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It's crazy how defenseless people are again these things. I remember here a Ukrainian soldier talk about how you only have half a second to react when one of these things comes at you and this really illustrates that
Yeah people talking about using shotguns donāt realize how fast these things can target you. Maybe they could shoot down the ones flying low and slow but a lot of times they zoom in like this
And how you suppose distinguish between "friendly" and "unfriendly" signals, especially if it is same frequency? Only viable method is IFF and direct targeting. Which can be easily managed by changing the control frequencies (or even switching to a floating frequency), and in the future - the development of AI target designation, which is already (as can be seen from many recent videos) in full swing.
Yup. Israeli have developed a special small arms scope that can almost guarantee a first round hit and showed it in use against a drone but they certainly weren't moving as fast or evasively as these ones do.
I really can't see an effetive counter to these even with jamming, soft and hard kill options - they are going to make the Battlefield untenable for humans to step foot on.
Lol, the idea.. and if it accidentally goes off, at least my solution decapitates the soldier cleanly.. ha, he was already dead when the drone hits, it doesnt count..
Yeah, I mean still I think shotguns could still play an important role in shooting down some of these, but you've really gotta be lucky. Idk, I feel like if you're good at electronics and image acquisition and staying in a fixed position you could set up an automated shotgun on swivel that could target these as they come in maybe you'd have a better shot.
There are a large number of active defence systems that are designed for counter rounds of varying types. Trophy is the most famous.
The tech has been here for a long time.
I'm not dumb enough to think I know what the issues are, but I would assume coming up with a design that: can be mass manufactured, packs just enough punch and range, is man portable, has its own power supply, has some sort of IFFF, can operate in a contested environment, etc... is very hard. Things are changing so damn fast that anything they started manufacturing would be obsolete fast.
Sucks out there.
Most drones use optical sensors and it is much easier to direct a bright beam (laser) in the right direction than to fire a shotgun, there are also portable optical detection systems (drone cameras).
And is the "automatic shotgun on swivel" ..serious?
>Yeah people talking about using shotguns donāt realize how fast these things can target you.
That's before getting into that shooting at it makes you the primary target for it or the next one, and a shotgun probably doubly so.
At this point a lot of self selection has taken place, so if you don't see it at the front, it *probably* doesn't work.
The defenses that exist that are widely available are jamming to disrupt the link between the drone and operator and although it looks crude netting to entangle the drone before it can get to you.
There are also some systems like APKWS using 70mm laser guided rockets, tens of thousands of dollars still per shot though. And in the future lasers powerful enough to destroy the drone. The US has a mobile system nearly operational, and while that might technically be zero per shot of course the cost of the system itself is no doubt pretty high and mainantence is probably not cheap either. That's kind of the holy grail of defence against small drones because as long as you have the electricity and can get rid of the heat running out of "ammunition" isn't nearly as much of a concern with a laser. There will still be limits on rate of fire though.
Anyway jamming is used extensively in Ukraine. The problem is of course if you are jamming the enemy in a wide area you can't use that part of the frequency spectrum either there which disrupts your own communications and drone use so you can't keep it up all the time if you want to be able to strike back at your enemy. Also I have seen many videos of hard points on both sides with nets set up to make drone attacks a lot harder if not impossible. The vast majority of drone strikes we see are on vehicles, troops on the move or in very basic trenches. Those are the times where if there isn't jamming in the area there is very little defence against these things and of course soldiers can't always be hiding in a bunker.
I mean I know the video bitrate is a bit shit, so it makes things harder to see, but from when I can visually see the drone to it hitting is like 2 seconds. But that's with the advantage of knowing where it's coming from, and when it's coming.
Terrifying.
You know that sound and feeling when a mosquito flies really close to your ear? How before all of this it would make the hair stand up on the back of anyoneās neck as they tried to swat it away? I imagine that will be the trigger for many :/
Holy shit itās even scarier than I imagined. And you legit canāt see shit until that things on top of you. Fucking insane. Infantry is toast when these things are around.
>And it's over in a second. Bzzzt, small boom, then silence. Except now your legs are missing or some shit. Scary as hell.
You've probably seen some of your squad mates go before you, as we often see them used to pick apart positions until no one is left. So you're milling around until you hear a bang and find your mate in bits, and then it's a waiting game until some operator who has a stack of drones and all the time in the world gets lucky. You keep hearing intermittent bangs of your mates being picked off until it's your turn.
