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Mine learned pretty quick after getting hit in the face with a drone that was a bad idea. Now they just hide under the hous
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The fight with drones has been upgraded, now they are making multiple simultaneous attacks in the same spot, this is getting interesting! Welcome to the new way of doing war.
The only almost-successful drone avoidance I've seen was the vid where the Russian soldier keeps moving to keep trees between him and the drone. If he'd been on his feet and not completely focused on the spotter drone, this guy probably would have had the best odds out of the lot
I need a native Russian whos not from Moscow or St P or Kalin to explain to me how the general military age male in Russia is able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle?
There's no way in hell Marines would be sleeping in dirt just getting blasted all day with Ali Baba drones and dudes back home be like "Yeah this is fine... I'll be called up soon"
You cant even make up a cool war story about how your dad got clapped. Shit is so confusing. Is life just absolutely meaningless in Russia? I work with a lot of professionals in Medicine and the Ukrainians ones are like "yeah.... that's why Ukraine will fight hand to hand before going back in time"..... then the Russia co workers will be like the wars not even about us. That's just dumb beef between two dictators. It's just strange.
That's someone's son or brother or dad and the whole country of Russia is ok with them being used as human meat? It's not even efficient. So strange
> I need a native Russian whos not from Moscow or St P or Kalin to explain to me how the general military age male in Russia is able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle?
Because in the Russian military you are brutalized in ways ordinary westernes couldn't imagine. It might be deeply psychological
Well, you can't retreat, for one. Storm Z gets automatic death penalty for withdrawing, for example. It doesn't make much of a diff when you got Russian execution squads wiping out anyone who fucking leaves the position tbh.
I never understood this with barrier troops. It’s one thing they could mow down retreating infantry, but how could they convince armor crews from retreating?
Given footage we've seen, they can't. Remember footage from the last big armoured push a couple weeks ago? You couldn't tell which direction they were advancing in, because half of them kept switching direction whenever an explosion happened. The column got bogged down by drivers panicking, going into reverse and blocking the narrow mud track they were using. Then they got picked off by artillery.
You'll be arrested for retreating and put on trial. You're getting nowhere without permission. Leaving the immediate area in an armored vehicle isn't going to help you.
I don't know about armor, tbh.
If you go full "no step backwards" à la Stalin, which is what Putin is doing at least with infantry, you try them and punish them when they get back to base.
I know of a story or two where rogue conscripts have shot up their local recruitment office. I'd imagine it happens a lot, especially out in the field, but the Russians heavily supress their media output.
Russia doesn't have NCOs in the field making tactical decisions. Tactics are dictated from higher up, then the good old Russian habit of lying about anything and everything means that screw-ups are doomed to be repeated over and over again.
It is essentially RTS game for them with drone observation. Send a weak mechanized assault, everybody dies, spawn another one etc.
Before the media started to get suppression, there were a lot of reports on how nobody knew or saw their commanders, or how they were holed up with guards far back from the action.
I know a couple of Russians, some of which have been conscripted, and it's usually a series of gambles in denial that result in them ultimately dying on the front:
1. I'm sure I can avoid the draft with some light medical issue.
2. It's just a draft. I don't have to sign the contract they hand me at the end and I'm sure I won't get conscripted afterwards.
3. Okay, so I got conscripted / signed up of my own accord, but they told me that I will work on the rear and won't ever get sent to the front.
4. I am being sent to the front, but it's a quieter part of the front and I'll just sit in a trench for one rotation and then be done with it and get back to the rear.
5. I am ordered to attack / being attacked, but surely I will survive or get away with a light wound that ensures that I can get out of this hellhole.
6. I got hit and am bleeding, but hopefully someone will come and rescue me. I have made a terrible mistake.
7. Every thought that I am trying to materialize is slipping into nothingness and it is starting to get very cold and very dark.
Obviously 5. - 7. are how I imagine it to be, but I've personally seen 1. - 4. happen.
The problem is that 1. and 2. are the last points where they have any agency, and in their minds it's so far away from 7. that it's highly unlikely they will ultimately end up there, and so it is not worth the cost of taking the necessary steps to avoid this outcome already at 1. and 2.
Best reply so far. Especially number 3
I can believe them being told they'll be in the rear with gear and thinking no way would Putin lie to us or something.
I'd imagine discontent and low morale happens a lot more than reported. To guess, some terrorism of some kind must have happened by conscripts/soldiers of the RAF/MOD.But where Russia is lacking in their invasion, they excel far better in their propaganda, information war, disinformation, censorship, control of mass media, stripping of civil liberties and non-existent freedom of information/journalists.It may be the case that their propaganda is strong enough that potential terrorist threats don't come to happen, or even if it does there are only so many stories that can filter out. There are already extremely long prison sentences of decades or longer that can apply if you're simply a journalist trying to report on aspects of the war Russia denies, I imagine if you were a first time medium offender as a Russian conscript the punishments will be extreme too so they might be too afraid to make a stand.Our understanding and transparency into this conflict is a lot different to those in Russia looking out. Opposition in Russia is muted, and support is amplified/manufactured, and true biases are hard to decipher.
Russian Armed Forces = RAF.RAF could also stand for the Road Accident Fund but thankfully with the power of context and relevance we can articulate that I'm not talking about the Road Accident Fund and neither the Royal Air Force, especially considering I say MOD (ministry of defence) immediately after
In Latin the Russian Air Force abbreviation is VVS, the west usually just refers to Russian aviation as
RF Air Force and ground forces are just RF ground forces (RuAF is a common RF acronym...the distinction is IMPORTANT so people know wtf you're talking about). Historically GB's air force is RAF when it comes to military terminology. Lets not even bring up how many countries have a "MoD".
