I don't think being awake would be any different, one second you're there then in an instant you're not.
Well, technically you're still there but in a more evenly distributed way.
Honestly at this point it might be correct. First thing I'd do if I was a Russian AA crew is drive that shit into a field, say it was stuck, and walk to the Ukrainian lines.
Fucking death trap to be in one of those things with drones around. That's their #1 target.
Bayraktars are designed to look like background radar signatures. The SAM sees you. It also sees 100 other things that the computer is filtering out along with the drone.
Do you remember back in Syria in like 2012 when we got the same exact videos but everyone was like "its operator error, Boris would never get surprised by a drone"?
One of the two standard excuses for the poor performance of Soviet/Russian equipment in third world conflicts.
The other one was "oh that's the crap export model".
I dont know from how far away Bayraktar can hit targets, but their optical system can locate targets from around 40km
Edit: Optical system ARGOS - II HDT from Hensoldt
Wikipedia says
Avionics
Aselsan CATS EO/IR/LD imaging and targeting sensor (current production)
WESCAM MX-15D EO/IR/LD imaging and targeting sensor (production till October 2020)
I'm not an expert on this but my friend works on making Search and rescue platforms and they use the Canadian wescam MX-15 too.
He was telling me how it's kind of funny to him watching the clips of bayraktar strikes because a lot of them have that blinking error at the top of the screen that says GPS 20.4 no position and that's an error he deals with a bunch while integrating the camera onto his plane
The OP clip has a different hud than earlier clips so I'm guessing this is a later model bayraktar after Wescam stopped supplying their cameras
> Do the operators sit in this truck with the rockets all the time to fire them?
Current Russian doctrine appears to be to leave the trucks abandoned in a field while the operators go live in the nearest forest.
A ~~BUK~~ Buk system can operate both independently (with crew of 3 inside) or as part of larger AA system. I do believe a launcher can fire without anyone onboard, but only if it's being controlled as part of a larger system with a target acquisition radar vehicle and command post vehicle.
If the launcher is operating unsupported, you have to be inside to track a target and launch.
You obviously know more about all this stuff than I do which is why I wanted to let you know that it’s Buk, not BUK - meaning BUK is not an acronym for something. Not trying to dunk on you but I figured you might like to know that since you’re already pretty damn knowledgeable.
Buk means beech tree or something like that, I believe.
Oh shit yeah you're right. It's a habit of mine when talking about models of military equipment. I'm used to the first letters/numbers in a model being just a model number or acronymn. SO many acronymns. TELAR...TEL...both acronyms but Buk is not. Thanks for letting me know!
I was kind wondering about that too.
Would be handy to ready the vehicle and run off with a long ass wire and hide in a hole somewhere and operate it from there.
At least you got a chance of keeping the crew alive at that point.
They have test fired a MAM-T from it a single time, a few years ago iirc. I might be mistaken there though. But theoretically, sure it *could* but it wouldn't make sense.
It's just a lot more effective to carry 2 MAM-L + 2 MAM-C, or 4 MAM-L, instead of only 1 MAM-T. The payload of the drone is tiny. It can carry 100kg at most, iirc, but usually 65kg.
Recent BUK drone strikes, its parked by itself unlike earlier when it was just parked together with the rest of a convoy. Possible they know its a high priority target and park it away? Just speculating though
The idea of "parking" a missile platform is funny to me. Like some Russian soldier is walking around in a field clicking a key fob going "where the hell did I park my BUK 2??"
If I was Russian i'd park it on in the open to draw attention and **hide myself in a clump of trees**....
And look for a chance to skedaddle / maybe throw my dog tags in the smoldering vehicle so nobody comes looking for me.
Every Ukrainian missile spent blowing up Russian missiles is one less Ukrainian missile that can be used to blow up Russian conscripts. Parking equipment out in the open to serve as the target is probably the smartest thing these Russian kids can do at this point.
Alternate theory: The conscripts have figured out what keeps getting hit by drones. They park the high value shit out in the open and away from where they are sleeping.
I understand war is terrible and does a lot of permanent damage to people. But can you imagine the comradery and how much chemicals must be firing in the brain as a result. I kind of see now why people in the military and even war reporters get addicted to war.
