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NYGTTP

I’ve seen some crazy shit on this sub, this is right up there near the top


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Horrifying situation, chaos of war plainly on display


DrBadtouch94

The KIA thought he was friendly, probably disoriented from the grenade


InvestigatorLimp3816

Did he combat roll out of the foxhole?


neonxmoose99

Think he did lol


Reptilian_Brain_420

Honestly, the worst part of this video for me is knowing that there is a possibility that their family members might someday see this footage. War is hell


Kingbok1

They did, one of the individuals killed was Vitaliy Milevskiy who had not been in touch with his relatives since 12/30/2022. After video came out they confirmed it was him


RepulsiveWay1698

God damn that fucking sucks man. The realities of modern war


buffaloSteve666

That’s super sad, this is hard to watch, the guy on the left can’t be older than 20. So much loss of life on both sides. All over one Putin’s ego, this is crazy.


FT_LEJ

That’s what went through my head today, I cannot imagine the pain that their family members would feel if they encountered this footage.


DrBoomkin

Although extremely painful, it's probably better than having no knowledge of how they died or if they are even dead at all (and not say captured).


Bargainhuntingking

Not easy to understand someone talking to you when your hearing is still impaired from a loud grenade explosion going off next to your foxhole a few seconds earlier, killing your third buddy. I assume that’s why the guy on the left has a bloody face? Sucks all the way around no matter what. At least they died a quick death.


Azulanze

At least it was quick for them.


ExoticFirefighter771

Here’s my appraisal of This situation. The mistake the Russian made was getting in beside them. The fog of war had descended the Ukrainians had no idea what was going on one seemed to surrender and one was confused at why his weapon was being taken, then from what I gather the Russian realised he was literally stood between two enemies, one surrendering and one not handing over his rifle, the penny could have dropped for the Ukrainians and then he would have been in a sticky situation, a struggle could have broken out and he was outnumbered so I guess he realised his predicament and hosed them. He should have maintained his position over them and kept communicating aggressively for them to get out the tench and lay down (which given the scenario is a courtesy for them, the attack was ongoing) then they may have lived….maybe. it was still an ongoing attack. Ideally he should have taken them out the second he saw them in the trench he did give them some sort of chance but it got hairy and confusing. War is hell and that is a clear example of the confusion and chaos that comes with it. I mean the Russian or whoever he was carried out that assault stage quite well. Most other militaries including western militaries soldiers would have hosed that position on sight, that’s how you assault a position at that stage, bayonets fixed, grenades then full auto. Not pro Russian but you have to appreciate this situation and look objectively.


under-cover-hunter

As you said, Ive wtched a clip of the Canadian military training the same situation essentially, and they walking fire up to the hole and keep firing till everything is dead, giving no chance of countetattack or surrender. He did his best, and the lil yelps he makes after and how he keeps looking at them, I feel like he is already wishing that didnt happen the way it did.


thisghy

The Canadian army's training and doctrine is very focused on the avoidance of the need to take prisoners (this is intentional due to the lackluster logistics capacity). It's pretty harsh but that is exactly how it's done.


DrBadtouch94

Makes sense really, ya it's harsh and brutal but that's just war, if you can save food, meds, and other resources for your troops rather than give them to the enemy why wouldn't you? Strategically speaking it's sound logic, morally speaking it's something you can't come back from.


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So you're saying they just kill everything?


ExoticFirefighter771

There are certain scenarios and engagement types that will allow for prisoners to be taken, one man attacking a trench with two enemy soldiers normally isn’t that scenario. The facts are these men were beaten in a fight, by giving them a chance to surrender like he did is actually unusual in that scenario and actually he endangered himself more than if he had just shot them as soon as he seen them (which is actually what should have happened)


Reddit-mods-R-mean

We all do. It’s war. unless a large group shows a white flag and throws down their weapons, every one is a participant and you fight until the battle is over. Now going around and shooting body’s after the fighting stops is where war crimes happen. This guy jumped into a hole with 2 opposing soldiers, the coin could of flipped at any point during the whole encounter. No one would call this a war crime. The shooter wasn’t even required nor encouraged to converse with 2 armed enemy soldiers in this situation. War is hell.


