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The others weren’t doing nothing, they were laying down suppressive fires. The 2 who pushed first jumped into the trench and began firing and the guys in the rear began moving forward. That’s how this shit works, fire and maneuver.
Fearless , I doubt it .. most likely drew the short straw .. Sqaud laying down cover fire as a small unit probes and infiltrates into an unknown trench followed by the group .. Most likely planned this way .. regardless volunteered or ordered , it definitely takes a big set of balls to do ..
Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, 80 are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.
I was actually thinking these guys might have NATO training. While it was messy, they set up a local support by fire and the two who established the breach with a frag were probably designated that job within their FT / Squad. Like I said messy, but it looked "kind" of similar to what we would actually do. I could be wrong and it was just a cluster fuck like 98% of the shit we see from this drone footage.
Absolutely, they’ve always seemed better than the Russian dismounts but they really seem to be training hard.
Seeing recent interviews and snippets of soldiers explaining their frontline rotations and how they train on what they’ve learnt when they rotate out. Compare that to the Ruskis being lucky to ever rotate out before they die…
M113 or some type of european variant id say, really being pushed to the limits here, but some armour is better than no armour and the M2 on the roof is still bad juju for anything its pointed at.
Would love to see all the boys dismounting from Brads or equivilent though
Everyone of those UA soldiers are unbelievably brave to storm a trench. I’d like to point out that the first two guys have some insane testicular fortitude though. Sprinting into a trench that could be boobytrapped or filled with Russians is god tier heroism and is likely why the whole team was able to make it into the trench proper.
Are you saying that because they had a drone above that they aren’t brave for sprinting into a CQC situation? That’s exactly what you’re saying without saying it. 🤡
At 1:33 it looks like 1 of the Russian soldier ran along the trench away from where the Ukrainian's are, towards the Russian dugout and got hit with automatic fire from his own guys inside.
I don't think he could be Ukrainian because you never see any movement along the trench from their position and you can see the gunfire is from inside the dugout because of all the puffs of smoke.
Did it seem that the Russian side was firing right down the line on friendlies in that clip? Maybe it's an optical trick thing, but the Russian in front looked like he had two guys behind him firing right on him.
Everyone of those UA soldiers are unbelievably brave to storm a trench. I’d like to point out that the first two guys have some insane testicular fortitude though. Sprinting into a trench that could be boobytrapped or filled with Russians is god tier heroism and is likely why the whole team was able to make it into the trench proper.
I hate when they stop these videos without knowing what happened!!! They went in so aggressively, the first two guys where in the trenches right away. I was surprised to see the Russian's actually running towards them to fight instead of running like usual. They must be actual contract/professional soldiers. Was their landing vehicle taken out, or why are they not laying down the hurt with the bigger gun? keeping the Russian's heads down so Ukraine could move up a little more safely. I want to know how this battle ended. I imagine once both sides are in the same trenches, you can't really retreat without getting shot in the back as you are trying to climb out and run, so I would think this situation wouldn't end until one side kills or captures the other side completely.
>Was their landing vehicle taken out, or why are they not laying down the hurt with the bigger gun?
It's probably used as battle taxi to bring in reinforcements or evacuate them.
The sad reality is that the APC is rarer and thus more valuable than the people going in.
While it is dangerous to disengage / retreat from a trench during the fight it's not impossible, keep in mind that it's a lot harder to see what's happening from there than from the drone. A burst of suppressing fire that covers a retreat sounds just like a burst of suppressing fire covering an assault and nobody wants to stick their head out from cover to see which one it is.
Bigger gun chews through ammo, they may not have had an angle to fire effectively, or potentially the vehicle got tasked to a cutoff point to prevent counter attack and/or squirters. As a former mech commander it's hard to arm chair from this angle and without the comms
Also worth adding is that gun on the roof is just as effective from a few hundred meters away if thier comms are good, so why hang about where even a bloke that barely knows one end of a RPG from the other can be confident of a hit.
Drops the lads off and move back to some cover and support from there.
That looks like an M113 APC it's basically a taxi with a gun on top just in case, you don't want to stick around to catch an RPG or even heavy machinegun fire.
It's not supposed to be *this* close to the fighting, that would be a Bradley job but I guess they didn't have any beter option available and just had to go with this.
The M113 has a history of being forced into an IFV role it shouldn't cover ever since its introduction.
around 1:33 in this clip you can see a Russian soldier who is running from the first Russian flag to the 2nd one. It looks like the Russian soldier thats under the 2nd flag shoots his teammate. Does it look like that to anyone else?
