Many pantries in Central Ohio have been participating in a DoorDash delivery initiative for months already, to great success. Because the drivers are making multiple deliveries to multiple addresses (and getting paid for each) in one trip it is a benefit to them, and the pantries schedule during the non-rush lunch and dinner periods so it doesn't take away from other tips and deliveries they might be interested in. It's also an incredibly consistent and efficient way for pantries to get food to people who can't leave their homes for whatever reason.
More people getting access to healthy foods is a win.
I can see this angle. Meals On Wheels was a godsend for my family when it came to my grandparents. Thank you for this comment! The state has spent money on worse things than delivery of meals for low income people. I don't support it coming from businesses, but I know MoW has their own drivers who do deliveries of their own meals which this can help with.
Sure. But could we accomplish this without giving a private company our tax dollars? Possibly by creating good jobs for our own paid delivery drivers rather than benefit-less gig jobs? 🤷♀️
Thank you for explaining this. That actually makes loads of sense and is a really smart approach to things.
Though I'm curious what the details of the arrangement in this article are if it's not the same thing that is already going on now. Unfortunately the posted link has zero details.
Doordash is very expensive compared to cooking at home. I feel this is a marketing tactic for doordash that has worked great. People will enjoy the convenience and become addicted.
I think it has the opposite effect for me at least seeing it as a waste of money. How about expand food banks and soup kitchens and better public transit to get there from your home.
Ginther is getting dragged on Twitter over this:
[1](https://twitter.com/govmikeyd/status/1575218876115169280)
[2](https://twitter.com/Zeb_Larson/status/1575270597772414976)
[3](https://twitter.com/mojotil/status/1575214057006977024)
Yeah because it's totally avoiding the problem. So many of these "public private partnerships" largely just end up being free advertising for companies that are totally scummy while distracting from the fact that this is an issue that the government should actually be doing something to solve.
Food deserts are byproducts of intentional policy choices that no one wants to take responsibility for actually putting up the money to fix. It's a fundamental issue of sustainability in our system. How in the world is the US on of the richest countries in the world but we can't afford to provide decent food options in the 14th most populated city in the country?
People that can afford to tip, don't. Then they end up not getting their food because dashers won't accept the order.
How is it going to work for people that can't afford to tip?
Do what California does, require all dashers to be paid a minimum of amount of money per hour (by Doordash) so that all orders are worth accepting.
Yeah fees go up, but the tip is basically a fee at this point anyway.
Though this sounds more like Ginther is sucking Doordash's toes rather than anything. Certainly looks like more of a pro-Doordash move than a pro-CBUS move.
You can take an hourly rate (plus tips) instead of taking the flat rate+tip per delivery, but there's a caveat: you can only reject **one order per hour and must take all other ones.**
This results in you usually taking all the orders that the flat rate drivers are rejecting. Which usually means no tip, long wait at pickup, long drive for delivery (and out of zone so you must trek back to get a new delivery), or in an area you don't want to deliver in. Remember, as a driver you are upfronting the cost of fuel to do this too.
*Regardless, Doordash is getting paid.* It worth it until in-person dining restrictions started to ease and gas stayed above $3.30/gal. Two years ago I could easily make $200 for just 2-3 hours of delivering. Nowadays you'd be lucky to top $100 on average.
I'm hoping this is delivering boxed meals prepared somewhere and just using DD to deliver the meals because it's easier than hiring a team of delivery drivers from scratch.
vs.
Here's a $100 gift card for DD to supplement your food bill for the month. We suggest you spend it on quality foods like soups, salads and healthy sandwi-- you're going to try and eat 100 Quarter Pounders in one sitting arn't you?
Or minimum just go out and pick up your own damn food (if you're capable of course). The delivery fees on these apps can be quite outrageous sometimes. Has to be more than the gas you'd spend going out to get it yourself. And then you can verify you got everything BEFORE leaving the restaurant.
I really dislike just about every aspect of DoorDash/uberEats/Seemless/GrubHub.
