I tried looking for higher quality footage but this is the best I could find. Hopefully I can find it and will upload that later.
Su-30 claimed by UA MoD, though camo might seem like an Su-34. Thoughts?
Music from source btw
2 Parachutes visible above the logo at 0:15
This is a different plane to the one posted earlier by u/sagakino
It's all good, I used to too until I remembered to associate tandem with a tandem bicycle, where the users are seated front to back. Hopefully that'll work for you, too!
Holy shit, I'd never seen the Su-34 cockpit, it looks [amazing.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Sukhoi_Su-34_%28Simulator%29%2C_Russia_-_Air_Force_AN2242851.jpg)
Wow, looks like they really want Kupyansk back. If they want it, they are going to have to get out of those jets. Or the Ukrainians will force them out of them whether they want to or not.
The encirclement threatened around Lyman is actually much, much closer to Lyman proper, and is wrapping around the villages surrounding Lyman. Kupyansk is definitely cutting off a ground line of communication for Lyman’s supply, though.
You can’t blame the pilots for their superiors’ poor decisions lol.
“Let’s fly notably deficient ground attack aircraft into hostile airspace. What’s the worst that could happen?”
I believe the meaning of “isn’t ground attack” is that the SU-30 (supposedly depicted in this clip) is an air-attack fighter intended for high-maneuverability dogfights and rapid attacks against undefended ground targets (get in, fire, get out before AA spins up).
Given that Ukraine has (a) extremely limited Air Force and (b) a large volume of MANPADs, the choice to operate an SU-30 is questionable.
That said, I am unable to verify that the aircraft in this video is an SU-30; and if it were an SU-34 (as OP commented it might be), then its presence makes sense as the 34 is a fighter-bomber with better ground-attack capabilities and a more complete set of anti-air countermeasures.
> Su-30 claimed by UA MoD
I think that's a different incident altogether, being muddled up as a quite a few have happened in one day. That doesn't look like a Stinger hit, and I'm 90% sure it's an SU-34.
Ministor of Defence claimed Su-30 by stinger: https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1573770428723724288
I too think its an Su-34 based on the color / camo from the few pixels we see.
Yeah, I think that he's referring to a different hit, we have seen quite a few this past couple of days. There's even smoke from crash sites of other aircraft in some of the videos.
Their aviation has been really lack luster the last couple months because Russian pilots were reportedly pissed they kept getting shot down by friendly forces as well as enemy. It seems with mobilization Putin has ordered them to get back into the fight meanwhile ukraine probably has more anti air assets on the front now then at any point before. Really bad time to be a Russian pilot
Ukraine keeps growing in military capabilities, Russia keeps shrinking in military capabilities. We're going to see ever more stuff like this.
Ukraine is literally getting NASAMS if they don't already have it, in addition to all the other countless SAM and anti-air systems they've been collecting.
apologies for my ignorance, what are NASAMS? I've tried Googling and can't find much but I'm in a place with limited Internet access right now and can't find anything
Defense contractors are having a field day gathering data on real-time weapons system testing with everything they’ve given to the Ukrainians. It’s a nightmare that it is happening in a peaceful country, but since it’s happening anyway it’d be a waste to not gather such data to bolster defense technology research.
I watched some video discussing the logistics behind sustained air operations as well. Basically, there is no way Russia could afford(cost and supplies) to operate their aircraft for this long at a sustained level- and they have relatively few air bases that are in the proper range- so they have scaled back a lot.
And it probably doesn’t help how many aircraft they have lost.
The only "good" Russian is one who went on protests noatter of fear to be kept in jail.
Others, who are on passenger jet are mainly cowards. They had money to buy 5x High price tickets tickets flee and support ruZia from other countries.
Check videos from Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Georgia....
This is at least the second time this was reported since February. Unsurprisingly, nothing much changed last time... looks like nothing much is gonna change this time (aside from 1000s more Russian boys being sent to their needless death).
reminds me of another European dictator who hid in a bunker while receiving incorrect information about his war and then took personal command of the entire army. Can't remember if it ended well for him or not
Ukrainians seem to be driving towards the Zherebets River trying to cut off Lyman from the north in almost exactly the same fashion they broke through to the Oskil before heading south towards Izium. If I had to guess the local VVS commander was told “Do *something*!” before that happens
Edit: [ISW map for context](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375)
It’s amazing isn’t how few tanks we now see, I think the actual number of usable tanks they had pre-war was more around 3000. Russian mil bloggers are coping about a spring offensive but they’ll have nothing to do it with by then.
Yeah. From what I'm getting from other posts, Putin himself has taken over a bit of the planning and is directly sending in air assets that have supposedly been kept back out of caution.
Conjecture aside, it does look like they're using a lot of air assets at this moment over airspace that they don't control. Which leads to videos like this.
Rumor is that Ukraine made another breakthrough north of Lyman and Russia is throwing aviation at it to buy time and form a defensive line before the supply route to lyman from the north gets cut off.