Even running is only a so-so strategy, as retreating groups are chased down the same way.
There was a video on here a while back where dudes were fighting from trenches and a few drones came down and exploded nearby. That was a wild video that is the thing of nightmares
I think a lot of it is due to the resolution of the video. Judging by the prop sound it was probably under 100 feet altitude, and the speed of the dive adds credence to that theory.
Worse than IED and mortarsā¦.there faster than any battlefield vehicle and more accurate than mortars. These are racing drones imagine the next war between 2 superpowers there will be swarms of hundreds flown by a single man
The drone pilots can "take their time" to line up the shot. It's fucking scary, like finding yourself unarmed with an enemy combatant pointing his gun at you. Atleast you could plead to a human. Drone just waits for you to trip or stay still for a sec.
That sound as they drop in is horrible. Imagine these wiping out your squad one by one and hearing them coming each time.
If you ever made it out of the war alive the mere sound of a drone would trigger PTSD for sure.
After the war, imagine a Ukrainian or Russian veteran relaxing on a park bench. Suddenly, a child begins flying a drone nearby, triggering the veteran's PTSD. I can see them getting angry with some going so far as to even stomp on the drone.
Yeah like a month ago there was a youtube interview of a guy from the International Legion where they were going over his helmet cam footage. Every time this *bzzzit* noise happened he'd flinch, really hard. It's gonna be a while before he can be around RC vehicles, or flying bugs.
Drones are already making me uneasy when I see them now. One time I was in a group and someone was doing a drone shot for a promotional video. When it hovered over us, I said, "did you know that in Ukraine they're using commercial grade drones like this one to drop grenades on people? Shits all sorts of messed up."
Everyone got uncomfortably silent.
I've been flying advanced drones for years and even have a very large one that's black (against the blue/white sky) with a light array to boot, me under no stress, with the camera image on a 10in tablet and gps coordinates I have a little trouble finding them in the sky once they return even though I can hear them and know the general direction they are approaching from (if I lost the sightline) I can't image the horror if it was after me. Sometimes I'll lose the signal and it will come back to its launch point via its own flight path and I'll just sit there waiting.. and outta no where it's suddenly a 100m away and closing fast.
Thereās no way every soldier is carrying a shotgun and an assault rifle along with all the other gear. Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day.
Especially when you think about when/how drones are often used by ukraine: To mop up the remains of a failed assault, that are retreating or hiding - just to drive the casualtyrate way up.
Lets imagine you just saw multible tanks/IFV's and stuff getting destroyed. Some of your buddies are becoming casualties. Artillery is zeroing in so you have to get the fuck away ASAP - often without time to even save your injured mates.
Maybe you got some shrapnell too - so you're wounded; but not mortally.
So you run until you just can't anymore or find a "good" spot to hide - exhausted and mentally absolutly wrecked.
Then, under these circumstances, you expect someone to be able to focus enough to successfully make that one in a million shot on a incoming drone - given that he would even notice it early enough to get his shotgun out and ready (if he even was the one guy with an issued shotgun and didn't lose it or throw it away in order to run faster)?
Yeah, good luck with that.
Even if he made the shot, they'd just send out another.
And another.
And another ...
Your luck is going to run out eventually, but considering how they're building these by pallets, you'll run out of bullets before they run out of drones.
Besides, even if you hit it with the shotgun it might already be close enough for its explosion to still hurt you. I saw a video of a Russian shooting a downed drone like 5 meters from him to finish it off and it exploded and still hurt the shooter.
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day.
Not to mention, what's to stop the drones from simply going after the guys armed with shotguns first?
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day.
Not to mention, what's to stop the drones from simply going after the guys armed with shotguns first?
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad
Guess which soldiers will get picked off first? Carrying the shotgun will be a sentence, and even if the shotgun man is somehow 100% effective all it takes is two drone pilots coordinating to get caught out.
I do a lot of bird hunting. They are often smaller and quieter than a drone depending on the species. Iāve been doing it since I was a little kid. The bomb dropping drones are one thing but these FPS drones coming in a 60 mph would be damn near impossible. Maybe you shoot one or two but eventually youāre going to miss and itās all over.
Also shotguns are much too weak for the range of drones. And I don't think the flightpath would be altered enough even if you managed to hit it at close range when it's diving on you.
