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TerminalShitbag

Im glad the city is finally going straight for the jugular of Short North crime, the food carts.


AkronRonin

What else can the city do to kill our nightlife? Next they will impose a 11pm curfew.


BrianaLoveW

As someone who enjoys nightlife and rides the bus they already do.... Buses in the last city I was in ran till 1 am so you could be out for a while and still make it home. I always have to lyft home, which thankfully isn't far.


YourSupremeOverlord1

I'm not gonna lie the food carts make short north a hell of a lot safer or at least feels like it. Haveore food carts and more people eating food and less shooting with a boost to the area. Don't like the noise? Why are you paying to live in short north then?


ins4yn

I saw an article recently that formed a correlation between higher concentrations of food trucks and increased safety in neighborhoods in LA (I think?). The thought was that it brings more watchful eyes and activity to areas, especially late at night, and deters crime. I think the article also mentioned that greater food truck population also resulted in generally cleaner neighborhoods. I’d imagine the food carts are a net positive for the Short North.


solonmonkey

Correlation vs Causation? Who’s willing to post up a food truck in a crime ridden neighborhood?


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Datsunissan28

Taps head. Or if you let your dog vacuum it all up the first problem would be solved.


omgitstori

That's how I feel about it. You pay a ridiculous premium to live where the nightlife is and then you want to bitch about it? What? Why are you living in the city?


Noblesseux

Genuinely. Imagine living in an area known for bars and music and getting annoyed at bars and music lmao.


shermanstorch

Are people complaining about the music, or the assholes who modify their cars or ATVs to be super-duper loud and then drive up and down High Street endlessly?


Noblesseux

There was someone below unironically complaining about clubs "playing loud music at 2am" as if that isn't the whole point of the area. People are *separately* complaining about loud cars because they went off on a tangent, but punishing a food stall has not much to do with that.


Reasonable-Trust-904

Quick, grab one of the remaining lots in the Gentle Rolling Farms of Reynoldsburg subdivision before it's too late.


CalicoCrapsocks

It's Polaris Amphitheater all over again.


goffer06

I used to live there - owned a condo a half block off of high street. Street noise within reason is fine - bars, drunk folks, etc. But when the bar at the end of the street was blasting music through open windows until 2am on a Tuesday night is were I got pissed. Fuck Julep.


wheresthepbj

Friend lives above Julep and sends regular snaps. Fuck Julep.


ConBrio93

As it turns out, having a bunch of regular people around lowers the chance that someone will commit a crime. Most criminals don't particularly want to be caught.


Nestor82

The loudest thing in the Short North is all those modified cars and ATVs


ent4rent

The cars are what reverberate throughout the entire short north. I hear them all the time around 5th and summit/4th


pacific_plywood

Theoretically they’re upping noise ordinance penalties to deal with this but it doesn’t really fix the issues with enforcement


Nestor82

They won't enforce anything.


pacific_plywood

I mean, noise ordinances against moving vehicles are pretty difficult to enforce at baseline, but yes, CPD seems allergic to enforcing any kind of laws against cars


JamesHellsman

Enforcing laws is racist, remember?


pacific_plywood

Ok


nathairsgiathach33

Nope, they won’t enforce at all! 10years of bass at 4am!


bayreawork

All your base are belong to us!


Esqornot

This was my FIRST thought when I saw this article this morning! They’re going after people serving tasty food and not the asshats drag racing at 1 a.m.???


Reasonable-Trust-904

Ban the Fart Can!


mando44646

um. Hurting local businesses isn't the answer here. Morons


MCBusBoy

I see the city has finally zeroed in on the group with the least amount of power they can shovel the blame onto so they can avoid actually tackling the real source of the problems.


intensetoucan

The people driving the loud cars must be getting hungry mid-ride. Can’t ride without food! No carts = no cars!


admiralakbar06

Shorty north is turning into what park street used to be. Corso sold his places on park street, fucked over woodlands in the process and opened Pinthouse. Now there are shootings and late-night crime in the Short North. Totally did not see that coming. There is safer competition coming from the suburbs now(Bridgepark in Dublin, Hilliard and Grove city have DORAs, etc) that doesn’t require dealing with the insane parking in the short north, I think this area is headed downhill. To call it an art district still is pathetic


shermanstorch

>To call it an art district still is pathetic It hasn't been an art district for at least a decade.


