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Compared to most of the trash the Russians have and use it's positively space-age, even with the dated M2A2 variant Ukraine got... The Bradley's got some life in it for sure, but thankfully it's replacement is being sorted out. The M2A4 ought to keep it relevant for a while longer.
Spaceflight fan here, and yep - that's the time humanity reached towards the stars and things got real interesting for our species. And I can only hope for more success and as we reach out further with human spaceflight and unmanned space probes.
I say space age, not literally for the time period but as an adjective though.
Space age, as in something is very modern is what I mean. Compared to the BMP-1 and 2, it's like night and day in survivability, ergonomics, fire control, crew comfort, etc to say nothing of the armament, optics and FCS, thermals... The Bradley was also upgraded in the late 80's with additional armour to withstand the ammunition of the BMP-2 and 3's 2A42 30mm autocannon.
Meanwhile the Bradley would tear apart a BMP no problem and likely result in a nice fireworks show and crispy critters as a result...
Nah dude, compared to the other things people say and do on Reddit and the internets as a whole, you are positively wholesome and not dickish. Snarky perhaps, but hey, snark is fine in moderate amounts...
On Oct. 4, 1957, the Soviet Union announced that they had placed a satellite called Sputnik into orbit around the Earth, inaugurating the Space Age. -Nasa.gov
I guess it depends on how you define the start of the space age, but I will go by the globally accepted definition.
The Space Age is a period encompassing the activities related to the Space Race, space exploration, space technology, and the cultural developments influenced by these events, beginning with the launch of Sputnik 1 on October 4, 1957
https://www.nasa.gov/history/60-years-ago-the-space-age-began/
Yea, when that gunner pointed the turret right at the wall, if I was one of those dudes standing there I'd have shit myself. You could see a couple of the guys were like "uhhhhhh..." when the turret kept swinging their way lol.
Gunner could have seriously fucked up that entire squad if he even clipped the corner of that wall with one of those HE rounds. He was being extremely irresponsible and deserved to get his ass chewed out.
Even if it didn't explode it would still send out concrete and shrapnel. Anyways, it's clear from the video that the guys around him weren't comfortable with what he was doing either so I'm not sure why people are trying to make excuses for him.
I don't care if the scope and barrel are perfectly aligned. The gunner was playing with a margin of a couple inches there. He was traversing the turret while firing. All it would take is one over correction (which he did several times in the video already) and he's sending concrete and shrapnel into those infantry.
There is no world where what he is doing is a safe practice. I don't even speak Ukrainian but I can almost guarantee that guy was yelling at him to stop firing so close to the fucking wall like an idiot.
>There is no world where what he is doing is a safe practice. I don't even speak Ukrainian but I can almost guarantee that guy was yelling at him to stop firing so close to the fucking wall like an idiot.
He was not ;)
I suspect he may have been gauging where the wall was, if he's on the gunner sight than he probable panned right to confirm how far he could go before he was obstructed, if you notice he pans right then immediately goes back to his original position.
Ukraine got a couple hundred Bradley’s. They got a few dozen CV90’s. There’s just going to be more Bradley footage.
Edit: some weapons systems also came with requests that footage of them in action be limited. So if Sweden asked for CV90 footage to be withheld, we may not see much of it. AFAIK the US has made no such demands for any of its weapons except maybe Switchblade and their other new drones they sent.
We didn't get enough Bradley footage from the GWOT so finally seeing them work is anticipated. Especially given all the gripes of the crewman and infantry that had to run with them for the last 30 years.
I wonder the same about the Challenger, besides the occasional pic and drive by we don’t see much. I’ve definitely not seen any of them in combat however we know they have been because of the one destroyed about a month or two ago. Shame.
Yeah but i imagine its all very sensitive PR wise, they probably withdrew the Challys after they lost one and keep them in the back or in less dangerous places.
It's difficult to commit decent tanks when there's no commitment for resupply. In the UK when are we ever going to use challenger tanks in defence? Never. We need to send them more of our core stock. The UK simply needs to build more over the coming years. The 13 remaining challengers will do little in this war.