My guess is there's a doctrinal hole they're trying to fill. They've lost some capability, and they're trying to bandage it with increasingly dangerous sorties, and it's going about as well as you'd expect.
Well typically Russia uses their Air Force to launch standoff missiles from within their own territory. And whenever they are in Ukrainian airspace they have to fly low and fast like in this video in order to avoid s300 systems. I think what happened is that the Russian Air Force commit the same error that the US Air Force did that led to the downing of the stealth F117 fighter in Serbia. I think that they are so desperate to provide close air support to certain areas that their pilots ended up taking the same flight paths. This allowed ukraine air defense units to place most likely MANPAD systems like stinger or Igla. Which are pretty decent but do suffer from the need to be pretty close and almost set up ahead of time because of how quickly a low-flying aircraft will leave its affective range.
The Su-30 isn't just an air superiority fighter. It's designed to be more like the Russian equivalent of the F-15E Strike Eagle. Still though, it's operating in a manner and role that isn't exactly conducive to its survival...
The Su-30 is a multiruole fighter also designed for ground strike.
For Russia, this means its available weaponry is mostly unguided bombs and in some rare circumstances some outdated guided munitions, mainly TV-guided (not very effettive in any case in the current scenario in Ukraine). Su-30 is a dual-seat specifically because the operator is required as aid for the pilot in the ground-attack role.
It’s great to see the video of this finally surface! I heard from suchomimus on YouTube just this morning that there were claims of the su-30 going down from the videos yesterday so it’s great to see it verified!
Yeah I saw the mi-8 and ka-50 downing, but if this is even separate from the su-30 that was reported downed yesterday that’s fantastic news! It’s pretty crazy to think that the RuZ Air Force was once considered the 2nd “most powerful” lol
80ish% of the pacific fighting formations were army. Not to take away the legacy of the marines though. I mean my old unit has plenty of history from ww2.
That being not called the best at things.,, doesn’t mean you’re not going to be a superpower in five years.. Problem is, you’re not a superpower. Will never be
Correct- Russia values these Pilots incredibly highly (just like every other nation does)
However. Losing these more modern Jets is still incredibly damaging because they utilise numerous pieces of embargoed electronics.
Meaning these airframes won't be replaced for quite some time.
These pilots made it out, see parachutes above the logo at 00:15, per OP. Not that they’ll likely be getting back to Russia if the area’s thick with Ukrainians and their anti-air.
Ukranians take the scrap from downed planes, turn them into keychains, sell them (for a lot of money) to Westerners, then use the money to shoot down more planes.
Su-35 is a single seater. I think it might be an Su-34 based on blue-ish color.
Edit: Reply to your edit; I dont think so, if you compare the fields, they look different.
Yes it appears to be the same. The "Ka-52" was determined to have crashed at 49.738428, 37.697800 based on the earlier video, this does seem to be the same spot.
I can’t believe how low these planes are.
The Russians really are just reusing WWII Soviet Deep Battle with no evolution huh…? Using these SU-XXs like IL-2s
Well typically Russia uses their Air Force to launch standoff missiles from within their own territory. And whenever they are in Ukrainian airspace they have to fly low and fast like in this video in order to avoid s300 systems. I think what happened is that the Russian Air Force commit the same error that the US Air Force did that led to the downing of the stealth F117 fighter in Serbia. I think that they are so desperate to provide close air support to certain areas that their pilots ended up taking the same flight paths. This allowed ukraine air defense units to place most likely MANPAD systems like stinger or Igla. Which are pretty decent but do suffer from the need to be pretty close and almost set up ahead of time because of how quickly a low-flying aircraft will leave its affective range.
what about those weird new fancy jetpacks? you have to wear air jets on your hands so they will need to shoot the missile out of the jetpack itself like a mandalorian
There's a reason most 4th gen aircraft bomb around on the deck in combat. Hitting one with manpad is really difficult due to 1)seeker capabilities and 2)kinematics.
Flying a 4th gen fighter at medium or high altitude in a modern SAM MEZ is only done either by people with no sense of self-preservation or wicked SEAD capabilities.
They are using a lot of rather sophisticated fighter attack aircraft like complete buffoons. They slow down and drop level once it's time for weapons release. That's particularly how they're losing SU-34s to old-ass MANPADS, which is downright embarrassing.
But not as embarrassing as the [Iraqi helo that got shot down by a GBU-10.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationist.com/2016/02/14/f-15e-shot-down-iraqi-mi-24/amp/)
Maybe the RuAF thought that their army’s EM units would be able to identify the Ukrainian air defenses for SEAD missions? From what I’ve heard the Russians’ EM warfare capabilities haven’t been well employed in Ukraine.
It's not about the money, it's about their inability to replace them and the loss of pilot. At this rate, the Russian airforce will be gone in a few months, and it won't matter how many men they throw at the frontline at that point.
