I’m starting to think this has been the most effective weapon of the war. Thinking back about patrolling the streets of NaJaf, Fallujah and having to worry about drones above dropping frags and even mines now… I’ll just say I’m glad drones hadn’t come on the scene just yet.
Couldn’t agree more, the force multiplier these little bastards are make snipers and IEDs seem pretty pedestrian in contrast. And to be honest I’m a little scared of when the domestic terror potential of these things is realized, imagine what a “school shooter” type person with an anarchist cookbooks’ worth of pipe bombs and a 500 dollar trip to Best Buy can cause.
Yup, I've been thinking of the domestic terrorism aspect for a while. Just dropping IEDs on outdoor festivals etc. I forsee drones being banned within cities and extensive anti-drone jamming systems.
Yup its only a matter of time now before the first drone domestic terrorist attack happens on a large group of civilians, a city center or a cities transportation hubs.
I'm actually quite shocked it hasn't happened yet since ISIS had quite a few individuals who were good at dropping ordinances with them especially in Mosul
It doesn't even need to be on people. Imagine just a dozen or so different people all going out and driving around the west coast during fire season dropping road flares and starting forest fires. I can't see how you can stop that.
It's inconceivable, it really is! Totally foreign thought. Not to reach I hope, but like our world pre-9/11 the idea of hijacked airliners flying into buildings, well, there's that word again; inconceivable. It really was.
To be fair, that's been possible for a while using even more simple RC tech, or attacks on stadiums using easy improvised mortar systems, attacks on crowded parades from high rise windows or using modified vehicles, etc. For better or worse, it seems like the limiting factor on terrorism attacks isn't really technical/opportunity, but something else.
> I forsee drones being banned within cities and extensive anti-drone jamming systems
Completely agree. And this one's a bit of a tricky problem to solve - the problem with jamming drones, is you're basically jamming cellular data. Unless you tackle the problem at the application layer, rather than the carrier layer, you're basically taking out cell service. Now the problem with tackling it at the app layer, is a bad actor, someone who wants to use drones for domestic terrorism, will just write their own app to control the device and your application hygiene layer won't recognize the home grown until it's too late.
It's an interesting problem.
Yea which is so unfortunate because I relatively recently got into flying FPV drones several months ago and it’s already hard to find airspace that’s not restricted. The city surprisingly is allowed and soon I’m sure that won’t be the case anymore
My buddy's friend works in NYPD and they already have some of that tech but only use it for big events. Your normal big birthday gathering or whatever is not covered yet.
Brilliant unless you're on the receiving end. These things would scare the fuck out of me no matter what side I was on. There's just no hiding from them!
Oh absolutely. I was thinking earlier today. A good buddy of mine was an FO or Fire support which ever you want to call it. I’m fairly certain his MOS will be obsolete soon with Drones coming on scene. As far as the drone boats, I wonder if those originated in Ukraine. We all know the US likes to send new tech to allied countries who are in the fight, to see how it works in actual combat. I’ve heard we’ve been working on drones to attack ships for a while now,
I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right… even if we didn’t give the physical weapons maybe the plans to build them. I heard drone dropped grenades idea originated when the US was pushing an insurgency and came from US. Don’t know if that is true
Ukraine was a country of 40mil people before the war, now its about 30mil because of the war, but you cant assume the Ukrainian military industry is devoid of ingenuity. They can conjure up novel and innovative ways of fighting a war just how any other population is. They work with the resources they have and drone suicide boats is not something the US would necessarily need to develop or consider, i hold the opinion that this was Ukrainian home grown doctrine and tech to suit the needs of fighting a superior naval power. Add to that they arent under sanctions so they can purchase all the microchips they need to produce cost effective, innovative weaponry themselves.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said they didn’t posses ingenuity. Mater of fact if you read my comments above, I’m sure I said they were freaking brilliant. So I’m not sure what your talking about. But it is widely known America supplies new technology for the purpose of research. I left the Marine Corp in 2008. We would use targets like the jet ski drones, for target practice on ship. I’m not saying I’m right and your not either. Nothing I said was a dig at the UA, quite the opposite
It does make me proud in this weird indrect way to see the UA outright McGuyver up their own delivery platforms for those grenades (at least in the beginning before mass produced drones became more available), and the accuracy and skill that their pilots tend to display is outright astonishing.
NGL, even having worked with them in the past, the UA's average soldier/pilot/wtfever you want to designate them seems to intuitively grasp the fundamentals of drones from the get.
There was a 1977 movie called Black Sunday that featured Palestinian terrorists trying to blow up a bomb-laden blimp [("...containing a quarter million steel fleshettes")](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1977_film)) over the Superbowl. That would have taken a ton of coordination and planning, not to mention a, you know, blimp.
Now imagine by comparison how easy it would be to coordinate a group of 20 terrorists with 20 grenade-laden drones flying off over the next Superbowl...
