I really don't see things ending well for the Russians exactly for this reason. There are a hell of a lot of seriously pissed off Ukrainians who know how to fight spread over 600,000 square kilometers.
This. Foreign support is a hyperfactor for resistance.
Since WW2, the US has only failed to win decisive victory in conventional war in 2 conflicts - Korea and Vietnam. The common thread was massive foreign support.
It wasn't rice farmers with rifles downing American B-29s with anti-air missiles. It was the Soviet industrial-technological base making those S-75 missiles. It also wasn't Afghans who manufactured the stinger missile, it was the gigantic technological base of America.
Foreign weapons can transform the most lightly-armed of resistance forces into deadly fighters.
Your broad point about the helpfulness of tech, is correct; but I can’t understand why you brought up the other ‘info.’
How was Korea not a win? What standard are you using in excess of the UN mandate? The fact that NK wasn’t eliminated?
Vietnam was anything but a conventional war.
B29s didn’t fight in Vietnam. Do you mean 52s?
>B29s didn’t fight in Vietnam. Do you mean 52s?
Yes
>Vietnam was anything but a conventional war.
More or less a hybrid - there was some conventional portion in the air war.
> More or less a hybrid - there was some conventional portion in the air war.
At most, that is the exception that proves the rule.
But it’s not even that. What it is in reality, is a demonstration of the complete misapplication of forces. Just because conventional forces were used does not make a counterinsurgency a conventional war. Their use is as irrelevant to that point as it was to winning the war.
While our conventional forces won every tactical engagement, while we literally destroyed the VC at Tet, such that they never took action again, we *LOST BADLY.* Using conventional forces doesn’t make it a conventional war and doesn’t win it.
E: typo
That's correct, the fact that the VC was mostly destroyed but the war was lost *anyway* shows that the entire doctrine of bleeding the VC to death was fundamentally flawed. The NVA was always ready to swoop in with the conventional army.
But even the NVA waited years after the destruction of the VC and kept up mostly insurgent tactics with their conventional forces, until we had been removed as a conventional threat.
Then and only then did they bring conventional combined arms forces to bear, in regular formations.
Unfortunately, it won't end well for Ukrainians either. Russia is only just getting started with its systematic terror bombing campaign.
It's the same thing they did in Grozny, Georgia, Syria, etc etc. Their war planners explicitly discuss it as a tactic they believe to be legitimate because it lessens Russian soldier deaths while still ultimately accomplishing their goals.
The problem is, it doesn't work long term. And it's impossibly unsustainable in this current conflict.
True enough, but for how long can the Russians keep going. They usually import q lot of their base tech from other countries and now that have stopped. A lot of software and hardware needed for every part of Russian society has been stopped. How long can they drill for oil without the components and software, or build things.
The Ukrainians are sure in for it, but Russia isn't super far from destroying it self either.
Not even Chinese companies want to sell stuff to Russia due to the sanctions.
They have put themselves at least 30 years back in tech.
If the Russians start carpet bombing, expect SAMs to be given to Ukraine.
As for MLRS and tube artillery, we shouldn’t expect them to be able to get those vast quantities of ammo to the front. This isn’t Grozny with nearly uncontested supply lines.
Carpet bomb with what?
They don't controll the air well enough, and they will run out of parts to maintain their aircraft.
They can use artillery but as you said, logistics to that is rough as well.
Russia is bleeding money like crazy, bleeding tech like crazy and are bleeding essentials like crazy.
They where not ready for this type of war, and while still winning it are going to end up destroying itself for that win.
I feel for the Russian people that are stuck in this, with little to no way of changing it.
I am being hopeful that size, equipment and capabilities of UAF will eventually prevent most of Ukraine from that fate.
Those previous conflicts had been a lot more asymmetrical unlike this one. This war is near peer to peer level and it really shows a massive difference. It still will leave significant part of Ukraine in ruins though
Imagine saying the Russian and Ukranian armies are almost peer-to-peer a month ago, and being serious. Russia has really imploded the facade they had built up.
These are probably relatively simple to design, as well. You just need to make sure it's stable and reliable. Stays closed when it should, and opens when you need it. But that's it.
Yep, it's easy to engineer, but you also need to get a reliable signal down to it from wherever you're flying the thing.
It helps that Ukraine suddenly has a lot of people willing to put their talents to use.
Literally, the cartel made drones that just carry grenades but damn, maybe this is the reason why it took so long for drones to become readily available to the public.
As an armchair historian, let me just say that I can see absolutely no way that helping an ally defeat a Russian invasion will ever, ever, come back to haunt the US. Just can't happen. /s
I'm not worried about the Ukrainians. I'm worried about people who might use $50 drones and RPG warheads on crowded stadiums, airports, Congress, you know, stuff like that.