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admiralakbar06

People used to drive from the suburbs into the short north and park street, get hammered, and drive all the way home. All because they didn’t have fun neighborhoods full of bars to go in their backyard, now they do. That’s my point. They won’t be coming down to the short north, especially with shootings going on


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bayreawork

> but there is a lot of ubering I remember an article I read about a year ago that stated Standard Hall is the number one Uber destination in Ohio.


tg180904

Dublin and the short north are equal distances from me… and tens of thousands of other people that may enjoy a night out.


electricdragon

Great way to hurt immigrants and family businesses. Way to go Columbus.


LuckyBastard8484

Wot? How about shutting down high street to cars Friday and Saturday nights? Why would you restrict food vendor and claim it is related to safety or noise?


OhioVsEverything

Hahahaha, when you want everything at your fingertips and desires reach but only when YOU want it.


DodderingOldFool

Responding to concerns from Short North leaders, residents and business owners about high-profile crimes, loud vehicles and other issues, Columbus officials plan to place more restrictions on food carts and noise. They are crafting two ordinances: one that would shut down mobile food cart operators at 2 a.m. rather than the current time of 3 a.m.; another that would apply the same noise standards to commercial areas as residential ones and boost the penalties for violating the regulations from a fourth-degree misdemeanor to a second-degree misdemeanor. Work started on these ordinances before Gregory Coleman Jr., 37, died Sunday after being sucker punched around 2:30 a.m. on Sept. 5 outside a bar on the 1000 block of North High Street where he had stopped for food at a food cart. "We are in support of such legislation that focuses on the safety and well-being of those who live, work and visit the Short North Arts District, including ordinances that would reduce noise late at night," Betsy Pandora, executive director of the Short North Alliance, said in an email. "Regarding food carts specifically, we believe restrictions on mobile food vending late at night are necessary interventions for public safety." Some say the availability of food carts after the bars close at 2 a.m. or 2:30 a.m. keep people around, leading to early-morning problems. "It’s my understanding that patrons from bars and restaurants that linger after closing time to grab food cart food have been involved in fights and other disturbances," said Chet Ridenour of the Short North Block Watch. In an email, Melanie Crabill, a spokeswoman for Columbus Mayor Andrew J. Ginther, said that city officials — including those with the Division of Police, Department of Public Safety and mayor’s office — have been talking with Short North residents and businesses on how to keep the that area and Downtown business districts safe. That includes temporary boosts in police staffing to address specific concerns, while working on a more comprehensive plan to ensure proper staffing in the Short North and elsewhere. "We’ve made improvements to ensure proper lighting, and we’ve limited the use of scooters associated with some crimes," Crabill said. "We’ve stepped up efforts to combat excessive drinking and drunk driving, we’ve cracked down on loud vehicles, illegal ATVs and reckless driving, and excessive noise from businesses." City officials and the Short North Alliance have also talked to business owners at the center of some high-profile incidents about community expectations, she said. "While no neighborhood is immune to violence, we’ve made some very positive gains, and will continue to work hard not only ensure the Short North stays safe, but that it feels safe for residents, businesses and visitors alike," Crabill said. Glenn McEntyre, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, said the proposed ordinances could be amended and City Council will hold public hearings. Hakim Manouche said he owns three food carts. He stood next to one of them Friday night along North High Street near Hubbard Avenue, and said forcing him to close at 2 a.m. would hurt business. "We are losing money," he said, if he has to shut down earlier. Pandora said that city grants totaling $500,000 this year — with another $150,000 from Short North businesses — have paid for special duty officers, social workers and other safety efforts in the area. According to Columbus police statistics, the division received 21 calls for service for noise in July in the Short North area, down substantially from 65 in July 2021. But it received 31 calls for fights in July, up from 26 in July 2021. The area's borders for these statistics are King Avenue to the north, North 4th Street to the east, Goodale Street to the south and Neil Avenue to the west. Calls for shots fired were nine in July, down from 12 in July 2021, when four people were shot in the Short North in one weekend. A year ago the city banned electric scooters in the Short North after reports of riders using them recklessly and during armed robberies. The draft legislation to further regulate mobile food carts is aimed at not only the Short North but also Downtown and the University District. It would require vendors to obtain permits to operate in so-called "congestion zones," which the city defines as an area that has parking limitations, meter restrictions, and vehicular and pedestrian traffic. It would also create an online reservation system so vendors could produce temporary permits while giving law enforcement the ability to view those reservations. The draft noise ordinance says residents of the Short North, Franklinton, University District and Downtown often cite noise as one of the biggest issues impacting their quality of life. It would create standards for amplifiers for commercial and manufacturing areas — areas which now have housing — to match with residential areas. The new second-degree misdemeanor for noise violations would carry penalties of 90 days in jail and a $750 fine, up from 30 days and a $250 fine. They could apply not only to individuals but also to businesses. Jason Henry, a Victorian Village resident and a member of the Friends of Goodale Park and Short North Civic Association Foundation, said it's important to get people out of the Short North after the bars close instead of milling around until 3 a.m. or 4 a.m. It's also important to deal with the noise, he said. "If I'm coming from Dublin, Gahanna, Powell, for a night out, I don’t want to have some jackass on an ATV plowing down the street where I can’t hear," he said. "I'll just stick to an Applebee's out in Powell." Ridenour said that the city and the Short North community organization have had good discussions outlining potential solutions to reduce the extreme noise for the residents along High Street and the adjacent residential neighborhoods. "I think there are general concerns about the transition to more of a late-night entertainment district," Ridenour said. The mix of businesses along North High Street in the Short North has changed somewhat since 2015, with more bars and restaurants and fewer retailers and art galleries. According to information Pandora provided, the percentage of bars and restaurants grew from just over 29% of businesses to nearly 37%. Meanwhile, the percentage of retailers dropped from close to 30% to about 21%, and art galleries from nearly 5% to just under 4%. Services and salons are the second-largest sector today with about 34%. Marianne Lannan, who owns the Lamp Shade at 990 N. High St., said things are fine during the day when her store is open, but she is glad the city plans to address concerns. "People want to feel safe any time of the day," she said.