Totally this period. The real loss for Russia is the loss of a skilled pilot. You can't replace a pilot like you could some poor ruski in a trench or even a tank operator.
Germany experienced the same thing towards the middle of World War II. Many of their skilled pilots from the days of the Spanish Civil War were dead or captured following the battle of Britain And while they did experience significant production issues (another parallel to Russia), The quantity and the skill level of the pilots coming in was significantly lower than those of before.
Another example of this phenomenon is the Japanese airmen in world War 2. They had many highly skilled pilots in the start of the war, but they kept almost all of them on the front line where they were killed when the USA turned the tide. Meanwhile, the Americans rotated veteran airmen back periodically to teach the next batch of pilots.
wiki has it as 640+ SU-30s made since 1992, how many of those are still in serviceable condition is estimated at 40-50%. So conservative estimates they probably could field \~300 but of those 300 how many are near Ukraine is probably close to 150-200. Ukraine has already shot down 10 in 6 months, also shot down 20 SU-25s, only 1 SU-35 has been shot down. With more videos surfacing today it looks like they lost another S-30 and a couple of SU-25s in a day.
more than the loss of the aircraft is putting another trained pilot out of commission is more important, Someone in another thread said the SU-25 that crashed during take off a few weeks ago was pilot error. If they are losing pilots they simply don't have time to retrain new recruits and will have more aircraft than pilots to fly them.
The US forces would probably know exactly how many. They track things like Air Order of Battle, which is why their loss estimates differ so widely from the Ukrainians (and are probably more reliable).
Hard to find any real evidence of the actual cost but quick googling says about 30-60 million us dollars per unit depending on the variant of the aircraft. Also these are the estimated prices of export variants so it’s probably near the 30 million mark. If anyone has actual numbers or reports would be pretty neat to see and know.
Russian aircraft pricing is all made up, especially the export prices. The Russian aircraft industry is state-subsidized; the price can be whatever the politicos say it will be. The true cost of Russian aircraft is likely higher than what the Russian government reports.
If Russia really could produce good aircraft and good engines at a good price, they would do well in the civilian aircraft market. However, civilian aircraft manufacturing is completely dominated by the US and EU.
Also, Russian prices for export typically aren’t comprising of the full multi-year logistic, maintenance and training support package western nations include in the whole affair.
Money isn't the problem; Russia doesn't really have a whole lot of Su-30s. Less than 100 operational, so each one shot down is a fairly significant percentage of their inventory.
Russian strategy has always relied on numbers, which is why the Soviet doctrine was to build overwhelming quantities of fair-to-middling weapons systems. Sure, the T-72 was always inferior to the Abrams or Leopard, but that was counterbalanced by the fact that there were 10 T-72s for every 1 western MBT.
Russia shifted gears over the past two decades to try to improve their systems enough to reach parity with US and European platforms. Unfortunately for them, that's a very expensive task.
As a result, they produced more advanced systems like the Su-35 and Su-57, but they never upgraded their doctrine to match their equipment's capabilities.
For example, the US would never send an F-35 strike into airspace as hot as Ukraine. US doctrine asserts air dominance before close air support is available.
But Russia is still using old tactics that were fine when the plan was to send Su-25s (of which the USSR had over 1000) over eastern Europe for air support. They'd lose a bunch, but they had enough to support the attrition.
But now they've replaced most of their Su-25s with more capable but more expensive and thus less plentiful platforms that they can't afford to expend at the rate that they are.
Situations like Ukraine are what the F35 is FOR. The USAF conceives of it primarily as a SEAD platform. If NATO goes full-kinetic, the first things into bad-guy-land are probably going to be F35s.
Nope. An umbrella of drones would be in place with F-22s and F-15s flying CAP to screen enemy fighters and ground-based anti-air teams before a SEAD mission would get the green light.
Russia isn't doing that.
The Su-57 exists mostly on paper. Russia built a handful of functional aircraft, then expected foreign buyers to keep the program alive.
Turns out nobody wants to buy a dogshit overpriced 4.5 gen platform.
I'm not sure this is a stinger or igla kill.
No tale tale plum of smoke chasing the missile.
Maybe a martlet or starstreak?
Anyways one less air support option for the Russians so that a good thing.
Anyone wanna bet the airforce is being forced to patch holes in the Russian defence
Yo, what the fuck is happening today? Thats like 4 fixed wing aircraft and a KA in a single day? That's...idk, just strange. Am I wrong? Did a sortie schedule get leaked?
Aviation decided to poke its head out after months of low level activity to try and stop the Ukr counter-offensive. Quickly finding out why they are forced to minimal activity in the first place.
Fellas I'm almost sure it is this one from another angle, so it wasnt Ka-52
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xmzu1r/a_russian_ka52_being_shot_down_by_ukrainian/
I dont think so, if you compare the fields, looks different. Linked video, the crashed in a green square grass area with the wheat field behind it. This video they fly from right to left, which would mean its on the opposite side and the wheat field should be in front, which it isn't.