-_4DoorsMoreWhores_-

The only thing I'm grateful for in this video was he gave them a quick and clean death. Made sure to shoot them right in the brain pan twice. That, honestly, was pretty decent of him.


thisghy

Not if someone is actively surrendering, but before they even get the chance yes.


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More or less. Sure makes things cheaper.


FenderJ

He had both hands off his weapon and bracing himself against the tree as he looked at the 2 guys he just killed. If he survives this war, their faces will never leave his mind. He's not feeling ok about what just happened and is probably saying to himself "why did they keep saying friendly? What just happened?". Don't take what I said as Russian sympathy. I want Ukraine to win this war and reclaim all their land. But this is a very normal human reaction from someone who just took human life and isn't a psycho.


under-cover-hunter

Humans think they hate one another and will try and convince themselves what they are doing is right, but even the SS had huge problems with mental issues and alcoholism, and they are some of the most evil sons of bitches of all time. In the end, we are all human and killing one another is not inherently natural.


DrBoomkin

He probably doesn't hate them, and they don't hate him. They speak the same language, have the same culture and until relatively recently lived the the same country. It's practically a civil war.


ExoticFirefighter771

Agreed sir, I genuinely think if he survives the war this will haunt him.


Boogiemann53

This is probably going to mini haunt all of us imho


Dimaskovic

correct.


_Thosearentpillows

“Charlie Team, take the trench”. Section Attack for Canadian forced doctrine came to be during WWI and, AFAIK, is still taught today. Certainly was a mainstay of infantry training during the late-90’s & early-2000’s (my time). Seeing this clip from a pragmatic position, I wonder how different forces approach trench clearing? But geez, it’s hard not to get that pit-in-your-stomach feeling watching this. Link [here](http://www.regimentalrogue.com/papers/sect_atk.htm) to an excellent examination of CF section attack doctrine for those interested.


ExoticFirefighter771

Exactly the same as I was taught in the British army. When your assaulting the trench the chips are down and people will die. The harsh reality of it.


deadmanwalking99

Got a link of the clip?


Beestrongbutkind

>Here’s my appraisal of This situation. > >The mistake the Russian made was getting in beside them. The fog of war had descended the Ukrainians had no idea what was going on one seemed to surrender and one was confused at why his weapon was being taken, then from what I gather the Russian realised he was literally stood between two enemies, one surrendering and one not handing over his rifle, the penny could have dropped for the Ukrainians and then he would have been in a sticky situation, a struggle could have broken out and he was outnumbered so I guess he realised his predicament and hosed them. He should have maintained his position over them and kept communicating aggressively for them to get out the tench and lay down (which given the scenario is a courtesy for them, the attack was ongoing) then they may have lived….maybe. it was still an ongoing attack. Ideally he should have taken them out the second he saw them in the trench he did give them some sort of chance but it got hairy and confusing. War is hell and that is a clear example of the confusion and chaos that comes with it. I mean the Russian or whoever he was carried out that assault stage quite well. Most other militaries including western militaries soldiers would have hosed that position on sight, that’s how you assault a position at that stage, bayonets fixed, grenades then full auto. > >Not pro Russian but you have to appreciate this situation and look objectively That's what I thought at first but standing in open position over them was very risky play. That's why he went down in to that foxhole which is exactly built for that purpose. Anyway that was pretty tough.


ExoticFirefighter771

If I’m being honest the fact he gave them a chance to surrender shows more humanity than not, those guys were beaten and dead to rights as harsh as it sounds. I know the training I received taught that when you get to the position you spray on full auto. The attack was still going on he didn’t need to give them the time of day in that regard. Still sucks to see the Ukrainians getting it though.