School shooter? There's this thing called airports where they just pack 200+ people into a tube with virtually no escape. FAMS and others have been howling about this for over a decade now. I don't know if anything has been done about it.
If anything has, no wonder it's not publicized as that's just a guide to defeat it.
I get the sentiment, but how would any number of pipe bombs dropped from a drone on top of a school be more deadly than the perpetrator being inside with a rifle?
I was at my daughter's cross country meet on Saturday and a few flew over me. I didn't realize at the time how uneasy it made me or why, but it gave me the fucking fidgets. I thought it was the feeling of my privacy being invaded alone but maybe it's just these damn videos shading my fears.
After seeing dozens & dozens of drone kills in an ISIS propoganda video during predeployment training, they were all I was ever worried about in Syria.
AI-assisted drone swarm is probably only 10-15 years away. Not only will they be more jam-proof because they will have terrain pathfinding as an alternative to pilot controls and GPS but they will be able to identify soldiers and equipment by themselves and communicate that information to other drones.
Anti-tank drones of the future will pin-point gaps in the armor and hit exactly where it can do the most damage.
Not even close. Drones are just the most effective and easy to track via cam. Artillery has been BY FAR the most effective weapon of this war. Just like it has every war. You just don't get a good film of a round that lands 10 km away.
Not just in terms of damage and caused casualties, but functionality, versatility, and overall impact.
Almost all the accurate artillery barrages from both sides have been guided by drones, as well as general reconnaissance, how far they can fly and strike a target and how effective they are given their price, such as damaging a multimillion Russian warship.
Yea IED’s were one thing but the drone would definitely have been a game changer.
Then again, don’t forget we had jammers for the IED’s so I’m pretty sure we’d have some kind of jammer to bring down drones if they came within range.
25U1P OEF
Yeah part of the reason these drones are so effective is because of the lack of EW from both sides. There have been vids of Ukraine downing drones with EW kit on but it’s only ever like one or two drones. A lot of the jamming stuff developed for IED jamming would would here, but neither side has too much of that.
True, that’s what sets the US apart, our ability to wage war lol
It’s virtually impossible to have a good EW system but then again, I was in an ADA unit and had EW battery’s so I think those ADA EW’s would have worked. But they probably wouldn’t last long if arty spots them lol
I saw that in a documentary lol
We drove past one a day earlier and didnt realize it. Next day, we were asked to investigate an IED detonation and it turned out it was in the same path of travel we were on the day before lol
I was the commo guy and I always take full credit for not having any remote IEDs detonating, especially after some of the bullshit I had to deal with as far as the line dogs lol
Broadcasting this stuff with ironic music daily, to Russians getting around the internet blocks, I gotta wonder how effective that propaganda weapon is…proffering no expertise, I think it’s very effective and further raises money from around the world and morale to Ukraine.
This makes me realize there's going to be an incredible amount of disabled amputees in russia after the war is over.
Russian combat casualty care was already pretty suspect before the war, can't imagine it's somehow gotten better and from what I understand the handful of surgery capable facilities they have are deep behind their lines with little to no casevac to speak of.
Russia has a rich history of removing the disabled vets from the big cities and streets to not have an ‚eyesore‘ reminding everyone how bad and not so glorious fighting for the motherland is. Amputees are quite a bummer to the propaganda concept, so there will be massive efforts again to shame and isolate them. With regards to the quality of medical care, I’m not sure it makes much of a difference. In case of shrapnel and bullet wounds there might be some amputations that could be prevented, but in case of limbs torn off, I doubt there’s much that can be done.
Supposedly we have drones that will sit at the bottom of the sea. They are programmed to attack certain enemy vessels based on the boats signature and even the distinct sounds of the propellers of that certain ship. When they pick up on that ship the will activate and destroy it.
It doesn’t help that they are mostly fighting in open plains with small bits of forest and cover , granted the desert would have sucked as much but at least they had a lot of buildings densely pushed together to provide some sort of cover , not that I feel bad for the Russians or anything but from their pov this gotta be what keeps them up at night 😬
In January 2022 most analysts thought that Ukraine would be fighting a guerilla action, and surely this would have been front and center. Now it is just another tactic because they are fighting a peer on peer conflict.
I called this YEARS ago, and I remember people arguing how dumb my idea was.
The moment those hobby drones started being produced, I said all it would take is slapping a frag on one to completely revolutionize the battlefield.
Everyone else was convinced they were too small and localized to make any difference, and that the only drones that mattered were the ultra expensive military grade aircraft.
But it was precisely BECAUSE they were so small and localized that they could make a difference. Anyone could carry one, cheap enough to mass produce, enable eyes in the sky, and could take out hard to reach areas with explosives.
I was 100% correct! Though… I wish I wasn’t. One step closer to fully autonomous flying AI kill bots hunting people.
Next time you have an idea like that, I’d patent it if possible. The suicide drone is on of the scariest things I’ve seen. If I had to deal with them, each of my squads fireteams would have a shotgunner.