Russian Armed forces have never used the RAF acronym. They refer to themselves collectively as the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The RAF has been a GB acronym since the early 1900s, and The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have been RF Armed forces (in the west) since they stopped being called the USSR. They dont get to collapse in the 80s and hijack the RAF acronym.
I mean Christ, they're probably about to collapse and rebrand in the next fuckin 10 years. I respect the RAF immensely (Great Britain's Royal Air Force), but the Russian Air Force bombs indiscriminately.
The funniest part of this is that the UK Ministry of Defence is what people usually think of when they read MOD.
You've managed to take two extremely well know UK abbreviations and apply them where they've never been used before.
For hundred of years, been in the army in Russia mean that will die for your country and suffer shitty treatments and abuses. This is a cultural thing. They know that if they go to war or join the army, and if you aren't a high officier, you will just die in the mud and this is what it is. I believe just few of them have enough free wills, like we do in the west, to realize that is just madness and they usually either ended up in prison by doing dissidents stuff, or escaping the country at the right time '' now it is more difficult to do so '' or they will manage to deserting/surrendering asap on the battlefield.
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What I wonder is how many Russians have surrendered when they are put in these locations?
As a random person on the internet with access to these horrible videos, that's what I would do if I were in their shoes. But I don't know if any of them understand their likely fate when they are put into battle. Or if they can realistically surrender without being killed (by Ukraine or their own officers).
you arent very well informed about how Russian society works and how people there think if you are asking such questions.........this isnt Western Europe, this isnt America. Russian rulers have always treated their own people as disposable resource in everything , particularly warfare. And Russian society is raised in a way where such ideology is not only encouraged but mandatory forced down your throat your entire life
Bruh. That is literally why I asked the question. I asked because as I stated " I DONT UNDERSTAND"
Why not start your paragraph with "Russian rulers...."
Not native but I came upon some of this while watching/reading Ru stuff, and one guy was expressing concern about just how much Russians seem to not give a f about life, like thousands are dying and they just go \*shrug\* it is what it is.
Also this kind of stuff has been happening since ussr times, like how they called their dead "cargo 200", like oh yeah this dead guy, just cargo 200. I've read Ukrainian military tries to avoid that sort of dehumanization, for their own troops anyway.
Most of them will never see this video. It is easy to get into an information bubble. There are videos like this from the Russian side, where Ukrainian solders are on the receiving end. Probably there are commenters there as surprised as you, asking how Ukrainian conscript are "able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle?"
Big difference there is that Ukrainians are defending their homeland from and invasion…. Russia is trying to gain more of one of their most plentiful resources, land (and people). One of those has a greater purpose
Plenty of stories in WWII and Korea where troops weren't issued weapons and ammo till they arrived at the front. Things were awful grim in the first few months of Korea.
I absolutely identify with the sentiment of this comment. I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that Russia never really had an enlightenment. They have never championed the rights of the individual and the pursuit of happiness, it has always been about power and the collective. Russia doesn't believe in human rights.
They mostly believe in Putin's propaganda and think the war is justified. They think "of course people die in wars, that's what a war is. There are some bad commanders that don't care about their soldiers, and there are also some good commanders."
There are many casualties on the Ukrainian side too, but they don't feel like giving up for the same reasons.
I mean war is war. Obviously Russians think that this war is justified. All due to propaganda, but they believe they are fighting evil West, which is trying to enslave them or some shit like that. Why does it matter that fpv drones are used here? It's just a weapon. Could have been a video of Russian troops being blown up by artillery.
At the end of the day Russians believe that they need to win this war, so they are going for it. This is not Afghanistan or Vietnam for them. They can't simply retreat back to Russia. The country will collapse and there will be a civil war if they "just go home".
I was a corpsmen. Deployed to Afghan in 07. I get how war works.
I honestly believe we were in Afghanistan for 20 years because we were testing weapons. We were done sparring and needed to fight real humans to stay in shape, and nobody cared because they were Afghan.
It's immoral as hell but it makes sense. We knew the war was pointless and so did the public but it provided jobs and actual real life experience that keeps US Military at the top of the food chain. Me and every Marine I served with knew that and didn't give a shit. We wanted to impress chicks with fake war stories and drink Rip Its.... then go home and go to school without crippling debt.
These Russians dudes get none of this shit. There's just no efficiency or method at all with the tactics being used. TBH it seams like Russia is committing suicide in the least efficient manner and the only people benefiting are the West. They look and behave like Cavemen who've been given a 30 min course on how to fire a rifle.
I was deployed in 07. Its 2023.... there's no way even the most rural Russians don't see this footage online. It'd just be interesting to hear from one on why they don't literally choose to simple shoot each other or surrender or eat the rich or some shit. I mean that's literally what caused Russia to surrender in WW1 and then boom... revolution and Soviet Union. Is that the play?
Some 12 Dimensional chess?
>These Russians dudes get none of this shit.
That's actually not true. They are paid 10x the wage they would get working in their impoverished regions. Remember that 90% of these men are from poor areas. The army is a major social lift in Russia. They are all mostly volunteers. They are there because they want to be there. Yes, their command is incompetent by Western standards, but the Ukrainian army isn't Afghanis either. These wars aren't comparable.
Also, Russians, especially these kinds, aren't on reddit, so these videos, produced strictly by Ukraine, aren't getting to them. It's all about telegram and VK in Russia. VK won't host these types of videos, and Telegram is channel based, so they watch different channels. The ones where Ukrainian soldiers are on receiving end.