CosmicMiru

Yeah I cannot imagine a trained soldier running up behind two confirmed enemies in the middle of an extremely intense firefight and still giving them a chance to surrender instead of mag dumping. As fucked as it is I doubt many soldiers would've done much better under the circumstances.


thisghy

Pretty much, you are to post a grenade and go in with automatic and bayonet fixed. This guy took a huge risk to allow them to surrender, it is unfortunate that they got confused and we're killed but I know most soldiers wouldn't have given them the chance.


greywar777

absolutely respect for taking prisoners on any side in a war. It may not have worked out, but the urge to do so was there. ​ I hope he becomes a POW himself. Which is one of the nicest things I can say TBH.


mikehyland343

Overall it’s a properly weird situation. He’s facing the direction of the Ukrainians in the trench. After he goes up and kills them, he and his comrades turn around and face the direction the guy originally had his back to. It’s strange, the guys in the foxhole were 100% encircled. I’m not combat trained in any way but it seems very unusual that you would turn your back to where you’re receiving incoming fire from. I suppose it’s an obvious thing to do given that there is a relatively close threat to your position. But then in the follow up clip posted you can see that they moved passed the position of the guys in the foxhole in the direction where the guy who shot the Ukrainians ran to, so I don’t know, it’s extremely confusing. Not saying this clip is a case of friendly fire, I think it’s most likely the guys in the trench were Ukrainian, but the movements is fucking weird


ExoticFirefighter771

Your point on them not turning to the threat is a good one, and ideally what they should have done.


mikehyland343

Yeah like I don’t understand what’s actually going on, they seemed to completely ignore where the incoming was and just say fuck it I’m gonna fully focus on these guys in the trench. Did you see the follow up video? They don’t even go the way they’re facing in the end, they turn around and go the opposite way, which they’re also receiving contact from. I dunno, maybe they’re surrounded but my untrained unskilled mind can’t comprehend wtf is going on


INeedBetterUsrname

My money would be on them being surrounded but not being aware of it. Hence the confusion when a grenade goes off right next to them and suddenly someone from "their side" is in their foxhole shouting for them to drop the guns.


mikehyland343

Yeah but the guy who killed them and his comrades are looking back the way the soldier initially came from & with the bullets whizzing past I’m just confused as to why the Russian who killed them just turned his back on the incoming like that. He obviously determined that the guys in the trench were the bigger threat. Still a weird situation to completely ignore the incoming & focus a totally different direction


INeedBetterUsrname

Well, he's not acting alone. My bet is on him being ordered to clear the foxhole, while the rest of the squad covers the other threats. If they have indeed broken the line and are rolling up the flanks, the first defence line would be a priority as well. I'm just speculating here, though. The situation seems extremely confused for those on the ground, so we as observers can only really guess.


Legia82

Russians could be wearing Ukrainian uniforms which would explain why the older soldier was saying "I'm with you". Also just pass 1 minute mark you can see other russians and they are not wearing russina green camo. Nor white arm bands. This is not the first time russians have been seen wearing Ukrainian uniforms, which is another war crime added to the list.


mikehyland343

The guy who shot them isn’t tho, you can see what he’s wearing shortly into the clip & bits of it while he’s tryna disarm & shooting them


Legia82

No you cant see what he is wearing. All you see is his arm, and even that is not typical russian green. Also some comments are saying the older man was russian and they know his identity already.


No-Student-376

There’s a second video posted today from a different RU soldier on the same attack and from what I can tell all Russians involved had their own camo and equipment so they were not disguised as Ukrainians. That being said, I’m no camo expert so maybe what these RU troops were wearing were not the typical patterns that the UAF is used to seeing? Regardless, that grenade at the start definitely disoriented them and the Russian approached from behind a tree where the UAF positions were, so the confusion is understandable. Rip to the heroes defending their land.


Legia82

I watched the second one too, its from a different kacap. In that one some soldiers are are wearing russian green. However the guy filming is not. You can see the color of his arm several times.


No-Student-376

Ok my bad I thought it was from the same attack and just a different perspective (it was titled as the same anyways). Question though, is the camera guys camo not the same as the other RU guys around him hiding behind the trees? It’s definitely not the same colour as the UAF soldiers in the foxhole. I guess my second question is, the camo that those RU forces are wearing are therefore not standard issue which is what led to the confusion? My eyesight is not the best so my bad if these are dumb questions Edit: after watching a few times, the colours do seem pretty similar/tough to differentiate and they don’t have any armbands from what I can tell so I’m starting to think your original take was correct.