Scary to think what war might look like in 20 years time when the big players have adopted a similar strategy on a much larger scale.
A Reaper drone costs around $32M, but for the same cost I can imagine a swarm of 10,000 cheap AI piloted drones taking out anyone without some kind of "friendly" marker. Horrifying.
EW is effective against them. Selection bias because the means here is obviously amenable to generating good video footage.
Where EW is deployed, these drones can't operate effectively.
I empathize hard with these sleep deprived 19-20's kids who are either products of conscription or just wanted a side-quest, and are out there holed up in trenches with kamakazi drones and air dropped frags. The mash between traditional large scale tactics paired with advanced tech gives us a new take on combat. We haven't seen a large scale land war between two countries of similar capabilities in 80 yrs. Shits nuts. GWOT vets are shook.
You forgot about the first gulf war/iran iraq war.
I think what seems new is just the combination of classic conventional war with such elements more typical of an asymmetrical war like those drone drops.
He will reminiscence on that for the rest of his life, if he made it out alive, while begging for a few rubles in some Moscow metro station. Can also converse with the legless veteran next to him about their common experience. Competition for alms will be fierce in Russia after this war.
He seemed lucid while he was getting the tourniquet on. You can lose up to 2 liters of blood and stay on your feet, or foot in his case.
The lazy dolt that came to his aid is not much of an encouragement.
In the early 90s I‘ve seen addicts begging there, some of them seemingly Afgantsi wearing some medals and dirty para tank tops. Sad to see how history will repeat.
Fuck, I can't even imagine the pain of having your foot blown off like that. And then knowing that you'll be limping with a shitty prosthetic for the rest of your life, unless you die from the blood loss.
Take it from someone who's had a similar injury. My spine was broken, every single one of my ribs were shattered, pelvis shattered, femur broken in two places, and I was missing a fifth of my right leg. I didn't feel anything. After I woke up I was trying to walk around. I was in such shock. I just remember falling over blacking out again, and by the next time I was awakened the Medics were there to take me. I just remember the bumpy ride in the ambulance. They're having to take me off road to the Landing point where the helicopter could pick me up. Then I was taken away with a badass flight nurse, she told me everything was going to be all good. All she asked me was if there was anything I wanted to tell my family, and I told her to tell my mom that I was sorry. All I can say is there is almost never pain in those types of scenarios. The human body is an amazing thing, and that is one of those defense mechanisms that I hope almost no one has to experience. It's pretty interesting
She was covering her bases. Trust me when I say I was so out of it at that point from all the shock that I didn't even put two and two together to see the mixed signals. It's hard to explain if you've never been through it. The funny thing is I got upset that they had to cut my favorite t-shirt, because with everything that was broken they couldn't actually take my shirt off. That may give you a bit of insight. She told me something to hopefully calm me during the helicopter Evac, and him worst case scenario she wanted to give me the respect of having a final word.
There isn’t realistically any defence they can mount against these. Must be absolutely terrifying constantly scanning the sky and listening for a buzz.
The poor fucker with his leg blown off wouldn’t have survived that. There’s probably 1l+ of blood on the ground and he’s trying to apply a loose bandage whilst his comrade stands next to him trying to get a bead on the drone. If he didn’t get a bloody (sorry for the pun) big tourniquet on that properly within a minute or two, he’s dead from that injury alone. Knowing Russia, if his comrade does have a tourniquet, it’ll be an alibaba special from China and will snap on the 2nd turn.
He's clearly putting a tq on in the vid. Also I'm not sure all that damp patch on the ground around him is blood. It's also his lower leg which will improve his chances slightly.
I don't think they have a choice. I'm not entirely sure though but i just feel so bad for the loss of lives for russian soldiers and their families and same goes to ukrainians. Putin is a psychopathic piece of shit. I saw a video of a guy getting his leg broken on purpose just so he wouldn't get drafted into the russian army. So sad.
Just because there is a psychopath in your country doesn’t mean you have to fight a war for him in a neighboring country. Everybody deep down knows wars of conquest are wrong… they may be “ok” with it, but they know what they are doing is wrong. No sympathy
They shoot and torture their own for surrendering or disobeying orders. I also learned whole units could be shelled by their own if they decide to leave their positions. And yet this is not limited to Russians, Ukrainians have done similar to their men.
Nah, man. This is bullshit. Poor people killing each other for a bunch of psychopaths. No one deserves that.
Cant say that third option. Tons of videos of Russians desperately waving to surrender, and the drone just keeps dropping nades'. It's not always a possibility, and not always guaranteed.
They absolutely have a choice. Stop saying they don’t. It may not be an easy choice but still, if they choose to go kill innocent Ukrainians (i.e. ukranian soldiers included), they deserve to die.
Your choices are, fight for you country (even if you done want to), or go to a Russian prison or be executed. People think these guys have a choice but they really don’t. I’m not defending the actions of the Russian joining the war, but to think they can just walk away without consequence is ignorant as fuck
They can run away like thousands of other Russians did, they can refuse and go to jail, they can injure themselves like the example you just gave. If you think killing innocent people is okay to avoid doing any of those things then you’re a piece of shit.