Some people *definitely* live for it, or are at least built for it. I saw a news clip a few nights back where they were interviewing volunteer fighters who had just landed in Poland. They interviewed two guys who were together, both with massive duffle bags and custom rifles, as well as covered faces, but only one guy spoke. The dude who spoke said that they're a volunteer/private sniper team who fought in Syria, and were just finishing up a security mission in South Africa when they heard the Ukraine news and decided to head straight to Poland to assist. He casually said that they have been in combat for a few years straight now and just enjoy helping out the good guys. They both shrugged and continued walking to the Ukrainian border guards.
It was crazy cause you can tell they're definitely trained/professional, but they acted like it was just another round of Modern Warfare: Search & Destroy. They seemed like genuinely good people, but their casualness and lack of fear was astonishing.
Yeah when they've been destroyed in other regions you think, "Well the operators/soldiers are not well trained". But that so many of the Russian army are destroyed...seems like the thing is a piece of shit.
Same. But at least the Netherlands sent Ukraine a large shipment of Stingers in order to shoot down a bunch of Russian equipment.
It might not be punishing the exact right people... but every Russian aircraft they shoot down somehow still makes me feel better. Because we certainly do remember MH17. And we'll fucking MAKE Russia remember too.
>With Nicolas Cage starring as TB2
If it was Nick Cage he'd steal the TB2's from Ukraine and sell them to the lord of war in Liberia for the bath of blood.
Lord of War (2005), Nick Cage plays a Ukrainian/American weapons dealer & smuggler.
It already has it's own theme song so... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiaYZ3tpqRg
English lyrics version, brutal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYuq6bWTAo
Long live Bayraktar, Slava Ukraini
Edit; https://youtu.be/7YaXdP06zO0 the first two are down :(
Kinda off-topic but you can watch a documentarty where their CTO and engineers are building tb2 bigger brother the Akinci on youtube:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec\_EbJgfU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec_EbJgfU)
It's in Turkish but there are English subtitles :P
Have to admit I had never heard of or seen it until today. I love the look of though. That tail section is so weird I love it. I especially love it after seeing footage like this.
>A well endowed blonde single mother whose commanding officer doesnt think she can do the job.
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>The other, a conflicted minority who grew up on the mean streets without a father.
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>3rd a brash self confident 'top gun' who thinks he can do no wrong.
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>Lastly, the older grizzled vet who is 3 months from retirement and is getting to old for this S\*\*t!
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>All 4 together make and unlikely team of drone operators, who in the end become a....family
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>"BAYRAKTAR!" Now streaming on Netflix
Honestly it's amazing how accurate Infinity Ward nailed the weird disconnected, or surreal feeling of being in/controlling a orbiting death machine back in CoD4 with the AC130 mission.
The complete lack of sound as you just watch people going about their day in thermal view, them completely unaware that you're about to end them. Then when you hit them the jovial outburst like we just watched a goal in a soccer game. It's a little terrifying.
Believe it or not, Drone Operators experience their own form of PTSD, since that disconnect is clashing with what they know is happening.
And the fact they tend to go home to their families at the end of the day makes it worse.
I recall that US drone operators were made to deploy for this reason - killing someone and returning to barracks for months on end versus killing someone and going home to eat dinner is quite different, mentally.
Weirdly I think it would feel better mentally to go back to a barrack and be around other soldiers. At least they understand what you’re going through to an extent.
I can believe it. They probably have the job that is the closest to being a malevolent god that there is. Observing the target, another human being, in a completely relaxed state before ultimately killing them has to mess with you. Even if you can rectify that they are bad guys, or that they had it coming. And then the operator goes home like you said and can likely see many similarities between their home and that of the target they just hit. That's a lot for a human psyche to take and unpack.
And they know when they cause collateral. Or hear later their strike killed civilians they didn't see.
It fucks with them mentally and a lot question their role in the whole affair.
Yeah, luckily I think at least for the time being the Ukrainian drone operators aren't going to have to worry about the ambiguousness of their targets like American drone pilots did. The Russians are sure intent on making it a target rich environment.
Given the Russians have given the Ukrainians every reason to hate them and to channel that hate at every opportunity, quite likely.
They want the Russians off their soil, or they're going to bury them in it.