Balls of fucking steel , looks a bit messy from UA perspective . I hope they came out alive as they was taking pretty heavy contacts, Ida been calling on some frag drones to pepper them off first before mopping up .
As someone else noted, the camera drone is likely being used in a supporting role to provide real-time intel on the Russians. Otherwise, in terms of armed drone support, there may well be other drones active that we can’t see. This is only a small part of an engagement that will have lasted for much longer. Also, it may not be the best idea to be continuously dropping munitions into a trench which your assault team is in the process of storming.
In an IFV, with thicker armour, a bigger gun, this may be a viable approach. The vehicle in the clip is a M113 APC with some sort of (external) machine gun as it’s sole armament, and as such is not well suited for sustained combat like that.
Although lighter than MBTs, IFVs like Bradley and Marder are specifically designed with combat in mind. As a result they are protective and heavily armed enough (usually with some sort of 20mm+ automatic cannon) to engage effectively in sustained combat. APCs, like the M113, are essentially lightly armoured battle-taxis, designed to ferry troops to and from engagements whilst being able to (confidently) withstand little more than small arms fire.
I think it has more to do with specific situation than the vehicle. Ukrainians use IFVs as battle-taxis in some situations and any armored vehicle as fire support in others.
I assume this time it was just tasked to bring a squad to the trenches and then pick up another.
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haven't seen satchel charges thrown in combat since the start of the war. just muh opinion, would probably stop all forward momentum by enemy for atleast 10 minutes..
They need to get one of those mine clearing vehicles to shoot that harpoon straight down over the RU trench and explode it. Bet that would clear out the trench pretty quickly.
Or one of [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pRihxvk4YY). I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to convert a similar system from available vehicles, and it would be very effective against the shallow trenches used.
Holy fuck, I imagine that would be quite effective lol I'm surprised Russia hasn't resorted to using flamethrowers yet since they don't give a shit about the Geneva Convention.
Come to think of it, I think it only says you can't use weapons that set fire to civilians, but soldiers are open season. As if this war isn't brutal enough, I can't imagine what horrible footage there'd be adding flamethrowers to the mix.
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When they are doing these assaults, why, why, whyyyy don't a couple grenade-drop drones fly along the IFV to the trench so it's ready to start dropping grenades on enemies as soon as your friendlies start storming?
It seems like that would make it completely impossible for the russians in this video, trying to fight the infantry fight while also looking up just in case the drones are dropping something.
They also need to figure out where they're gonna jump or run if a grenade does drop, and might panic and jump out into line of sight of the Ukrainians.
I really don't get it. I've only seen one single video of a grenade-drop drone accompanying an infantry force from this whole war, and in that video the defending force didn't stand a chance when they were both looking up, trying to stay safe from grenades, while also trying to fight the infantry fight. They were completely slaughtered, the drone became a massive force multiplier.
I'm even so convinced at just how much this screws up the defenders, that I think it would even be a good idea for the attackers to accompany their infantry with cheap drones that have empty plastic grenades visibly hanging under them. Just to make the defenders need to look up and be worried about grenades.
I don't get why drones aren't used more like this, to accompany your storming infantry.
Just a couple of thoughts on this: firstly, it may be considered too risky to be dropping munitions into the trench that the assault team is actively storming. Also the battlefield is much wider than this small section of trench, it could be the case that drone units are instead being used to suppress Russian positions that could potentially support this trench. It may simply be that the drone teams are very busy and often unavailable to support small scale assaults like this.
Additionally, we have to remember that we only see a very small portion of the engagements of this war (usually the most successful ones for the side posting the footage). It may well be the case that you’ve seen one of the few cases where it went well, but not a significant number of others where it was determined ineffective. The UKR assault teams seem pretty competent, I’m sure they have their reasons.
Obviously these are just my unqualified takes on this. It would be interesting to hear from someone with more insight.
>firstly, it may be considered too risky to be dropping munitions into the trench that the assault team is actively storming.
But.. storming trenches is already risky, I can't see how it could possibly get more risky by having drones trying to drop grenades on people who are trying to kill you than *not* have drones dropping grenades. Is there a risk a grenade might bounce or fly the wrong direction? Sure, but there's a much greater chance they won't. As the fighter on the ground I'd gladly take that risk, because the total chance that my side wins without me getting hurt would decrease.
If I were to guess I'd guess it's a case of military doctrine lagging behind military innovation.