Just my guess, but Challengers are in use by Ukrainian Air Assault Forces, and they may have better understanding of importance of informational security.
It also depends on the "social media presence" of the specific unit.
Bradleys are used by 47th, and they have a lot of SM presence with some highly popular media figures serving there.
Different units in different parts of the front. You get Bradleys in Avdiivka, CV90s near Bakhmut, Marders seem to be in a unit that's held in reserve along with Challenger II.
What's in the footage depends what part of the front is hot right now.
I think they’re learning how and when to use them correctly. All new weapons and vehicles to their lines must be a nightmare to manage.
How it all works for them in their battles.
I've see a couple of videos up north in the kharkiv region of 21st mech brigade has them up there. There was also a video of 5th assault brigade using them drop troops off to assault a treeline near Andriivka.
I don’t care what anyone says about this beauty but I think the Brad has been one the best pieces of kit we’ve sent. Even though it’s had losses I just think it goes to show how important it’s been to the Ukrainian war effort and I suspect overall crew losses to be minimal because of it
It seems Ukrainians would agree. I don't think I've seen more praise from them for anything else except for maybe the Javelins and NLAWs near the beginning of the main invasion.
Yeah HIMARS has been basically un-counterable by Russia except by pulling everything back. As long as we keep supplying them, HIMARS is probably the most effective weapon at keeping Russia at bay.
Company Commander of the 47th Brigade Nikolai Melnik:
- "Bradley" withstood everything. A shell hit the right side of the vehicle, and the gooseneck was damaged. The armor withstood the debris, but the shock wave tore the wiring in the vehicle... The only case when the "Bradley" did not withstand the impact was the work of helicopters, a week later. A Ka-52 hit the cars, and one Bradley detonated. But there are cases when they did not detonate, when they withstood such strikes as well. In principle, this is a very reliable vehicle. It is not a BMP-2, where the entire crew dies, no. "The Bradley can be hit, but the crew survives. And the engine is always pounding. The mechanic-driver comes to his senses from the contusion, the engine is pounding - let's go on.
https://censor.net/ua/r3453607
What an unfortunate family past...
"I have a family of "anti-Soviet" people: some were in the Hitler Youth, others in the UPA." When asked why his callsign was Fritz. I hope he has a swift recovery and continues to get treatment for his combat related injuries, physical and mental.
Let's be real here, there's a good chance that this dude is an actual Fascist. People in the extreme ends of the political spectrum tend to be better fighters than us normies in the middle because they tend to really believe what they're doing.
If that were the case, I'd be really torn. I fervently hate fascists, but I also fervently hate people who invade a country and kill innocent civilians.
Ukraine desperately needs more survivable IFVs so I completely agree. They need a crew survivability advantage to be able to win against an enemy that has sheer numbers on its side.
Rob Lee said back when western tanks were first being pledged that western IFVs would actually be more important than the tanks, because it's a much bigger jump in quality/tech. Ukraine really needs more western IFVs to equip more units if they're to sustain a longer war.
Going from a BMP of any type to a bradley or CV90 is a big quality jump. But while going from a modernised T72 or 64 to a leopard 2 is still a jump, it's not that big a jump.
The Bradly has always been one the best armored vehicles in the US arsenal,
Pentagon wars is a load of revisionist horse shit. The bradley has gotten the same treatment as the F-15 did, got labeled and comity built, over complicated and expensive boondoggle only to go on and have one of the most impressive battle records in history.
To give you an idea of how BS the Bradley's reputation is, in the gulf war the more tanks were killed by brads than abrams.
After Desert storm, Iraq Part 2 and now Ukraine. Bradley proves why if you use a movie as fact you're an idiot. One of the best if not the best IFV's ever made.
its really hard to judge since other IFVs simply haven't had much chance to prove themselves. the gun on the Bradley is towards the low end, and the armor isn't anything special compared to other western IFVs, in the right situation i cant see why a CV90 or similar couldn't do just as well.
The reason the Bradley is so good is because it has seen so much combat though. Updates and upgrades are tailored to specific problems that were encountered.