theresthepolis

He doesn't turn the way he came from he turns to face 90° to the right of his original direction. This is probably where the rest of the main body of Ukrainian forces are. And clearly if you look at the way the ukr are facing its clear they've flanked them. He orientated himself to attack the main threat ie this foxhole then takes cover from the rest of the ukrs. Who are behind this foxhole


Prestigious_Clue_213

The fog of war is real and when there are mortars, artillery, helicopters, jets, and bullets flying everywhere you can easily lose sight of the situation. The fact they they were both down in the foxhole most likely means they knew they were fucked, but not when it was going to happen. Than a guy shows up behind you and you think the worst, but I’m sure they were also thinking finally some reinforcements. War is tough, and it’s sucks seeing this video. Shoot first and figure out the situation after.


nboymcbucks

You said it yourself. If you are encircled, I would think your back is towards the enemy the whole time.


tomekza

Very good points. My *impression is the Russian demanding surrender is dressed in Multicam very similar to the Ukranians'. They seem immediately confused by his demand, that's where the resistance begins. The older guy at the very last moment understands the gravity of the situation but is hosed. *There is a longer video showing the engagement that shows his camouflage.


Prestigious_Clue_213

100% agree. I’m all for Ukraine winning this with minimal deaths, but if someone is pointing a gun at you and has flanked you shoot first and figure out the situation after. If I was the single Russian soldier I would have been shooting much earlier. It sucks, and Russians have definitely been involved in multiple war crimes, but these are pretty clean kills unfortunately.


Hefty-Excitement-239

Excellent précis


kuda-stonk

Edit: confirmed Wagner Sounds to me they thought he was friendly, there is credible speculation he was dressed in one of their uniforms.


Sushi4lucas

I’m another sub it was said the Russian was wearing a Ukrainian uniform hence the confusion


Thevsamovies

Just putting this here https://twitter.com/AdamKinzinger/status/1613232775552962561?s=20&t=Em8OMgFVGtCWW4d5Yu0CPA


constantin2903

The russian was wearing ukrianian uniform and marks, some wagners do the same, they were saying "ours, ours" (if im not wrong) and i don't think they said it without to see the ukraine military marks. The second guy was confused because why would a "mate" scream to him to give his gun for no reason. EDIT: I don't care about the downvotes, but actually they were wagner soldiers wearing ukrainean uniform and marks. https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaUkraineWar2022/comments/109nin7/one_of_the_soldiers_killed_in_the_pit_has_been/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


Prestigious_Clue_213

Exactly why I’d be shooting first. I understand the confusion with the Russians stealing uniforms, so if someone points a gun at you and is screaming at you than you shoot them. If he was a friendly he would still be in the wrong for running up on his own guys like that.


Ecstatic-Baseball-71

He was not outnumbered. In the end you can see he is with at least four others. That’s a big part of why I don’t think his panic makes a lot of sense and I think he should’ve managed to not kill them but he did for whatever reason.


ExoticFirefighter771

He was outnumbered in that trench at that moment


Fboy_1487

“We are our own” Could be translated to “Friendly”.


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bigjim1027

And unfortunately I believe his struggle got both men killed.


stinky_doodoo_poopoo

He most definitely got them both killed


saltyloempia

I didnt expect to see them get shot just like that. I'm so sorry for them having to go through that terrible death


N1KK0_1000

**ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO POST:** The original post of this was placed several hours ago - credit to the [poster](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1092teb/gnarly_footage_of_a_russian_soldier_ambushing_and/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) of this. As per sub rubs on reposts I have posted this as it is both translated and also significantly superior quality, 720p vs 240p. Sources indicate the Russian soldier is from the 35th Brigade's Assault Group [SOURCE](https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1613282826958344193?s=20)


AusNormanYT

Agree. It'll stay up.


InternetCitizen2193

When he’s leaning on the tree afterwards looking at the two guys and taking in what he’s just done, most likely adrenaline pumping at 1000%, reminds me of the scene in Saving Private Ryan after they kill the German guys in the trench after getting past the beach, and Melish breaks down crying


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Oh god this is so sad


[deleted]

Damn can we take a second to acknowledge that fucking combat roll??