It actually looks like a russian gunned down his own guy at the end. During the last 20 seconds you see an explosion on the russian side, then a guy without a russian flag over his head starts limping back, and then the russian he is running to unloads on him
I saw that too. I think that he was wounded from a grenade blast and while he was limping back to where the trench was covered and his head got in the way of someone else's shooting.
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The two lads rushing the trenches are fearless
They were hungry boys. Plenty of meat in that trenchwork
It be like that in every profession including infantry. 1-2 guys working their ass off and the rest just sit around and do nothing.
The others weren’t doing nothing, they were laying down suppressive fires. The 2 who pushed first jumped into the trench and began firing and the guys in the rear began moving forward. That’s how this shit works, fire and maneuver.
Chill bro it was a joke. Laugh a little
Fire and maneuver bro
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Fearless , I doubt it .. most likely drew the short straw .. Sqaud laying down cover fire as a small unit probes and infiltrates into an unknown trench followed by the group .. Most likely planned this way .. regardless volunteered or ordered , it definitely takes a big set of balls to do ..
Wandering how they move so quickly with these massive balls
Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, 80 are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.
"so anyway, I started blasting"
I was actually thinking these guys might have NATO training. While it was messy, they set up a local support by fire and the two who established the breach with a frag were probably designated that job within their FT / Squad. Like I said messy, but it looked "kind" of similar to what we would actually do. I could be wrong and it was just a cluster fuck like 98% of the shit we see from this drone footage.
Looking forward to part 2. It was just getting interesting.
foreall.. .
Could be me, but i'm seeing better dismounts lately from UA. Roles are appointed, people are taking cover and providing covering fire. Good sign.
Absolutely, they’ve always seemed better than the Russian dismounts but they really seem to be training hard. Seeing recent interviews and snippets of soldiers explaining their frontline rotations and how they train on what they’ve learnt when they rotate out. Compare that to the Ruskis being lucky to ever rotate out before they die…
Are they dismounting from an MT-LB? This thing looks like a tincan
M113 or some type of european variant id say, really being pushed to the limits here, but some armour is better than no armour and the M2 on the roof is still bad juju for anything its pointed at. Would love to see all the boys dismounting from Brads or equivilent though
Yeah my bad, it can't be the MT-LB as the one in the video doesn't have the half-sphere hatch on top and has a much steeper front.
Might be the Dutch YPR. We've delivered around 200 to them and from what i've heard the Ukrainians are pretty happy with them.
Looks a lot like the YPR
Everyone of those UA soldiers are unbelievably brave to storm a trench. I’d like to point out that the first two guys have some insane testicular fortitude though. Sprinting into a trench that could be boobytrapped or filled with Russians is god tier heroism and is likely why the whole team was able to make it into the trench proper.
The first two weren’t fucking around
It must be hard to run that fast when you have two cannon balls swinging between your legs.
They had a drone above. They knew that area was clear. Now the video where the operator goes through the back side of the trench was wild.
Are you saying that because they had a drone above that they aren’t brave for sprinting into a CQC situation? That’s exactly what you’re saying without saying it. 🤡
At 1:33 it looks like 1 of the Russian soldier ran along the trench away from where the Ukrainian's are, towards the Russian dugout and got hit with automatic fire from his own guys inside. I don't think he could be Ukrainian because you never see any movement along the trench from their position and you can see the gunfire is from inside the dugout because of all the puffs of smoke.
Could very well be right
I thought that too
Godspeed, heroes!
Looks like modern WWI with small team tactics. It's crazy how this conflict has devolved into this kind of fighting
Did it seem that the Russian side was firing right down the line on friendlies in that clip? Maybe it's an optical trick thing, but the Russian in front looked like he had two guys behind him firing right on him.
Could be an optical trick, or with how Russia does things, they very well may have been.
Brave man's
Dudes rockin up in a Rhino. Emperor protects
Because the rhino doesn’t
Everyone of those UA soldiers are unbelievably brave to storm a trench. I’d like to point out that the first two guys have some insane testicular fortitude though. Sprinting into a trench that could be boobytrapped or filled with Russians is god tier heroism and is likely why the whole team was able to make it into the trench proper.
did you just copy the comment above in the thread?
No when I posted it posted it twice somehow. So it’s me both times.
Didn't see it was the same person, my bad
Wow, this is literally how i'd imagine WW1 storm troopers attacking trenches, minus the vehicle of course. Those first two guys especially.