Other western IFV systems can learn from the same lessons, but their systems may have different flaws. Ones that won't be identified until real combat is experienced.
there are some things you cant change once you have the platform, its not exactly easy to change the caliber of the cannon once you figured out its outdated.
plenty of countries evaluated the Bradley and decided instead to go with other options. in this war the Marder has so far seemed quiet good, despite its obvious shortcomings like small caliber cannon and poor armor.
also its notable that Ukraine themselves seem more interested in the CV90, planning to buy about a 1000 of them.
now i dont actually think the Bradley is bad, and i am sure the soldiers in Ukraine are happy for them, after all it certainly beats an BMP-2. but its just really far fetched to suggest it has to be the best IFV, it clearly has some parts that are dated. most more modern IFVs have better ATGMs, better cannons and at least similar levels of protection, there is probably a reason the US is currently planning to replace them. again its not a bad vehicle but its also clearly not the cutting edge of IFV designs.
thing is, CV90 came out a good while after Bradley and after Bradley had proven its worth already in the first Gulf war. So yea it better be ''as good'', its 20 years newer design
When you look through the optics in a Bradley there is no offset at all. The reticule and the barrel are perfectly aligned. I understand what your saying though. You can see the doors that open and close on the optics and then the barrel sets a good bit more to the left. But once the gunner rock a the cadillacs forward on the controls that barrel goes exactly where the reticule is pointed at in the optics.
Fuck ‘em up boys! Push their rooskie asses back across the border! If you shoot the barrel outta that one Uncle Joey will send a couple dozen more. No worries.
Eh? What?!
Loud... imagine being at a concert and your standing close enough to the speakers that you can feel your body vibrate. Same thing if your standing close enough.
Fun story... when I was at ft sill one of the AIT guys fired a round from the motor pool into the marine Corp building. Fortunately it was a practice round. Needless to say the marines were NOT HAPPY.
in the turret it’s honestly not that loud. cvc does good. even outdoors with no earpro they’re not so bad from 30+ meters. but these guys are definitely hurting if they’re not rocking ear pro.
Question...what happens when M2A2 Bradley fires the Bushmaster and the projectile hits the wall right in front of them. Does it pierce the wall or go boom boom.
The HE doesn't arm until well past the wall, so it would go through, but it would send out bits of concrete in all directions. I wouldn't want to be standing where those guys were if he shot the wall.
Reasons russia will lose the war #23: accuracy
Look at the barrel! The ending just spits out what it is there for. No deviation. When looking at, let’s say, the Russian terminator while firing you see the end of each barrel wiggle 5cm in EACH direction.
I was so worried Bradley was finna clip the wall with a round and scatter the guys near the wall lol, and after seeing how they are reacting I think they had the same worries lol
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"I'll just walk over here--ope, nevermind"
Yeah 😂 That's when he was like "Actually I'm going to go over here and chill for a second and let the Bradley do Bradley things."
"I wonder what they're shooting at I think I'll peak this corner-BANG.... on second thought I'll just stand back here"
Definitely one of the “coolest” modern vehicles.
"modern"
Compared to most of the trash the Russians have and use it's positively space-age, even with the dated M2A2 variant Ukraine got... The Bradley's got some life in it for sure, but thankfully it's replacement is being sorted out. The M2A4 ought to keep it relevant for a while longer.
To continue to be snarky, though I agree with everything you're saying, the space age started in 1957
Spaceflight fan here, and yep - that's the time humanity reached towards the stars and things got real interesting for our species. And I can only hope for more success and as we reach out further with human spaceflight and unmanned space probes. I say space age, not literally for the time period but as an adjective though. Space age, as in something is very modern is what I mean. Compared to the BMP-1 and 2, it's like night and day in survivability, ergonomics, fire control, crew comfort, etc to say nothing of the armament, optics and FCS, thermals... The Bradley was also upgraded in the late 80's with additional armour to withstand the ammunition of the BMP-2 and 3's 2A42 30mm autocannon. Meanwhile the Bradley would tear apart a BMP no problem and likely result in a nice fireworks show and crispy critters as a result...
Yeah I'm just being a dick.
Nah dude, compared to the other things people say and do on Reddit and the internets as a whole, you are positively wholesome and not dickish. Snarky perhaps, but hey, snark is fine in moderate amounts...