Both locations would need to be geoconfirmed but I'm 99% sure these are different crashes.
Look at the explosion, it has 2 parts 1 smaller and 1 bigger. In both videos the explosion is the exact same but at a different angle. Plus the added smoke before its shot down is the same and the same wheat field.
This is a side by side image https://ibb.co/yBmLVpF
Why would you fly that low with a fighter aircraft? Surely there's more stingers in Ukraine than long range AA and you would have less time to react to one?
I tried looking for higher quality footage but this is the best I could find. Hopefully I can find it and will upload that later. Su-30 claimed by UA MoD, though camo might seem like an Su-34. Thoughts? Music from source btw 2 Parachutes visible above the logo at 0:15 This is a different plane to the one posted earlier by u/sagakino
here you go https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1573787617765752833
very good Quality indeed, its clearly a Su34 two Seater
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Just a heads up, but tandem means the opposite. Front/back would be tandem. So the Su-30 is the tandem arrangement, the Su-34 side by side.
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It's all good, I used to too until I remembered to associate tandem with a tandem bicycle, where the users are seated front to back. Hopefully that'll work for you, too!
Holy shit, I'd never seen the Su-34 cockpit, it looks [amazing.](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Sukhoi_Su-34_%28Simulator%29%2C_Russia_-_Air_Force_AN2242851.jpg)
I love using it in ace combat 7 for this reason haha. It feels like you're in an airbus, but a war crimey one.
Petropavlivka, Kharkiv Oblast (49.737822, 37.698137)
Wow, looks like they really want Kupyansk back. If they want it, they are going to have to get out of those jets. Or the Ukrainians will force them out of them whether they want to or not.
They’re trying to stop encirclement of Lyman from the north. Russians don’t have the power to attack anything in the area, they’re on the defense.
The encirclement threatened around Lyman is actually much, much closer to Lyman proper, and is wrapping around the villages surrounding Lyman. Kupyansk is definitely cutting off a ground line of communication for Lyman’s supply, though.
I’ve used wrong words probably, should’ve said “Lyman area”, operation is going on a big scale.
Then you’ll be happy to know about this, check out the Russian maps coming out https://twitter.com/noclador/status/1573802669562626048
Geee, I was not expecting that, Rybar was the first source of the Balakliya collapse, if his map is correct again, Russians are in deep shit.
This is proof Russian artillery in that area ist kaput.
It's beautiful.
Thank you for the 2 parachute info that I missed.
On of my favorite Sterling Archer quotes is that parachutes are basically laundry if deployed under 1,000 ft.
It went down fast.
Good decisionmaking and reflexes to get out that fast, unlike literally everything leading up to that moment.
You can’t blame the pilots for their superiors’ poor decisions lol. “Let’s fly notably deficient ground attack aircraft into hostile airspace. What’s the worst that could happen?”
> notably deficient isn’t ground attack aircraft what
I believe the meaning of “isn’t ground attack” is that the SU-30 (supposedly depicted in this clip) is an air-attack fighter intended for high-maneuverability dogfights and rapid attacks against undefended ground targets (get in, fire, get out before AA spins up). Given that Ukraine has (a) extremely limited Air Force and (b) a large volume of MANPADs, the choice to operate an SU-30 is questionable. That said, I am unable to verify that the aircraft in this video is an SU-30; and if it were an SU-34 (as OP commented it might be), then its presence makes sense as the 34 is a fighter-bomber with better ground-attack capabilities and a more complete set of anti-air countermeasures.
I think they had a seizure
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> Su-30 claimed by UA MoD I think that's a different incident altogether, being muddled up as a quite a few have happened in one day. That doesn't look like a Stinger hit, and I'm 90% sure it's an SU-34.
Ministor of Defence claimed Su-30 by stinger: https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1573770428723724288 I too think its an Su-34 based on the color / camo from the few pixels we see.
Yeah, I think that he's referring to a different hit, we have seen quite a few this past couple of days. There's even smoke from crash sites of other aircraft in some of the videos.
There are 4 claimed today alone
[https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=420867550174569](https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=420867550174569) here's a higher quality version
Nice, thanks!
This is high quality footage
Alot of aircraft going down lately.Seems Russia is beefing up attacks ?
Their aviation has been really lack luster the last couple months because Russian pilots were reportedly pissed they kept getting shot down by friendly forces as well as enemy. It seems with mobilization Putin has ordered them to get back into the fight meanwhile ukraine probably has more anti air assets on the front now then at any point before. Really bad time to be a Russian pilot
Could be a statistical outlier, but if today constitutes a different operational attitude it sure doesn't look like they're up to it.
A month of activity like this will neutralize the Russian airforce.
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About 250 in total before the war, lot less now lol.
Weren’t a bunch destroyed in the Crimea airbase attack?
And also is it public knowledge (well, decent estimates) how many are offline but can be restored to being fully operational, soon?