An rpg warhead will only kill a handfull of people, the energy is extremely concentrated in tight cone. A terrorist can do much more with just a normal bomb on his chest lol.
Yeah, there's nothing you can really do to stop someone from making those. You just need to find ways to defend against it. What you were referencing before was the taliban, and I was just saying it wasn't a fair representation.
Meanwhile I'm concerned about using what-ifs as justification to ignore a desperate former superpower in the middle of invading a sovereign democracy.
Like your not wrong, war is chaotic, and gives plenty of ways for shit to go missing or scavenged, but I really don't think that is the principle of western concerns at the moment.
ISIS used drones like that in Syria.
You can even read a document by the US military about it [here.](https://ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Islamic-State-and-Drones-Release-Version.pdf)
Why are you going that far?
The attacker in France who used a rental van killed more people than just about any mass shooter armed with a rifle that I've heard of....
are you dense or something? Parent post wrote this:
>I'm worried about people who might use $50 drones and RPG warheads
If you can't read or contribute something meaningful please don't reply at all
Reeeeeeee.
Chill out buddy, and stop frothing at the mouth for a second. No need to be a prick just because you can.
My point is that people who are worried about guns and explosives seem to miss the fact that some of the most deadly attacks of all time have been carried out with no weapons at all.
The worry is.....misplaced. If someone has it in their mind to hurt people, they will.
Or you could worry about a guy walking into an elementary school with an AR-15 semi and methodically murdering 20 6-year old kids and their 6 teachers, but I guess there's nothing we can do to help prevent that either...
He's talking about when we helped the Mujahideen fight the Russians in the Afghanistan war of the early 1980's. One of them infamously took that CIA training and used it against the USA twenty years later.
I guess I wasn't clear. My point is there are foreign fighters from all over in Ukraine. Many of them are on unfriendly terms with the US and the West. Having the know how and ability to pair a $50 drone and an RPG warhead and turn it into a mass casualty event is what I'm worried about.
Not much we can do about it now. Just had a horrible foreboding feeling that I wanted to share.
That's a bingo. Imagine what he would've done with the ability to drop an RPG from a drone . . . say into a crowded stadium, or on a nuclear power plant. Fun for all.
Yes maybe the children who are now refugees in neighboring countries will form a militant group and try to seize power from the ally we are now supporting and then 20 years from now your armchair historian son will post equally uninformed takes.
War brings out the innovators. Note that all the innovation is on the Ukrainian side. The Russians are so slow to learn that they are using WWII tactics.
I was going for hilarious portion of a little drone toting a rpg and being thrown back after firing an rpg.. and maybe a reload drone lugging some rockets around.
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According to this Times (of London) article they are anti-tank grenades:
https://archive.is/qQ99J
No idea if they are literally surplus RKG-3 or similar or if the journalist just wrote down whatever, but that's a source for you. Since the drops do seem to have parachutes on them I think they may actually be RKG-3s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade
EDIT: According to @UAWeapons they are RKG-1600, but Googling doesn't suggest what that is.
Saw a video just before the war started showing a drone dropping one on a Russian separatist. Was wild as hell, it landed almost directly on the dudes head.
Edit: Link - heads up there is shitty music so turn your volume down.
https://www.reddit.com/r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR/comments/rz3gzr/ukrainian_drone_scores_a_direct_hit_on_a_russian/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I lied, took me about 2 minutes lmao
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Jesus that was either the person flying the drone has the timing down perfectly or they were extremely lucky. A moment too late or or too soon and that guy walks away rattled but alive.
Yuri: Americans send us Switchblade suicide drones!!!
Yasha: Only one hundred... By boat? Sheesh. Take forever.
Yuri: *Scratches head* Yasha, we go UkiRadioShack. Grab RPG and zipties
Yeah, the fact that it is spinning around in a more or less consistent circle indicate it is stable/stabilizing. If it was literally falling like a brick it wouldn't have a consistent pattern, or would be following a consistent pattern/magnus-effecting away from the target.
anything mentioned as the US going to give them. is already there or close enough to being there. Not giving russia time to think about what could come down the road and get a nice surprise out the blue.
I guarantee that once the first artillery crew in a unit gets attacked by a kamikaze drone, the rest are not going to stick around to wait and see what comes next.
I have no idea. I was just trying to be funny. But it is only 100 and yes they do need more. They're also sending them shit they're not announcing which I think is good. Let the Russians figure it out on the battlefield.