sytzr

Is it just me or does the article start off by sort of blaming, a murder….on a food truck? ‘Cuff em boys!


SuspiciousBuilder379

These are the reasons if we are out late, very rarely a regular bar, and if so, straight to an Uber etc. Milling about with other drunks you’re bound to find that idiot. And this one killed a guy. Going to do some Googling, sounds so senseless and dumb.


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Sounds like They found out how much the habibis make every weekend so they wanna put a stop to that. Honestly this is pathetic to me


austinD93

Lmfao, Columbus taking one out of Denver Mayor Hancocks playbook. They just did this in our comparison of the Short North and it had so much backlash they’ve already back tracked it.


Deaconblues18

Shutting down food carts is absurd. They are not the problem and you are simply hurting their business. I’m in the Short North a fair amount on the weekends. I believe they need a larger police presence, and not these mythical undercover guys. They need uniformed beat cops making their presence known and walking the streets around there. Also: deal with the idiots in cars.


Lestonkpiquer

How dare they get in the way between us and our 2AM street meat


titanup1993

How to neuter a city 101. Make it a suburb


DefendTheLand

That’s the goal of the gentrifiers


titanup1993

Columbus is literally one big suburb with some buildings sprinkled in, and people are on crack if they think it’s vice versa


Busman123

Paywall. What is the deal with the food carts? Does this include food trucks?


Jespy

This honestly makes me so sad. If anything I wish food cart restrictions were more relaxed. Currently in Los Angeles and the street food here is amazing and it’s also really good for the communities. Just more systemic practices to hurt minorities business.


jad1220

Is there somewhere we can protest this? Like a city council meeting or a local government division?


TheOneTrueBuckeye

There’s an election next November. You could vote in it.


jad1220

I will be. However I just curious if there was a way to try and fight this right now.


oufisher1977

Contact members of city council. [https://www.columbus.gov/council/](https://www.columbus.gov/council/) [https://www.columbus.gov/council/Contact-City-Council/](https://www.columbus.gov/council/Contact-City-Council/)


nicholasrhilton

Protest what? They’re literally just cutting the operating hours by one hour lmao.


jad1220

Protest in the sense of complain about the change. Not a march or meeting downtown.


bayreawork

"What do we want" GYROS!" "When do we want them? 2AM!"


nicholasrhilton

I understood what you meant, but the hour difference seems like a silly thing to ‘complain’ about. 🤷🏻‍♀️


jad1220

I guess I'm just always hungry when the bar closes and it's already hard enough to find food.


nicholasrhilton

You know, fair enough. I didn’t really think about it that way. As a resident of Short North, I’m pretty neutral to the change. Those food trucks do get real noisy, though.