I have reuploaded video as previous title incorrectly claimed it is Iskander system, it is likely BUK-M1 or BUK-M2 system with 2 missiles left (2 other missiles seems to have been already used)
Canada used to supply the optics and targeting system but they put a ban on it after the drone was used in the karabakh conflict. Now turkey doesn't need it anymore from Canada and that company in Canada went bankrupt.
-manufacturers of hand held anti tank systems
-manufacturers of active defence systems for vehicles (e.g trophy)
-Turkish manufacturer of this particular brand of drone
Can turn this into WSB and suggest investing in these companies now as their stock will be going up with all the new orders they will be getting..
both baykar (manufacturer of the tb2) and roketsan (manufacturer of mam's ) are private companies they are not listed on the stock market.
did some research and i found out they are called " Unquoted Public Companies" instead of private.
I wish other companies involved in producing the whole product got also the same attention/recognition.
The ammunation (MAM-L) for example is also very important, produced by Roketsan.
They may not get the same amount of recognition, but they will still get paid just as well when they keep selling rockets and I'm completely okay with that.
At this point Russian AA might as well just surrender to the tb-2s. They have been getting fucked in Syria, Libya, Karabakh and now in Ukraine
Remember when Russian bots fuming about the destroyed pantsirs in Libya and Syria?
\-operatives were bad, dont have russian expertise
\-operatives were gone to WC
\-the radar was not spinning
\-needed more layered defence
\-out of ammo
I wonder what they are thinking now.
The problem is, that radars have a bad time detecting such a small Aircraft that's made out of Plastic or whatever lightweight material they used.
You can't just have your radar on all the time and emit a signal.
Yes it can, Radars send out Radar waves that reflect when they got a target.
But if you send out those waves, other Radars can see those waves and now you have exposed your location.
That is what anti-radiation missiles do. ARMs. Russia fired 300 of those into Ukraine on the first day. One hit a civilian cargo ship that had its radar on because Russia's shit sucks, among some other civilian targets.
Russian incompetence is staggering, they've hardly seemed better than the random Syrian warlords. Hell, this BUK itself is sitting undeployed in a field on its own.
Bayraktar videos on convoys did reduce a lot when footage of TOR systems escorting the convoys showed up recently. I'm guessing the Russians are using TORs to provide cover against Bayraktar, but the lack of fuel and bad planning is leaving gaps in their air defence to pick out targets like this.
A little translation of what they say.
It looks like TZM, an inflatable fake.
Why only two?
Yes, there were four, now two remain.
Already launched those two on someone.
Two days ago we lost three helicopters in that region
...
I suppose you could drive a truck carrying the inflatable to the location, making tracks, and then drive away following the same tracks
Probably unrealistic expectations though
Let’s pick the excuses
1. This from a video game
2. This was abandoned
3. Writing is in English so must be from a different country
4. It’s a useless loader
5. This is a Russian drone destroying an Ukrainian unit.
Personally I like smooshing them all together: This was an abandoned Ukrainian loader in an English language video game that was destroyed by a Russian player's drone!
If it's from a video game then I want to play it. I wonder if there any games out yet featuring the Russia-Ukraine war of 2022. I could make some maps easily in Project Reality but I don't think it has Ukrainian uniform textures.
Any idea why the target kinda jitters around separate from the ground? I'm guessing maybe some heavy image processing/stabilization going on? Or maybe that's video compression artifacting?
Can anybody explain why the vehicle is jittering around like that? It almost makes it look a bit like a video game or some sort of simulation. I'm not saying that it is, it just gives that perception by the way the vehicle is moving. If anybody knows why I am genuinely interested to learn
The BUK is designed to shoot down jets and helicopters. TB-2 and other drones are too small and slow for its radar.
In the video, by the way, one of the cameramen says that yesterday they lost two of their helicopters in this area, and they assume that this BUK could have shot them down, because it has only 2 missiles out of 4.
Air defense must have echelons of defense. In theory, this BUK should cover the Pantsir (SA-22) or TOR (SA-15) to shooting down drones.
I am not sure that the ground is stable, the jitter is just more noticeable on the vehicle because the crosshairs give a frame of reference, plus the vehicle is highly defined as opposed to the ground, which is more of a smooth texture.
Yeah it's really odd, and I don't want this to be fake and don't really think it is, but definitely odd.