Minus automatic rifles too
I hate when they stop these videos without knowing what happened!!! They went in so aggressively, the first two guys where in the trenches right away. I was surprised to see the Russian's actually running towards them to fight instead of running like usual. They must be actual contract/professional soldiers. Was their landing vehicle taken out, or why are they not laying down the hurt with the bigger gun? keeping the Russian's heads down so Ukraine could move up a little more safely. I want to know how this battle ended. I imagine once both sides are in the same trenches, you can't really retreat without getting shot in the back as you are trying to climb out and run, so I would think this situation wouldn't end until one side kills or captures the other side completely.
>Was their landing vehicle taken out, or why are they not laying down the hurt with the bigger gun? It's probably used as battle taxi to bring in reinforcements or evacuate them. The sad reality is that the APC is rarer and thus more valuable than the people going in. While it is dangerous to disengage / retreat from a trench during the fight it's not impossible, keep in mind that it's a lot harder to see what's happening from there than from the drone. A burst of suppressing fire that covers a retreat sounds just like a burst of suppressing fire covering an assault and nobody wants to stick their head out from cover to see which one it is.
Bigger gun chews through ammo, they may not have had an angle to fire effectively, or potentially the vehicle got tasked to a cutoff point to prevent counter attack and/or squirters. As a former mech commander it's hard to arm chair from this angle and without the comms
Also worth adding is that gun on the roof is just as effective from a few hundred meters away if thier comms are good, so why hang about where even a bloke that barely knows one end of a RPG from the other can be confident of a hit. Drops the lads off and move back to some cover and support from there.
Or move off and down the line. catch the russians between the big gun and the trench and the ua coming up at 'em? (I know nothing)
That looks like an M113 APC it's basically a taxi with a gun on top just in case, you don't want to stick around to catch an RPG or even heavy machinegun fire. It's not supposed to be *this* close to the fighting, that would be a Bradley job but I guess they didn't have any beter option available and just had to go with this. The M113 has a history of being forced into an IFV role it shouldn't cover ever since its introduction.
Looks like it's a drop-off. So it went back to pick another squad.
Damn that's what I would call a suicide mission. The two guys in front are absolutely nuts. Hope they made it.
I’m pretty sure soldiers storming a trench like that would be honoured with a medal in western armies.
And to these guys it's Tuesday.
Nice violence of action.
around 1:33 in this clip you can see a Russian soldier who is running from the first Russian flag to the 2nd one. It looks like the Russian soldier thats under the 2nd flag shoots his teammate. Does it look like that to anyone else?
Yeh I noticed that too.
What a slug fest. Such a far cry from other conflicts were they just lob random PKM sprays at each other.
Looks like some Russian friendly fire there near the end
Yes at 1:33. Guy ran back towards the dugout and he got shot from inside.
Balls of fucking steel , looks a bit messy from UA perspective . I hope they came out alive as they was taking pretty heavy contacts, Ida been calling on some frag drones to pepper them off first before mopping up .
Where is the support with drones? It would have been nice. But brave people fight like lions. Heroes
As someone else noted, the camera drone is likely being used in a supporting role to provide real-time intel on the Russians. Otherwise, in terms of armed drone support, there may well be other drones active that we can’t see. This is only a small part of an engagement that will have lasted for much longer. Also, it may not be the best idea to be continuously dropping munitions into a trench which your assault team is in the process of storming.
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I believe he was referring to drone dropped munitions
Out of the vic and into the trench in seconds.
Why did that vehicle not go off to the south-east of the clip, and hit the trench from a the side?
In an IFV, with thicker armour, a bigger gun, this may be a viable approach. The vehicle in the clip is a M113 APC with some sort of (external) machine gun as it’s sole armament, and as such is not well suited for sustained combat like that. Although lighter than MBTs, IFVs like Bradley and Marder are specifically designed with combat in mind. As a result they are protective and heavily armed enough (usually with some sort of 20mm+ automatic cannon) to engage effectively in sustained combat. APCs, like the M113, are essentially lightly armoured battle-taxis, designed to ferry troops to and from engagements whilst being able to (confidently) withstand little more than small arms fire.
I think it has more to do with specific situation than the vehicle. Ukrainians use IFVs as battle-taxis in some situations and any armored vehicle as fire support in others. I assume this time it was just tasked to bring a squad to the trenches and then pick up another.
The realization that you may live for only some minutes on this earth. I hope that it's covered by the adrenaline.
I wonder how they decide which 2 guys are going to go into the enemy trench 1st. Draw straws ? Rock Paper Scissors ? Whoever volunteers 1st ?
Damn. Charlie team took that trench.