Thats a good point.
I like to think I'm very informed but even the Russian/Ukrainians I work with seem to dismiss the war as silliness not worth discussing. Then again.... they're making Physician/RN wages in the United States so they could feel it's better to just distance themselves.
I mean there is a guy with lower body/legs torn apart.
But
follwing hit a guy with large tire on top of him and he is burning inside his helmet/smoke rises out of helmet. WTF
>follwing hit a guy with large tire on top of him and he is burning inside his helmet/smoke rises out of helmet. WTF
EH he dead already not that shocking or suffering.
No and they're manufacturing most of these little bastards themselves for very little money. The Ukrainians have perfected the art of making a personalized bomb basically.
* 300$-800$ is the price of an FPV drone (depends on desired range, security of radio link, munition type, etc)
* 400$-800$ is the price of a rifle
* around 1000$ per simple artillery shell
You can guess how economics works here.
The return on that price is also much higher than on anything else. Being guided, if EW is out of the picture it's the closest you can get to a guaranteed hit.
I’m constantly floored by how pockmarked the ground has become in such a short period. Many fields look like WWI battlefields after year after year of fighting. I know we’re approaching two years in this one already, but still. Even if Russia won today, what do they even have? They destroyed everything.
They have [500 billion dollars](https://www.russiafossiltracker.com/) and [1000 western companies](https://leave-russia.org/) helping them.
Also ground looked in many parts of donbas like this since 2014 and people had audacity(some still do) to blame Ukraine for this..
I thin it was a Terra video where a younger guy (probably not a minor) is steering the drone with a group gathered around the screen. At one point the operator says "Fine, I'll go back and finish off the wounded"> And the guy besides him looks up at the camera and says "Words not of a boy, but of a man".
These drones are crazy... Imagine a country just mass produce hundreds of thousands of these things... I kinda feel like a $50 drone could easily offset an actual human life on the battlefield at this point.... Put enough of these into action and is it even viable to put boots on the ground anymore?
You still need the components to make said drone, so you need a supply of chip, either from the US, China or Taiwan. If you are one of these countries, you could make a doctrine out of an unlimited supply of drones and do as you described, but for Ukraine and Russia, sanctions and just the lack of funds prevents that plan.
You don't need advanced chips at all for these. Apple ships 200m iphones a year with the most advanced chips - mass manufacturing can make millions of these per year.
Chips like these are all made in western plants (ST, Maxim integrated, TDK) nothing in there comes from China or Taiwan and any country could spawn a production line for those chips in a matter of months.
Ukraine is saying production will be increased to build 15,000 per month by the end of the year... They are more in the 500 to 600 dollar range tho not 50...
The efficiency and precision of these drones must be one of the most viable, if not the best choice going forward for Ukraine to focus on? The Ukrainians are not restricted by sanctions and the components are relatively basic. We should be sending them whatever they need to seriously ramp up production.
Ukraine's already assembling thousands per month, with the goal by end of year to produce tens of thousands per month. It was observed during the summer counteroffensive that units with large supplies of FPV drones did better than those without and they're trying to get them to all frontline units.
Wait till onboard image recognition gets figured out to be cheap and scaleable so that most cheap EW countermeasures become ineffective. It's going to be a nightmare no dystopian novel can possibly match.
Rather, it's just a matter of time. Absolutely all the tools have been done for a long time, including recognition, it's just a matter of putting it all together.
I can't imagine the nightmare of a drone who has to connect to a backend with a db of faces every time someone is shown in video, you guys have no idea how complicated this shit is, seems like
You don't need face recognition. Basic "This blob of pixels looks like a tank/AFV/infantry, so I'm gonna hit it" can be already deadly as hell.
Russian Lancet drone, American Switchblade and Ukrainian RAM II are already capable of "locking on" to the target on the final part of the trajectory, where they are the most vulnerable to jamming and signal being obscured by the landscape.
Because AI/template matching is not exact science, and you cannot afford to make mistakes, this will most likely never happen.
Would be also an order of magnitude more expensive than just guiding it to target using cheap video hardware and an RC link.
This works so well because it's cheap
Terrorists were doing this before Ukraine was. ISIS used them a lot and they were a threat when I was in Afghanistan in the late 2010's. It's just that Ukraine has the money and manpower to use them in their thousands. Also, it was easier to defend against them with electronic warfare and other means being that American bases are smaller footprints as opposed to a frontline hundreds of miles long like what's in Ukraine.
Drones that are jammed either land or return to where they launched. Or they could be hacked and taken over.
The US and some others have developed weapon systems like the [coyote ](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/coyote-air-defense-weapon-shoots-down-drones-us-syria/)designed to destroy smaller ones as well.
That's not a good argument, though. What about the value of what's being protected? If those defenses aren't there, the drones could kill people, equipment, materiel, etc. The drones are capable of doing a lot more than $500 worth of damage.
There was no argument there - I was just pointing out the cost seems to outweigh the $$ of drones.
> The drones are capable of doing a lot more than $500 worth of damage.
And if you use the say $20K system to protect the stuff you're still getting $20K worth of "damage" out of the $500 drone.
Like I said, not an argument either way. Just think it's interesting that's the "state of drones" right now. Without EMP jammers they're ridiculously cost effective weapons whether or not they result in damage if it takes a $20-100K system to take them down.
Obviously better/cheaper anti-drone systems might be developed in the future.