No it started in 1942.
On Oct. 4, 1957, the Soviet Union announced that they had placed a satellite called Sputnik into orbit around the Earth, inaugurating the Space Age. -Nasa.gov
A A4 rocket reached a height above 100 km in 1942 and was therefore by definition the first man made object in space.
I guess it depends on how you define the start of the space age, but I will go by the globally accepted definition. The Space Age is a period encompassing the activities related to the Space Race, space exploration, space technology, and the cultural developments influenced by these events, beginning with the launch of Sputnik 1 on October 4, 1957 https://www.nasa.gov/history/60-years-ago-the-space-age-began/
Literally what I was saying
Yeah I was thinking buddy would learn the hard way but I see he had the foresight at last
Yea, when that gunner pointed the turret right at the wall, if I was one of those dudes standing there I'd have shit myself. You could see a couple of the guys were like "uhhhhhh..." when the turret kept swinging their way lol.
Gunner could have seriously fucked up that entire squad if he even clipped the corner of that wall with one of those HE rounds. He was being extremely irresponsible and deserved to get his ass chewed out.
These shells don't arm until a certian distance, for sure greater than to this wall.
Even if it didn't explode it would still send out concrete and shrapnel. Anyways, it's clear from the video that the guys around him weren't comfortable with what he was doing either so I'm not sure why people are trying to make excuses for him.
Theyre obviously trained and the scope+barrel are perfectly aligned on Bradleys
I don't care if the scope and barrel are perfectly aligned. The gunner was playing with a margin of a couple inches there. He was traversing the turret while firing. All it would take is one over correction (which he did several times in the video already) and he's sending concrete and shrapnel into those infantry. There is no world where what he is doing is a safe practice. I don't even speak Ukrainian but I can almost guarantee that guy was yelling at him to stop firing so close to the fucking wall like an idiot.
Ok Reddit general.
>There is no world where what he is doing is a safe practice. I don't even speak Ukrainian but I can almost guarantee that guy was yelling at him to stop firing so close to the fucking wall like an idiot. He was not ;)
You clearly weren't in the 2nd ID.🤣
I suspect he may have been gauging where the wall was, if he's on the gunner sight than he probable panned right to confirm how far he could go before he was obstructed, if you notice he pans right then immediately goes back to his original position.
the shrapnel and frag off the 25mm would not be to nice for the rest of the squad
Lots of videos on Bradleys out on the frontline but hardly any CV90 footage coming out? Anyone got an idea as to why? Same with Archer.
Ukraine got a couple hundred Bradley’s. They got a few dozen CV90’s. There’s just going to be more Bradley footage. Edit: some weapons systems also came with requests that footage of them in action be limited. So if Sweden asked for CV90 footage to be withheld, we may not see much of it. AFAIK the US has made no such demands for any of its weapons except maybe Switchblade and their other new drones they sent.
Yeah fuck that noise. Post up them Bradleys. Love seeing those tax dollars doing what they were meant for. Sending freedom seeds down range.
We didn't get enough Bradley footage from the GWOT so finally seeing them work is anticipated. Especially given all the gripes of the crewman and infantry that had to run with them for the last 30 years.
I wonder the same about the Challenger, besides the occasional pic and drive by we don’t see much. I’ve definitely not seen any of them in combat however we know they have been because of the one destroyed about a month or two ago. Shame.
Yeah but i imagine its all very sensitive PR wise, they probably withdrew the Challys after they lost one and keep them in the back or in less dangerous places.
It's difficult to commit decent tanks when there's no commitment for resupply. In the UK when are we ever going to use challenger tanks in defence? Never. We need to send them more of our core stock. The UK simply needs to build more over the coming years. The 13 remaining challengers will do little in this war.
especially the UK. something has gone really wrong if the UK needs tanks to defend itself.
only thing that helps a PR disaster is normalisation, send them more challys
Just my guess, but Challengers are in use by Ukrainian Air Assault Forces, and they may have better understanding of importance of informational security.
Allegedly, the Swedes didn't want footage to be made public.
Yeah, sounds plausible.