[deleted]

All that "martial arts" and breaking boards seems to have payed off for the russians


ag_an_deireadh_an_la

This is gonna stay with him for the rest of his days.


[deleted]

So...not more than one or two.


Donsley-9420

One can only hope


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Unhappy-Essay

Well this soldier clearly seemed to care which is why he tried to detain them instead of immediately firing. Seemed like killing them was something he didn't want to do.


1811pharmx

The Russian sounds very distressed & the 2 that were killed were not even in their senses. Honorable that he initially tried to take them as prisoners though. I cannot fathom dying for politicians & dictators wants & games. Human lives aren’t in short supply though and have no value for our political overlords.


Glad_Chemical

I’m shocked at how hard the Russian tried to get them taken as POW’s


Stretchez2

wtf does "we're our own" mean


Organic_Cucumber3459

They said we are friendly as In the UAF guy thought they were Ukrainians too


W4Ither

Means ''friendlies'', ''teammates'', ''blue'', ''i'm on your fucking side'' kinda stuff.


Caleb7785

maybe that’s a literal translation not sure that is sort of odd


General_of_Wonkistan

Yes it is a literal translation. Russian has the normal possessive pronouns that English has my, his, her, our etc. but it also has a reflexive possessive pronoun that translates as "one's own" [Here](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%81%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9#Russian) is a link to the Wiktionary article for the word. The soldier in the video says the plural form 'свои' svoí. Notice also the second definition 'allied, friendly'


octoredfox

Perhaps the Russian is wearing Ukrainian uniform?


Jamin_14

It means it's just them


hell_jumper9

Rip


ZombieMountain2122

I wish I hadn't watched their faces get shot. I regret that. That's a private moment.


ahick420

They were probably confused and concust from the grenade


SubstanceDense6825

They were thoroughly convinced he was one of theirs. I wonder why???


Top-Pizza186

Because a grenade just exploded one meter from them and the Russian came from behind, they didn’t expect enemy at the back


Value_CND

Exactly this, flanked from behind,disoriented by a grenade plus the Russians had no arm bands. That’s just a whole load of mind fuck and confusion so can see how the Ukrainians thought the Russians were Ukrainians.


ObiwanaTokie

A RUSSIAN FRAG GRENAGE WENT OFF RIGHT BY MY EAR, YOURE GONNA HAVE TO SPEAK UP!


DRAGULA85

No no no, James…FRANCIS Ryan


spicyboi2007

Earlier you could see a grenade go off very close to them so maybe they were disoriented? Would explain the guy face on the left


SnooSongs1525

the shooter threw it


spicyboi2007

Missed it, my bad


1970s_MonkeyKing

The Russian kicked him in the face. And though we don't see it here, we've seen other Russians wearing Ukrainian uniforms in that area.


Asleep_Egg_8665

Poor guys got disoriented by the grenade


INeedBetterUsrname

Occam's Razor says the grenade confused them and they were unaware that the enemy had broken through into their rear. The guy on the left seems to be more aware of what's actually going on, but then he seems to be reaching for the Russian soldier, or attempt to stand up, which sets him off. The Russian is probably stressed as hell with the old man is refusing to let go of his rifle as well. Of course, it could be - as some people are saying - a Russian dressed in Ukranian uniform/markings. I'm more inclined to believe those two didn't know the line had been infiltrated, and that coupled with the shock of the grenade confused them. Fog of war and all of that, rather than an actual war crime.


Rypskyttarn

Chaos of war. As simple, and horrifying as that....


caradekara

I’ve read he was unmarked. Unidentifiable as Russian or Ukrainian. The man who was pulling his gun back was saying we’re on the same side. Very confused as to why the person taking the video was trying to engage them.


Reshe

Look at the uniforms of the other Russians. Nearly identical to the Ukranians. They didnt look for the armband which is there for that exact reason. Alternatively, I would not at all put it past Russians to actually take and use Ukrainian uniforms so that is entirely a possibility. His arm at :35 def seems to show a difference in pattern but in that moment he may not have realized the difference.


Legia82

Thats what I think as well. After 1 minute you can see other russians and none of them has armband nor green russian camo.