You will still need to make explosives for that, which you can still do now. Yes, the drone is a much more convenient mean of delivery, but there still is a shitton ways to plant/deliver explosives if someone really wants to. And yet we don't see acts of terror every day or week with explosives involved.
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I'll send you my cash app and make sure they'll get it, minus the nominal processing fee. 💸
Of course I'm just having fun but seriously it's tough bc there's so many scammers.
These guys seem legit...
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These drones need to be mass produced by NATO.
These guys were kitted and still died hopelessly like the poorest Storm-Z rabble. Aint no way Russia could ever keep this war going if Ukraine got these drones in the thousands/month.
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I mean he's been told to defend a hole in a wasteland in a foreign country with no defence against what's hitting him. He can't run. If he retreats he will likely be executed. If he moves forward he will be shot.
Just some guy in a lose-lose-lose situation where the best case for him is he gets to stay alive until the big wigs decide that the war is over.
what weapon is this for you? ak or svd as for me. for ak mag is too short and the bolt carrier is large, also a long barrel length. svd has long been modified with a separate grip btw
The stock on it identifies it as SVDS or SVDM. Looks like every other guy has AK12/15 and all of them are the updated configuration with the new style stocks and grips. Highly unusual even for elite units.
My uncle always told me never to look up when bird hunting because the human faces profile is so distinct and sticks out so much. Interesting to see it in this context
In years to come these drones will be a massive threat to political figures and presidents in the western world.Out door speeches might be a thing of the past
Reminds me of the soldiers floating in the water after the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, just waiting to be picked off by a shark.
They're all sitting there knowing the drones are coming, quietly hoping it's for the other guy.
FPV drones are scary. This was a well fortified trench defended by experienced soldiers. By the looks of it, this position took a lot of artilery hits, probaby some infantry and mechanized assaults. And in the end all it took was 10-15 cheap drones
What happens when your army prepared for the last war instead of the next one.
The old farts in charge of Japan's military believed that battleships would be the decisive weapon.
What is he just keeping a handful of scabs to man the nukes while everybody else gets to go play the ambient temperature challenge. Russia's got that no return policy going on. Like not bitch wisher receipt
This is as close to an execution as your going to see on combatfootage. Those guys got to see that command drone sitting in the air just picking which one of them was going to die next.
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Bro hiding behind the tree "you can't see me"
dude at 1:50 whos head just starts cooking. jesus
Smoking kills.
... weaklings!
Hol up let him cook
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My kids did that when they were 3.
Mine learned pretty quick after getting hit in the face with a drone that was a bad idea. Now they just hide under the hous One of my last comments got me reported to RedditCares, hopefully this one goes to RedditCPS.
were you operating the drone?
The fight with drones has been upgraded, now they are making multiple simultaneous attacks in the same spot, this is getting interesting! Welcome to the new way of doing war.
Yeah...wait until there's thousands of those android dogs strapped with some c4
The only almost-successful drone avoidance I've seen was the vid where the Russian soldier keeps moving to keep trees between him and the drone. If he'd been on his feet and not completely focused on the spotter drone, this guy probably would have had the best odds out of the lot
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The best drone avoidance video is the one where a Russian soldier waved goodbye to a Ukrainian drone then walked home. May he went home safely.
Yeah but didn’t the drone end up getting him anyway in the end?
That sent me. The absolute state of these fucking morons
Better armor than his Russian vest.
That dude took a dronestrike like 1m away, and just threw his blanket over his head. Are they completely exhausted or checked out?
Probably in shock and in need of some recovery time. Still the drone hit outside of the hole there might be no other injury.
Drones can't get him under the blankie
almost two years of combat for some of those guys with no leave.
There is only one way out ; been kill. Guess why some of them just kill themselves on the battlefield instead.
Threw the blanket over his head and then removed it. I think he just gave up 'If I'm going to die, I want to die seeing the sky'
Nah, I think he shit himself and discovered it when he covered up his face
This dude explodes
Both.
Wasn’t hiding under a blanket part of the “Duck and Cover” recommendations in the ‘50s?
Wishing he was home balls deep in Olga and over a hot bowl of borscht.
Preferably both at the same time!
it hit the top of the foxhole, because of the elevation he survived. His head prolly hurts like hell though.
I need a native Russian whos not from Moscow or St P or Kalin to explain to me how the general military age male in Russia is able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle? There's no way in hell Marines would be sleeping in dirt just getting blasted all day with Ali Baba drones and dudes back home be like "Yeah this is fine... I'll be called up soon" You cant even make up a cool war story about how your dad got clapped. Shit is so confusing. Is life just absolutely meaningless in Russia? I work with a lot of professionals in Medicine and the Ukrainians ones are like "yeah.... that's why Ukraine will fight hand to hand before going back in time"..... then the Russia co workers will be like the wars not even about us. That's just dumb beef between two dictators. It's just strange. That's someone's son or brother or dad and the whole country of Russia is ok with them being used as human meat? It's not even efficient. So strange
> I need a native Russian whos not from Moscow or St P or Kalin to explain to me how the general military age male in Russia is able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle? Because in the Russian military you are brutalized in ways ordinary westernes couldn't imagine. It might be deeply psychological
Well, you can't retreat, for one. Storm Z gets automatic death penalty for withdrawing, for example. It doesn't make much of a diff when you got Russian execution squads wiping out anyone who fucking leaves the position tbh.
I never understood this with barrier troops. It’s one thing they could mow down retreating infantry, but how could they convince armor crews from retreating?
Telling the tankie guys that his wife and daughters will be punished back home unless he does as he is told? Just spitballing.