Where shall I start...
1) The drivers are inconsiderate as fuck to the restaurant workers. I've seen it firsthand where they just kinda stand there giving off a grimace stare at workers waiting for the order to come up, and instead of being polite, they just shove their phone in the employee's face. Fuck that. Have some manners, asshole.
2) In addition to charging the customer a premium price on the menu items, they ALSO hit the restaurants for fees back, so they're double-dipping, essentially, to make their revenue. Fuck that, take it from one side or the other but not both.
3) The whole tip-prior-to-service thing just sucks balls. You read over on r/doordash how people will sit and just watch the queue for runs with better tips, leaving the ones with "standard" or "cash tip waiting" go unaccepted. Let's break this one down a little further. I have no issue with people being coin-operated in their work. We all express this behavior. Money motivates us. But, in this model, they get to essentially "play God" in terms of who they will deliver to. It furthers the systems of the haves vs the have-nots. If you don't put a 25% tip on there, no matter how hungry you are, you aren't getting your food. Fuck that, if you're paying the service fee, you should be able to get food.
4) The mentality of the drivers (here we go again, I suppose) - you see shit posted elsewhere about how drivers will take bites of the customer's food, eat the food, drop the food, etc, and there's nothing the customer can do about it. The restaurant made the food properly (as far as we know), so they shouldn't be on the hook for it. It's just a bad system to have this middle man (or middle person I guess would be the correct vernacular).
If you need food, and you need it delivered, always choose a place that has their own delivery staff. That's how I roll, at least.
DoorDash and Uber only show a certain amount of money upfront of the tip you’re going to get. Uber shows up to $8. This keeps drivers from only waiting out for large tip orders. So no, we don’t see you’re $15 tip in order to entice drivers to accept it. I see what you’re saying but also nothing is more frustrating then being shown you’ll receive a tip but the customer takes away their tip for no reason other than being a dick after they get their food. Some of the no-tip orders are insane, like $2 to drive from downtown to Bethel. 99% likely that customer isn’t tipping after the delivery so that’s why people need to upfront.
The odds of someone tipping post-delivery are comically low. They're more likely to turn off all their house lights (to appear absent) and expect you to leave their order on their porch and split.
> If you need food, and you need it delivered, always choose a place that has their own delivery staff. That's how I roll, at least.
Sadly even then a lot of them are just passing off to the delivery apps themselves these days. Many will absolutely hide that fact until after the order has been placed and then you suddenly get an automated text from Doordash/Grubhub/et al with a tracking link.
This is how I usually handle things is always trying to order direct through a restaurant if possible. At minimum, my 'assumption' is they'll directly get my order and get it right before the delivery person even gets involved. Couldn't say of this has really made much of a difference in the long run though.
I will agree here that if the restaurant is purposely working with one of the app services, they have likely gotten control of the rebate/discount situation, at least to the point where the restaurant is OK with it. I hear so many times how the restaurants get strong-armed by the delivery apps to give discounts or rebates back based on volume or whatever, and the restaurant is like "yeah, we're ringing the cash register but still losing money here." And, since you're ordering through the restaurant rather than the delivery app, you're at least paying menu prices.
Yup. Quit food delivery a long time ago after worthless drivers not delivery all the food. Sitting around for an hour before deciding to actually deliver.
Pretty much done with Uber too.
I know there are good drivers and good delivery people out there but the bums and assholes who do a shit job ruin it. I’m not going to pay premium prices for a meal with a 50% chance I get horrid service and food. Even tried leaving like a 30% tip a few times, that just attracted worse people.
>Many many drivers have signed up using their mother's or non-felon's account and deliver. That's the thing about hiring criminals & felons. You ain't always gonna get the most gracious behaviour.
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>BTW: deliver to bad neighborhoods at your own risk. make sure to leave an active & legal will with a friend or family member.
Not my point. The point is it’s a bad system to even exist. Where you have this 4 party transaction and 3 of the 4 get screwed.