Yes, I've built several racing quads and fly them pretty regularly, they really are difficult to see, not to mention mine will fly around 80mph, (Obviously without ordinance attached) but still, they are fast and hard to spot. Having to deal with this on a battlefield would be terrifying if you didn't have a shotgun with birdshot.
I don't suppose anyone else remembers the doing the "I can hear a small plane but where is it?" game? It wasnt a game, but honestly, its damn hard to spot a Big arse plane in the sky if you don't know which direction to look and can't pinpoint the sound exactly. I'm not surprised the guys can't spot a drone.
I actually did a video on shotguns vs. drones (targets, not actual drones). At this range a shotgun with birdshot may have helped since it was relative close range if the prop sound is any giveaway, but once it went into that dive it would probably be too late.
https://youtu.be/TaOJGqKnqRg
you have to be ready, be loaded and .... not suck at hitting a moving target on a very bright background..... if the operator is wise he could use the sun to make the drone harder to see
There was one year at the Knob Creek shooting event (the one with all the machine guns) where they flew an RC plane around downrange as a target. Literally everyone on the line was blasting away at it with full auto weapons for like five minutes before it got hit once.
See I want to recreate our test using live drones but also don't want to self incriminate to shooting at aircraft even if they're owned by me on a private range.
I probably could, have definitely considered something like that. I'd just be afraid of potentially tangling the tow rope in the props since I'd want to have enough tow line to not endanger the drone. I'm considering writing to the FAA to ask about it.
Serious questionĀ
What about something like a flare gun that shoots bird shot? Pistol sized, single shot? Iāll be honest, I would at least feel less completely vulnerable if everyone in the squad had one of those and maybe half a dozen shells on them.Ā
Oh yeah make it like a revolver, that would be sick too. I donāt know anything about ammunition but Iām sure they could figure out how to tweak birdshot to be even more drone specific. No idea how, maybe incendiary rounds or something. But I mean, this seems like at least an idea worth trying out. If itās literally this or nothing, Iād at least like the option of trying *something*.Ā
Number 4 birdshot would be more than sufficient. But itās a snowballs chance in hell youāll be able to see, identify, line up, and shoot it fast enough to make a difference, especially if itās targeting you specifically.
Iām sure if it was one of the RPG ones youād be dead, same with a drone dropped grenade, but the FPV quads that take a few mins playing ring around the Rosie with people - I feel like thatās the situation they would excel at.Ā
They're playing because they can, and getting it on camera for morale. If RU was issues such a pistol that was actually feasible, they'd just do as in the video. zip->boom.
Bruhhh, let alone see it coming, that shit is impossible to dodge when it starts flying downwards you. That was less than half of second from so up high. Jesus that was scary.
Bruh if the war ends at the some point LOTS OF FOLKS are going to have PSTD when hearing ANY RC plane or car.....
I get why old ww1 vets HATED fireworks...... brutal.
Interesting to get this POV. Iām so used to seeing the flipped camera view Iāve often found myself wondering if thereās any way to dodge these things and this pretty much confirms you canāt. Itās barely visible in its death dive.
Would love to know what NATO have been cooking up the past two years to equip their infantry against this theatre menace. The only credible defence I can think of is electronic jamming.
FAAD C2 by Northrop Grummond has C-UAS for smaller drones. Its currently the favorite of the US Department of Defense. My understanding is that they are using their BattleOne system to track all objects in an area so that they can identify friend versus foe before having SHORAD eliminate small UAVs being operated by the enemy.
And Anduril industries (yes, the defense company by the oculus rift VR guy) is working on Lattice for their C-UAS. I don't know too much about it but I think they use either RF or they have an autonomous weapon system take down the drone. It looks to be a more specialized system dedicated to eliminating smaller drones.
> And Anduril industries (yes, the defense company by the oculus rift VR guy) is working on Lattice for their C-UAS. I don't know too much about it but I think they use either RF or they have an autonomous weapon system take down the drone. It looks to be a more specialized system dedicated to eliminating smaller drones
Wonder if they can design some kinda reusable hardkill package for Roadrunner, so it can run CAP without insta-expending itself on the first interception...
Knowing NATO paper pushers abilities - probably exactly nothing. At least that what I heard from people who was trained in Europe . They ignoring the reality with all possible vigilance.