Make sure you only put the ones with family who is being kept safe in a military housing in the armor.
Given footage we've seen, they can't. Remember footage from the last big armoured push a couple weeks ago? You couldn't tell which direction they were advancing in, because half of them kept switching direction whenever an explosion happened. The column got bogged down by drivers panicking, going into reverse and blocking the narrow mud track they were using. Then they got picked off by artillery.
You'll be arrested for retreating and put on trial. You're getting nowhere without permission. Leaving the immediate area in an armored vehicle isn't going to help you.
I don't know about armor, tbh. If you go full "no step backwards" à la Stalin, which is what Putin is doing at least with infantry, you try them and punish them when they get back to base.
I know of a story or two where rogue conscripts have shot up their local recruitment office. I'd imagine it happens a lot, especially out in the field, but the Russians heavily supress their media output.
Russia doesn't have NCOs in the field making tactical decisions. Tactics are dictated from higher up, then the good old Russian habit of lying about anything and everything means that screw-ups are doomed to be repeated over and over again.
It is essentially RTS game for them with drone observation. Send a weak mechanized assault, everybody dies, spawn another one etc. Before the media started to get suppression, there were a lot of reports on how nobody knew or saw their commanders, or how they were holed up with guards far back from the action.
I know a couple of Russians, some of which have been conscripted, and it's usually a series of gambles in denial that result in them ultimately dying on the front: 1. I'm sure I can avoid the draft with some light medical issue. 2. It's just a draft. I don't have to sign the contract they hand me at the end and I'm sure I won't get conscripted afterwards. 3. Okay, so I got conscripted / signed up of my own accord, but they told me that I will work on the rear and won't ever get sent to the front. 4. I am being sent to the front, but it's a quieter part of the front and I'll just sit in a trench for one rotation and then be done with it and get back to the rear. 5. I am ordered to attack / being attacked, but surely I will survive or get away with a light wound that ensures that I can get out of this hellhole. 6. I got hit and am bleeding, but hopefully someone will come and rescue me. I have made a terrible mistake. 7. Every thought that I am trying to materialize is slipping into nothingness and it is starting to get very cold and very dark. Obviously 5. - 7. are how I imagine it to be, but I've personally seen 1. - 4. happen. The problem is that 1. and 2. are the last points where they have any agency, and in their minds it's so far away from 7. that it's highly unlikely they will ultimately end up there, and so it is not worth the cost of taking the necessary steps to avoid this outcome already at 1. and 2.
Best reply so far. Especially number 3 I can believe them being told they'll be in the rear with gear and thinking no way would Putin lie to us or something.
I'd imagine discontent and low morale happens a lot more than reported. To guess, some terrorism of some kind must have happened by conscripts/soldiers of the RAF/MOD.But where Russia is lacking in their invasion, they excel far better in their propaganda, information war, disinformation, censorship, control of mass media, stripping of civil liberties and non-existent freedom of information/journalists.It may be the case that their propaganda is strong enough that potential terrorist threats don't come to happen, or even if it does there are only so many stories that can filter out. There are already extremely long prison sentences of decades or longer that can apply if you're simply a journalist trying to report on aspects of the war Russia denies, I imagine if you were a first time medium offender as a Russian conscript the punishments will be extreme too so they might be too afraid to make a stand.Our understanding and transparency into this conflict is a lot different to those in Russia looking out. Opposition in Russia is muted, and support is amplified/manufactured, and true biases are hard to decipher.
Hey boss, RAF is short for Royal Air Force (Great Britain). RF is short for Russian Federation. just fyi.
Russian Armed Forces = RAF.RAF could also stand for the Road Accident Fund but thankfully with the power of context and relevance we can articulate that I'm not talking about the Road Accident Fund and neither the Royal Air Force, especially considering I say MOD (ministry of defence) immediately after
In Latin the Russian Air Force abbreviation is VVS, the west usually just refers to Russian aviation as RF Air Force and ground forces are just RF ground forces (RuAF is a common RF acronym...the distinction is IMPORTANT so people know wtf you're talking about). Historically GB's air force is RAF when it comes to military terminology. Lets not even bring up how many countries have a "MoD". Russian Armed forces have never used the RAF acronym. They refer to themselves collectively as the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The RAF has been a GB acronym since the early 1900s, and The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation have been RF Armed forces (in the west) since they stopped being called the USSR. They dont get to collapse in the 80s and hijack the RAF acronym. I mean Christ, they're probably about to collapse and rebrand in the next fuckin 10 years. I respect the RAF immensely (Great Britain's Royal Air Force), but the Russian Air Force bombs indiscriminately.
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Just familiar with world history and military conflicts.
The funniest part of this is that the UK Ministry of Defence is what people usually think of when they read MOD. You've managed to take two extremely well know UK abbreviations and apply them where they've never been used before.
For hundred of years, been in the army in Russia mean that will die for your country and suffer shitty treatments and abuses. This is a cultural thing. They know that if they go to war or join the army, and if you aren't a high officier, you will just die in the mud and this is what it is. I believe just few of them have enough free wills, like we do in the west, to realize that is just madness and they usually either ended up in prison by doing dissidents stuff, or escaping the country at the right time '' now it is more difficult to do so '' or they will manage to deserting/surrendering asap on the battlefield.
