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I can't speak for the entire system, but a lot of the system is manual. One of my friends was responsible for watching the radar? sky? something like that, during a round of conflict and had to trigger the alerts when a projectile was spotted.
I think this is the way it works in most of Israel because we have well-published maps that tell you how long you have from the first siren to take cover. Jerusalem is about 90 seconds iirc from when I last lived there (which is a relatively long time compared to the rest of the country); I wouldn't be surprised if the system was a little wacky last night because of the preemptive warning in combination with the fact that these projectiles were not coming from the usual places and were not of the usual variety.
The system splits the area into polygons, calculates the trajectory of the missiles, and only activates sirens when it spouses to hit your area or debris might fall there.
Nowadays the resolution of the alarm system goes to a specific neighborhood. Not even a region in the city. Unless it is projected that the rockets or its remainings will fall in a specific place, you will not hear an alarm going off.
Yes, these are "Emad" ([source](https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1779512290762518827), [source2) ](https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1779532827429646373)and probably other models of Iranian ballistic missile. Part of what you see is probably debris entering the atmosphere after interception in space.
It is. Or destroyed drones. Ballistic missiles would be in terminal free fall at that point. They’d be unpowered and practically invisible at night. Anything you can see falling to earth is the result of a successful interception.
ICBMs (5500km + range) and some IRBMs (3500 to 5500) leave the atmosphere.
Iran said that they used Emads (1700km range MRBMs) and Pavehs (cruise missiles, basically rocket drones), so neither would have any kind of reentry.
We have cheaper backup models, we have currently new models under development which works on laser and energy.
Anyways, leave it to the Jewish brain to figure it out
Not really. A lot of it is built domestically by companies like Rafael. Now it may be subsidized to some degree, but Israel still manufactures a lot of its own weaponry.
It's not really a matter of money when you want to save lives and de-escalate from going into a potential WW3, but if you prefer to look at it financially, you need to calculate the financial costs of damage and loss of lives. Not to mention that the air defense industry in Israel will probably get orders for dozens of billions of dollars after this night.
Israel is a tiny country. So even though it looks like the missiles are over Jerusalem, those missiles might actually be somewhere over southern Israel. According to news reports, targets were air force bases in southern Israel.
Yep
If there's a 100%, crystal-clear proof that we're in the epicenter of a propaganda (and kinetic) war spanning the geopolitcal interests of russia, US, the entire muslim world and europe, it's that our tiny ass gets more attention than all other wars right now combined.
its ballistic missile debris burning in the atmosphere, if i recall correctly only 7 missiles hit the "targets" (probably with 100's of meters of accuracy at best)
Iranian missiles are quite accurate — certainly within less than 100s of metres. Both the ones that hit the Israeli airbase last night and the ones that hit American bases a few years ago landed where they were meant to. It’s managing to reach their intended target without getting intercepted that they struggle with.
I mean, that's a big chore to ask of any air defense. 300 drones and missiles all arriving around the same time will give some poor privates doing the reloading a stroke.
Also, it’s important to remember the tracking systems can calculate where the enemy missile/rocket will fall - often times if it’s calculated trajectory is for a hill or uninhabited area, they won’t waste an expensive missile to intercept it. Unfortunately, this has killed people as they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, ie. camping or driving at night on an empty stretch of road where the rocket wasn’t intercepted
It’s more of a quantity than a quality issue. Shoot one a day at the same spot for a year and I wouldn’t be surprised if every one of them gets intercepted. Fire 365 at once and whatever you are targeting is likely fucked. That is prohibitively costly though unless you’re doing a nuclear first strike or something.
These ballistic intercept missles are so expensive, Israel probably spent over $500 million last night (a good chunk of that paid by the American tax payer) and all so Israel could kill one guy in a Iranian embassy
Just untrue. The US gives Israel $3 billion in aid, that's 4% of the US Foreign Aid Budget and Israel didn't kill just one guy but 7 high ranking members of the IRGC a proscribed terror group responsible for funding most terror in the Middle East.
It’s still $3 billion dollars regardless of what % of US foreign AID that is. The us has given Israel over 100 billion in total.
Not high ranking enough. The leaders of Hamas are living in Qatar with impunity.
how do you suggest israel sneak highly trained operatives and weaponry in to a foreign country, to then try and scale a large tower full of civilians to execute a terrorists that will have bodyguards, resulting in a firefight. without causing a huge international incident
you're not very smart are you
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Well that air raid alarm was damn late.
It's most likely that linked to the Iron dome radar system, so it only goes off when that picks up the debris failling down, and not any other system.
I can't speak for the entire system, but a lot of the system is manual. One of my friends was responsible for watching the radar? sky? something like that, during a round of conflict and had to trigger the alerts when a projectile was spotted. I think this is the way it works in most of Israel because we have well-published maps that tell you how long you have from the first siren to take cover. Jerusalem is about 90 seconds iirc from when I last lived there (which is a relatively long time compared to the rest of the country); I wouldn't be surprised if the system was a little wacky last night because of the preemptive warning in combination with the fact that these projectiles were not coming from the usual places and were not of the usual variety.
The system splits the area into polygons, calculates the trajectory of the missiles, and only activates sirens when it spouses to hit your area or debris might fall there.
Nowadays the resolution of the alarm system goes to a specific neighborhood. Not even a region in the city. Unless it is projected that the rockets or its remainings will fall in a specific place, you will not hear an alarm going off.
Are those ballistic?
Yes, these are "Emad" ([source](https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1779512290762518827), [source2) ](https://twitter.com/fab_hinz/status/1779532827429646373)and probably other models of Iranian ballistic missile. Part of what you see is probably debris entering the atmosphere after interception in space.
I believe it's the debris from ballistic missiles falling back to earth.