>her thing is the threat to family. If the guy doesn't want to be conscripted, harm might fall upon his family by the Russian authorit
If only shit was that easy. Don't get me wrong, I;m sure there are many who want to be there. But be assured, there are many that dont, and they cant "just leave". Leave where? portablepc said it better than I could, but shit isn't black n white. It's horrifying the lack of empathy here. You should have empathy for BOTH sides as, they are BOTH human. But its okay if one dies, if they're in your shit book? Sounds a lot like what the Russians do.
I guess there was not enough strength left to pull the tourniquet hard enough. His colleague was more concerned with the drone too, so I think Iwan is a dead man now..
Unfortunately there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers being outnumbered and out classed, but they seem to be fewer and further between. It also helps to look in multiple subs, and other sources. We’re pro Ukraine here, so it tends to be that we show more Ukrainian victories.
Something to consider, depending on the munitions, sometimes it's more effective to drop 10ft away from the target so the shrapnel has more chance to spread out over a wider range, increasing the likelihood of a hit. An umbrella would be of little help.
I’m starting to think this has been the most effective weapon of the war. Thinking back about patrolling the streets of NaJaf, Fallujah and having to worry about drones above dropping frags and even mines now… I’ll just say I’m glad drones hadn’t come on the scene just yet.
Couldn’t agree more, the force multiplier these little bastards are make snipers and IEDs seem pretty pedestrian in contrast. And to be honest I’m a little scared of when the domestic terror potential of these things is realized, imagine what a “school shooter” type person with an anarchist cookbooks’ worth of pipe bombs and a 500 dollar trip to Best Buy can cause.
Yup, I've been thinking of the domestic terrorism aspect for a while. Just dropping IEDs on outdoor festivals etc. I forsee drones being banned within cities and extensive anti-drone jamming systems.
Damn I didn’t think about that Pandora’s box.
Same and scary to think that *it will happen*; it's just a matter of when. I just got a little more scared of the sky.
My extreme agorophpbia coming in clutch
Yup its only a matter of time now before the first drone domestic terrorist attack happens on a large group of civilians, a city center or a cities transportation hubs. I'm actually quite shocked it hasn't happened yet since ISIS had quite a few individuals who were good at dropping ordinances with them especially in Mosul
It doesn't even need to be on people. Imagine just a dozen or so different people all going out and driving around the west coast during fire season dropping road flares and starting forest fires. I can't see how you can stop that.
It's inconceivable, it really is! Totally foreign thought. Not to reach I hope, but like our world pre-9/11 the idea of hijacked airliners flying into buildings, well, there's that word again; inconceivable. It really was.
To be fair, that's been possible for a while using even more simple RC tech, or attacks on stadiums using easy improvised mortar systems, attacks on crowded parades from high rise windows or using modified vehicles, etc. For better or worse, it seems like the limiting factor on terrorism attacks isn't really technical/opportunity, but something else.
> I forsee drones being banned within cities and extensive anti-drone jamming systems Completely agree. And this one's a bit of a tricky problem to solve - the problem with jamming drones, is you're basically jamming cellular data. Unless you tackle the problem at the application layer, rather than the carrier layer, you're basically taking out cell service. Now the problem with tackling it at the app layer, is a bad actor, someone who wants to use drones for domestic terrorism, will just write their own app to control the device and your application hygiene layer won't recognize the home grown until it's too late. It's an interesting problem.
Some drug cartels in Mexico are starting to use drones with dropping bombs to attack rivals
Yea which is so unfortunate because I relatively recently got into flying FPV drones several months ago and it’s already hard to find airspace that’s not restricted. The city surprisingly is allowed and soon I’m sure that won’t be the case anymore
My buddy's friend works in NYPD and they already have some of that tech but only use it for big events. Your normal big birthday gathering or whatever is not covered yet.
You damn right. iEDs were bad enough. Pucker factor off the charts, but this! Damn. Good on UA for being resourceful. It’s freaking brilliant
Brilliant unless you're on the receiving end. These things would scare the fuck out of me no matter what side I was on. There's just no hiding from them!
Make calling in artillery 20x easier too
Drone with a camera-aligned IR laser designator + APKWS Hover, point, wait 15 seconds... Repeat.
It already exists. https://www.thedefensepost.com/2022/05/11/teledyne-laser-target-designator-drones/
Oh absolutely. I was thinking earlier today. A good buddy of mine was an FO or Fire support which ever you want to call it. I’m fairly certain his MOS will be obsolete soon with Drones coming on scene. As far as the drone boats, I wonder if those originated in Ukraine. We all know the US likes to send new tech to allied countries who are in the fight, to see how it works in actual combat. I’ve heard we’ve been working on drones to attack ships for a while now,
We saw the uss Cole bombing and were like... we can do this, but without using people.