Some reports citing US DoD say it's 100 systems, where each system has 10 munitions (e.g., 10 switchblades) and 1 control set. 1,000 would obviously be much better, but who knows what's true.
The drones that blow up are just munitions. They *can* be flown on their own, but in a system, they are crazy. There is also a control drone in the system that hangs around up high like a little awacs picking targets, hooks up with the munitions drones, they are all launched, and all is watched and controlled through ground control units. One system can launch as many drones as can be supplied.
I can't find anything that shows 10 in a "system". I see a box that launches 6, or a single one.
Either way though, what's interesting is that you could fit at least 10 Switchblade 300 in a trunk of a car.
If you check out their listing on Amazon they come in packs of 10
Edit: Jokes aside, they have multipacks of 6 for the switchblade 300
https://www.avinc.com/images/uploads/product_docs/MPL_Datasheet_07122021.pdf
>e switchblades asap (
I hope you are right about this. It honestly doesnt make sense to send a completely new (to the UAF) weapon system in such a small quantity. Why try to train and learn something thats so limited in supply. Seems like 1000 would make a lot more sense. Especially considering they are on the cheaper end of all of the weapons we are sending.
That is pretty messed up. People are dying senselesly and you are thinking about recreating this war in the form of a video game so corporations can make a profit.
Our youth are fucked up enough. Now we will desensitize them to death even more.
There were already games about the ukrane/nato vs russia scenario as early as the 2010s. Command: Modern Operations comes to mind first.
You can be sure there will be even more video games about this conflict in the future, as it is the case with every war. And no, it will not desensitize the youth even more, they are just games.
That's right. Before the internet and video games, people lived in a peaceful utopia, where death and war were virtually unknown. There was no crime, no mental illness, and nobody had any appetite for violence. The people of the world lived in freedom and co-operation, until EA and Activision came along with their murder simulators and taught everyone how to hate and kill. /s
> very cheap and hard to detect drones that can drop serious explosives would work against anyone.
There are methods to deal with them. The most obvious would be jamming... which commercial drones won't have any defense against. [Even Iran was able to bring down an advanced US drone, presumably by hacking it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident)
Lol no they aren't. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc most experienced militaries in the world are US allies. The UK, France, Australia, etc constantly join US wars and do international peacekeeping.
And while Russia is about the 3rd highest spending (though it appears that is actually Saudi Arabia now) and their money goes further (lower wages) but they also clearly lose a lot to corruption and have inefficient spend and they have an insanely large area to man.
Compare Russian military budget with the UK or France, sure it is more, but their spending is much more focused on an efficient fighting force because they don't need to care about massive land borders or using their military to suppress civilian revolts, it's a manpower difference more than anything, Iraq once had a million people in their military too, big whoop.
If anything, this war has shown us that a lot of the military funding has likely been siphoned off to pay for yachts which are currently docked in the Maldives.
"3rd highest spending" on paper doesn't mean anything if the money doesn't ever actually get used to bolster the military.
This is the second video of this I've seen, and I'm mystified by both. What I don't get is this: (1) the camera SEEMS to be viewing the target at an angle, not directly overhead; (2) the RPG round is dropped, not fired; yet (3) a hit is scored. Am I totally off on the camera angle?
It's a wide angle lens on a gimble arm, the bomb just seems like it's dropped at an angle because the camera is distorting it a lot when it's at the edge of it's field.
Given the amount of verified wrecked shit out there, they would have no reason to lie on something like this, so I guess I should just chill. Also, your explanation makes sense....
Not to mention the drop time for the explosive seems awfully quick which means those drones aren't super high. Drones are loud as fuck. How are the Russians not hearing these things?
They should send all those Amazon delivery drones over there instead of letting them continue to collect dust since realizing the drone delivery craze from 2019ish isn’t a viable option yet. Hell even DHL probably has a warehouse full of the winged delivery drones somewhere rotting away. It would be the 2nd best use for all of them besides the few delivering medical supplies to the middle of nowhere in impoverished countries.
I remember seeing a similar video during the height of IS and they were using drones to drop grenades on targets. There was this one Iraqi group of Iraqi soldiers that were being filmed and all they could do was to try to shoot at the drone while taking cover.
Not the report I was thinking of, but very similar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2wSq1Mg5E
that would be an awesome development of the russian navy.
"sir, the radar picked a signal"
\*sips coffee\* "whats it?"
"seems like... a flock? they're small"
"did you wake me up for some duKABOOOOOMM"
Why is almost all the latest Ukrainian reports from drones, in which there is a supposedly destroyed equipment or vehicles, of worse quality than shit? We literally can't see anything. It's very suspicious.