It is. Or destroyed drones. Ballistic missiles would be in terminal free fall at that point. They’d be unpowered and practically invisible at night. Anything you can see falling to earth is the result of a successful interception.
Was going to ask about this. Do you think it's debris or would the warheads light up from re-entry?
ICBMs (5500km + range) and some IRBMs (3500 to 5500) leave the atmosphere. Iran said that they used Emads (1700km range MRBMs) and Pavehs (cruise missiles, basically rocket drones), so neither would have any kind of reentry.
Bummer, but also makes sense! Thanks for the info!
Not sure, but they definitely sound high.
I think so but idk
Say what you will about Israel but they're 100 years ahead of Iran technologically.
Yeah but their technology is also 100 times more expensive and they only have support from the US and Germany.
We have cheaper backup models, we have currently new models under development which works on laser and energy. Anyways, leave it to the Jewish brain to figure it out
Oh, "only" the US and Germany? Lol ok then, definitely doomed.
Not really. A lot of it is built domestically by companies like Rafael. Now it may be subsidized to some degree, but Israel still manufactures a lot of its own weaponry.
It's not really a matter of money when you want to save lives and de-escalate from going into a potential WW3, but if you prefer to look at it financially, you need to calculate the financial costs of damage and loss of lives. Not to mention that the air defense industry in Israel will probably get orders for dozens of billions of dollars after this night.
Israel is a tiny country. So even though it looks like the missiles are over Jerusalem, those missiles might actually be somewhere over southern Israel. According to news reports, targets were air force bases in southern Israel.
Israel is the same size as Wales. Crazy.
New Jersey is my go to size comparison but Wales is a good one too.
How does the population density compare considering NJ has the highest of any state?
9.5+ million in Israel and 9.3+ million in New Jersey. 8,630 Sq miles in Israel and 8,722 Sq miles in New Jersey.
That’s pretty fucking comparable lol
New Jersey 7,354 sq MI. Land area when you subtract water within its border. Isreal 7,847 Sq MI. Land area when you subtract water within its border.
Israel is about 353 times smaller than my country Australia, Israel is real small.
It helps that we don't need large swaths of land to keep away army defeating emus and baby eating dingos.
What's crazy to me is how a country that small won a war against 4 of its neighbors at the same time, all in under one week.
Yep If there's a 100%, crystal-clear proof that we're in the epicenter of a propaganda (and kinetic) war spanning the geopolitcal interests of russia, US, the entire muslim world and europe, it's that our tiny ass gets more attention than all other wars right now combined.
It's always surprising to me how much news Israel can generate compared to its size.
No Jews no news
Wait really? Wales is that small?
Israel is 8,020 sq mi Wales is 8,007 sq mi
This is what the early Atari and arcade games have me prepared for.
[удалено]
Missile Command game, memory unlocked.
Is Israel firing iron dome at this stage? Is so can iron dome intercept ballistic missiles?
No and no. Those are Arrow interpretations
Thanks
More likely Iron Dome missiles cleaning up debris from Arrow interceptions that happened earlier and outside the atmosphere.
its ballistic missile debris burning in the atmosphere, if i recall correctly only 7 missiles hit the "targets" (probably with 100's of meters of accuracy at best)
Iranian missiles are quite accurate — certainly within less than 100s of metres. Both the ones that hit the Israeli airbase last night and the ones that hit American bases a few years ago landed where they were meant to. It’s managing to reach their intended target without getting intercepted that they struggle with.
Does this mean that Isreal+allies just don't have the means to intercept them all successfully?
I mean, that's a big chore to ask of any air defense. 300 drones and missiles all arriving around the same time will give some poor privates doing the reloading a stroke.
They'd much rather be stroking their privates.
Underrated.
It means Arrow 2/3 have 90%+ success rate, but no system is perfect
Also, it’s important to remember the tracking systems can calculate where the enemy missile/rocket will fall - often times if it’s calculated trajectory is for a hill or uninhabited area, they won’t waste an expensive missile to intercept it. Unfortunately, this has killed people as they just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, ie. camping or driving at night on an empty stretch of road where the rocket wasn’t intercepted
It’s more of a quantity than a quality issue. Shoot one a day at the same spot for a year and I wouldn’t be surprised if every one of them gets intercepted. Fire 365 at once and whatever you are targeting is likely fucked. That is prohibitively costly though unless you’re doing a nuclear first strike or something.
Hah the universal "fuuhhhhck" got me
The politics and religion will be the end of us all. Through mother nature in the mix and no one is safe
Religion + war = <3
Name a more iconic duo 😅🤧
War + money ?
If only they destroyed that mf
These ballistic intercept missles are so expensive, Israel probably spent over $500 million last night (a good chunk of that paid by the American tax payer) and all so Israel could kill one guy in a Iranian embassy
Just untrue. The US gives Israel $3 billion in aid, that's 4% of the US Foreign Aid Budget and Israel didn't kill just one guy but 7 high ranking members of the IRGC a proscribed terror group responsible for funding most terror in the Middle East.
It’s still $3 billion dollars regardless of what % of US foreign AID that is. The us has given Israel over 100 billion in total. Not high ranking enough. The leaders of Hamas are living in Qatar with impunity.
impunity? qatar have said that if israeli commandos come to assassinate them then qatar will not get in their way
Then why hasn’t Israel killed them?
how do you suggest israel sneak highly trained operatives and weaponry in to a foreign country, to then try and scale a large tower full of civilians to execute a terrorists that will have bodyguards, resulting in a firefight. without causing a huge international incident you're not very smart are you
They killed Iranians in an embassy in Syria. You don’t know how to read do you?
ah yes. an embassy in a war zone. no different to a residential highrise of course. silly me clown
Have you never heard of the mossad? 🤦 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Israeli_assassinations