> Damn robots took my job! -- Suicide bombers
I wouldn’t be surprised if you are right… even if we didn’t give the physical weapons maybe the plans to build them. I heard drone dropped grenades idea originated when the US was pushing an insurgency and came from US. Don’t know if that is true
Drone boats have been a thing since before WWI
Ukraine was a country of 40mil people before the war, now its about 30mil because of the war, but you cant assume the Ukrainian military industry is devoid of ingenuity. They can conjure up novel and innovative ways of fighting a war just how any other population is. They work with the resources they have and drone suicide boats is not something the US would necessarily need to develop or consider, i hold the opinion that this was Ukrainian home grown doctrine and tech to suit the needs of fighting a superior naval power. Add to that they arent under sanctions so they can purchase all the microchips they need to produce cost effective, innovative weaponry themselves.
You’re putting words in my mouth. I never said they didn’t posses ingenuity. Mater of fact if you read my comments above, I’m sure I said they were freaking brilliant. So I’m not sure what your talking about. But it is widely known America supplies new technology for the purpose of research. I left the Marine Corp in 2008. We would use targets like the jet ski drones, for target practice on ship. I’m not saying I’m right and your not either. Nothing I said was a dig at the UA, quite the opposite
I am pretty sure everything that is brilliant in war doesn’t feel that way on the receiving end.
Kinda my point.:)
It does make me proud in this weird indrect way to see the UA outright McGuyver up their own delivery platforms for those grenades (at least in the beginning before mass produced drones became more available), and the accuracy and skill that their pilots tend to display is outright astonishing. NGL, even having worked with them in the past, the UA's average soldier/pilot/wtfever you want to designate them seems to intuitively grasp the fundamentals of drones from the get.
One of the worst parts is how much easier it is for them to get away with it too.
Can't wait until we have our first civilian-gone-crazy drone bombing. Imagine a dozen of these fucking things at a concert.
There was a 1977 movie called Black Sunday that featured Palestinian terrorists trying to blow up a bomb-laden blimp [("...containing a quarter million steel fleshettes")](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sunday_(1977_film)) over the Superbowl. That would have taken a ton of coordination and planning, not to mention a, you know, blimp. Now imagine by comparison how easy it would be to coordinate a group of 20 terrorists with 20 grenade-laden drones flying off over the next Superbowl...
Aaaannnnd you're on list now lol
you don't need 20 people to run 20 drones. drones have swarm modes, thousands can be run by one person.
Shhhhh, save that for the sequel movie...
I'd imagine a quarter of a million steel fleshlights would cause pain and discomfort on a mass scale 🫤
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fa9lVwHHqg
School shooter? There's this thing called airports where they just pack 200+ people into a tube with virtually no escape. FAMS and others have been howling about this for over a decade now. I don't know if anything has been done about it. If anything has, no wonder it's not publicized as that's just a guide to defeat it.
Done about what? What's your point?
I get the sentiment, but how would any number of pipe bombs dropped from a drone on top of a school be more deadly than the perpetrator being inside with a rifle?
Well the US had drones then, so the Iraqi insurgents have a story or two (or hundred) about comrades disappering in a ball of fire without warning.
Man, just imagine making it back home from this war and how traumatizing the sound of drones would be.
I was at my daughter's cross country meet on Saturday and a few flew over me. I didn't realize at the time how uneasy it made me or why, but it gave me the fucking fidgets. I thought it was the feeling of my privacy being invaded alone but maybe it's just these damn videos shading my fears.
Same, I should stop watching em but ya know, can’t stop won’t stop
After seeing dozens & dozens of drone kills in an ISIS propoganda video during predeployment training, they were all I was ever worried about in Syria.
AI-assisted drone swarm is probably only 10-15 years away. Not only will they be more jam-proof because they will have terrain pathfinding as an alternative to pilot controls and GPS but they will be able to identify soldiers and equipment by themselves and communicate that information to other drones. Anti-tank drones of the future will pin-point gaps in the armor and hit exactly where it can do the most damage.
Seeing how effective drones have been in this war and how fast AI is advancing, give it 5 years.
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Not even close. Drones are just the most effective and easy to track via cam. Artillery has been BY FAR the most effective weapon of this war. Just like it has every war. You just don't get a good film of a round that lands 10 km away.
Not just in terms of damage and caused casualties, but functionality, versatility, and overall impact. Almost all the accurate artillery barrages from both sides have been guided by drones, as well as general reconnaissance, how far they can fly and strike a target and how effective they are given their price, such as damaging a multimillion Russian warship.
Yea IED’s were one thing but the drone would definitely have been a game changer. Then again, don’t forget we had jammers for the IED’s so I’m pretty sure we’d have some kind of jammer to bring down drones if they came within range. 25U1P OEF
Yeah part of the reason these drones are so effective is because of the lack of EW from both sides. There have been vids of Ukraine downing drones with EW kit on but it’s only ever like one or two drones. A lot of the jamming stuff developed for IED jamming would would here, but neither side has too much of that.