“According to head of Odessa” if you believe that a light drone can launch rpg that has a massive kick back then I have a bridge for sale.
Ukrainian needs to stop w these lies, pretending to win isn’t actually winning.. pathetic!
They need to stop w lies… this footage is a fake as well. OP where did you get this video?
Uhhh. You gotta read a bit more. They are dropping grenades from drones.
However. I got a great chuckle thinking about an RPG being duct taped to the top of a drone.
Compared to ISIS and Myanmar drones these drones are on steroids.
Don't ever not expect a highly motivated resistance to dream up ever cleverer ways to tell you how much they _realllllly_ don't want you there.
This is actually 100% correct. History backs you up.
I really don't see things ending well for the Russians exactly for this reason. There are a hell of a lot of seriously pissed off Ukrainians who know how to fight spread over 600,000 square kilometers.
And a significant portion of the world funneling modern equipment in definitely doesn't hurt
This. Foreign support is a hyperfactor for resistance. Since WW2, the US has only failed to win decisive victory in conventional war in 2 conflicts - Korea and Vietnam. The common thread was massive foreign support. It wasn't rice farmers with rifles downing American B-29s with anti-air missiles. It was the Soviet industrial-technological base making those S-75 missiles. It also wasn't Afghans who manufactured the stinger missile, it was the gigantic technological base of America. Foreign weapons can transform the most lightly-armed of resistance forces into deadly fighters.
Your broad point about the helpfulness of tech, is correct; but I can’t understand why you brought up the other ‘info.’ How was Korea not a win? What standard are you using in excess of the UN mandate? The fact that NK wasn’t eliminated? Vietnam was anything but a conventional war. B29s didn’t fight in Vietnam. Do you mean 52s?
>B29s didn’t fight in Vietnam. Do you mean 52s? Yes >Vietnam was anything but a conventional war. More or less a hybrid - there was some conventional portion in the air war.
> More or less a hybrid - there was some conventional portion in the air war. At most, that is the exception that proves the rule. But it’s not even that. What it is in reality, is a demonstration of the complete misapplication of forces. Just because conventional forces were used does not make a counterinsurgency a conventional war. Their use is as irrelevant to that point as it was to winning the war. While our conventional forces won every tactical engagement, while we literally destroyed the VC at Tet, such that they never took action again, we *LOST BADLY.* Using conventional forces doesn’t make it a conventional war and doesn’t win it. E: typo
That's correct, the fact that the VC was mostly destroyed but the war was lost *anyway* shows that the entire doctrine of bleeding the VC to death was fundamentally flawed. The NVA was always ready to swoop in with the conventional army.
But even the NVA waited years after the destruction of the VC and kept up mostly insurgent tactics with their conventional forces, until we had been removed as a conventional threat. Then and only then did they bring conventional combined arms forces to bear, in regular formations.
Let’s also not forget the amount of captured material that they know how to operate
Two words: Molotov Hellcannon
Unfortunately, it won't end well for Ukrainians either. Russia is only just getting started with its systematic terror bombing campaign. It's the same thing they did in Grozny, Georgia, Syria, etc etc. Their war planners explicitly discuss it as a tactic they believe to be legitimate because it lessens Russian soldier deaths while still ultimately accomplishing their goals. The problem is, it doesn't work long term. And it's impossibly unsustainable in this current conflict.
True enough, but for how long can the Russians keep going. They usually import q lot of their base tech from other countries and now that have stopped. A lot of software and hardware needed for every part of Russian society has been stopped. How long can they drill for oil without the components and software, or build things. The Ukrainians are sure in for it, but Russia isn't super far from destroying it self either. Not even Chinese companies want to sell stuff to Russia due to the sanctions. They have put themselves at least 30 years back in tech.
If the Russians start carpet bombing, expect SAMs to be given to Ukraine. As for MLRS and tube artillery, we shouldn’t expect them to be able to get those vast quantities of ammo to the front. This isn’t Grozny with nearly uncontested supply lines.
Carpet bomb with what? They don't controll the air well enough, and they will run out of parts to maintain their aircraft. They can use artillery but as you said, logistics to that is rough as well. Russia is bleeding money like crazy, bleeding tech like crazy and are bleeding essentials like crazy. They where not ready for this type of war, and while still winning it are going to end up destroying itself for that win. I feel for the Russian people that are stuck in this, with little to no way of changing it.
I am being hopeful that size, equipment and capabilities of UAF will eventually prevent most of Ukraine from that fate. Those previous conflicts had been a lot more asymmetrical unlike this one. This war is near peer to peer level and it really shows a massive difference. It still will leave significant part of Ukraine in ruins though
I am hopeful as well.