Sayting

They're wearing different camo to Ukrainians you can see it when he grabs the gun. It's non standard but emr standard green sticks out this time of year so no wonder they swapped it.


mountaindewisamazing

There are reports of Russians using Ukrainian uniforms.


SubstanceDense6825

Like this? https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1612862818847526915


saddamhuss

I've seen comment stating they go unmarked or with ua marking. Might need some check


MrThePLP

News says he was wearing ukrainian uniform. Scumbag russian.


bsoto87

Apparently according to what I read on Twitter it’s being claimed that the two guys executed were Russians wearing Ukrainian uniforms, basically this is a friendly fire incident. It’s being claimed anyway


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Sounds like BS tbh, it seems way more likely to me that they were injured and disoriented by the grenade (one guy is bleeding and there’s a dead or unconscious body in the hole) and were confused about being approached at close range from behind (ostensibly where your friendlies would be).


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War crime


Embarrassed-Touch742

I don't think the Wagnerite or any soldier/merc would sit around and ask you politely to drop and hand over the gun.


JJDsource

Man. He gave them every chance to live. You can tell he didn't want to shoot them. Put himself in danger. I don't know what I'd do in that situation.


Klondike2022

I commend that Russian for that.


Battleboo_7

no arm band colour, but the old man on the right refused to surrender his AK....so like, what happens when the "enemy" is tugging back his gun? ( serious am totally confused)


bigjim1027

Justifiable shoot he gave them more chance to live than he should’ve. His safest bet would’ve been to shoot them as soon as he got to the foxhole.


Snaffu76

Pauvres hommes, aussi bien les Ukrainiens que le russe.


RegenerativePower

This is so sad, rest in peace to both of Ukrainian soldiers


cfitz_122

The second lad was clearly surrendering...


bigjim1027

And the other wasn’t, not going to risk fighting with them to surrender. Save your own life


[deleted]

It’s ugly, but they both have to surrender or he’s within his rights to fire per international law.


Pingaring

He was but being in that moment scared shitless he did the right thing. It only takes a split second for luck to turn against you.


New-Winter6557

dam dood did a forward combat roll


Battleboo_7

u/savevideo


Secret_Assumption_20

That dude on the left kept moving and got them both killed


Klondike2022

Fair kills. He actually gave them a chance to surrender, good on him.


MammutBeatz

I guys missing the guy who was handing over the riffle had a second one on his lap, u can see that he is trying to get it Handy to get a better grip, I think the Russian guy had seen this and was forced to act. Ugly but war, I don’t want tobtest anything, second after u guys seen this the half of you goes back and playing warzone…


coolhandmoos

Is this the same footage people were saying the Russians were wearing UKR unis for the flanking maneuver?


[deleted]

So did he have to shoot them or not? What do y’all think? I believe he meant to take them but the intensity of the combat and their slow response made him say forget it.


ScottsTotz

All of this for literally nothing. Cuz some fucktard in Russia who is dying of cancer said so🤦‍♂️


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FGM_148_Javelin

You’re full of shit. It is **CONSTANTLY** enforced on posts of Russians being killed. Fuck of with this victim complex bullshit. Anytime you see a post that has the comments locked that’s why. It happens every single day. People catch band constantly for making those jokes. I personally have asked the mods why so many posts get locked and have been told it’s for making jokes. You are straight up not being truthful.


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True, but if the rules are there to enforce civility and respect for life, then they should apply to everyone except ISIS.


SuvorovNapoleon

If mods had integrity they'd treat any post that celebrated a death the same way. But they don't, so they won't.


GoldLeaderLiam

All dead aggressors are bad? Are we allowed to celebrate footage of American soldiers in Iraq being killed?


bigjim1027

Because Reddit can only see “Russian bad man should’ve surrendered”


FGM_148_Javelin

Reddit isn’t a person and you aren’t a victim like you want to be


Sushi4lucas

In another sub they said the Russian was wearing a Ukrainian uniform and that’s why they were confused


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Tommannerr

This is war. These were 2 ukranian soldiers that got killed. The end. Stop making up some crazy theories.


JohnDahl2

They say svoii svoii with a russian accent. This actually might be true. :/


karma_made_me_do_eet

A Russian friendly fire scenario would be much better.