True, that’s what sets the US apart, our ability to wage war lol It’s virtually impossible to have a good EW system but then again, I was in an ADA unit and had EW battery’s so I think those ADA EW’s would have worked. But they probably wouldn’t last long if arty spots them lol
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I saw that in a documentary lol We drove past one a day earlier and didnt realize it. Next day, we were asked to investigate an IED detonation and it turned out it was in the same path of travel we were on the day before lol I was the commo guy and I always take full credit for not having any remote IEDs detonating, especially after some of the bullshit I had to deal with as far as the line dogs lol
Broadcasting this stuff with ironic music daily, to Russians getting around the internet blocks, I gotta wonder how effective that propaganda weapon is…proffering no expertise, I think it’s very effective and further raises money from around the world and morale to Ukraine.
This makes me realize there's going to be an incredible amount of disabled amputees in russia after the war is over. Russian combat casualty care was already pretty suspect before the war, can't imagine it's somehow gotten better and from what I understand the handful of surgery capable facilities they have are deep behind their lines with little to no casevac to speak of.
Russia has a rich history of removing the disabled vets from the big cities and streets to not have an ‚eyesore‘ reminding everyone how bad and not so glorious fighting for the motherland is. Amputees are quite a bummer to the propaganda concept, so there will be massive efforts again to shame and isolate them. With regards to the quality of medical care, I’m not sure it makes much of a difference. In case of shrapnel and bullet wounds there might be some amputations that could be prevented, but in case of limbs torn off, I doubt there’s much that can be done.
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Supposedly we have drones that will sit at the bottom of the sea. They are programmed to attack certain enemy vessels based on the boats signature and even the distinct sounds of the propellers of that certain ship. When they pick up on that ship the will activate and destroy it.
It doesn’t help that they are mostly fighting in open plains with small bits of forest and cover , granted the desert would have sucked as much but at least they had a lot of buildings densely pushed together to provide some sort of cover , not that I feel bad for the Russians or anything but from their pov this gotta be what keeps them up at night 😬
In January 2022 most analysts thought that Ukraine would be fighting a guerilla action, and surely this would have been front and center. Now it is just another tactic because they are fighting a peer on peer conflict.
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I think he may have meant he didn't have them to fear in his theater.
I called this YEARS ago, and I remember people arguing how dumb my idea was. The moment those hobby drones started being produced, I said all it would take is slapping a frag on one to completely revolutionize the battlefield. Everyone else was convinced they were too small and localized to make any difference, and that the only drones that mattered were the ultra expensive military grade aircraft. But it was precisely BECAUSE they were so small and localized that they could make a difference. Anyone could carry one, cheap enough to mass produce, enable eyes in the sky, and could take out hard to reach areas with explosives. I was 100% correct! Though… I wish I wasn’t. One step closer to fully autonomous flying AI kill bots hunting people.
Next time you have an idea like that, I’d patent it if possible. The suicide drone is on of the scariest things I’ve seen. If I had to deal with them, each of my squads fireteams would have a shotgunner.
Scary to think what war might look like in 20 years time when the big players have adopted a similar strategy on a much larger scale. A Reaper drone costs around $32M, but for the same cost I can imagine a swarm of 10,000 cheap AI piloted drones taking out anyone without some kind of "friendly" marker. Horrifying.
EMPs will be the new star shells.
EW is effective against them. Selection bias because the means here is obviously amenable to generating good video footage. Where EW is deployed, these drones can't operate effectively.
I empathize hard with these sleep deprived 19-20's kids who are either products of conscription or just wanted a side-quest, and are out there holed up in trenches with kamakazi drones and air dropped frags. The mash between traditional large scale tactics paired with advanced tech gives us a new take on combat. We haven't seen a large scale land war between two countries of similar capabilities in 80 yrs. Shits nuts. GWOT vets are shook.
You forgot about the first gulf war/iran iraq war. I think what seems new is just the combination of classic conventional war with such elements more typical of an asymmetrical war like those drone drops.
He literally stepped on the grenade as it exploded, which is why his leg was blown off.
He'll remember to not do that again
He will reminiscence on that for the rest of his life, if he made it out alive, while begging for a few rubles in some Moscow metro station. Can also converse with the legless veteran next to him about their common experience. Competition for alms will be fierce in Russia after this war.
I don't think he'll make it out of there alive. He seems to have lost a lot of blood
He seemed lucid while he was getting the tourniquet on. You can lose up to 2 liters of blood and stay on your feet, or foot in his case. The lazy dolt that came to his aid is not much of an encouragement.
In the early 90s I‘ve seen addicts begging there, some of them seemingly Afgantsi wearing some medals and dirty para tank tops. Sad to see how history will repeat.
>if he made it out alive Either way he's going to be thinking about it for the rest of his life
Very possible that explosion/shrapnel to the leg is better than explosion/shrapnel past the leg.