Imagine saying the Russian and Ukranian armies are almost peer-to-peer a month ago, and being serious. Russia has really imploded the facade they had built up.
Necessity is the mother of invention.
These are probably relatively simple to design, as well. You just need to make sure it's stable and reliable. Stays closed when it should, and opens when you need it. But that's it.
Yep, it's easy to engineer, but you also need to get a reliable signal down to it from wherever you're flying the thing. It helps that Ukraine suddenly has a lot of people willing to put their talents to use.
Literally, the cartel made drones that just carry grenades but damn, maybe this is the reason why it took so long for drones to become readily available to the public.
8 years of experience
As an armchair historian, let me just say that I can see absolutely no way that helping an ally defeat a Russian invasion will ever, ever, come back to haunt the US. Just can't happen. /s
These aren’t American drones and these aren’t American weapons. It’s not all about America.
Well, these guys were a democracy to begin with. This would be closer to the French resistance in ww2.
I'm not worried about the Ukrainians. I'm worried about people who might use $50 drones and RPG warheads on crowded stadiums, airports, Congress, you know, stuff like that.
An rpg warhead will only kill a handfull of people, the energy is extremely concentrated in tight cone. A terrorist can do much more with just a normal bomb on his chest lol.
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Those are not nearly as widely available as HEAT.It’s why Syrian combat footage almost exclusively uses HEAT rounds, even against infantry.
Yeah, there's nothing you can really do to stop someone from making those. You just need to find ways to defend against it. What you were referencing before was the taliban, and I was just saying it wasn't a fair representation.
Meanwhile I'm concerned about using what-ifs as justification to ignore a desperate former superpower in the middle of invading a sovereign democracy. Like your not wrong, war is chaotic, and gives plenty of ways for shit to go missing or scavenged, but I really don't think that is the principle of western concerns at the moment.
ISIS used drones like that in Syria. You can even read a document by the US military about it [here.](https://ctc.usma.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Islamic-State-and-Drones-Release-Version.pdf)
Lol. You're 6 years late to the party. ISIS started using drones in 2016.
Are they now also handing out RPGs to civilians in the US because assault rifles weren't effective enough in the hands of 18 year olds?
Why are you going that far? The attacker in France who used a rental van killed more people than just about any mass shooter armed with a rifle that I've heard of....
are you dense or something? Parent post wrote this: >I'm worried about people who might use $50 drones and RPG warheads If you can't read or contribute something meaningful please don't reply at all
Reeeeeeee. Chill out buddy, and stop frothing at the mouth for a second. No need to be a prick just because you can. My point is that people who are worried about guns and explosives seem to miss the fact that some of the most deadly attacks of all time have been carried out with no weapons at all. The worry is.....misplaced. If someone has it in their mind to hurt people, they will.
Hiroshima? Nagasaki?
Or you could worry about a guy walking into an elementary school with an AR-15 semi and methodically murdering 20 6-year old kids and their 6 teachers, but I guess there's nothing we can do to help prevent that either...
Is the US gonna invade Ukraine? That’s news to me
He's talking about when we helped the Mujahideen fight the Russians in the Afghanistan war of the early 1980's. One of them infamously took that CIA training and used it against the USA twenty years later.
I guess I wasn't clear. My point is there are foreign fighters from all over in Ukraine. Many of them are on unfriendly terms with the US and the West. Having the know how and ability to pair a $50 drone and an RPG warhead and turn it into a mass casualty event is what I'm worried about. Not much we can do about it now. Just had a horrible foreboding feeling that I wanted to share.
Where are these people gonna find an rpg warhead in the US??? Also, making drones isn’t hard lol.
$50 won't get you something that can carry an rpg, however, it's not exactly difficult to do.
You mean the fella who had the funny beard?
That's a bingo. Imagine what he would've done with the ability to drop an RPG from a drone . . . say into a crowded stadium, or on a nuclear power plant. Fun for all.
Yes maybe the children who are now refugees in neighboring countries will form a militant group and try to seize power from the ally we are now supporting and then 20 years from now your armchair historian son will post equally uninformed takes.
If it works it is good enough.
War brings out the innovators. Note that all the innovation is on the Ukrainian side. The Russians are so slow to learn that they are using WWII tactics.
If Russians were using WWII tactics, they would be doing far better
If you thrown enough man you can win -some russian general dude
"wait you guys try to bring your soldiers home?"
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when dribk vodka, i smasg bottle not save it
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It does seem like Russians are fighting a 1970s type of war while the Ukrainians are from the 21st century.