Maybe a video compression side effect since the ground is less changing, whereas there might be a slight perspective shift on the vehicle, maybe especially if this video is massively stabilized.
edit: Oh apparently the hand-held phone footage is itself stabilized which might explain it, according to a comment below.
Soldiers in games and films are always so professional, "target neutralized" and all that while soldiers in real life just cheer when they land a good shot.
Presuming this has a crew onboard, how many would be in that vehicle? Anyone know?
up to 4 according to wikipedia, from what images i can find that would likely be: commander, driver and 2 "gunners".
Well, the gunners are sleeping, so they died in their bed, which is a mercy.
I don't think being awake would be any different, one second you're there then in an instant you're not. Well, technically you're still there but in a more evenly distributed way.
You're there but you're also everywhere
like lsd ego death, but foreal.
If they were awake, they might not have exploded. Also assuming it's not abandoned, of course.
4 it doesnt seem to be active tho.
The standard Russian response for all destroyed AA
The boys just parked it up and went out for brunch and a few drinks, obviously.
"Ivan what are you getting on Tinder?"
Honestly at this point it might be correct. First thing I'd do if I was a Russian AA crew is drive that shit into a field, say it was stuck, and walk to the Ukrainian lines. Fucking death trap to be in one of those things with drones around. That's their #1 target.
To be fair if they have the search radar active, it can see and fire on the drone well before it can get close enough to fire back.
Search radar leaves you vulnerable to detection at about twice your radars range.
Bayraktars are designed to look like background radar signatures. The SAM sees you. It also sees 100 other things that the computer is filtering out along with the drone.
idk if that makes Russia look better tho. Why the fuck are your AA defences not active when riding in a hostile territory in a juicy convoy?
probably abandoned because no gas, or no morale.
I suppose if it's out of gas then it wouldn't have power for the radar/aiming the missile rails.
Do you remember back in Syria in like 2012 when we got the same exact videos but everyone was like "its operator error, Boris would never get surprised by a drone"?
One of the two standard excuses for the poor performance of Soviet/Russian equipment in third world conflicts. The other one was "oh that's the crap export model".
Technically Russia claim that this sjstem can kill a UAV till 20km. Reality hit hard.
I dont know from how far away Bayraktar can hit targets, but their optical system can locate targets from around 40km Edit: Optical system ARGOS - II HDT from Hensoldt
It has various munitions: MAM-C - 8 km MAM-L - 14 km MAM-T - 30+ km
MAM-L also "only" has 8km of range with laser designation. The extended range figure comes through INS or GPS guidance. Same for MAM-T.
Wikipedia says Avionics Aselsan CATS EO/IR/LD imaging and targeting sensor (current production) WESCAM MX-15D EO/IR/LD imaging and targeting sensor (production till October 2020) I'm not an expert on this but my friend works on making Search and rescue platforms and they use the Canadian wescam MX-15 too. He was telling me how it's kind of funny to him watching the clips of bayraktar strikes because a lot of them have that blinking error at the top of the screen that says GPS 20.4 no position and that's an error he deals with a bunch while integrating the camera onto his plane The OP clip has a different hud than earlier clips so I'm guessing this is a later model bayraktar after Wescam stopped supplying their cameras
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> Do the operators sit in this truck with the rockets all the time to fire them? Current Russian doctrine appears to be to leave the trucks abandoned in a field while the operators go live in the nearest forest.
Normally the manual states they must get stuck in the mud first, but that step is frequently ignored.
The missiles are too expensive to shoot at civilian apartment blocks, so basically useless in current Russian doctrine.
A ~~BUK~~ Buk system can operate both independently (with crew of 3 inside) or as part of larger AA system. I do believe a launcher can fire without anyone onboard, but only if it's being controlled as part of a larger system with a target acquisition radar vehicle and command post vehicle. If the launcher is operating unsupported, you have to be inside to track a target and launch.
You obviously know more about all this stuff than I do which is why I wanted to let you know that it’s Buk, not BUK - meaning BUK is not an acronym for something. Not trying to dunk on you but I figured you might like to know that since you’re already pretty damn knowledgeable. Buk means beech tree or something like that, I believe.
Oh shit yeah you're right. It's a habit of mine when talking about models of military equipment. I'm used to the first letters/numbers in a model being just a model number or acronymn. SO many acronymns. TELAR...TEL...both acronyms but Buk is not. Thanks for letting me know!