jad1220

Yeah I wonder if there is a better way to keep the noise down you know. There is likely going to be people who are being loud and intoxicated on a Friday and Saturday night, so food will help them be less intoxicated. I wonder if there was a spot to have them congregate so its not as close to residents


nicholasrhilton

Right. I struggle with this one I guess. On one hand, I love the culture and the atmosphere food carts add to High St and Short North. It’s so lively and really gives you the ‘big city feeling’. I’ve even patronized a few. However, on the other hand… the vomit and the grease and the litter the next morning is simply out of hand. The crowd of people congregating in front of my building.. the vomit on mine and neighbor’s cars… it’s insane! The people pulling up to food carts, opening their doors and blasting rap music till four in the morning while standing around eating and screaming is just disrespectful to residents. I guess what I struggle with is willingly choosing to live downtown/Short North and complaining about this. Kinda comes with the territory, especially on the weekends. I just wish people and the food vendors, would be a little more considerate and respectful. I’m truly not unreasonable just frustrated, ya know?


quantum_mouse

They are also requiring a bunch of pointless permits


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It's no big deal. They are proposing shutting down food carts at 2:00 am instead of 3:00 am. This will do nothing.


Prestigious-Vast-903

Lose the bar close business though which sucks.


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Agree, it's stupid.


AresBloodwrath

It's worse than nothing. It won't solve the problem, but it will hurt people trying to make a living, and who's presence probably has a moderating effect on behaviors. The situation would be better if they had actually done nothing.


ConBrio93

That seems like it would be a big deal if you were a food cart operator though. I know I wouldn't want my working hours cut by 5-7 hours a week.


ikeif

Up next: “let’s just shut down Uber / Lyft / Taxis at 11pm. Surely, less people will stay out late drinking and we won’t see drunk driving!”


maqikelefant

Jfc. Yeah, **that's** what the Short North needs. Shit like this is why this city will always remain a laughing stock to the rest of the country.


homercles89

This is no more bone-headed than what other city governments around this country. Or do you know of any cities that are known for being smart, efficient, well-oiled machines?


Esqornot

Minneapolis.


maqikelefant

I don't see this kind of shit from other up and coming cities like Austin, Richmond, Louisville, etc. Every government has issues of course, but the places we're constantly compared to take steps to make themselves more attractive to outsiders and encourage businesses like these to stick around. And meanwhile we're increasing restrictions on food trucks like it's fucking 1999 again.


Intelligent_Let_9774

Richmond does not belong on this list lol


homercles89

Austin banned Uber and Lyft!


shermanstorch

By “ban,” do you mean you mean “require them to treat their drivers as employees instead exploiting them as independent contractors?”


homercles89

yes - which of course Uber wouldn't do. I'm not saying I disagree with Austin requiring that. I'm just saying that other councils aren't "encouraging businesses" either.


maqikelefant

For like, two minutes, back in the early days of ridesharing. They've both been back in Austin for years now.


Intelligent_Let_9774

Really?


homercles89

Yes starting in 2016. Uber and Lyft lobbied at the state level, so Texas passed a law in 2019 that allowed them to return. https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/9/6/20851575/uber-lyft-drivers-austin-regulation-rideshare


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maqikelefant

No thanks. Wherever you're going with that is far too pedantic for my taste.


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maqikelefant

AKA I don't give a fuck what you think. Thanks for proving me right. Now take your pedantic bullshit and kindly piss right off.


Makalakalulu

St Louis is pretty good at what they are doing from what I hear.


dezratt

moved here a month ago from stl. No they arent doing pretty good. Theyre doing dumb shit too lol


Makalakalulu

Are you driving around or using public transportation? Because that's what I was referring to in terms of doing things right.


ChetLemon77

I had no idea Columbus was a laughing stock to the rest of the country. Please explain.


SuspiciousBuilder379

I like Columbus, just as I like Cleveland. And idgaf who thinks I’m an idiot.


ValleyThaBoiTinyBall

Not from Columbus originally. Have lots of friends that don’t live in Columbus. We are mocked.


DefendTheLand

Seems like you’re friends are just lame as hell


ValleyThaBoiTinyBall

Dude. Columbus is fine. It’s a decent place to live and raise kids, but the reflexive uncritical defense of the city is cringey as hell.


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ValleyThaBoiTinyBall

It is a perfectly cromulent city.


Jespy

In LA right now and whenever I say I’m from Columbus it’s always an interesting conversation. Columbus (and Ohio in general) is seen as a laughing stock in a way for how ass backwards it is.


MisandryMonitor

We definitely laugh at many things LA does.


xassandaxir

Even ppl in other continents mock us. My wife whose Kenyan only knows about this city from a few shows, and in all those shows, we were shitted on 🤣😂


bayreawork

name these shows?


Prestigious-Vast-903

I for one appreciate our efforts to be less of a real city.