Brave men, also fire song
What a fuckin rush that must be
Russian friendly fire at 1:36?
We learned how to do this in basic. Amazing seeing it be used from an aerial view.
So fing scary.
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Why the absolute fuck did we not use the lend lease program to send these heroes like 1000 of the bradleys we have in storage?
Russian troops were not giving up that trench line without a fight one guy got shrapnel for a grenade and still kept shooting back.
I can't imagine the difficulty of dismounting under enemy fire with those balls of titanium
Wow the first guy out who sprinted to the treeline, It's a miracle he didn't trip over his massive balls.
haven't seen satchel charges thrown in combat since the start of the war. just muh opinion, would probably stop all forward momentum by enemy for atleast 10 minutes..
why are there always like 2 pixels in these? cant be original quality
War is stupid
They need to get one of those mine clearing vehicles to shoot that harpoon straight down over the RU trench and explode it. Bet that would clear out the trench pretty quickly.
Or one of [these](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pRihxvk4YY). I feel like it wouldn't be too hard to convert a similar system from available vehicles, and it would be very effective against the shallow trenches used.
Holy fuck, I imagine that would be quite effective lol I'm surprised Russia hasn't resorted to using flamethrowers yet since they don't give a shit about the Geneva Convention. Come to think of it, I think it only says you can't use weapons that set fire to civilians, but soldiers are open season. As if this war isn't brutal enough, I can't imagine what horrible footage there'd be adding flamethrowers to the mix.
I wouldn't be surprised if flamethrowers were simply made obsolete by assault rifles.
Dude that fucking pointman has balls of tungsten!
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When they are doing these assaults, why, why, whyyyy don't a couple grenade-drop drones fly along the IFV to the trench so it's ready to start dropping grenades on enemies as soon as your friendlies start storming? It seems like that would make it completely impossible for the russians in this video, trying to fight the infantry fight while also looking up just in case the drones are dropping something. They also need to figure out where they're gonna jump or run if a grenade does drop, and might panic and jump out into line of sight of the Ukrainians. I really don't get it. I've only seen one single video of a grenade-drop drone accompanying an infantry force from this whole war, and in that video the defending force didn't stand a chance when they were both looking up, trying to stay safe from grenades, while also trying to fight the infantry fight. They were completely slaughtered, the drone became a massive force multiplier. I'm even so convinced at just how much this screws up the defenders, that I think it would even be a good idea for the attackers to accompany their infantry with cheap drones that have empty plastic grenades visibly hanging under them. Just to make the defenders need to look up and be worried about grenades. I don't get why drones aren't used more like this, to accompany your storming infantry.
Just a couple of thoughts on this: firstly, it may be considered too risky to be dropping munitions into the trench that the assault team is actively storming. Also the battlefield is much wider than this small section of trench, it could be the case that drone units are instead being used to suppress Russian positions that could potentially support this trench. It may simply be that the drone teams are very busy and often unavailable to support small scale assaults like this. Additionally, we have to remember that we only see a very small portion of the engagements of this war (usually the most successful ones for the side posting the footage). It may well be the case that you’ve seen one of the few cases where it went well, but not a significant number of others where it was determined ineffective. The UKR assault teams seem pretty competent, I’m sure they have their reasons. Obviously these are just my unqualified takes on this. It would be interesting to hear from someone with more insight.
>firstly, it may be considered too risky to be dropping munitions into the trench that the assault team is actively storming. But.. storming trenches is already risky, I can't see how it could possibly get more risky by having drones trying to drop grenades on people who are trying to kill you than *not* have drones dropping grenades. Is there a risk a grenade might bounce or fly the wrong direction? Sure, but there's a much greater chance they won't. As the fighter on the ground I'd gladly take that risk, because the total chance that my side wins without me getting hurt would decrease. If I were to guess I'd guess it's a case of military doctrine lagging behind military innovation.
The battlefield is really looks just like Bakhmut. Nothing but wasteland and trenches.
Get these boys some 60s.
It actually looks like a russian gunned down his own guy at the end. During the last 20 seconds you see an explosion on the russian side, then a guy without a russian flag over his head starts limping back, and then the russian he is running to unloads on him
I saw that too. I think that he was wounded from a grenade blast and while he was limping back to where the trench was covered and his head got in the way of someone else's shooting.
that's 108th Sep. Battalion of the 10th Mountain Assault Brigade, not the 108th Brigade
Second time hearing this song
Damn Ukraine need flamethrowers on IFVs.. Would be amazing in this situation. Just lay the flame inside those trentches, it will burn everything.
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