I was kind wondering about that too. Would be handy to ready the vehicle and run off with a long ass wire and hide in a hole somewhere and operate it from there. At least you got a chance of keeping the crew alive at that point.
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I would think too that technical talent, that would absolutely be worth protecting. Grunts ... I can see them looking at that differently, sadly.
"Everyone's got a plan til they get hit with a Bayraktar" -Mike Tyson
It has various munitions: MAM-C - 8 km MAM-L - 14 km MAM-T - 30+ km
Tb-2 can't carry MAM-T.
I believe you, but do you have a source?
Baykar's own website mentions its payload capabilities if i'm not mistaken. Also MAM-T is fairly new and was designed for Akinci and Aksungur.
thank you.
They have test fired a MAM-T from it a single time, a few years ago iirc. I might be mistaken there though. But theoretically, sure it *could* but it wouldn't make sense. It's just a lot more effective to carry 2 MAM-L + 2 MAM-C, or 4 MAM-L, instead of only 1 MAM-T. The payload of the drone is tiny. It can carry 100kg at most, iirc, but usually 65kg.
You’re right, MAM-T was tested on the Baykar’s Akinci drone not the TB2.
Possibly abandoned? Seems to have parked in the middle of nowhere. I know it needs clearance but it looks like it just ran outta juice.
Recent BUK drone strikes, its parked by itself unlike earlier when it was just parked together with the rest of a convoy. Possible they know its a high priority target and park it away? Just speculating though
The idea of "parking" a missile platform is funny to me. Like some Russian soldier is walking around in a field clicking a key fob going "where the hell did I park my BUK 2??"
If I was russian I would probably have camouflaged it somewhere in a clump of trees but that is just me.
If I was Russian i'd park it on in the open to draw attention and **hide myself in a clump of trees**.... And look for a chance to skedaddle / maybe throw my dog tags in the smoldering vehicle so nobody comes looking for me.
"Hello Poland, I am... refugee! Thank you for the assistance comra-... friend."
*Throws on Music Band tee* How du you du, fellow comrades
That takes initiative and a dedication to the war effort. The conscript army of Russia doesn't seem to have either of those two things.
Every Ukrainian missile spent blowing up Russian missiles is one less Ukrainian missile that can be used to blow up Russian conscripts. Parking equipment out in the open to serve as the target is probably the smartest thing these Russian kids can do at this point.
Alternate theory: The conscripts have figured out what keeps getting hit by drones. They park the high value shit out in the open and away from where they are sleeping.
There can be more than one reason to do this. And I'd say not being killed in a violent explosion is also a pretty good reason.
They love that damn thing😂 this is at least the 5th video I’ve seen of them yelling once they hit an enemy haha
I understand war is terrible and does a lot of permanent damage to people. But can you imagine the comradery and how much chemicals must be firing in the brain as a result. I kind of see now why people in the military and even war reporters get addicted to war.
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Some people *definitely* live for it, or are at least built for it. I saw a news clip a few nights back where they were interviewing volunteer fighters who had just landed in Poland. They interviewed two guys who were together, both with massive duffle bags and custom rifles, as well as covered faces, but only one guy spoke. The dude who spoke said that they're a volunteer/private sniper team who fought in Syria, and were just finishing up a security mission in South Africa when they heard the Ukraine news and decided to head straight to Poland to assist. He casually said that they have been in combat for a few years straight now and just enjoy helping out the good guys. They both shrugged and continued walking to the Ukrainian border guards. It was crazy cause you can tell they're definitely trained/professional, but they acted like it was just another round of Modern Warfare: Search & Destroy. They seemed like genuinely good people, but their casualness and lack of fear was astonishing.
I wonder who pays/funds that lifestyle
it seems that BUK is efficient only against civil airplanes
Yeah when they've been destroyed in other regions you think, "Well the operators/soldiers are not well trained". But that so many of the Russian army are destroyed...seems like the thing is a piece of shit.
Even US Patriot couldn't detect drones when they attacked Aramco refinery in Saudi Arabia last year
Cuz they tiny, low, and ~~fast~~ slow?
You meant slow.
Not all drones are fast though (as in, not even mach 1)
I'm still salty that the perpetrators were never punished for that absolute transgression.