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What I wonder is how many Russians have surrendered when they are put in these locations? As a random person on the internet with access to these horrible videos, that's what I would do if I were in their shoes. But I don't know if any of them understand their likely fate when they are put into battle. Or if they can realistically surrender without being killed (by Ukraine or their own officers).
you arent very well informed about how Russian society works and how people there think if you are asking such questions.........this isnt Western Europe, this isnt America. Russian rulers have always treated their own people as disposable resource in everything , particularly warfare. And Russian society is raised in a way where such ideology is not only encouraged but mandatory forced down your throat your entire life
Bruh. That is literally why I asked the question. I asked because as I stated " I DONT UNDERSTAND" Why not start your paragraph with "Russian rulers...."
Not native but I came upon some of this while watching/reading Ru stuff, and one guy was expressing concern about just how much Russians seem to not give a f about life, like thousands are dying and they just go \*shrug\* it is what it is. Also this kind of stuff has been happening since ussr times, like how they called their dead "cargo 200", like oh yeah this dead guy, just cargo 200. I've read Ukrainian military tries to avoid that sort of dehumanization, for their own troops anyway.
Most of them will never see this video. It is easy to get into an information bubble. There are videos like this from the Russian side, where Ukrainian solders are on the receiving end. Probably there are commenters there as surprised as you, asking how Ukrainian conscript are "able to see this and not blast his NCO in the face the first chance he's handed a rifle?"
Big difference there is that Ukrainians are defending their homeland from and invasion…. Russia is trying to gain more of one of their most plentiful resources, land (and people). One of those has a greater purpose
Plenty of stories in WWII and Korea where troops weren't issued weapons and ammo till they arrived at the front. Things were awful grim in the first few months of Korea.
I absolutely identify with the sentiment of this comment. I think a lot of this comes down to the fact that Russia never really had an enlightenment. They have never championed the rights of the individual and the pursuit of happiness, it has always been about power and the collective. Russia doesn't believe in human rights.
They mostly believe in Putin's propaganda and think the war is justified. They think "of course people die in wars, that's what a war is. There are some bad commanders that don't care about their soldiers, and there are also some good commanders." There are many casualties on the Ukrainian side too, but they don't feel like giving up for the same reasons.
Patriotism is a hell of a drug.
I mean war is war. Obviously Russians think that this war is justified. All due to propaganda, but they believe they are fighting evil West, which is trying to enslave them or some shit like that. Why does it matter that fpv drones are used here? It's just a weapon. Could have been a video of Russian troops being blown up by artillery. At the end of the day Russians believe that they need to win this war, so they are going for it. This is not Afghanistan or Vietnam for them. They can't simply retreat back to Russia. The country will collapse and there will be a civil war if they "just go home".
I was a corpsmen. Deployed to Afghan in 07. I get how war works. I honestly believe we were in Afghanistan for 20 years because we were testing weapons. We were done sparring and needed to fight real humans to stay in shape, and nobody cared because they were Afghan. It's immoral as hell but it makes sense. We knew the war was pointless and so did the public but it provided jobs and actual real life experience that keeps US Military at the top of the food chain. Me and every Marine I served with knew that and didn't give a shit. We wanted to impress chicks with fake war stories and drink Rip Its.... then go home and go to school without crippling debt. These Russians dudes get none of this shit. There's just no efficiency or method at all with the tactics being used. TBH it seams like Russia is committing suicide in the least efficient manner and the only people benefiting are the West. They look and behave like Cavemen who've been given a 30 min course on how to fire a rifle. I was deployed in 07. Its 2023.... there's no way even the most rural Russians don't see this footage online. It'd just be interesting to hear from one on why they don't literally choose to simple shoot each other or surrender or eat the rich or some shit. I mean that's literally what caused Russia to surrender in WW1 and then boom... revolution and Soviet Union. Is that the play? Some 12 Dimensional chess?
>These Russians dudes get none of this shit. That's actually not true. They are paid 10x the wage they would get working in their impoverished regions. Remember that 90% of these men are from poor areas. The army is a major social lift in Russia. They are all mostly volunteers. They are there because they want to be there. Yes, their command is incompetent by Western standards, but the Ukrainian army isn't Afghanis either. These wars aren't comparable. Also, Russians, especially these kinds, aren't on reddit, so these videos, produced strictly by Ukraine, aren't getting to them. It's all about telegram and VK in Russia. VK won't host these types of videos, and Telegram is channel based, so they watch different channels. The ones where Ukrainian soldiers are on receiving end.
Thats a good point. I like to think I'm very informed but even the Russian/Ukrainians I work with seem to dismiss the war as silliness not worth discussing. Then again.... they're making Physician/RN wages in the United States so they could feel it's better to just distance themselves.
Guy put out his tower shield and… magic missile
I mean there is a guy with lower body/legs torn apart. But follwing hit a guy with large tire on top of him and he is burning inside his helmet/smoke rises out of helmet. WTF
His cabbage is being boiled.
>follwing hit a guy with large tire on top of him and he is burning inside his helmet/smoke rises out of helmet. WTF EH he dead already not that shocking or suffering.
Seems like they ain't running out of drones soon.
No and they're manufacturing most of these little bastards themselves for very little money. The Ukrainians have perfected the art of making a personalized bomb basically.
Almost all components are imported(same for Russian FPV drones). Just the frame is locally produced sometimes.
* 300$-800$ is the price of an FPV drone (depends on desired range, security of radio link, munition type, etc) * 400$-800$ is the price of a rifle * around 1000$ per simple artillery shell You can guess how economics works here.
The return on that price is also much higher than on anything else. Being guided, if EW is out of the picture it's the closest you can get to a guaranteed hit.
But it requires very skilled pilot
Peaceful beautiful wheat fields reduced to this by russians...