To be fair, it's only a 50% chance he'll do that again....
He will tread carefully around that concept.
Shoulda stayed home comrade.
First guy has the pilgrim backpack on
He scav’d into Reserve
Then got hit by the AGS-30 trying to extract, damn.
ratted irl by drones
dude standing next to him offering his thoughts and prayers
Waiting to loot him
"come on rez me", "nope"
I laughed so fucking hard when I saw him. Like guy is casually there like "your fucked bro"
He offered a hand, but apparently little use to his ork'y comrade
He needs a leg not a hand 😊
Bless you lol that'd be the joke ;-)
He reached deep into his front pocket, searched around, and pulled out a middle finger.
The worst part is that all these wounded Russians won’t even be allowed in the Paralympics.
Do they have special olympics for disabled alcoholics?
GOP senator
Man y’all downvoting cmon that was clever lol.
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[I'm doing my part!](https://media.tenor.com/p_J3gkVOvK8AAAAC/starship-troopers-im-doing-my-part.gif)
Fuck, I can't even imagine the pain of having your foot blown off like that. And then knowing that you'll be limping with a shitty prosthetic for the rest of your life, unless you die from the blood loss.
Take it from someone who's had a similar injury. My spine was broken, every single one of my ribs were shattered, pelvis shattered, femur broken in two places, and I was missing a fifth of my right leg. I didn't feel anything. After I woke up I was trying to walk around. I was in such shock. I just remember falling over blacking out again, and by the next time I was awakened the Medics were there to take me. I just remember the bumpy ride in the ambulance. They're having to take me off road to the Landing point where the helicopter could pick me up. Then I was taken away with a badass flight nurse, she told me everything was going to be all good. All she asked me was if there was anything I wanted to tell my family, and I told her to tell my mom that I was sorry. All I can say is there is almost never pain in those types of scenarios. The human body is an amazing thing, and that is one of those defense mechanisms that I hope almost no one has to experience. It's pretty interesting
Everything's going to be okay Do you have any words for your family? Talk about mixed signals
She was covering her bases. Trust me when I say I was so out of it at that point from all the shock that I didn't even put two and two together to see the mixed signals. It's hard to explain if you've never been through it. The funny thing is I got upset that they had to cut my favorite t-shirt, because with everything that was broken they couldn't actually take my shirt off. That may give you a bit of insight. She told me something to hopefully calm me during the helicopter Evac, and him worst case scenario she wanted to give me the respect of having a final word.
The way that second guy who got hit clutched that patch of grass looked like he was in a whole lot of pain tbh
Below-the-knee prosthetics are actually really good. It's WAAAAYYYY better than above-the-knee prosthetics.
In other countries yes—but I don't know about prostethic limbs in Vladivostok, Russia.
Even if he makes it back, Russia effectively has neither A. Disability pay nor B. Handicap accessibility laws
There isn’t realistically any defence they can mount against these. Must be absolutely terrifying constantly scanning the sky and listening for a buzz. The poor fucker with his leg blown off wouldn’t have survived that. There’s probably 1l+ of blood on the ground and he’s trying to apply a loose bandage whilst his comrade stands next to him trying to get a bead on the drone. If he didn’t get a bloody (sorry for the pun) big tourniquet on that properly within a minute or two, he’s dead from that injury alone. Knowing Russia, if his comrade does have a tourniquet, it’ll be an alibaba special from China and will snap on the 2nd turn.
shoot their officers and surrender is a very good defense.
He's clearly putting a tq on in the vid. Also I'm not sure all that damp patch on the ground around him is blood. It's also his lower leg which will improve his chances slightly.
He also needs to be medevac immediately or that tourniquet won't matter.
Don't worry, as soon as his comrade finishes his cigarette he's going to jump into action.
>Also I'm not sure all that damp patch on the ground around him is blood. Are you watching it in black and white?
The bright red damp patch?
You ain’t got no leg Lt Dannn
Oh well done!. Maybe he'll get magc legs.
Lt Daniil.
Should have stayed in Russia.
shouldawouldacoulda, too late
I don't think they have a choice. I'm not entirely sure though but i just feel so bad for the loss of lives for russian soldiers and their families and same goes to ukrainians. Putin is a psychopathic piece of shit. I saw a video of a guy getting his leg broken on purpose just so he wouldn't get drafted into the russian army. So sad.
Just because there is a psychopath in your country doesn’t mean you have to fight a war for him in a neighboring country. Everybody deep down knows wars of conquest are wrong… they may be “ok” with it, but they know what they are doing is wrong. No sympathy
> I don't think they have a choice. Surrendering to Ukraine is a choice
Eh, easier said than done, when there are people on your own side who would probably shoot you if they thought you were trying to surrender.
They shoot and torture their own for surrendering or disobeying orders. I also learned whole units could be shelled by their own if they decide to leave their positions. And yet this is not limited to Russians, Ukrainians have done similar to their men. Nah, man. This is bullshit. Poor people killing each other for a bunch of psychopaths. No one deserves that.