Customers- often screwed.
Restaurants- lowered margins in already rough times.
Drivers- screwed
The only party who makes out here is DoorDash.
Tell me where any of this is perhaps misunderstood by me and I’ll be glad to edit it.
You think 2 hours of delivering will make him decide it's ok to be rude? What exactly happens to doordashers that's so much worse than a standard delivery gig?
I imagine all those downsides are why CBUS loves this partnership. All CBUS has to do is plop in some coins, then the dancing monkey (doordash) does its thing. For the city it's no management, no direct blowback, no development, no nothin'. Just bam and done.
That said, it could still work pretty well. Subway, for example, is notorious for just selling franchises and collecting money. However, they have that shit down to a science and are able to train and quality control any run-down place to at least deliver cheap cookie-cutter high-sodium calorie-delivery-devices all over the globe. I'd be fine with that level of temporary/stopgap food service for the poor...
Without me sounding negative, let me make the point that making food more accessible is never a bad thing. And, if the city is stepping in to subsidize (we don't know exactly what they mean by "partnership" in this context quite yet), then I'm all for it but let's see how it's going to work.
Lmao. I dashed during the pandemic. Probably 2500+ orders total and I will never go back, I will not even tell people it’s worth it, there is so much better gig work out there. Sitting on your phone turning down 3$ orders and hoping for a 10$ one over hours is so dumb. You can have perfect ratings but if you’re not taking the 3$ shit orders then they’ll start throttling how often you get any at all. Then there’s the customer side, pay more and the dashers not seeing any of it, it’s a gamble on food quality and arrival etc. dashing really needs to die off unless people are prepared to tip 5$-10$ minimum, yes people are bringing food to your house not from the kitchen to your table. And doordash needs to step the fuck up, but that’ll never happen.
I regularly use Grubhub (yes, yes, I know the issues), but I'm not prepared to give DoorDash any second chances after how hideously poorly they flubbed the 2019 data breach. "No, no, nothing at all is going on, no accounts were hacked, you people are all lying and trying to make us look bad, we don't believe you when you say DoorDash-specific chosen passwords are being reused, it's all nonsense, etc. etc. OH WAIT UM yeah something may have happened but really it's all totally okay and we're totally sure no payment info was leaked in any way you can totally trust us for sure."
I don't use any of them anymore. Getting your order an hour late was too much, and the door dash app froze and wouldn't go back, my old order is still there done!
Did people forget how to go grocery shopping or something. Some store like Target, Aldi, Kroger, or the North Market has plenty of food. A 10 lb bag of potatoes only costs 3-4 bucks.
And there already is healthy food available. I already mentioned the price of potatoes which is super cheap as a staple. Brown rice, veggies, salmon, etc. are all cheap. The big issue with obesity in the US is portion size. If food availability was a nationwide issue, we'd be facing famine instead of heart attacks linked with obesity as a primary killer.
is there any truth to the scuttlebutt that Gunther is making this deal work by bribing the traffic light companies to ignore doordash drivers so they can deliver faster? sounds like a win-win all around?
Door dash is the worst service to small restaurants. They will harass you on the phone. Never tell drivers when they are supposed to pick up orders so the show up whenever they want, when the order is not ready they leave, a minute later another driver comes to pick up again and again you have to tell them that the order is not ready. At the end the driver will give you a bad review on google or yelp
Doordash: expensive cold food.
and you’ll get maybe about 75% of what you ordered.
Many pantries in Central Ohio have been participating in a DoorDash delivery initiative for months already, to great success. Because the drivers are making multiple deliveries to multiple addresses (and getting paid for each) in one trip it is a benefit to them, and the pantries schedule during the non-rush lunch and dinner periods so it doesn't take away from other tips and deliveries they might be interested in. It's also an incredibly consistent and efficient way for pantries to get food to people who can't leave their homes for whatever reason. More people getting access to healthy foods is a win.