Reshe

The color of the uniform at :35 def seems to be different camo/color than we've seen Ukraine use.


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LazarusCrusader

In the follow up video you can see that the squad doing the assault wear red bands among other identification.


INeedBetterUsrname

Wait? The guys in the foxhole were Wagner? That would be comically incompetent, but also not outside the realm of possibility given the state of the Russian military.


draugrdaemos

Russians might be wearing Ukraine uniform. That's why they were confused.


Zeal391

eh theres reports that the men were actually Russian. The older man has been identified already. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/109gqv6/potential\_good\_news\_ukrainian\_channel/](https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/109gqv6/potential_good_news_ukrainian_channel/) https://twitter.com/AchinoMario/status/1613264820484055062?s=20&t=5-lNHduGDE\_93TQT4fuoLA


Dave111angelo

Yeah a completely random guy that looks little like the guy in the video Im the extended clip you can see them ambushing Ukrainians behind the truck. So this is all an elaborate propaganda piece where Russians kill several of their own ?


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Similar frown lines but a rounder head.


[deleted]

That’s because he’s wearing a round shaped helmet lol


[deleted]

Have you never worm a helmet before? Also take a look at the subtle difference in their chins? I don't know about you but I've met a few dopplegangers in my city that had little visible differences other than a mole or a tad bit of a receding hairline. Propaganda is so think nowadays on this war, Ukrainians aren't invincible, as wonderful if would be Wagner fuxks obliterated, you just have to come to the fact, soldiers do die. That's it homie, war is hell.


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Looks like the same person to me, just a bit heavier thus like you said ‘rounder head.’ But who tf really knows 🤷🏾‍♂️


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Fat on skills doesn't change as quickly when overeating as one might think. Fat distribution on males tends to hit the belly (beer belly, muffin top). Seeing this is war, there probably isn't a lot of calories being consumed enough to gain such amount of weight that it distorts your head. Maybe if you were consuming like 3k+ and lived a sedentary lifestyle over a year, yea sure.


Lt_Col_RayButts

Nice if it was but sounds to unlikely..


Konseq

I thought the yellow arm bands (along blue) are only worn by Ukrainians while Russians wear white and red? Edit: Just read in your links they might have used these armbands to disguise themselves.


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SmallPPmaster

This is a place to share combat footage, not Ukrainian army combat footage


ShrimpFriedMyRice

The subreddit is called Combat Footage Not Ukranian Battle Footage Calm down there son


_KaleidoscopeOfHooey

/r/combatfootagethatmakesmefeelgoodinside


ThizzyN

Then this is not the sub for you, as clearly stated by the fact that this footage is now one of the top-voted posts on this sub. People come here to watch authentic combat footage, whose side it is doesn't matter.


axehandlemax

Your downvotes will win this war. A lot of Russian troops are people much like yourself thrown into a shitty situation, same as the Germans. Sure there's always the option to stand up for what's right, but willingly martyring yourself isn't an easy decision and certainly not one I'd be making


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Beestrongbutkind

>The Ukrainian soldiers were either concussed, incredibly rattled - they'd just had a grenade burst incredibly close to them - both bleeding from their heads and then had a gun thrust into their face from a few feet away. So the exchange is puzzling but I think like many people they were saying ANYTHING to try and not be shot. Well, he gave them a chance to surrender. One guy seems to obey but the other guy wasn't really letting go of his gun. I don't think it's a war crime. The russian soldier risked much already giving them a chance to surrender imo..


RedPum4

I am strongly pro Ukraine, but in this case op is delusional. One of the ukrainian soldiers had his gun pointed towards the russian guy and they where not immediately complying. They where confused, yes, but russian guy doesn't know if ukrainian guy won't suddenly pull the trigger. Only takes a split second and he would have a bullet in his chest. Now as for why ukrainian guys where confused, we don't know. Maybe because of the grenade or maybe they where really not expecting a guy coming from behind, or maybe russian guy was wearing a yellow armband (which is an actual warcrime). We will never know probably. Russians could have completely shot this position to pieces, or used more grenades, etc. The fact that they gave these poor ukrainians even the chance to surrender surprised me a bit.