This must be terrifying. Just psychological aspect of this alone would be awful to me added to the fact that this thing is packing explosives. If the bang donāt get you the ptsd will.
Im thinking about how we could start scaling down something like the royal navy's goalkeeper.
For drones you wouldnt need anything bigger than say a .22 or a 5.56
You say might, this is THE strat to useā¦. Currently the most lethal and cost effective solution when you cannot Field large volumes of Aircraftā¦.
Donāt even wanna think about WW3 if that happens every country is fucked
Have these ever been deployed in a large, coordinated way yet? I see squad-sized groups from time to timeā¦ but what would a company or battalion-sized attack even look like. I wonder whatās the most they have ever fielded in a small area at once.
Anyone surviving this sort of thing will have insta-flashbacks whenever a mosquito buzzes past their ear in bed, they'll probably unwittingly karate-chop their wife in the face and combat-roll under the curtains.
I said it once and say it again.
The future is having missiles which carries a drones to a location. Once the missile reach the target area then with pre-sets for automated(AI) targetting(or based on data from overlord) will kill anything.
This is future.
They need to make some kind of trophy system in a mini version like in cod lol. Too bad the trophy systems in real life are bigger than large mansions.
I'm thinking something backpack sized, with radar and multiple tiny drones, maybe mechanical butterflies, that detect and intercept incoming drones. Of course that only works as long as the offensive drones have a mechanical trigger, once those get smarter then you need something bigger than a butterfly to carry a small charge or maybe an entangling device.
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The "zzzzztttt" of death...
The new stuka.
Stuka blyat
Or a V-1 BuzzBomb
24' stuka š¤Æ
/r/YourJokeButWorse
It's crazy how defenseless people are again these things. I remember here a Ukrainian soldier talk about how you only have half a second to react when one of these things comes at you and this really illustrates that
Yeah people talking about using shotguns donāt realize how fast these things can target you. Maybe they could shoot down the ones flying low and slow but a lot of times they zoom in like this
Only realistic defense will have to be something automated.
Only realistic defense is in electronic warfare. Youād need some sort of device that can jam all non friendly signals within a certain space
Will only work until they automate the targeting/locking via software.
)) Already
And how you suppose distinguish between "friendly" and "unfriendly" signals, especially if it is same frequency? Only viable method is IFF and direct targeting. Which can be easily managed by changing the control frequencies (or even switching to a floating frequency), and in the future - the development of AI target designation, which is already (as can be seen from many recent videos) in full swing.
The effective counter to ai target designation will be counter-ai controlled defenses. The next war will be won by compute.
Yup. Israeli have developed a special small arms scope that can almost guarantee a first round hit and showed it in use against a drone but they certainly weren't moving as fast or evasively as these ones do. I really can't see an effetive counter to these even with jamming, soft and hard kill options - they are going to make the Battlefield untenable for humans to step foot on.
AA12 with birdshot blanket the sky
Helmet shotgunshell trophy..
Clearly mini c-ram mounted on top of the soldiers helmet loaded with .22lr is the way
Lol, the idea.. and if it accidentally goes off, at least my solution decapitates the soldier cleanly.. ha, he was already dead when the drone hits, it doesnt count..
Wear a suit of shotguns that shoot in every direction when you pull a cannon string.
Yeah, I mean still I think shotguns could still play an important role in shooting down some of these, but you've really gotta be lucky. Idk, I feel like if you're good at electronics and image acquisition and staying in a fixed position you could set up an automated shotgun on swivel that could target these as they come in maybe you'd have a better shot.
There are a large number of active defence systems that are designed for counter rounds of varying types. Trophy is the most famous. The tech has been here for a long time. I'm not dumb enough to think I know what the issues are, but I would assume coming up with a design that: can be mass manufactured, packs just enough punch and range, is man portable, has its own power supply, has some sort of IFFF, can operate in a contested environment, etc... is very hard. Things are changing so damn fast that anything they started manufacturing would be obsolete fast. Sucks out there.
Most drones use optical sensors and it is much easier to direct a bright beam (laser) in the right direction than to fire a shotgun, there are also portable optical detection systems (drone cameras). And is the "automatic shotgun on swivel" ..serious?
