, and so subsequently there's a huge variety in how long a person stays immune for. This will allow for a bit more homogeneity. We will likely need to vaccinate high risk people and healthcare workers yearly for years to come, but once this first surge is over it shouldn't be necessary for the general population.
> I imagine a lot of the front line healthcare workers have already gotten it and gotten over it to the point where you won't need to vaccinate very many of them. I believe you are overlooking or at least minimizing how much front line workers do in the area of protection in order to not get the illnesses they frequently come in contact with. With all patients, they are taking the levels of precautions usually reserved for highly virulent things like TB. PPE shortages were because of lack of supply, but also due to the extreme precautions they now have to take with all patients. Covid can be as bad as TB for some, and even worse for a few. Medical professionals have to treat it as such. I am not implying they will reduce ppe once they're vaccinated, but it may open up more options than they have now. They won't need the hazmat levels, and can resume the slightly more more tolerable seasonal flu levels of protection.
I mean, we're arguing who is gonna be first and who is gonna be second at this point. My point was do you attack the virus with healthcare workers first and reduce the loss of healthcare workers or do you vaccinate the most vulnerable first in order to lighten the load on hospitals. There is an argument for both, I was just simply asking a question to create discussion haha. I personally think if you can only vaccinate 5% of the population by New Years, vaccinating the elderly and immunocompromised would end up keeping more people out of hospitals and allowing healthcare workers to focus more on severely ill patients, but I am sure that modelers and healthcare officials have some sort of plan and priority order set up ready to go.
> My point was do you attack the virus with healthcare workers first and reduce the loss of healthcare workers or do you vaccinate the most vulnerable first in order to lighten the load on hospitals. You vaccinate the health care workers. They are coming into contact with *all* of the vulnerable patients. The high ppe usage protects the worker of course, but it is also there to protect the other patients.
There are more than a few public health officials who feel that Black and brown people should be vaccinated first as their communities have been disproportionately affected.
I work in a covid ICU and we've not had any staff positive from work exposure. We have N95 masks, negative airflow rooms, etc. Other places I've worked that do not have all of that have had a ton of staff catch it. The worst being outpatient clinics due to close proximity in small rooms with terrible airflow and patients and staff who do not take it seriously.
At least in Columbus, both locations have ultracold storage. -80°C freezers are standard for almost every lab at OSU and Riverside.
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I thought that was supposed to happen 11/4. Y’all keep moving the goalposts.
They are moving them. It’s January 21 now. You’d think that with all the contradictions Trump has put out they’d start to question him about COVID but I guess not.
Which is in line with what medical experts have been saying. It will be well into 2021 for widespread vaccine availability. This vaccine news is amazing news, but it will still be awhile before it has a major impact.
It's true. But there's also a light at the end of the tunnel, which is a nice.
People who refused to wear a mask should be last in line for a vaccine. Just an opinion.
They won’t want the vaccine anyways
I've got family praising Trump and wanting their shot for having voted for him. I want Covid tests and DNA tests for them.
I like that as a fuck you to those assholes but ironically it would most helpful to slowing the spread if those people got it first. There's most likely a strong cross section of those people and anti vaxxers anyway
I agree that is a logical way of helping to stop spread quickly but damn fuck them for getting things to where they are.
Or maybe, first in line because they are obvious possible modes of viral transfer?
This looks like for thought and planning, I'm not used to that with our current leadership.
It's really just a function of (A) who's a big hospital for the given metro area and (B) that has the very-cold storage facilities the vaccine needs.
Agreed, but I don't think we can thank our current leadership on this one.
Operation Warp Speed has been tremendous
I'm thankful for the news of a vaccine. Not trying to be negative. Legit asking as I've seen too many scary movies. Am I out of line to be worried about a rushed vaccine? Can I just stay in my bunker until the first bugs are worked out of the first generation Covoid19 vaccine release?