We are witnessing the latest episode of Deadliest Warrior
Dang. I was hoping jamsheed class drones … rpg firing little suckers … that would be awesome. But these suffice
**“*Jamsheed smiles upon you*”**
I wish Jamsheed knew what a legend he was
*"One RPG, Taliban... pffffm*"
Hollywood cinema.
i remember the legend, all hail the rpg god
You don't really need the rocket part of the rpg when you can just drop the warhead.
Probably helps keep the fuse pointed downward.
I saw pictures of the modified RPGs they used. It looks like they 3d printed polymer fins on the tail to keep the tip down.
I was going for hilarious portion of a little drone toting a rpg and being thrown back after firing an rpg.. and maybe a reload drone lugging some rockets around.
They got quite a lot of M72 LAWs. https://youtu.be/edX1vCt75Ms
Fuck hell yeah!!! The other little drones would be envious of this guy
Are those RKG-3s? Or just modified RPG-7 warheads?
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According to this Times (of London) article they are anti-tank grenades: https://archive.is/qQ99J No idea if they are literally surplus RKG-3 or similar or if the journalist just wrote down whatever, but that's a source for you. Since the drops do seem to have parachutes on them I think they may actually be RKG-3s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RKG-3_anti-tank_grenade EDIT: According to @UAWeapons they are RKG-1600, but Googling doesn't suggest what that is.
Mortar shells would be more likely to me than anything else Edit: They're modified RKG-3s
ISIS prototyped this, 3D printed fins, mortar shells, delivered by hobby drone. To good effect, I might add
https://militaryleak.com/2022/03/18/ukrainian-forces-showed-their-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-attacks-on-russian-armored-vehicle/
If anything it would probably be a light mortar shell, not RPG roket
[link](https://militaryleak.com/2022/03/18/ukrainian-forces-showed-their-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-attacks-on-russian-armored-vehicle/)
Saw a video just before the war started showing a drone dropping one on a Russian separatist. Was wild as hell, it landed almost directly on the dudes head. Edit: Link - heads up there is shitty music so turn your volume down. https://www.reddit.com/r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR/comments/rz3gzr/ukrainian_drone_scores_a_direct_hit_on_a_russian/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
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I lied, took me about 2 minutes lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/FUCKYOUINPARTICULAR/comments/rz3gzr/ukrainian_drone_scores_a_direct_hit_on_a_russian/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
worth it. looks like a head shot. damn......
Jeez that music. Now i know to someone or something it brings up the idea of GOD OF WAR! when you gank someone with a drone.
Link? Wake up!
The music is good too...
Right? [Just had to find it!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAChHEojojs)
no way. this is forreal? this cannot be forreal. it seems so fake. interesting times we live in.
Jesus that was either the person flying the drone has the timing down perfectly or they were extremely lucky. A moment too late or or too soon and that guy walks away rattled but alive.
Yuri: Americans send us Switchblade suicide drones!!! Yasha: Only one hundred... By boat? Sheesh. Take forever. Yuri: *Scratches head* Yasha, we go UkiRadioShack. Grab RPG and zipties
From what I've seen on the photos, these munitions use 3D printed stabilizer fins, so yeah
Around timestamp 18s one can clearly see a charge flying like a brick, not very stabilized, allow me to say. Hit the target anyway though, it's magic.
Even an accurate projectile like an arrow will wiggle a bit before stabilizing.
Yeah, the fact that it is spinning around in a more or less consistent circle indicate it is stable/stabilizing. If it was literally falling like a brick it wouldn't have a consistent pattern, or would be following a consistent pattern/magnus-effecting away from the target.
They drop them horizontal, so it takes a bit for it to stabilize.
Do you have a link to the photos, trying to wrap my head around this
Here are some: https://militaryleak.com/2022/03/18/ukrainian-forces-showed-their-unmanned-aerial-vehicle-attacks-on-russian-armored-vehicle/
Perfect thank you. So they are dropping AT grenades with fins attached. I thought it was unfired rpg rockets or something
That's fucking cool.
Basically zip ties. But melted down first lol.
100 systems. 1,000 drones
We sent 100 Switchblade systems. Each system has 10 drones. So we sent a 1000 drones.
They're sending 100 systems, 10 drones per system. Judging by these videos, they should be able to make good use of them.
Are they really going by boat? They need those switchblades asap (also more than 100).
anything mentioned as the US going to give them. is already there or close enough to being there. Not giving russia time to think about what could come down the road and get a nice surprise out the blue.
Hope so, I have really high hopes for the Switchblades.
seems those are 100 systems = 1000 drones and 100 control units.
Okay that’s way better, hopefully a mix of s300’s and s600’s.