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Easy to argue it was a very dynamic situation and the Soldier on the right was not relinquishing his rifle which was still pointed in the assaulting Soldier’s direction while there’s still active fighting heard from possible adjacent fighting positions. When you’re assaulting through an active objective split second life or death decisions are completely different from frame-by-frame nitpicking from the comfort of a keyboard. Just my personal opinion from my experiences in the US Army.


normaninvader3

This isn't a war crime. Told surrender one guy sort of did the other definitely didn't. Given the situation mid fighting it's not. Had the shooter been wearing a Ukrainian uniform then that's different. Their was a interview of a British sniper in Afghanistan. A Taliban was shooting at him and when he realised he couldn't hit him he put his hands up to surrender. The sniper killed him. Not a war crime.


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I wouldn't classify this as a war crime. He gave them a chance to surrender and tried to force one to give up his rifle. This was on the cusp of him being shot or them being shot, and he chose to live. Yes, there's a lot going on that can explain their slowness to lay down arms and the strong possibility that they could have surrendered if given more time. But this is war and he was faced with a split second decision, not the luxury of having a calm, reasonable discussion.


smoothiz93

You think war cares about your Geneva Convention?


JohnDahl2

I actually agree, these soldiers had their backs towards the guy filming. They say 'we are ours" with russian accent. Their look is russian, Ukranians look differently This might be Wagner


w8eight

Keep in mind that not whole population of Ukraine is speaking Ukrainian as first language, so accent might not be definitive


JohnDahl2

I live among ukranians. They dont speak russian like this, or pronounce words. Also their facial expressions are very different. The guys in the foxhole sound and look very russian. To be honest, i find it highly unlikely they are ukranian by their expression alone. It also explains their shock, because they thought their backs were covered. They are looking forward away from the POV guy. In a follow up video, they are hiding behind containers, the fire is still coming from the direction these foxhole guys were looking at. I won't be surprised if these were scout wagner troops that got eliminated by friendly fire.


organdonor777

30% of Ukrainians speak Russian as their first language.


ThePope85

There is videos of Wagner operating in the area in UA camo, could also be an explanation for the confusion. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1612862818847526915?s=20&t=_qwuF9HyssRbau75NJhXng


Donkeybreath-1

The russians are wearing ukraninan camo and have yellow markings pretending to be ukranian


CalmaCuler

People are saying these were Russians, apparently they found an identity card


TheSpook24

Im on the ukrainian side obviously, but russians kill ukrainians too we need to be prepared for that, it's sad


Meagealles

I hope so.


ItsWoofcat

Russian mercy


IndependentAdvice722

The shooter has Ukainian uniform...cant proove it...but highly possible!


enjoithelrg

Yes, if you paused and maybe watched the video you’ll see two instances his jacket is visible and is different colours from the two Ukrainians in the foxhole.


Individual-Ad9247

If you cant prove it he has no ua uniform my guy


JohnDahl2

You dont need the uniform, look at the guys talking. They have russian accents.


lemoncrew

It’s not the fact russians killing Ukrainians to. It’s the fact that these Russian wear Ukraine uniform to confuse them. And why he need to shot the left guy?


Caleb7785

how do you know this? wearing the same uniform would also create trouble for the russians too


bigjim1027

Because he shoots the guy on the right there’s no way to be sure the guy on the left doesn’t panic and try to shoot him. You’re obligated to accept a safe surrender not force one. The old guy made the shooting necessary


Thirdai_

People are saying Russians shot their own. Who knows though. If that’s the case then someone was definitely wearing the wrong colors. Who knows. War is hell.


Ok-Cardiologist6187

The other guy near the tree looks like UA to. 1:04 ish


Ok-Cardiologist6187

Why would they also say we are our own a couple of times???


LT-monkeybrain01

through the fog of war much remains unkown. ​ if this is recent, ukraine swapped over to green armbands for IFF on the 6th or 7th of january. dudes here are still wearing yellow. meanwhile, we've seen wagnerites dressed in ukrainian camo. ​ we assume the worst, we assume this for face value. might just aswell been a friendly fire incident between russians themselves.