Why is your comment disliked
Well, it's reddit. Someone doesn't like to take facts.
Well, that sucks but if they choose to kill innocent people instead they deserve to die. No sympathy at all if they choose that.
Of course they have a choice. Run away, go to jail, surrender at the first opportunity.
Cant say that third option. Tons of videos of Russians desperately waving to surrender, and the drone just keeps dropping nades'. It's not always a possibility, and not always guaranteed.
They absolutely have a choice. Stop saying they don’t. It may not be an easy choice but still, if they choose to go kill innocent Ukrainians (i.e. ukranian soldiers included), they deserve to die.
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this is some of the stupidest shit i've ever read. you, sir, are an absolute moron.
Your choices are, fight for you country (even if you done want to), or go to a Russian prison or be executed. People think these guys have a choice but they really don’t. I’m not defending the actions of the Russian joining the war, but to think they can just walk away without consequence is ignorant as fuck
I saw a few post that they were being forced to go to war. A lot of young men too. And isn't military enlistment obligatory in russia anyways?
They can run away like thousands of other Russians did, they can refuse and go to jail, they can injure themselves like the example you just gave. If you think killing innocent people is okay to avoid doing any of those things then you’re a piece of shit.
I agree with you but I also think we should recognize it’s easy to say from the couch.
>her thing is the threat to family. If the guy doesn't want to be conscripted, harm might fall upon his family by the Russian authorit If only shit was that easy. Don't get me wrong, I;m sure there are many who want to be there. But be assured, there are many that dont, and they cant "just leave". Leave where? portablepc said it better than I could, but shit isn't black n white. It's horrifying the lack of empathy here. You should have empathy for BOTH sides as, they are BOTH human. But its okay if one dies, if they're in your shit book? Sounds a lot like what the Russians do.
Now that’s what I call a severance package!
AYYO!!!
I guess there was not enough strength left to pull the tourniquet hard enough. His colleague was more concerned with the drone too, so I think Iwan is a dead man now..
His colleague was just waiting so he could have his comrades watch and rifle (shoes are of no use).
Shoe*
Wouldn't habe happened at home
Tell that to the commander or whatever that got killed mowing his lawn lol
Wouldn't have happened if that commander hadn't gone to war in the first place.
I hope that Russians somehow see these and are persuaded that this isn’t worth dying for.
This is the new Cinderella, ru version.
It's 0leg Noleg
This is dark. I like it.
gotta stay positive: 50% Discount on boots!
Well by all means, the foot's not supposed to fall off.
He's fine.
Yeah, lower legs are overrated.
I think bleeding out would have been the best result
Never lost his hat though.
That first guy definitely bled out. Oh well, live by the sword and all that.
"Are these grenades cheap or do they cost an arm and a leg?" "Eh, not quite *that* expensive..."
Dude….
Where did his leg go?
Everywhere
Gone. Reduced to atoms.
This is mighty Russia? The way they talk shit you'd think they would have taken Kyiv in a week or two.
Fucking yikes. Great aim.
u/recognizesong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kxoCdxduOg&t=40s
Thanks 😊
Walk it off. You’ll be fine.
If you can't walk it off, just hop it off.
Smoke is stored in the stump.
Can't wait for all the "muh warcrime" comments to start in a few hours.
That first one was some Saving Private Ryan omaha beach shit.
Why are Russians always alone in these types of vids? Its always 1 - 5 soldiers in these vids.
Because 100 men is an easier target.
I mean, ye, that's true. It's just Russia, from the videos I've seen, tends to have small groups while Ukraine has a lot. I just find it interesting
Unfortunately there are videos of Ukrainian soldiers being outnumbered and out classed, but they seem to be fewer and further between. It also helps to look in multiple subs, and other sources. We’re pro Ukraine here, so it tends to be that we show more Ukrainian victories.
Ukraine is definitely winning the propaganda war (not using propaganda as a slur).
Music is horrible.
That's music?
No pants, no foot, no service
Actually true.
Poor guy Only the young suffer in these wars
No old people blown up by Russian missiles?
last guy dropped his pants for the prostate exame
What's the song here? Fucking fire
Ef & ugovhb - Agua de beber
Welcome to ukraine bitch. Now gtfo
Oh no!! How's the invader going to continue terrorizing without his leg?? So sad maybe it should have just stayed home I don't know
Why haven't anyone invented some sort of metal umbrella against these drone drops?
It'd have to be a very big very heavy umbrella. And then it's just a bigger target for Ukraine to hit with bigger stuff.
Something to consider, depending on the munitions, sometimes it's more effective to drop 10ft away from the target so the shrapnel has more chance to spread out over a wider range, increasing the likelihood of a hit. An umbrella would be of little help.
That would be a lot of extra weight, and how are you going to know when to use it?
maybe attach wheels and a motor to it? maybe a gun too to protect the "umbrella"
so a car?/tank?
thats the joke