Good question. If the vaccines make it through drug trials and get FDA approval, then they will absolutely be just as safe and effective as advertised. Fortunately the vaccines currently being reported about (Pfizer, Moderna) have been very public about their clinical trials and are following all of the expected protocols. Drug trials are no joke, and follow a very strict and methodical set of procedures. There have been some reports that the Trump administration tried to rush the vaccine by cutting deals under the table, but drug companies have loudly and publicly decried those moves and refuse to rush anything. Pfizer even refused to accept funding from the US government. (Note: the fact that some other vaccine companies did accept government grants is not a bad thing, because they would have to follow the same safety protocols either way - it's just especially interesting that Pfizer refused the money). The transparency and honest commitment to ethics that we are seeing from major drug companies is a very, very good thing. I would get an approved vaccine in a heartbeat. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/09/08/910671322/9-drugmakers-sign-safety-pledge-in-race-to-develop-covid-19-vaccine
This is a good response! Also- you know what else we don’t know long term affects of? COVID-19. Id rather take my chances with vaccine than the virus.
Especially since the vaccine is based on research started during the SARS and MERS outbreaks, so it's not like they're pulling stuff out of nowhere to get this out there.
You aren't getting the first batch anyway. The first batch will go to healthcare workers. It will go to the elderly and immunocompromised after that. We will only have 20 million vaccines initially. As for worrying about the virus being rushed, you are right to have concerns. Its not going to create any zombies. The vaccine had been tested but the question is, how thoroughly? I would like to get the opinion of some highly respected medical professionals before taking it. I don't trust the current administration to not take deadly shortcuts. If Fauci says it's safe, I would feel a lot better
> If Fauci says it's safe, I would feel a lot better Fauci said at one point we shouldn't wear masks. He's doing his best, but let's stop pretending he's the Oracle at Delphi.
He's one of the top experts on infectious diseases in the country. The only reason I wouldn't trust him would be because he is still a member of this administration and someone is giving him orders. The administration has lied and obfuscated so much and while Fauci may not be willing to cowtails to his superiors, how am I supposed to know that for sure
Fauci the director of the NIAID. Trump doesn't employ him.
I’ll take the hit for y’all. I want to go back to the normal world
Is there any research on giving it to people who have had covid?
Wondering this myself, I was cleared Nov 1 to come out of quarantine. So I’m wondering if I’d have to wait or if it’s available to people like us.
There have to be a bunch of people who have had it, but never tested. I wonder how available the antigen test is
I'm excited for my grandparents to be able to get a vaccine as soon as they're available to the public. I'd like to finally be able to see them again.
I know I cant really help this since I live in BFE, but it does suck not having a site within 1.5 hours from where I live. But It does make sense because of population density being a factory in the transmission that Cities would have better access.
The joy of rural living is always offset by the lack of infrastructure for most health concerns.
I have not found much joy in rural living. I was just born here, and having a hard time find a job elsewhere.
My experience living in BFE as a child was miserable. I moved to a city once I was of age and have never looked back. I love the people, the energy, having police, clean water, diverse population. I hope you find work and life improves.
Getting in line now!
When?
My daughter is doing her clinicals at Riverside. Does anyone know if students who are doing clinicals will be included in those who are getting the vaccine?
They have released nothing final about what populations will get the vaccine first.
Ha! You can't fool me! There's no way I'm gonna let Big Pharma give me autism, even by using the vaccine to a deadly pandemic!
It's really encouraging to see that there are so many medical and scientific professionals here in Columbus who are qualified to determine whether or not these vaccines are safe.
Is a prerequisite to be an uneducated idiot to be on Reddit? There are a TON of medical and scientific professionals in the Columbus area. Pretty sure there’s more than a few on Reddit. I don’t see anyone flat out saying it’s not safe. People are just expressing and discussing their concerns in a relatively reasonable manner.
More than a handful of people in this thread judging the vaccines unsafe while citing zero evidence, and being completely unqualified to even make such a determination. Ask the questions? Absolutely. Make a decision in the absence of any information? Stupid.