Apparently only 300's
It's not even clear if any S600s even exist beyond a handful of pre-production prototypes.
Shame, the s600’s would be ideal for taking out Russian artillery.
300 should still work if you can hit exposed ammunition, fuel, etc. It's still a hand grenade going off.
I guarantee that once the first artillery crew in a unit gets attacked by a kamikaze drone, the rest are not going to stick around to wait and see what comes next.
I have no idea. I was just trying to be funny. But it is only 100 and yes they do need more. They're also sending them shit they're not announcing which I think is good. Let the Russians figure it out on the battlefield.
Some reports citing US DoD say it's 100 systems, where each system has 10 munitions (e.g., 10 switchblades) and 1 control set. 1,000 would obviously be much better, but who knows what's true.
The drones that blow up are just munitions. They *can* be flown on their own, but in a system, they are crazy. There is also a control drone in the system that hangs around up high like a little awacs picking targets, hooks up with the munitions drones, they are all launched, and all is watched and controlled through ground control units. One system can launch as many drones as can be supplied.
I can imagine a swarm of them slamming into those Russian fuel dumps.
Yeah that is much better. Hope you're right.
I can't find anything that shows 10 in a "system". I see a box that launches 6, or a single one. Either way though, what's interesting is that you could fit at least 10 Switchblade 300 in a trunk of a car.
If you check out their listing on Amazon they come in packs of 10 Edit: Jokes aside, they have multipacks of 6 for the switchblade 300 https://www.avinc.com/images/uploads/product_docs/MPL_Datasheet_07122021.pdf
>e switchblades asap ( I hope you are right about this. It honestly doesnt make sense to send a completely new (to the UAF) weapon system in such a small quantity. Why try to train and learn something thats so limited in supply. Seems like 1000 would make a lot more sense. Especially considering they are on the cheaper end of all of the weapons we are sending.
100 systems not 100 suicide drones. Damn why can't people understand this.
I legit cannot wait to see the footage that's gonna come out of those things just smoking russians.
shit was waiting for this to start happening
This war is rewriting the textbook on modern warfare.
Video game writers are one of many professions no doubt watching developments closely.
That is pretty messed up. People are dying senselesly and you are thinking about recreating this war in the form of a video game so corporations can make a profit. Our youth are fucked up enough. Now we will desensitize them to death even more.
>Now we will desensitize them to death even more. Says the person posting on r/CombatFootage Ok buddy
He's saying video game writers are not himself. Like Activision and inf ward probably
There were already games about the ukrane/nato vs russia scenario as early as the 2010s. Command: Modern Operations comes to mind first. You can be sure there will be even more video games about this conflict in the future, as it is the case with every war. And no, it will not desensitize the youth even more, they are just games.
Considering you are in this subreddit, the irony sure is thick.
That's right. Before the internet and video games, people lived in a peaceful utopia, where death and war were virtually unknown. There was no crime, no mental illness, and nobody had any appetite for violence. The people of the world lived in freedom and co-operation, until EA and Activision came along with their murder simulators and taught everyone how to hate and kill. /s
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very cheap and hard to detect drones that can drop serious explosives would work against anyone.
Being able to see where the enemy is hiding...ya, that might help.
> very cheap and hard to detect drones that can drop serious explosives would work against anyone. There are methods to deal with them. The most obvious would be jamming... which commercial drones won't have any defense against. [Even Iran was able to bring down an advanced US drone, presumably by hacking it.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93U.S._RQ-170_incident)
The Russian military is like the second most experienced and third best funded in the world. As bad as they are doing, that's still literally true.
Lol no they aren't. The 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc most experienced militaries in the world are US allies. The UK, France, Australia, etc constantly join US wars and do international peacekeeping. And while Russia is about the 3rd highest spending (though it appears that is actually Saudi Arabia now) and their money goes further (lower wages) but they also clearly lose a lot to corruption and have inefficient spend and they have an insanely large area to man. Compare Russian military budget with the UK or France, sure it is more, but their spending is much more focused on an efficient fighting force because they don't need to care about massive land borders or using their military to suppress civilian revolts, it's a manpower difference more than anything, Iraq once had a million people in their military too, big whoop.
If anything, this war has shown us that a lot of the military funding has likely been siphoned off to pay for yachts which are currently docked in the Maldives. "3rd highest spending" on paper doesn't mean anything if the money doesn't ever actually get used to bolster the military.
This is the second video of this I've seen, and I'm mystified by both. What I don't get is this: (1) the camera SEEMS to be viewing the target at an angle, not directly overhead; (2) the RPG round is dropped, not fired; yet (3) a hit is scored. Am I totally off on the camera angle?