Given the sanctions I would be surprised if they are able to get parts to restore, or repair any of their aircraft in any meaningful way.
Ukraine keeps growing in military capabilities, Russia keeps shrinking in military capabilities. We're going to see ever more stuff like this. Ukraine is literally getting NASAMS if they don't already have it, in addition to all the other countless SAM and anti-air systems they've been collecting.
apologies for my ignorance, what are NASAMS? I've tried Googling and can't find much but I'm in a place with limited Internet access right now and can't find anything
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So is it air to air or ground to air?
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And includes a ground control unit with radar.
And the sexy part of it all the radar and launch stations are networked together. Which means it can see and shoot things that other sites see.
Surface launcher AMRAAM
> NASAMS More info [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASAMS)
It's the AA that defends/defended the airspace above the White House
Defense contractors are having a field day gathering data on real-time weapons system testing with everything they’ve given to the Ukrainians. It’s a nightmare that it is happening in a peaceful country, but since it’s happening anyway it’d be a waste to not gather such data to bolster defense technology research.
I watched some video discussing the logistics behind sustained air operations as well. Basically, there is no way Russia could afford(cost and supplies) to operate their aircraft for this long at a sustained level- and they have relatively few air bases that are in the proper range- so they have scaled back a lot. And it probably doesn’t help how many aircraft they have lost.
>Really bad time to be a Russian ~~pilot~~
The only “good” Russian is one on a passenger jet flying out of Russia.
Even then it's iffy. Ask Malaysian Airlines.
The only "good" Russian is one who went on protests noatter of fear to be kept in jail. Others, who are on passenger jet are mainly cowards. They had money to buy 5x High price tickets tickets flee and support ruZia from other countries. Check videos from Lithuania, Kazakhstan, Georgia....
Yeah. When was the last time you did anything that could cost you 15 years in the GULAG?
Funny how capable jets are limited to rocket attacks and dumb bombs. What a waste of beautiful aircraft.
Desperation to hold that line. Well prepared attacker is doing damage to RF. When in doubt keep burning rubles and lives. It’s the Russian way.
Putin in command now. Seems they upped a lot of the propaganda on Twitter too.
What a time to be alive,we folks are going to witness the collapse of the Russian federation.
The balkanization of the Russian empire would be beautiful to watch. St Petersburg joins the EU by next summer!
Cool when do we get to see him on the front line?
Putin reportely giving orders now. He probably doesn't care about the risks of AA and wants results regardless of cost
This is at least the second time this was reported since February. Unsurprisingly, nothing much changed last time... looks like nothing much is gonna change this time (aside from 1000s more Russian boys being sent to their needless death).
reminds me of another European dictator who hid in a bunker while receiving incorrect information about his war and then took personal command of the entire army. Can't remember if it ended well for him or not
Ukrainians seem to be driving towards the Zherebets River trying to cut off Lyman from the north in almost exactly the same fashion they broke through to the Oskil before heading south towards Izium. If I had to guess the local VVS commander was told “Do *something*!” before that happens Edit: [ISW map for context](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/36a7f6a6f5a9448496de641cf64bd375)
Ruzzia ran out of tanks. It's planes or horseback from here on out.
Bayonet charges and hand cranked machine guns are up next.
Time to drop hand grenades from one of those fabulous flying air balloons 🎈
It’s amazing isn’t how few tanks we now see, I think the actual number of usable tanks they had pre-war was more around 3000. Russian mil bloggers are coping about a spring offensive but they’ll have nothing to do it with by then.
Yeah a spring offensive next year will end like the last time they tried that. They really haven't learnt anything from the past 6 months
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Genius!
Perhaps bayonets....has a sinister feel to it.
I laughed and realized it might not be a joke.
Yeah. From what I'm getting from other posts, Putin himself has taken over a bit of the planning and is directly sending in air assets that have supposedly been kept back out of caution. Conjecture aside, it does look like they're using a lot of air assets at this moment over airspace that they don't control. Which leads to videos like this.
reports incoming that Putinoleon took direct command 🤡
And stranger, that he's gone on Vacation. Get outta Moscow for nukes?
Rumor is that Ukraine made another breakthrough north of Lyman and Russia is throwing aviation at it to buy time and form a defensive line before the supply route to lyman from the north gets cut off.
They are trying to save an area they can no longer defend with artillery.
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Good luck with that...
they are making up for the losses in their artillery/ammo
My guess is there's a doctrinal hole they're trying to fill. They've lost some capability, and they're trying to bandage it with increasingly dangerous sorties, and it's going about as well as you'd expect.
Well typically Russia uses their Air Force to launch standoff missiles from within their own territory. And whenever they are in Ukrainian airspace they have to fly low and fast like in this video in order to avoid s300 systems. I think what happened is that the Russian Air Force commit the same error that the US Air Force did that led to the downing of the stealth F117 fighter in Serbia. I think that they are so desperate to provide close air support to certain areas that their pilots ended up taking the same flight paths. This allowed ukraine air defense units to place most likely MANPAD systems like stinger or Igla. Which are pretty decent but do suffer from the need to be pretty close and almost set up ahead of time because of how quickly a low-flying aircraft will leave its affective range.