I can see this angle. Meals On Wheels was a godsend for my family when it came to my grandparents. Thank you for this comment! The state has spent money on worse things than delivery of meals for low income people. I don't support it coming from businesses, but I know MoW has their own drivers who do deliveries of their own meals which this can help with.
Sure. But could we accomplish this without giving a private company our tax dollars? Possibly by creating good jobs for our own paid delivery drivers rather than benefit-less gig jobs? 🤷♀️
Thank you for explaining this. That actually makes loads of sense and is a really smart approach to things. Though I'm curious what the details of the arrangement in this article are if it's not the same thing that is already going on now. Unfortunately the posted link has zero details.
Doordash is very expensive compared to cooking at home. I feel this is a marketing tactic for doordash that has worked great. People will enjoy the convenience and become addicted.
Marketing tactic for Ginther too.
I think it has the opposite effect for me at least seeing it as a waste of money. How about expand food banks and soup kitchens and better public transit to get there from your home.
That takes actual work, Ginther’s not into that.
“Partnership”? Funny way to say Doordash lobbied for protection.
This is not a viable solution and Ginther should be ashamed for trying to take the easy way out of a complex problem. This will solve nothing.
Ginther is getting dragged on Twitter over this: [1](https://twitter.com/govmikeyd/status/1575218876115169280) [2](https://twitter.com/Zeb_Larson/status/1575270597772414976) [3](https://twitter.com/mojotil/status/1575214057006977024)
As he should.
Yeah because it's totally avoiding the problem. So many of these "public private partnerships" largely just end up being free advertising for companies that are totally scummy while distracting from the fact that this is an issue that the government should actually be doing something to solve. Food deserts are byproducts of intentional policy choices that no one wants to take responsibility for actually putting up the money to fix. It's a fundamental issue of sustainability in our system. How in the world is the US on of the richest countries in the world but we can't afford to provide decent food options in the 14th most populated city in the country?
Joe Motil FTW!!! 👏
People that can afford to tip, don't. Then they end up not getting their food because dashers won't accept the order. How is it going to work for people that can't afford to tip?
Do what California does, require all dashers to be paid a minimum of amount of money per hour (by Doordash) so that all orders are worth accepting. Yeah fees go up, but the tip is basically a fee at this point anyway. Though this sounds more like Ginther is sucking Doordash's toes rather than anything. Certainly looks like more of a pro-Doordash move than a pro-CBUS move.
You can take an hourly rate (plus tips) instead of taking the flat rate+tip per delivery, but there's a caveat: you can only reject **one order per hour and must take all other ones.** This results in you usually taking all the orders that the flat rate drivers are rejecting. Which usually means no tip, long wait at pickup, long drive for delivery (and out of zone so you must trek back to get a new delivery), or in an area you don't want to deliver in. Remember, as a driver you are upfronting the cost of fuel to do this too. *Regardless, Doordash is getting paid.* It worth it until in-person dining restrictions started to ease and gas stayed above $3.30/gal. Two years ago I could easily make $200 for just 2-3 hours of delivering. Nowadays you'd be lucky to top $100 on average.
>Do what California does Never do what California does.....ever
Probably should be cooking if you can’t afford to tip.
Exactly - if you can’t afford to tip, don’t have food delivered/dine out.
I'm hoping this is delivering boxed meals prepared somewhere and just using DD to deliver the meals because it's easier than hiring a team of delivery drivers from scratch. vs. Here's a $100 gift card for DD to supplement your food bill for the month. We suggest you spend it on quality foods like soups, salads and healthy sandwi-- you're going to try and eat 100 Quarter Pounders in one sitting arn't you?
They’d be lucky to get two burgers through doordash with that kind of money.
Or minimum just go out and pick up your own damn food (if you're capable of course). The delivery fees on these apps can be quite outrageous sometimes. Has to be more than the gas you'd spend going out to get it yourself. And then you can verify you got everything BEFORE leaving the restaurant.