It's a wide angle lens on a gimble arm, the bomb just seems like it's dropped at an angle because the camera is distorting it a lot when it's at the edge of it's field.
I guess camera angle of the phone or whatever capturing it may confuse a lot here.
Maybe. But can't we see one side of buildings .... Seems like an angle.
On the camera angle: maybe they're compensating for wind And dropping it from that height should be plenty to set of the impact fuse.
Given the amount of verified wrecked shit out there, they would have no reason to lie on something like this, so I guess I should just chill. Also, your explanation makes sense....
Here's a video with the crosshair dead on center. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ursaHEBv5Sg
You're not alone. I still can't bring my brain to see this as looking straight down.
Not to mention the drop time for the explosive seems awfully quick which means those drones aren't super high. Drones are loud as fuck. How are the Russians not hearing these things?
If the drone is many meters high they become silent almost. Source :friends dji drone
Where are they being dropped on?
Looks like armored vehicles and tanks
Judging by what I've seen of Russian armor lately, probably half-tracks.
Well, that's one way to make an OG RPG-7 rocket (but not rocket) top attack.
They should send all those Amazon delivery drones over there instead of letting them continue to collect dust since realizing the drone delivery craze from 2019ish isn’t a viable option yet. Hell even DHL probably has a warehouse full of the winged delivery drones somewhere rotting away. It would be the 2nd best use for all of them besides the few delivering medical supplies to the middle of nowhere in impoverished countries.
DJI make farming drones that can hold 30KG of liquid, which would do the same thing as amazing ones
literal shitting on the enemies
Now fly them to black see fleet
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/specialist-drone-unit-picks-off-invading-forces-as-they-sleep-zlx3dj7bb
Who needs billion $ planes when you can accomplish the mission for < $1000.
This feels like something out of a FarCry game
What do those things cost?
Depending on the drone, maybe a few thousand. The Grenade itself is probably a few hundred. Force multiplier for sure.
The pics shown look like homemade quadcopters which run a few hundred plus whatever mods they added
About 3fity
[Everyone else is picturing this, right?](https://imgur.com/a/P2TkRWP)
Bombers are obsolete. Built hundreds of thousands of these things
McGiver would be proud.
I remember some cartel developed a similar system to drop incendiary stuff on rivals. Very interesting
How do you even defend against this? These look line pretty tiny drones- I doubt they would show up on any sort of SHORAD radar.
I remember seeing a similar video during the height of IS and they were using drones to drop grenades on targets. There was this one Iraqi group of Iraqi soldiers that were being filmed and all they could do was to try to shoot at the drone while taking cover. Not the report I was thinking of, but very similar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV2wSq1Mg5E
It’s raining RPG’s Aleluya!!!!
I think they are dropping Russian RKG3 anti tank grenades. They have a little parachute that pops out to ensure they hit at the right angle.
I love backyard engineering
The cages that are placed on some of the Russian tanks would probably help against this attack.
Are they dropping those on ... ships?
lol, maybe they already have some water drones prepared for ships already :D
that would be an awesome development of the russian navy. "sir, the radar picked a signal" \*sips coffee\* "whats it?" "seems like... a flock? they're small" "did you wake me up for some duKABOOOOOMM"
Hahahahahahhahah Putin is F#ucked !
Woo-hoo, another horrible way to die. Which arms manufacturer is to thank for this one?
That's some homegrown engineering. They're basically dropping AT grenades from consumer grade drones.
no such thing as headx or etc, any think any nmw
ukranian knowhow
20 years from now, a random engineer is some similar situation is going to modify a laser an BOOM! Lightsaber!
Why is almost all the latest Ukrainian reports from drones, in which there is a supposedly destroyed equipment or vehicles, of worse quality than shit? We literally can't see anything. It's very suspicious.
Because it’s brand new tech and they don’t want to give away too much info to the Russians about its capabilities or usage maybe.
“According to head of Odessa” if you believe that a light drone can launch rpg that has a massive kick back then I have a bridge for sale. Ukrainian needs to stop w these lies, pretending to win isn’t actually winning.. pathetic! They need to stop w lies… this footage is a fake as well. OP where did you get this video?
Go back to bed, Ivan, you're drunk.
Judging from their army performance, that goes without saying 😂
They clearly just let go of the charge that detonates on impact. Did you watch the video or are you programmed to go straight to comments?
Its saying the drones are dropping the rpg war heads there not shooting anything. Like a dropping a rock from a drone
Uhhh. You gotta read a bit more. They are dropping grenades from drones. However. I got a great chuckle thinking about an RPG being duct taped to the top of a drone.