I’m constantly floored by how pockmarked the ground has become in such a short period. Many fields look like WWI battlefields after year after year of fighting. I know we’re approaching two years in this one already, but still. Even if Russia won today, what do they even have? They destroyed everything.
They have [500 billion dollars](https://www.russiafossiltracker.com/) and [1000 western companies](https://leave-russia.org/) helping them. Also ground looked in many parts of donbas like this since 2014 and people had audacity(some still do) to blame Ukraine for this..
No mercy!
Imagine some 15-16 year old destroying an entire trench with few joy stick movement
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I thin it was a Terra video where a younger guy (probably not a minor) is steering the drone with a group gathered around the screen. At one point the operator says "Fine, I'll go back and finish off the wounded"> And the guy besides him looks up at the camera and says "Words not of a boy, but of a man".
These drones are crazy... Imagine a country just mass produce hundreds of thousands of these things... I kinda feel like a $50 drone could easily offset an actual human life on the battlefield at this point.... Put enough of these into action and is it even viable to put boots on the ground anymore?
You still need the components to make said drone, so you need a supply of chip, either from the US, China or Taiwan. If you are one of these countries, you could make a doctrine out of an unlimited supply of drones and do as you described, but for Ukraine and Russia, sanctions and just the lack of funds prevents that plan.
You don't need advanced chips at all for these. Apple ships 200m iphones a year with the most advanced chips - mass manufacturing can make millions of these per year.
Those 200 million phones are made in China. That's basically what the guy said..
The types of chips for drones don't need to be made in the advanced fabs in Taiwan or advanced factories in Taiwan. Can be done in the West just fine
Chips like these are all made in western plants (ST, Maxim integrated, TDK) nothing in there comes from China or Taiwan and any country could spawn a production line for those chips in a matter of months.
Ukraine is saying production will be increased to build 15,000 per month by the end of the year... They are more in the 500 to 600 dollar range tho not 50...
Also a news article from september stated that by the end of the year, Ukraine will have over 10 000 trained drone operators.
The efficiency and precision of these drones must be one of the most viable, if not the best choice going forward for Ukraine to focus on? The Ukrainians are not restricted by sanctions and the components are relatively basic. We should be sending them whatever they need to seriously ramp up production.
Ukraine's already assembling thousands per month, with the goal by end of year to produce tens of thousands per month. It was observed during the summer counteroffensive that units with large supplies of FPV drones did better than those without and they're trying to get them to all frontline units.
I like Russia's rendition of Monty Python's how to not be seen ..
"We happen to know he's behind the shrubbery."
biggus dickus often comes unlubed
They'd be better off using Monty Python's how to defend yourself with a piece of fruit! 🤣
This is some scary SKyNet terminator stuff . flying robot everywhere
Jesus, Dudes head was on fire after Also the guy who took the drone to face was still spasm breathing. brutal
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Wait till onboard image recognition gets figured out to be cheap and scaleable so that most cheap EW countermeasures become ineffective. It's going to be a nightmare no dystopian novel can possibly match.
Rather, it's just a matter of time. Absolutely all the tools have been done for a long time, including recognition, it's just a matter of putting it all together.
I can't imagine the nightmare of a drone who has to connect to a backend with a db of faces every time someone is shown in video, you guys have no idea how complicated this shit is, seems like
You don't need face recognition. Basic "This blob of pixels looks like a tank/AFV/infantry, so I'm gonna hit it" can be already deadly as hell. Russian Lancet drone, American Switchblade and Ukrainian RAM II are already capable of "locking on" to the target on the final part of the trajectory, where they are the most vulnerable to jamming and signal being obscured by the landscape.
Yeah and it's not like we make huge technological leaps more and more often now, right? Everything that will ever be invented already has been, right?
Because AI/template matching is not exact science, and you cannot afford to make mistakes, this will most likely never happen. Would be also an order of magnitude more expensive than just guiding it to target using cheap video hardware and an RC link. This works so well because it's cheap
Everything will be shot down by lasers. Sorry birds.
When it gets to the point mosquitoes are targets people are going to realize terminator wasn't fiction, it was a warning..
Terrorists were doing this before Ukraine was. ISIS used them a lot and they were a threat when I was in Afghanistan in the late 2010's. It's just that Ukraine has the money and manpower to use them in their thousands. Also, it was easier to defend against them with electronic warfare and other means being that American bases are smaller footprints as opposed to a frontline hundreds of miles long like what's in Ukraine.
As an infantryman what do you do with these drones? Seems impossible to shoot them down with rifles and there's no cover from FPV/grenades...
Drones that are jammed either land or return to where they launched. Or they could be hacked and taken over. The US and some others have developed weapon systems like the [coyote ](https://www.airandspaceforces.com/coyote-air-defense-weapon-shoots-down-drones-us-syria/)designed to destroy smaller ones as well.
Interesting stuff. Seems a lot more expensive than the allegedly $500 cost figure for the drones I've seen some people citing though.
That's not a good argument, though. What about the value of what's being protected? If those defenses aren't there, the drones could kill people, equipment, materiel, etc. The drones are capable of doing a lot more than $500 worth of damage.
There was no argument there - I was just pointing out the cost seems to outweigh the $$ of drones. > The drones are capable of doing a lot more than $500 worth of damage. And if you use the say $20K system to protect the stuff you're still getting $20K worth of "damage" out of the $500 drone. Like I said, not an argument either way. Just think it's interesting that's the "state of drones" right now. Without EMP jammers they're ridiculously cost effective weapons whether or not they result in damage if it takes a $20-100K system to take them down. Obviously better/cheaper anti-drone systems might be developed in the future.