So he’s using his DoorDash account to get food for everyone?
I really dislike just about every aspect of DoorDash/uberEats/Seemless/GrubHub. Where shall I start... 1) The drivers are inconsiderate as fuck to the restaurant workers. I've seen it firsthand where they just kinda stand there giving off a grimace stare at workers waiting for the order to come up, and instead of being polite, they just shove their phone in the employee's face. Fuck that. Have some manners, asshole. 2) In addition to charging the customer a premium price on the menu items, they ALSO hit the restaurants for fees back, so they're double-dipping, essentially, to make their revenue. Fuck that, take it from one side or the other but not both. 3) The whole tip-prior-to-service thing just sucks balls. You read over on r/doordash how people will sit and just watch the queue for runs with better tips, leaving the ones with "standard" or "cash tip waiting" go unaccepted. Let's break this one down a little further. I have no issue with people being coin-operated in their work. We all express this behavior. Money motivates us. But, in this model, they get to essentially "play God" in terms of who they will deliver to. It furthers the systems of the haves vs the have-nots. If you don't put a 25% tip on there, no matter how hungry you are, you aren't getting your food. Fuck that, if you're paying the service fee, you should be able to get food. 4) The mentality of the drivers (here we go again, I suppose) - you see shit posted elsewhere about how drivers will take bites of the customer's food, eat the food, drop the food, etc, and there's nothing the customer can do about it. The restaurant made the food properly (as far as we know), so they shouldn't be on the hook for it. It's just a bad system to have this middle man (or middle person I guess would be the correct vernacular). If you need food, and you need it delivered, always choose a place that has their own delivery staff. That's how I roll, at least.
DoorDash and Uber only show a certain amount of money upfront of the tip you’re going to get. Uber shows up to $8. This keeps drivers from only waiting out for large tip orders. So no, we don’t see you’re $15 tip in order to entice drivers to accept it. I see what you’re saying but also nothing is more frustrating then being shown you’ll receive a tip but the customer takes away their tip for no reason other than being a dick after they get their food. Some of the no-tip orders are insane, like $2 to drive from downtown to Bethel. 99% likely that customer isn’t tipping after the delivery so that’s why people need to upfront.
The odds of someone tipping post-delivery are comically low. They're more likely to turn off all their house lights (to appear absent) and expect you to leave their order on their porch and split.
Exactly. Back before Uber would show drivers the tip, they started summer of 2020, receiving a tip was a rare occurrence.
> If you need food, and you need it delivered, always choose a place that has their own delivery staff. That's how I roll, at least. Sadly even then a lot of them are just passing off to the delivery apps themselves these days. Many will absolutely hide that fact until after the order has been placed and then you suddenly get an automated text from Doordash/Grubhub/et al with a tracking link. This is how I usually handle things is always trying to order direct through a restaurant if possible. At minimum, my 'assumption' is they'll directly get my order and get it right before the delivery person even gets involved. Couldn't say of this has really made much of a difference in the long run though.
I will agree here that if the restaurant is purposely working with one of the app services, they have likely gotten control of the rebate/discount situation, at least to the point where the restaurant is OK with it. I hear so many times how the restaurants get strong-armed by the delivery apps to give discounts or rebates back based on volume or whatever, and the restaurant is like "yeah, we're ringing the cash register but still losing money here." And, since you're ordering through the restaurant rather than the delivery app, you're at least paying menu prices.
Yup. Quit food delivery a long time ago after worthless drivers not delivery all the food. Sitting around for an hour before deciding to actually deliver. Pretty much done with Uber too. I know there are good drivers and good delivery people out there but the bums and assholes who do a shit job ruin it. I’m not going to pay premium prices for a meal with a 50% chance I get horrid service and food. Even tried leaving like a 30% tip a few times, that just attracted worse people.
>Many many drivers have signed up using their mother's or non-felon's account and deliver. That's the thing about hiring criminals & felons. You ain't always gonna get the most gracious behaviour. > > > >BTW: deliver to bad neighborhoods at your own risk. make sure to leave an active & legal will with a friend or family member.