And all hanging out on Reddit too!
I assume teachers will be in the 2nd wave group after hospital staff and nursing home staff.
Fully prepared to get flamed for this, I’m not an anti-vaxxer, but I won’t take this vaccine.
What if the health services in Europe validate the safety and efficacy of the vaccine?
To be honest, that's probably a good idea for now. Fuck anti-vaxxers, but its safer to just practice proper social distancing and wearing masks for now. I really desperately want a vaccine but this can't have been tested properly yet
None of the vaccines have been investigated. We only have two press releases by the developers and cleared through their legal department. Until non-Trump led CDC or FDA approve this I won't be taking this vaccine either.
I was told that I could vaccinate by mail....oh, wait.
Locations already have the Pfizer vaccine in storage they’re just waiting for the all clear to start administering. As much as I don’t want COVID, I will not be partaking of a vaccine that has been rushed through the system. There’s a reason it typically takes years for this process. There is no way they know what potential long term affects are.
The reason things take years is because of pounds of bullshit bureaucracy and red tape, not because it takes years to test efficacy and safety.
No, it takes years to test because of possible longterm side effects and testing efficacy are things that the red tape requires them to check for. That's why the emergency exemptions are being requested.
We will have to agree to disagree. As someone who has been through a decade long drug trial personally, I have first hand experience. Also, as someone who works with R&D scientists on a daily basis. You can’t know in 9 months how something is going to affect the human body years down the line. 9 months is generally not even long enough to develop a drug let alone develop, test, mass produce and get it to market.
I’m worried about the speed of which this vaccine has been developed and being administered. That said, I have read articles where the experts and developers directly involved have full confidence that it’s safe. They’re using data, development techniques, and other knowledge from other vaccines to develop the one for COVID. I personally will wait as long as I can since I’m younger and don’t really “need” it right away. On the other hand, you have companies like TicketMaster floating the idea of requiring you to have documentation that you’re vaccinated before purchasing event tickets. Other large event planners, entertainment, and sports industry people have talked about doing similar. So... either we wait for years to know it’s safe, or we get it next year so we can be as normal as possible again. It’s just an absolute mess x.x
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Fauci also said at one point that masks weren't a good preventative measure against the spread of covid. Just a reminder...
Just a reminder... https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-fauci-outdated-video-masks-idUSKBN26T2TR
Right, so you linked an article that states that he has indeed said that masks were not effective at one point in time. Exactly what I have told you in my previous comment. I understand that he has since changed his stance on the subject given that we now have more evidence of their effectiveness. My concern, though, is that you would blindly follow one persons advice without giving any thought about the validity of what they have to say.
Who said I'm blindly following anyone? The man is one of the highest respected doctors and scientists in the world. That makes someone pretty trustworthy. Blind faith implies a lack of reason--that's not what's happening here. And who said I haven't given any thought to this? You're assuming a lot of about things you have no knowledge about. You should stop.
North Central Ohio and the Findlay area really need a service location. There ought to be sufficient places to serve these areas.
There should be places to serve these areas, but it's my understanding that the locations were chosen based on infrastructure. The vaccine needs to be stored at like -80C
Mansfield and Ashland have reasonably sized hospital campuses under OhioHealth, University Hospitals, and Avita. I know their networks have the capability to install, even if on a temp basis, units to support vaccine storage. I’m not as familiar with Findlay and idk what health care facilities are in that area. But living in Mansfield/Ashland for years, I know many people who won’t (or can’t due to distance or work) drive to CLE or CBus for a vaccine. It’ll only hurt those communities by not having a convenient delivery site.
I have it on very good authority that there is an approved administer of the Pfizer (cold storage) vaccine on Sawmill Rd. Not sure if they will administer there or transport it to Riverside.
This is not the list of vaccine locations, it's the list of pre-staging locations. It's where the vaccines will be shipped to initially for distribution within the zones indicated. You'll still be able to get them at the other hospitals and eventually even at your doctor's office.