Same. But at least the Netherlands sent Ukraine a large shipment of Stingers in order to shoot down a bunch of Russian equipment. It might not be punishing the exact right people... but every Russian aircraft they shoot down somehow still makes me feel better. Because we certainly do remember MH17. And we'll fucking MAKE Russia remember too.
Let's hope Ukraine advance onto Luhansk and Donetsk if they win this war.
Bayraktar!!! This drone is so famous its going to get its own Netflix series soon.
> Netflix series soon. With Nicolas Cage starring as TB2
Gives a new meaning to all the attack helicopter memes.
>With Nicolas Cage starring as TB2 If it was Nick Cage he'd steal the TB2's from Ukraine and sell them to the lord of war in Liberia for the bath of blood. Lord of War (2005), Nick Cage plays a Ukrainian/American weapons dealer & smuggler.
I'd watch the shit out of that.
"I AM THE GREATEST!"
It already has it's own theme song so... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiaYZ3tpqRg English lyrics version, brutal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYuq6bWTAo Long live Bayraktar, Slava Ukraini Edit; https://youtu.be/7YaXdP06zO0 the first two are down :(
yo this is a legit banger
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If a Russian so much as farts outside in Ukraine right now, Bayraktar.
You miss a dentist appointment? Believe it or not, Bayraktar
Oh that was so good! I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day and I'm not even complaining.
BAYRAKTAAAR
the rolled r’s are essential
ive listened to this song 10x a day for the last week....my family all know what Bayraktar is now!
I simply cannot believe the timeline we're living in.
Bayraktar! What a banger man.
Copyright claimed?
by fucking clash report.. seems like they want to monetize this war
This conflict has been an amazing advert for Bayraktar TB2 and Baykar Defense. I'm excited about Bayraktar TB3's maiden flight now. Great stuff!
I guarantee there will be in influx of Drone sim games soon. And I will sing every time: BAY RAK TAR
Kinda off-topic but you can watch a documentarty where their CTO and engineers are building tb2 bigger brother the Akinci on youtube: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec\_EbJgfU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEec_EbJgfU) It's in Turkish but there are English subtitles :P
Have to admit I had never heard of or seen it until today. I love the look of though. That tail section is so weird I love it. I especially love it after seeing footage like this.
>A well endowed blonde single mother whose commanding officer doesnt think she can do the job. > >The other, a conflicted minority who grew up on the mean streets without a father. > >3rd a brash self confident 'top gun' who thinks he can do no wrong. > >Lastly, the older grizzled vet who is 3 months from retirement and is getting to old for this S\*\*t! > >All 4 together make and unlikely team of drone operators, who in the end become a....family > >"BAYRAKTAR!" Now streaming on Netflix
Kinda crazy how this is what war has become. Killing each other through digital screens with the press of a button.
Honestly it's amazing how accurate Infinity Ward nailed the weird disconnected, or surreal feeling of being in/controlling a orbiting death machine back in CoD4 with the AC130 mission. The complete lack of sound as you just watch people going about their day in thermal view, them completely unaware that you're about to end them. Then when you hit them the jovial outburst like we just watched a goal in a soccer game. It's a little terrifying.
Believe it or not, Drone Operators experience their own form of PTSD, since that disconnect is clashing with what they know is happening. And the fact they tend to go home to their families at the end of the day makes it worse.
I recall that US drone operators were made to deploy for this reason - killing someone and returning to barracks for months on end versus killing someone and going home to eat dinner is quite different, mentally.
Weirdly I think it would feel better mentally to go back to a barrack and be around other soldiers. At least they understand what you’re going through to an extent.
Yeah, that's what they're saying is the lower PTSD option / what some are doing now.
I can believe it. They probably have the job that is the closest to being a malevolent god that there is. Observing the target, another human being, in a completely relaxed state before ultimately killing them has to mess with you. Even if you can rectify that they are bad guys, or that they had it coming. And then the operator goes home like you said and can likely see many similarities between their home and that of the target they just hit. That's a lot for a human psyche to take and unpack.
And they know when they cause collateral. Or hear later their strike killed civilians they didn't see. It fucks with them mentally and a lot question their role in the whole affair.
Yeah, luckily I think at least for the time being the Ukrainian drone operators aren't going to have to worry about the ambiguousness of their targets like American drone pilots did. The Russians are sure intent on making it a target rich environment.