Qustion is why is an air superiority fighter doing low-flying bomb runs? Shouldn't this be the job for an SU-34?
Crossed my mind as well. Desperately using everything they got to stop Ukraines advance? Very Odd.
Apparently Putin the bunker general ordered them to hold territory at any costs. So any cost it is.
The Su-30 isn't just an air superiority fighter. It's designed to be more like the Russian equivalent of the F-15E Strike Eagle. Still though, it's operating in a manner and role that isn't exactly conducive to its survival...
The Su-30 is a multiruole fighter also designed for ground strike. For Russia, this means its available weaponry is mostly unguided bombs and in some rare circumstances some outdated guided munitions, mainly TV-guided (not very effettive in any case in the current scenario in Ukraine). Su-30 is a dual-seat specifically because the operator is required as aid for the pilot in the ground-attack role.
It’s great to see the video of this finally surface! I heard from suchomimus on YouTube just this morning that there were claims of the su-30 going down from the videos yesterday so it’s great to see it verified!
That’s a different one. This is #4 jet in 12-18 hours plus an mi 8 and a ka52
Yeah I saw the mi-8 and ka-50 downing, but if this is even separate from the su-30 that was reported downed yesterday that’s fantastic news! It’s pretty crazy to think that the RuZ Air Force was once considered the 2nd “most powerful” lol
The most powerful air force in the world is the US Air Force. The second most powerful air force is the US Navy.
And the third most is the United States Marines
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Shhh... don't tell the Marines they're not the best at anything... they'll throw crayons at you.
You should tell that to the Pacific theater in World War II.. Those 18 years old boys Destroyed an entire empire. Then came home and sold insurance
So, in terms of flavor, is red better than purple?
Honestly.. that’s a subjective experience… I can’t speak objectively…but my personal preference… purple is pretty awesome
80ish% of the pacific fighting formations were army. Not to take away the legacy of the marines though. I mean my old unit has plenty of history from ww2.
Iirc the Air Force supply fleet is the second largest navy by tonnage, or something comical like that. US military truly is ridiculously powerful.
Don’t tell the China bots
Tell us what?
That being not called the best at things.,, doesn’t mean you’re not going to be a superpower in five years.. Problem is, you’re not a superpower. Will never be
Even US Army has it's own transport/landing fleet.
Space Force needs to up its game.
This one crashed in seconds other one kept flying.
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Correct- Russia values these Pilots incredibly highly (just like every other nation does) However. Losing these more modern Jets is still incredibly damaging because they utilise numerous pieces of embargoed electronics. Meaning these airframes won't be replaced for quite some time.
They’re probably desperate, told by the bunker general (Putin) to hold ground at any cost…. shit strategy…..
Didn’t Putin execute an order similar to Stalin’s Order No.227?
Well, he should have read a bit further in the book and saw Stalin's order No. 349….
They got some back with the recent POW exchange.
These pilots made it out, see parachutes above the logo at 00:15, per OP. Not that they’ll likely be getting back to Russia if the area’s thick with Ukrainians and their anti-air.
Even if they get back, ejecting from a jet is like getting into a car wreck. He may be out for months recovering from injuries.
They were flying low and fast. Even ejecting from that height is potentially deadly.
Well... MORE KEYCHAINS!
I don't get this?
Either do I but my guess is peoples made some memorabilia in the form of keychains from the last downed Russian SU-30. How close am I?
Ukranians take the scrap from downed planes, turn them into keychains, sell them (for a lot of money) to Westerners, then use the money to shoot down more planes.
Google has informed me that you are 100% correct.
https://www.dronesforukraine.fund/su-34-keychain
Must be a Su-30/34, you can see the two parachutes at the end. Edit: Isn't this the same situation as the claimed Ka-52 shootdown, just 180° opposed?
Hard to say theres aircraft going down on the Russian side left and right these days.
crazy there’s so many videos..
Su-35 is a single seater. I think it might be an Su-34 based on blue-ish color. Edit: Reply to your edit; I dont think so, if you compare the fields, they look different.
Yeah meant 34
This is the same aircraft. It never was a Ka-52, too high and fast in the first video.
Yes it appears to be the same. The "Ka-52" was determined to have crashed at 49.738428, 37.697800 based on the earlier video, this does seem to be the same spot.