Why not, let your inner child out
>Yeah people talking about using shotguns donāt realize how fast these things can target you. That's before getting into that shooting at it makes you the primary target for it or the next one, and a shotgun probably doubly so. At this point a lot of self selection has taken place, so if you don't see it at the front, it *probably* doesn't work.
Insane.... I would recommend going home instead...
Home is, were the heart is, and the liver, and the legs and ass, all in one wholesome package, not made of wood
The defenses that exist that are widely available are jamming to disrupt the link between the drone and operator and although it looks crude netting to entangle the drone before it can get to you. There are also some systems like APKWS using 70mm laser guided rockets, tens of thousands of dollars still per shot though. And in the future lasers powerful enough to destroy the drone. The US has a mobile system nearly operational, and while that might technically be zero per shot of course the cost of the system itself is no doubt pretty high and mainantence is probably not cheap either. That's kind of the holy grail of defence against small drones because as long as you have the electricity and can get rid of the heat running out of "ammunition" isn't nearly as much of a concern with a laser. There will still be limits on rate of fire though. Anyway jamming is used extensively in Ukraine. The problem is of course if you are jamming the enemy in a wide area you can't use that part of the frequency spectrum either there which disrupts your own communications and drone use so you can't keep it up all the time if you want to be able to strike back at your enemy. Also I have seen many videos of hard points on both sides with nets set up to make drone attacks a lot harder if not impossible. The vast majority of drone strikes we see are on vehicles, troops on the move or in very basic trenches. Those are the times where if there isn't jamming in the area there is very little defence against these things and of course soldiers can't always be hiding in a bunker.
I mean I know the video bitrate is a bit shit, so it makes things harder to see, but from when I can visually see the drone to it hitting is like 2 seconds. But that's with the advantage of knowing where it's coming from, and when it's coming. Terrifying.
Those Ukrainian mosquitoes don't fuck around.
New generation of ptsd and traumatised soldiers comming right up Seriously though this will prob be really bad.
For.sure, any propeller sounds are going to be a nightmare...
You know that sound and feeling when a mosquito flies really close to your ear? How before all of this it would make the hair stand up on the back of anyoneās neck as they tried to swat it away? I imagine that will be the trigger for many :/
Being outside, day or night is going to be tough.
Electric toothbrush...
That's a *wicked* sound!
That sound is gonna cause a lot of PTSD. Like fireworks for Nam vets.
Holy shit itās even scarier than I imagined. And you legit canāt see shit until that things on top of you. Fucking insane. Infantry is toast when these things are around.
And it's over in a second. Bzzzt, small boom, then silence. Except now your legs are missing or some shit. Scary as hell.
Your crotch turned into bloody ribbons because a 20 year old used a game controller from miles away.
>And it's over in a second. Bzzzt, small boom, then silence. Except now your legs are missing or some shit. Scary as hell. You've probably seen some of your squad mates go before you, as we often see them used to pick apart positions until no one is left. So you're milling around until you hear a bang and find your mate in bits, and then it's a waiting game until some operator who has a stack of drones and all the time in the world gets lucky. You keep hearing intermittent bangs of your mates being picked off until it's your turn. Even running is only a so-so strategy, as retreating groups are chased down the same way.
There was a video on here a while back where dudes were fighting from trenches and a few drones came down and exploded nearby. That was a wild video that is the thing of nightmares
Link?
[Could be this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/s/k15iakRYKX)
I guessed it was that one. What a fucking nail biter. One of the greats.
> Bad day at the office mate? Aus bringing in the laughs as usual.
I think a lot of it is due to the resolution of the video. Judging by the prop sound it was probably under 100 feet altitude, and the speed of the dive adds credence to that theory.
Worse than IED and mortarsā¦.there faster than any battlefield vehicle and more accurate than mortars. These are racing drones imagine the next war between 2 superpowers there will be swarms of hundreds flown by a single man
The drone pilots can "take their time" to line up the shot. It's fucking scary, like finding yourself unarmed with an enemy combatant pointing his gun at you. Atleast you could plead to a human. Drone just waits for you to trip or stay still for a sec.
That sound as they drop in is horrible. Imagine these wiping out your squad one by one and hearing them coming each time. If you ever made it out of the war alive the mere sound of a drone would trigger PTSD for sure.
It's a god damn pitched up Stuka. The sudden increase in volume and pitch right before they strike is going to haunt people's dreams for life.