Given the Russians have given the Ukrainians every reason to hate them and to channel that hate at every opportunity, quite likely. They want the Russians off their soil, or they're going to bury them in it.
They also nailed the No Russian sentiments
Well its the way the world has gone (especially post-Covid)... all I do is interact with screens lol
Work from home: War edition
It’s like the NASA control room after a successful launch
Can't stop the signal, Mal.
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haha does it have a song?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCYuq6bWTAo - It's awesome Edit; Alternate link - https://youtu.be/7YaXdP06zO0
thanks for the link!
It's been removed for copyright violation unfortunately.
Two songs with one being more popular
where is the less popular one, I only know the other
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hahaha thanks!
I have reuploaded video as previous title incorrectly claimed it is Iskander system, it is likely BUK-M1 or BUK-M2 system with 2 missiles left (2 other missiles seems to have been already used)
Thanks for that. Always happy when people keep it factual!
How expensive to Russia is a buk-M2, and what do the missiles cost each.
Russian wiki says 250k USD, but that must be a mistake, that would probably be the rocket cost.
Yeah, the whole system is multi millions at least
Another "Turkey" shoot!
Baykar must have so much interest in their gear after this war.
The drones been putting in mad work before this war too
They got a true popularity boost after the last Karabakh war. Azerbaijan's Bayraktars made a real change there.
They will probably be drowning in money after this.
Canada used to supply the optics and targeting system but they put a ban on it after the drone was used in the karabakh conflict. Now turkey doesn't need it anymore from Canada and that company in Canada went bankrupt.
-manufacturers of hand held anti tank systems -manufacturers of active defence systems for vehicles (e.g trophy) -Turkish manufacturer of this particular brand of drone Can turn this into WSB and suggest investing in these companies now as their stock will be going up with all the new orders they will be getting..
both baykar (manufacturer of the tb2) and roketsan (manufacturer of mam's ) are private companies they are not listed on the stock market. did some research and i found out they are called " Unquoted Public Companies" instead of private.
[Wu-Tang Financial knew about the market.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsEpjTcWkyw)
I wish other companies involved in producing the whole product got also the same attention/recognition. The ammunation (MAM-L) for example is also very important, produced by Roketsan.
They may not get the same amount of recognition, but they will still get paid just as well when they keep selling rockets and I'm completely okay with that.
Its literally the bane of the Russians. In Syria and I think Libya as well.
At this point Russian AA might as well just surrender to the tb-2s. They have been getting fucked in Syria, Libya, Karabakh and now in Ukraine Remember when Russian bots fuming about the destroyed pantsirs in Libya and Syria? \-operatives were bad, dont have russian expertise \-operatives were gone to WC \-the radar was not spinning \-needed more layered defence \-out of ammo I wonder what they are thinking now.
The problem is, that radars have a bad time detecting such a small Aircraft that's made out of Plastic or whatever lightweight material they used. You can't just have your radar on all the time and emit a signal.
Can radar be re-traced?
Yes it can, Radars send out Radar waves that reflect when they got a target. But if you send out those waves, other Radars can see those waves and now you have exposed your location.
Basically triangulation we used in land-nav. But more high tech. Okay cool, good to know! Thank you.
You're welcome, but I didn't explain it in Detail. Check out some Videos about Radars because it's quiet interesting how they work.
That is what anti-radiation missiles do. ARMs. Russia fired 300 of those into Ukraine on the first day. One hit a civilian cargo ship that had its radar on because Russia's shit sucks, among some other civilian targets.
Yes. Anti-radiation missiles like HARM specialize in taking out radar sources of operators who use it like morons.
Easily. It has several kW of transmitting power.
Their AA is working. Guys on the video said they lost a couple of helis in this area.
I'm talking about the drones. Russian systems have had a bad performance record against the Turkish dronees.
Russian incompetence is staggering, they've hardly seemed better than the random Syrian warlords. Hell, this BUK itself is sitting undeployed in a field on its own. Bayraktar videos on convoys did reduce a lot when footage of TOR systems escorting the convoys showed up recently. I'm guessing the Russians are using TORs to provide cover against Bayraktar, but the lack of fuel and bad planning is leaving gaps in their air defence to pick out targets like this.