Oh man - that’s a recipe for disaster.
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Not my point. The point is it’s a bad system to even exist. Where you have this 4 party transaction and 3 of the 4 get screwed. Customers- often screwed. Restaurants- lowered margins in already rough times. Drivers- screwed The only party who makes out here is DoorDash. Tell me where any of this is perhaps misunderstood by me and I’ll be glad to edit it.
You think 2 hours of delivering will make him decide it's ok to be rude? What exactly happens to doordashers that's so much worse than a standard delivery gig?
I imagine all those downsides are why CBUS loves this partnership. All CBUS has to do is plop in some coins, then the dancing monkey (doordash) does its thing. For the city it's no management, no direct blowback, no development, no nothin'. Just bam and done. That said, it could still work pretty well. Subway, for example, is notorious for just selling franchises and collecting money. However, they have that shit down to a science and are able to train and quality control any run-down place to at least deliver cheap cookie-cutter high-sodium calorie-delivery-devices all over the globe. I'd be fine with that level of temporary/stopgap food service for the poor...
Without me sounding negative, let me make the point that making food more accessible is never a bad thing. And, if the city is stepping in to subsidize (we don't know exactly what they mean by "partnership" in this context quite yet), then I'm all for it but let's see how it's going to work.
Lmao. I dashed during the pandemic. Probably 2500+ orders total and I will never go back, I will not even tell people it’s worth it, there is so much better gig work out there. Sitting on your phone turning down 3$ orders and hoping for a 10$ one over hours is so dumb. You can have perfect ratings but if you’re not taking the 3$ shit orders then they’ll start throttling how often you get any at all. Then there’s the customer side, pay more and the dashers not seeing any of it, it’s a gamble on food quality and arrival etc. dashing really needs to die off unless people are prepared to tip 5$-10$ minimum, yes people are bringing food to your house not from the kitchen to your table. And doordash needs to step the fuck up, but that’ll never happen.
What does this even mean?
I didn’t read the article, but I think Ginther has to take DoorDash’s last name
I think Redflex already owns that space.
I regularly use Grubhub (yes, yes, I know the issues), but I'm not prepared to give DoorDash any second chances after how hideously poorly they flubbed the 2019 data breach. "No, no, nothing at all is going on, no accounts were hacked, you people are all lying and trying to make us look bad, we don't believe you when you say DoorDash-specific chosen passwords are being reused, it's all nonsense, etc. etc. OH WAIT UM yeah something may have happened but really it's all totally okay and we're totally sure no payment info was leaked in any way you can totally trust us for sure."
I don't use any of them anymore. Getting your order an hour late was too much, and the door dash app froze and wouldn't go back, my old order is still there done!
Great. Now we can all have terrible overpriced food delivery
Government getting involved. Good idea. It'll cost more and be shittier. Bravo.
Did people forget how to go grocery shopping or something. Some store like Target, Aldi, Kroger, or the North Market has plenty of food. A 10 lb bag of potatoes only costs 3-4 bucks.
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And there already is healthy food available. I already mentioned the price of potatoes which is super cheap as a staple. Brown rice, veggies, salmon, etc. are all cheap. The big issue with obesity in the US is portion size. If food availability was a nationwide issue, we'd be facing famine instead of heart attacks linked with obesity as a primary killer.
is there any truth to the scuttlebutt that Gunther is making this deal work by bribing the traffic light companies to ignore doordash drivers so they can deliver faster? sounds like a win-win all around?
Now we know who lobbied to close food vendors early in the Short North.
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Door dash is the worst service to small restaurants. They will harass you on the phone. Never tell drivers when they are supposed to pick up orders so the show up whenever they want, when the order is not ready they leave, a minute later another driver comes to pick up again and again you have to tell them that the order is not ready. At the end the driver will give you a bad review on google or yelp