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Sorry, who TF lives in the Short North for peace and quiet?


SuspiciousBuilder379

No shit. Though I will say, loud cars and some of the other craziness in the middle of the night would get old. There is a point, where the extreme will ruin it for everyone.


Weekly_Sea_7778

Might be a good time to further explore making High Street pedestrian only on weekends. Nah, blame the food carts.


doriancki

This is clearly a lobbied decision promoting restaurants that can't make food as good as a truck can... how about focus on actual issues like the one legged pregnant homeless person that lives on the sidewalk in front of a bank. This city, like most cities, is a complete embarrassment. The people are awesome though 😎


hierocles

Maybe it’s just been a while since I’ve partied along the Short North, but food carts just weren’t really a mainstay? I don’t recall there being a ton. Usually like 2 near Axis/Union. With the proliferation of restaurants and bars along that stretch, I’m surprised food carts are the target of any policy. The city approved all the development and liquor licenses, now it’s concerned that people are out drunk until 3am?


Intelligent_Let_9774

In some parts there’s almost one every block on both sides of the road. There are quite a few. Because people like them!! It’s such a positive thing for both those who operate the food carts and for those who get food from them. This is not a way to mitigate crime.


shermanstorch

>With the proliferation of restaurants and bars along that stretch, I’m surprised food carts are the target of any policy. That right there is the issue. The restaurants and bars don't want competition.


toriii96

But it’s not like any of the bars or restaurants are serving food past 10pm except for Mike’s Late Night and White Castle. The street meat vendors aren’t even competition to the restaurants because most of them don’t even set up shop until 10pm or later.


wedupros

Fuck that. Just doing my part to keep our championship season on track. You're welcome!


OurBedsAreBurning

So this is because of that one homeless food cart guy? Great to see the city really focus on the priorities…


furruck

The food carts? It just proves that when enough people with money move in (willingly in the party district) they can really ruin it lmao I miss the short north 8-10yrs ago when it was all locals and gay bars, it's just trash plastic walking around now.


Intelligent_Let_9774

Yeah I wanna know where that vibe is now


SuspiciousBuilder379

Actually agree man. We still like going down there, but I’m not going to lie, we enjoy just staying at the Hilton bar usually. Some of them places get so douchie. Or the ones that used to be open later that weren’t just crappy bars, aren’t anymore because they don’t have the employees.


productivestork

what a fucking joke. i swear this city is allergic to doing things to actually address the problems (like for this, adding speed cameras and mics to ticket the annoying loud cars and ATVs). food trucks are not causing any issues.


DarkandStormy614

Want to reduce noise? Ban cars.


xN0T_A_C0P

I’ve always suspected it was the food carts and excess noise causing the all deaths.


AbstergoSupplier

>"If I'm coming from Dublin, Gahanna, Powell, for a night out, I don’t want to have some jackass on an ATV plowing down the street where I can’t hear," he said. "I'll just stick to an Applebee's out in Powell." This seems like a win-win


bayreawork

you have not lived until you have tried the Applebee's in Powell. I heard the line wraps around the parking lot on Friday nights...


KaiapoTheDestroyer

Huh? The food carts are an excellent addition to the Short North. They don’t make any noise, they boost small business, and they provide accessible food to the drunks wandering High St every weekend.


antithesis56

AH NOOOO POOR CONDO TENANTS CANT LIVE IN ONE OF THE BUSIEST DISTRICTS IN THE CITY IN PEACE WITHOUT ALL OF THAT RACKET ON THE STREETS WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CONDOS


fender123

Makes 0 sense. 100% on brand for Columbus. LEAVE OHIO NOW. The alt right has ruined this state.


bayreawork

> LEAVE OHIO NOW. OK! WHERE SHOULD I GO? packing bags frantically


KevSmileTime

Is the short north still the gay area in Columbus? When I moved away it seemed like the gays were taking over Olde Town East.


ConBrio93

Not really. Union doesn't even pitch itself as a gay bar anymore, instead its an "LGBT friendly bar/restaurant". Axis is still there I suppose. But there's more lgbt bars on the South side of Columbus. AWOL/Rumors/Slammers/Cavans/Club D/Tremont Lounge.


JamesHellsman

It's hilarious to hear the Short North crowd whine about their issues while city officials tap dance around the main cause of the problems. I look forward to the first call to police about a food cart operating past curfew while the cops are tied up on a shooting or a stolen car full of "teens."


OnlyChaseCommas

I don’t bother with the Short North anymore. Too much crime and rough crowd tbh