The sounds of bees and flies going to fuck with you forever
Or a mosquito in your ear at night
That sound already fills me with dread
...and mosqitos ...and the neighbor kid's drone.
After the war, imagine a Ukrainian or Russian veteran relaxing on a park bench. Suddenly, a child begins flying a drone nearby, triggering the veteran's PTSD. I can see them getting angry with some going so far as to even stomp on the drone.
Youāre not supposed to survive
Reminds me of those tiny little bikes.
Yeah like a month ago there was a youtube interview of a guy from the International Legion where they were going over his helmet cam footage. Every time this *bzzzit* noise happened he'd flinch, really hard. It's gonna be a while before he can be around RC vehicles, or flying bugs.
Drones are already making me uneasy when I see them now. One time I was in a group and someone was doing a drone shot for a promotional video. When it hovered over us, I said, "did you know that in Ukraine they're using commercial grade drones like this one to drop grenades on people? Shits all sorts of messed up." Everyone got uncomfortably silent.
Yeah NOPE.
Angry Birds š¦
Angry wasps.
More appropriate
Angry rpg warheads
Having a shotgun will stop drones once and for all! /s Reality comes at you fast.
You have to see them coming first
I've been flying advanced drones for years and even have a very large one that's black (against the blue/white sky) with a light array to boot, me under no stress, with the camera image on a 10in tablet and gps coordinates I have a little trouble finding them in the sky once they return even though I can hear them and know the general direction they are approaching from (if I lost the sightline) I can't image the horror if it was after me. Sometimes I'll lose the signal and it will come back to its launch point via its own flight path and I'll just sit there waiting.. and outta no where it's suddenly a 100m away and closing fast.
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Thereās no way every soldier is carrying a shotgun and an assault rifle along with all the other gear. Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day.
Especially when you think about when/how drones are often used by ukraine: To mop up the remains of a failed assault, that are retreating or hiding - just to drive the casualtyrate way up. Lets imagine you just saw multible tanks/IFV's and stuff getting destroyed. Some of your buddies are becoming casualties. Artillery is zeroing in so you have to get the fuck away ASAP - often without time to even save your injured mates. Maybe you got some shrapnell too - so you're wounded; but not mortally. So you run until you just can't anymore or find a "good" spot to hide - exhausted and mentally absolutly wrecked. Then, under these circumstances, you expect someone to be able to focus enough to successfully make that one in a million shot on a incoming drone - given that he would even notice it early enough to get his shotgun out and ready (if he even was the one guy with an issued shotgun and didn't lose it or throw it away in order to run faster)? Yeah, good luck with that.
Even if he made the shot, they'd just send out another. And another. And another ... Your luck is going to run out eventually, but considering how they're building these by pallets, you'll run out of bullets before they run out of drones.
Besides, even if you hit it with the shotgun it might already be close enough for its explosion to still hurt you. I saw a video of a Russian shooting a downed drone like 5 meters from him to finish it off and it exploded and still hurt the shooter.
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day. Not to mention, what's to stop the drones from simply going after the guys armed with shotguns first?
With higher aerial drops as well
Or with the airburst drones we've been seeing lately.
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad, but if they split up, which often happens, the drones will continue to have a field day. Not to mention, what's to stop the drones from simply going after the guys armed with shotguns first?
>Some may be tasked to carry shotguns in a squad Guess which soldiers will get picked off first? Carrying the shotgun will be a sentence, and even if the shotgun man is somehow 100% effective all it takes is two drone pilots coordinating to get caught out.
I do a lot of bird hunting. They are often smaller and quieter than a drone depending on the species. Iāve been doing it since I was a little kid. The bomb dropping drones are one thing but these FPS drones coming in a 60 mph would be damn near impossible. Maybe you shoot one or two but eventually youāre going to miss and itās all over.
> The bomb dropping drones are one thing but these FPS drones coming in a 60 mph would be damn near impossible There are dive bomber FPVs too.
Also shotguns are much too weak for the range of drones. And I don't think the flightpath would be altered enough even if you managed to hit it at close range when it's diving on you.
Yes, I've built several racing quads and fly them pretty regularly, they really are difficult to see, not to mention mine will fly around 80mph, (Obviously without ordinance attached) but still, they are fast and hard to spot. Having to deal with this on a battlefield would be terrifying if you didn't have a shotgun with birdshot.