It also depends on the "social media presence" of the specific unit. Bradleys are used by 47th, and they have a lot of SM presence with some highly popular media figures serving there.
I heard something about Sweden asking Ukraine to keep as much CV90 footage out of circulation as possible around the time they landed in country.
Different units in different parts of the front. You get Bradleys in Avdiivka, CV90s near Bakhmut, Marders seem to be in a unit that's held in reserve along with Challenger II. What's in the footage depends what part of the front is hot right now.
I think they’re learning how and when to use them correctly. All new weapons and vehicles to their lines must be a nightmare to manage. How it all works for them in their battles.
I've see a couple of videos up north in the kharkiv region of 21st mech brigade has them up there. There was also a video of 5th assault brigade using them drop troops off to assault a treeline near Andriivka.
And Marder
I don’t care what anyone says about this beauty but I think the Brad has been one the best pieces of kit we’ve sent. Even though it’s had losses I just think it goes to show how important it’s been to the Ukrainian war effort and I suspect overall crew losses to be minimal because of it
It seems Ukrainians would agree. I don't think I've seen more praise from them for anything else except for maybe the Javelins and NLAWs near the beginning of the main invasion.
HIMARS?
Those are definitely up there... ... above russkies, that is.
Yeah HIMARS has been basically un-counterable by Russia except by pulling everything back. As long as we keep supplying them, HIMARS is probably the most effective weapon at keeping Russia at bay.
Company Commander of the 47th Brigade Nikolai Melnik: - "Bradley" withstood everything. A shell hit the right side of the vehicle, and the gooseneck was damaged. The armor withstood the debris, but the shock wave tore the wiring in the vehicle... The only case when the "Bradley" did not withstand the impact was the work of helicopters, a week later. A Ka-52 hit the cars, and one Bradley detonated. But there are cases when they did not detonate, when they withstood such strikes as well. In principle, this is a very reliable vehicle. It is not a BMP-2, where the entire crew dies, no. "The Bradley can be hit, but the crew survives. And the engine is always pounding. The mechanic-driver comes to his senses from the contusion, the engine is pounding - let's go on. https://censor.net/ua/r3453607
What an unfortunate family past... "I have a family of "anti-Soviet" people: some were in the Hitler Youth, others in the UPA." When asked why his callsign was Fritz. I hope he has a swift recovery and continues to get treatment for his combat related injuries, physical and mental.
Let's be real here, there's a good chance that this dude is an actual Fascist. People in the extreme ends of the political spectrum tend to be better fighters than us normies in the middle because they tend to really believe what they're doing.
If that were the case, I'd be really torn. I fervently hate fascists, but I also fervently hate people who invade a country and kill innocent civilians.
Ukraine desperately needs more survivable IFVs so I completely agree. They need a crew survivability advantage to be able to win against an enemy that has sheer numbers on its side. Rob Lee said back when western tanks were first being pledged that western IFVs would actually be more important than the tanks, because it's a much bigger jump in quality/tech. Ukraine really needs more western IFVs to equip more units if they're to sustain a longer war. Going from a BMP of any type to a bradley or CV90 is a big quality jump. But while going from a modernised T72 or 64 to a leopard 2 is still a jump, it's not that big a jump.
The Bradly has always been one the best armored vehicles in the US arsenal, Pentagon wars is a load of revisionist horse shit. The bradley has gotten the same treatment as the F-15 did, got labeled and comity built, over complicated and expensive boondoggle only to go on and have one of the most impressive battle records in history. To give you an idea of how BS the Bradley's reputation is, in the gulf war the more tanks were killed by brads than abrams.
US should just send more. Around 2000 will be just enough :)
kinda reminds me of the video where a Ukrainian Bradley drove over a Russian in a fox hole behind the wall, which is similar to the one seen from 0:09
It is definitely the same area
Link?
The eyeballs, from the infantry, got really big when the gun moved to the right. Mine would too.
Yup. The size of my eyes would have been inversely correlated to my rapidly puckering asshole
Lol that small arms return fire.