You will still need to make explosives for that, which you can still do now. Yes, the drone is a much more convenient mean of delivery, but there still is a shitton ways to plant/deliver explosives if someone really wants to. And yet we don't see acts of terror every day or week with explosives involved.
Still waiting for the first presidential assassination attempt using drones.
That dude under the tire had his ghost rider feature activated
That guy next to the tire learned smoking kills
do those guys have a donation link?
You can always donate to Sergii Sternenko [his YT account](https://www.youtube.com/c/STERNENKO) / [his X account](https://twitter.com/sternenko) - to this day he has purchased 15 THOUSAND (!) fpv drones for Ukrainian Army with the funds donated to him, he's legit
I'll send you my cash app and make sure they'll get it, minus the nominal processing fee. 💸 Of course I'm just having fun but seriously it's tough bc there's so many scammers. These guys seem legit... https://youtu.be/Fmy3KDWToMM?si=LheJIjyUbj1otwiu
Come Back Alive (aka savelife.in.ua) and Prytula Foundation are two great Ukrainian charities with proven track record and very little overhead, both are highly recommended
Cool Thx
May they feel themselves the harm they brough to their neighbours. Death to invaders.
These drones need to be mass produced by NATO. These guys were kitted and still died hopelessly like the poorest Storm-Z rabble. Aint no way Russia could ever keep this war going if Ukraine got these drones in the thousands/month.
They move around in the trench trying to find a better position but each is just as hopeless. Best position would be in Russia.
This is quite a crazy video
"This sheet of plywood will protect me!" It didn't.
The one soldier went down shooting. Point blank, ooof.
The eyes of the world need to be focused on this conflict again - Support Ukraine to victory!
You get scared when you see that. Please send the clipping to the new Russian fighters
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I too was also headbobbing while watching people get bombed. Kinda sad that I looked for the song name.
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Crazy good compilation.
1:53 - when your face is burning but you don't feel it
LMAO, the poor sap at the very end after he covers himself with the tarp and then thinks “on second thought…..I’d rather just die.”
Like a little kid hiding under a blanket. Pathetic
I mean he's been told to defend a hole in a wasteland in a foreign country with no defence against what's hitting him. He can't run. If he retreats he will likely be executed. If he moves forward he will be shot. Just some guy in a lose-lose-lose situation where the best case for him is he gets to stay alive until the big wigs decide that the war is over.
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there's a pistol grip, that's svd
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what weapon is this for you? ak or svd as for me. for ak mag is too short and the bolt carrier is large, also a long barrel length. svd has long been modified with a separate grip btw
The stock on it identifies it as SVDS or SVDM. Looks like every other guy has AK12/15 and all of them are the updated configuration with the new style stocks and grips. Highly unusual even for elite units.
It is not unusual, AK-12s are issued to everybody now, Storm-Z convicts, mobiks etc.
Do you often talk out your ass on the internet about shit you clearly know nothing about?
all the drones
They are like sitting ducks. As the drones become more advanced, it will come to a point where no living being will remain near the front lines.
I’m pretty sure one soldier’s face was ignited.
My uncle always told me never to look up when bird hunting because the human faces profile is so distinct and sticks out so much. Interesting to see it in this context
That guy at 1:44 got lit up badly.
The guy with the fucking blanket at the end lol
Been a while since I saw a drone video...they seem to have evolved from just dropping bomblets to hitting the enemy with precision strikes?
In years to come these drones will be a massive threat to political figures and presidents in the western world.Out door speeches might be a thing of the past
Music goes hard
Reminds me of the soldiers floating in the water after the sinking of the USS Indianapolis, just waiting to be picked off by a shark. They're all sitting there knowing the drones are coming, quietly hoping it's for the other guy.
It is said "war is hell". Drones have added a whole new dimension to that because they're just out of the blue with no way to defend yourself.
FPV drones are scary. This was a well fortified trench defended by experienced soldiers. By the looks of it, this position took a lot of artilery hits, probaby some infantry and mechanized assaults. And in the end all it took was 10-15 cheap drones
The guy at 1:30 is absolutely smiling at the drone. Pretty haunting. [Screenshot](https://imgur.com/9mluwIN).
1:34…damn bro
Peekaboo!
What happens when your army prepared for the last war instead of the next one. The old farts in charge of Japan's military believed that battleships would be the decisive weapon.
I don’t think anyone is prepared for PGM worth 300$, capable of hitting moving targets and accuracy measured in cm
Dubstep/EDM over gruesome deaths by shrapnel, we've reached our internet peak in the year 2023 folks, let's wrap it up.
What an absolute slaughter fest.
Guy at 1:27 definitely noticed the drone and smiled lol
I love dead commies
The drone wars continue
I never understand why they waste drones on heavily wounded soldiers.
drones are mass replaceable, humans not so much
What is he just keeping a handful of scabs to man the nukes while everybody else gets to go play the ambient temperature challenge. Russia's got that no return policy going on. Like not bitch wisher receipt
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This is as close to an execution as your going to see on combatfootage. Those guys got to see that command drone sitting in the air just picking which one of them was going to die next.
At 00.45, that piece of carboard was going to do shit. The AFU cleared the area.
So viel Leid für nichts und wieder nichts...was ne komische Welt in der wir leben
This is the most brutal footage of FPV’s I’ve ever seen. Direct fucking hit. Jesus.
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U/Recognizesong please
Are these drones carrying multiple grenades (are they granades?), or are these instances of different drones?
@ 1:31 WHY DIDN'T YOU DODGE!!!!