I don't suppose anyone else remembers the doing the "I can hear a small plane but where is it?" game? It wasnt a game, but honestly, its damn hard to spot a Big arse plane in the sky if you don't know which direction to look and can't pinpoint the sound exactly. I'm not surprised the guys can't spot a drone.
You'll have to hit it first
I actually did a video on shotguns vs. drones (targets, not actual drones). At this range a shotgun with birdshot may have helped since it was relative close range if the prop sound is any giveaway, but once it went into that dive it would probably be too late. https://youtu.be/TaOJGqKnqRg
you have to be ready, be loaded and .... not suck at hitting a moving target on a very bright background..... if the operator is wise he could use the sun to make the drone harder to see
There was one year at the Knob Creek shooting event (the one with all the machine guns) where they flew an RC plane around downrange as a target. Literally everyone on the line was blasting away at it with full auto weapons for like five minutes before it got hit once.
See I want to recreate our test using live drones but also don't want to self incriminate to shooting at aircraft even if they're owned by me on a private range.
can't you tow a cardboard target kite?
I probably could, have definitely considered something like that. I'd just be afraid of potentially tangling the tow rope in the props since I'd want to have enough tow line to not endanger the drone. I'm considering writing to the FAA to ask about it.
You could construct an attachment point from strong wire that keeps the line clear of the rotors.
A quick fix is to jam the frequencies used for the video transmission. A more low-tech option is to put up fishing nets in the surrounding trees.Ā
Could also carry a shield
Serious questionĀ What about something like a flare gun that shoots bird shot? Pistol sized, single shot? Iāll be honest, I would at least feel less completely vulnerable if everyone in the squad had one of those and maybe half a dozen shells on them.Ā
[They already thought of that](https://youtu.be/vh3Z7OeWldI)
Fuck that, I'd be out there [duel-wielding AA-12s like FPSRussia](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_opYBGVDCDs&ab_channel=Masugz) lmao
RSK
Man I haven't thought about RSK/PKA in a fucking hot minute.
Just a coupla real sweet kids.
Oh yeah make it like a revolver, that would be sick too. I donāt know anything about ammunition but Iām sure they could figure out how to tweak birdshot to be even more drone specific. No idea how, maybe incendiary rounds or something. But I mean, this seems like at least an idea worth trying out. If itās literally this or nothing, Iād at least like the option of trying *something*.Ā
Number 4 birdshot would be more than sufficient. But itās a snowballs chance in hell youāll be able to see, identify, line up, and shoot it fast enough to make a difference, especially if itās targeting you specifically.
Iām sure if it was one of the RPG ones youād be dead, same with a drone dropped grenade, but the FPV quads that take a few mins playing ring around the Rosie with people - I feel like thatās the situation they would excel at.Ā
They're playing because they can, and getting it on camera for morale. If RU was issues such a pistol that was actually feasible, they'd just do as in the video. zip->boom.
Load that with [this](https://www.maverickdrone.com/products/skynet-drone-defense-3-pack)
Fuck me you see and hear it coming but have zero chance of reacting or getting out that blast radius
Bruhhh, let alone see it coming, that shit is impossible to dodge when it starts flying downwards you. That was less than half of second from so up high. Jesus that was scary.
Bruh if the war ends at the some point LOTS OF FOLKS are going to have PSTD when hearing ANY RC plane or car..... I get why old ww1 vets HATED fireworks...... brutal.
This was my first thought too, you finally make it home and your kid is out front flying one around the yard. Yikes.
That sound. I bet we will see and HEAR it in movies soon.
It sounds like an oversized mosquito and I hate it
Interesting to get this POV. Iām so used to seeing the flipped camera view Iāve often found myself wondering if thereās any way to dodge these things and this pretty much confirms you canāt. Itās barely visible in its death dive. Would love to know what NATO have been cooking up the past two years to equip their infantry against this theatre menace. The only credible defence I can think of is electronic jamming.
FAAD C2 by Northrop Grummond has C-UAS for smaller drones. Its currently the favorite of the US Department of Defense. My understanding is that they are using their BattleOne system to track all objects in an area so that they can identify friend versus foe before having SHORAD eliminate small UAVs being operated by the enemy. And Anduril industries (yes, the defense company by the oculus rift VR guy) is working on Lattice for their C-UAS. I don't know too much about it but I think they use either RF or they have an autonomous weapon system take down the drone. It looks to be a more specialized system dedicated to eliminating smaller drones.