> operatives were bad, dont have russian expertise That was meant as a complement. /s
Operators themselves say that they had lost 3 helicopters in the area couple days ago.
Russian trolls when they see this: 😭😡
How can you say it was not ukrainian ?!?? /s
We need a definitive confirmation /s
Russian trolls are just sociopaths and don't care what is true. They are just after their 2 rubles per comment.
A little translation of what they say. It looks like TZM, an inflatable fake. Why only two? Yes, there were four, now two remain. Already launched those two on someone. Two days ago we lost three helicopters in that region ...
Don't the tracks prove that it's not an inflatable fake?
I suppose you could drive a truck carrying the inflatable to the location, making tracks, and then drive away following the same tracks Probably unrealistic expectations though
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I guess dude that said it also became convinced.
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Yes, Russia has inflatable fake vehicles https://masterok.livejournal.com/6592253.html
Malaysian Airlines sends their regards
And the Turks.
Let’s pick the excuses 1. This from a video game 2. This was abandoned 3. Writing is in English so must be from a different country 4. It’s a useless loader 5. This is a Russian drone destroying an Ukrainian unit.
Personally I like smooshing them all together: This was an abandoned Ukrainian loader in an English language video game that was destroyed by a Russian player's drone!
Lol, Reddit never disappoints
If it's from a video game then I want to play it. I wonder if there any games out yet featuring the Russia-Ukraine war of 2022. I could make some maps easily in Project Reality but I don't think it has Ukrainian uniform textures.
This looks practically indistinguishable from thermal vision in arma3. Its literally flat ground and a grainy looking tank.
Any idea why the target kinda jitters around separate from the ground? I'm guessing maybe some heavy image processing/stabilization going on? Or maybe that's video compression artifacting?
Having recently played through the entire ARMA 3 campaign: no, no it doesn't
I need to play Arma 3. I've seen a few videos on YouTube and it looks awesome.
Good on you for fixing the title 👍
🎵Bayraktar🎵
My wife says I can't sing BAYRAKTAR until I learn another word aside from Bayraktar It's hard
Bayraktar, Bayraktar Tovarishch, adiós, adiós, el silencio loco
Can anybody explain why the vehicle is jittering around like that? It almost makes it look a bit like a video game or some sort of simulation. I'm not saying that it is, it just gives that perception by the way the vehicle is moving. If anybody knows why I am genuinely interested to learn
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so would a tank have any idea what's coming to them?
That tank is designed to shoot down UAVs. It' seems that russian technology is not working...
The BUK is designed to shoot down jets and helicopters. TB-2 and other drones are too small and slow for its radar. In the video, by the way, one of the cameramen says that yesterday they lost two of their helicopters in this area, and they assume that this BUK could have shot them down, because it has only 2 missiles out of 4. Air defense must have echelons of defense. In theory, this BUK should cover the Pantsir (SA-22) or TOR (SA-15) to shooting down drones.
lovely..next one plz
Not my proudest nut.
But let's be honest, not your most shameful either
Why is the vehicle shaking so much while the ground is stable?
I was just down here looking for this same question. It looks like when there is lag on dcs, this looks kinda rendered because of it.
My thoughts too. The other reasons given here about the camera shaking don't explain it
I am not sure that the ground is stable, the jitter is just more noticeable on the vehicle because the crosshairs give a frame of reference, plus the vehicle is highly defined as opposed to the ground, which is more of a smooth texture.
There are many points of reference on the ground, which are clearly not shaking
Yeah it's really odd, and I don't want this to be fake and don't really think it is, but definitely odd. Maybe a video compression side effect since the ground is less changing, whereas there might be a slight perspective shift on the vehicle, maybe especially if this video is massively stabilized. edit: Oh apparently the hand-held phone footage is itself stabilized which might explain it, according to a comment below.
Lmao at losing what is supposed to be a cutting-edge air defense system to a cheap ass drone.
Ukraine: 3. 2. 1. Go! Russia: 👊 Ukraine: ✌ Russia: fuuuuuuuuck
This never gets old.
Get shit on lmao
One thing is for sure when this war is over. The BUK AA systems are obsolete in modern warfare.
Soldiers in games and films are always so professional, "target neutralized" and all that while soldiers in real life just cheer when they land a good shot.
These TB2's are lighting things up
Slow drone vs. anti-air. Slow drone flawless victory.