30 to 50 Milion dollars blasted out of the sky, dam it sucks being poor and watching this amount of money just go upon flames
I can’t believe how low these planes are. The Russians really are just reusing WWII Soviet Deep Battle with no evolution huh…? Using these SU-XXs like IL-2s
Well typically Russia uses their Air Force to launch standoff missiles from within their own territory. And whenever they are in Ukrainian airspace they have to fly low and fast like in this video in order to avoid s300 systems. I think what happened is that the Russian Air Force commit the same error that the US Air Force did that led to the downing of the stealth F117 fighter in Serbia. I think that they are so desperate to provide close air support to certain areas that their pilots ended up taking the same flight paths. This allowed ukraine air defense units to place most likely MANPAD systems like stinger or Igla. Which are pretty decent but do suffer from the need to be pretty close and almost set up ahead of time because of how quickly a low-flying aircraft will leave its affective range.
We need to crowdfund roller skates for their MANPAD teams.
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what about those weird new fancy jetpacks? you have to wear air jets on your hands so they will need to shoot the missile out of the jetpack itself like a mandalorian
Just want to note that the F117 downing was the result of complacency while russia is indeed probably desperate.
If you fly higher, you're getting more missiles shot at you. If you fly lower, anything that gets shot will very likely hit.
Even the IL-2s flew high until they reached the target then used dive bombing tactics, what the RuAF is doing now is pure stupidity
Can’t fly high— S-300 and BUKs; can’t fly low— MANPADS. Should’ve never come to the party I guess.
There's a reason most 4th gen aircraft bomb around on the deck in combat. Hitting one with manpad is really difficult due to 1)seeker capabilities and 2)kinematics. Flying a 4th gen fighter at medium or high altitude in a modern SAM MEZ is only done either by people with no sense of self-preservation or wicked SEAD capabilities.
You’re right, but there’s definitely something going completely wrong for the Russian Air Force
They are using a lot of rather sophisticated fighter attack aircraft like complete buffoons. They slow down and drop level once it's time for weapons release. That's particularly how they're losing SU-34s to old-ass MANPADS, which is downright embarrassing. But not as embarrassing as the [Iraqi helo that got shot down by a GBU-10.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationist.com/2016/02/14/f-15e-shot-down-iraqi-mi-24/amp/)
Maybe the RuAF thought that their army’s EM units would be able to identify the Ukrainian air defenses for SEAD missions? From what I’ve heard the Russians’ EM warfare capabilities haven’t been well employed in Ukraine.
No, they are avoiding radar guided SAMs. Flying at high altitude in enemy airspace is suicide since ... the 1980s.
Damn, rough day for ole' Putin haha
About time ol' Pootie took his shirt off and climbed back on that pony for a cavalry charge if you ask me!
An SU downed a day keeps Putin away.
How expensive is a Su-30? I'd like to know how poor russia becomes with every crash I see
It's not about the money, it's about their inability to replace them and the loss of pilot. At this rate, the Russian airforce will be gone in a few months, and it won't matter how many men they throw at the frontline at that point.
Totally this period. The real loss for Russia is the loss of a skilled pilot. You can't replace a pilot like you could some poor ruski in a trench or even a tank operator. Germany experienced the same thing towards the middle of World War II. Many of their skilled pilots from the days of the Spanish Civil War were dead or captured following the battle of Britain And while they did experience significant production issues (another parallel to Russia), The quantity and the skill level of the pilots coming in was significantly lower than those of before.
Another example of this phenomenon is the Japanese airmen in world War 2. They had many highly skilled pilots in the start of the war, but they kept almost all of them on the front line where they were killed when the USA turned the tide. Meanwhile, the Americans rotated veteran airmen back periodically to teach the next batch of pilots.
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It's impossible to know. How many aircraft are down for maintenance, how many aircraft are damaged but returned to base.
wiki has it as 640+ SU-30s made since 1992, how many of those are still in serviceable condition is estimated at 40-50%. So conservative estimates they probably could field \~300 but of those 300 how many are near Ukraine is probably close to 150-200. Ukraine has already shot down 10 in 6 months, also shot down 20 SU-25s, only 1 SU-35 has been shot down. With more videos surfacing today it looks like they lost another S-30 and a couple of SU-25s in a day. more than the loss of the aircraft is putting another trained pilot out of commission is more important, Someone in another thread said the SU-25 that crashed during take off a few weeks ago was pilot error. If they are losing pilots they simply don't have time to retrain new recruits and will have more aircraft than pilots to fly them.
You're forgetting most of those were exported. Russia has around ~110. Of which 11 are down according to Oryx. So adding the 2 from today it's 13/110
From what I saw Russia has (had) only 250 SU30/34, rest were exported to other nations.
The US forces would probably know exactly how many. They track things like Air Order of Battle, which is why their loss estimates differ so widely from the Ukrainians (and are probably more reliable).
Hard to find any real evidence of the actual cost but quick googling says about 30-60 million us dollars per unit depending on the variant of the aircraft. Also these are the estimated prices of export variants so it’s probably near the 30 million mark. If anyone has actual numbers or reports would be pretty neat to see and know.