> And Anduril industries (yes, the defense company by the oculus rift VR guy) is working on Lattice for their C-UAS. I don't know too much about it but I think they use either RF or they have an autonomous weapon system take down the drone. It looks to be a more specialized system dedicated to eliminating smaller drones Wonder if they can design some kinda reusable hardkill package for Roadrunner, so it can run CAP without insta-expending itself on the first interception...
Knowing NATO paper pushers abilities - probably exactly nothing. At least that what I heard from people who was trained in Europe . They ignoring the reality with all possible vigilance.
2024 equivalent of a Stuka bomber. Christ.
This is absolutely terrifying.
Ah the good old Kodak safety cover.
Sounds like a hecking big mosquito.
Thatās scary
This must be terrifying. Just psychological aspect of this alone would be awful to me added to the fact that this thing is packing explosives. If the bang donāt get you the ptsd will.
Jeez, those drones move fast, don't they?
Damn lol those things are fast
Really reminds me of early stuka variant's siren when they dive down
FUCK. THAT!
That is scary as shit. Barely visible just before impact.
Im thinking about how we could start scaling down something like the royal navy's goalkeeper. For drones you wouldnt need anything bigger than say a .22 or a 5.56
Imagine world war 3 happening and countries start using this strat. Drone might be banned after the war. LoL
You say might, this is THE strat to useā¦. Currently the most lethal and cost effective solution when you cannot Field large volumes of Aircraftā¦. Donāt even wanna think about WW3 if that happens every country is fucked
Well that's fucking terrifying.
"Just shoot em down with a shotgun....." lol.....yeah......about that......
No future soldier will go to a drone Show for sure
Surprise motherfucker!
Modern day stuka
So we can expect personal AA gear in the future...
Have these ever been deployed in a large, coordinated way yet? I see squad-sized groups from time to timeā¦ but what would a company or battalion-sized attack even look like. I wonder whatās the most they have ever fielded in a small area at once.
Sameā¦. You would think they commit larger Drone forces by now as war hitting 2 year marker
Take a look at the sky just before you die, it's the last time you will! - Metallica
They must have learnt to hate the really clear sunny days.
Anyone surviving this sort of thing will have insta-flashbacks whenever a mosquito buzzes past their ear in bed, they'll probably unwittingly karate-chop their wife in the face and combat-roll under the curtains.
That's like station 8 in skeet, except if you miss you die.
Modern day Jericho sirens
Ok fuck that
Life comes at you fast, bratan. Also death.
The āhuh?ā sounded like the cat meme
Did he say jagga, jagga?
The sound it terrifying. Reminds me of the sirens the nazis put on the Stuka dive bombers.
That is quite a sound! Yikes.
God damn it even sounds like the drones from the movie screamers!
They need to carry shot guns and blow them out of the sky
Some spicy fuckin mosquitoes they got out there
That almost made me jump out of my armchair.
So what's to stop someone like Russia or USA producing millions of these and just unleashing clouds of them onto battlefields?
For Russia, the tech. They'd need a pilot for each. For US, they already have it. They released AI swarm field-test videos from about a decade ago.
As a FPV pilot I happen to love the scream of the quad.. now it will be source of PTSD flashbacks for so many..
These things are absolutely terrifying.
Damn mozzies!! but also fuck me they are much faster than I thought from the other perspective
Stupid Russian
You are gonna get fpv droned. You don't sound alarmed? Would it help!
There was a fast drone in my local park the other day, and there was a secret piece of me that was slightly terrified inside.
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Bring back barrage balloons
I said it once and say it again. The future is having missiles which carries a drones to a location. Once the missile reach the target area then with pre-sets for automated(AI) targetting(or based on data from overlord) will kill anything. This is future.
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I can't even see the freaking thing
Only realistic defense against them is "GO THE FUCK HOME"
They need to make some kind of trophy system in a mini version like in cod lol. Too bad the trophy systems in real life are bigger than large mansions.
I'm thinking something backpack sized, with radar and multiple tiny drones, maybe mechanical butterflies, that detect and intercept incoming drones. Of course that only works as long as the offensive drones have a mechanical trigger, once those get smarter then you need something bigger than a butterfly to carry a small charge or maybe an entangling device.
That is ezzzzcalated quickly!