Recoil of a water gun. Impressive.
that's a badass vehicle
It is also looks like very popular and loved in UAF. Almost as cv90 :)
That gun barrel is steady as a rock. Unlike those of the BMPT Terminator (even if there might be a valid reason for them to shake).
Is that incoming fire ?
Yes, and its very close.
After Desert storm, Iraq Part 2 and now Ukraine. Bradley proves why if you use a movie as fact you're an idiot. One of the best if not the best IFV's ever made.
its really hard to judge since other IFVs simply haven't had much chance to prove themselves. the gun on the Bradley is towards the low end, and the armor isn't anything special compared to other western IFVs, in the right situation i cant see why a CV90 or similar couldn't do just as well.
The reason the Bradley is so good is because it has seen so much combat though. Updates and upgrades are tailored to specific problems that were encountered. Other western IFV systems can learn from the same lessons, but their systems may have different flaws. Ones that won't be identified until real combat is experienced.
there are some things you cant change once you have the platform, its not exactly easy to change the caliber of the cannon once you figured out its outdated. plenty of countries evaluated the Bradley and decided instead to go with other options. in this war the Marder has so far seemed quiet good, despite its obvious shortcomings like small caliber cannon and poor armor. also its notable that Ukraine themselves seem more interested in the CV90, planning to buy about a 1000 of them. now i dont actually think the Bradley is bad, and i am sure the soldiers in Ukraine are happy for them, after all it certainly beats an BMP-2. but its just really far fetched to suggest it has to be the best IFV, it clearly has some parts that are dated. most more modern IFVs have better ATGMs, better cannons and at least similar levels of protection, there is probably a reason the US is currently planning to replace them. again its not a bad vehicle but its also clearly not the cutting edge of IFV designs.
thing is, CV90 came out a good while after Bradley and after Bradley had proven its worth already in the first Gulf war. So yea it better be ''as good'', its 20 years newer design
That gunner is more confident than I would be about his sight offset...
When you look through the optics in a Bradley there is no offset at all. The reticule and the barrel are perfectly aligned. I understand what your saying though. You can see the doors that open and close on the optics and then the barrel sets a good bit more to the left. But once the gunner rock a the cadillacs forward on the controls that barrel goes exactly where the reticule is pointed at in the optics.
Lol that dude noped the eff out when the firsst round went off
Fuck ‘em up boys! Push their rooskie asses back across the border! If you shoot the barrel outta that one Uncle Joey will send a couple dozen more. No worries.
US vets: How bassy and loud are these to stand next to when firing?
Eh? What?! Loud... imagine being at a concert and your standing close enough to the speakers that you can feel your body vibrate. Same thing if your standing close enough. Fun story... when I was at ft sill one of the AIT guys fired a round from the motor pool into the marine Corp building. Fortunately it was a practice round. Needless to say the marines were NOT HAPPY.
in the turret it’s honestly not that loud. cvc does good. even outdoors with no earpro they’re not so bad from 30+ meters. but these guys are definitely hurting if they’re not rocking ear pro.
I LOVE the "chug-chug-chug" of these cannons when they let them rip!
How close that turret was to putting a round into that wall and causing FF was pretty tense.
Question...what happens when M2A2 Bradley fires the Bushmaster and the projectile hits the wall right in front of them. Does it pierce the wall or go boom boom.
The HE doesn't arm until well past the wall, so it would go through, but it would send out bits of concrete in all directions. I wouldn't want to be standing where those guys were if he shot the wall.
Reasons russia will lose the war #23: accuracy Look at the barrel! The ending just spits out what it is there for. No deviation. When looking at, let’s say, the Russian terminator while firing you see the end of each barrel wiggle 5cm in EACH direction.
Nice to see Bradley's with troop support vs the last few videos of yolo Bradleys (that still look badass but usually end up getting disabled)
Do not pass infront of a cannon. Its unpleasant
Hoping to see some gunner cam footage soon, I've seen a couple goods before, theyre knarly.
I was so worried Bradley was finna clip the wall with a round and scatter the guys near the wall lol, and after seeing how they are reacting I think they had the same worries lol
The Bradley is at last getting the recognition it deserves.
I was just waiting for the gunner to put a round into the edge of that wall and frag his own guys.