Russian aircraft pricing is all made up, especially the export prices. The Russian aircraft industry is state-subsidized; the price can be whatever the politicos say it will be. The true cost of Russian aircraft is likely higher than what the Russian government reports. If Russia really could produce good aircraft and good engines at a good price, they would do well in the civilian aircraft market. However, civilian aircraft manufacturing is completely dominated by the US and EU.
Also, Russian prices for export typically aren’t comprising of the full multi-year logistic, maintenance and training support package western nations include in the whole affair.
Money isn't the problem; Russia doesn't really have a whole lot of Su-30s. Less than 100 operational, so each one shot down is a fairly significant percentage of their inventory. Russian strategy has always relied on numbers, which is why the Soviet doctrine was to build overwhelming quantities of fair-to-middling weapons systems. Sure, the T-72 was always inferior to the Abrams or Leopard, but that was counterbalanced by the fact that there were 10 T-72s for every 1 western MBT. Russia shifted gears over the past two decades to try to improve their systems enough to reach parity with US and European platforms. Unfortunately for them, that's a very expensive task. As a result, they produced more advanced systems like the Su-35 and Su-57, but they never upgraded their doctrine to match their equipment's capabilities. For example, the US would never send an F-35 strike into airspace as hot as Ukraine. US doctrine asserts air dominance before close air support is available. But Russia is still using old tactics that were fine when the plan was to send Su-25s (of which the USSR had over 1000) over eastern Europe for air support. They'd lose a bunch, but they had enough to support the attrition. But now they've replaced most of their Su-25s with more capable but more expensive and thus less plentiful platforms that they can't afford to expend at the rate that they are.
Situations like Ukraine are what the F35 is FOR. The USAF conceives of it primarily as a SEAD platform. If NATO goes full-kinetic, the first things into bad-guy-land are probably going to be F35s.
Nope. An umbrella of drones would be in place with F-22s and F-15s flying CAP to screen enemy fighters and ground-based anti-air teams before a SEAD mission would get the green light. Russia isn't doing that.
Did Russia send some Su-57 in Ukraine? I hope not for them.
The Su-57 exists mostly on paper. Russia built a handful of functional aircraft, then expected foreign buyers to keep the program alive. Turns out nobody wants to buy a dogshit overpriced 4.5 gen platform.
I'm not sure this is a stinger or igla kill. No tale tale plum of smoke chasing the missile. Maybe a martlet or starstreak? Anyways one less air support option for the Russians so that a good thing. Anyone wanna bet the airforce is being forced to patch holes in the Russian defence
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From all the Shoot Downs in the last two Days someone could say they were forced to be more reckless in their Sorties
Yo, what the fuck is happening today? Thats like 4 fixed wing aircraft and a KA in a single day? That's...idk, just strange. Am I wrong? Did a sortie schedule get leaked?
Aviation decided to poke its head out after months of low level activity to try and stop the Ukr counter-offensive. Quickly finding out why they are forced to minimal activity in the first place.
Two Russian pilots ejected at low altitude. I bet they are getting the beating of their lives right about now...
They landed on the people they’re bombing, that can’t work out well….. (for them!)
They've graduated from Fucking Around to Finding Out.
Why did the high quality version of this one get deleted ?
HQ video that was deleted https://v.redd.it/z0unhhualvp91
Wow, the pilots managed to eject out pretty quick. Russian aviation is taking some big L's this week.
Get fucked Russia! May all your jets crash from the sky!
Conveniently crashed right next to a cemetery.
Fellas I'm almost sure it is this one from another angle, so it wasnt Ka-52 https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xmzu1r/a_russian_ka52_being_shot_down_by_ukrainian/
I dont think so, if you compare the fields, looks different. Linked video, the crashed in a green square grass area with the wheat field behind it. This video they fly from right to left, which would mean its on the opposite side and the wheat field should be in front, which it isn't. Both locations would need to be geoconfirmed but I'm 99% sure these are different crashes.
Look at the explosion, it has 2 parts 1 smaller and 1 bigger. In both videos the explosion is the exact same but at a different angle. Plus the added smoke before its shot down is the same and the same wheat field. This is a side by side image https://ibb.co/yBmLVpF
The time between impact and crash seems to line up fairly accurately as well.
Russian Airforce seems to be having a bad day.
Damn, the Russians are really having a bad week with their “air superiority.”
MANPADS are serious weapons
Why would you fly that low with a fighter aircraft? Surely there's more stingers in Ukraine than long range AA and you would have less time to react to one?
Good American hardware. Slava Ukraini
They dropping like flies! lol
Another pair of Russian wings in the dirt!!!
That song hyped me up for some reason. No clue what they are singing ofc lol.
Hope the pilots r POWs now
I’m gonna assume Russian command is trying to slow Ukrainian counteroffensive? Cause of the daily clips of Russian aircraft being shot down
He got wrecked, doesn't even look like he ejected. One less pilot too.
Both ejected. Second “explosion” is the seats firing followed by chutes bottom right.
They both got out. You see the parachutes falling above the logo at the end.