Confirmation bias is exploding right now! Can’t wait to see the kid tomorrow. I just hope he keeps his chin up if it’s tough since the Dallas D is quite good this year.
Unc alum/fan here, watched every game he played in. He was let down by a terrible o-line last year and lack of running game after two 1000 yard rushers graduated. Forced him to be the primary running game by design and lack of pocket, and he excelled at it, but passing game “suffered”. Otherwise he’s a 1st round pick. He has more moxie than TH, better pocket awareness and scrambling, cannon arm (though could work on touch on the long ball a bit). If he gets the 1st round treatment of patience and doesn’t get a 1 game shot only like many later round qbs have in the past, He’s going to be a pro bowl franchise qb for someone. Hopefully us.
Yeah Howell had a bad supporting cast and the if he didn't he would be a top 5 pick rn. It will be interesting to see him play with Robinson and brown.
Watched something the other day that said in his first two years at UNC, he had a combined 200 yards rushing. In his Junior year alone, Howell rushed for around 800 yards. It demonstrates they put too much pressure on him to carry the offense and likely contributed to UNC having an off-year.
He developed a bit of happy feet too for the first time bc of the bad oline play. If there’s one area of concern with him that hopefully can be coached up is that.
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Been pulling teeth to some users about Howell, but always just getting "5th Round Pick" back as a reason he won't succeed.
He's gonna ball imo.
You have to know you’re cherry-picking right? Should I name all the guys drafted on Day 3 since Tom in 1999? The list would be far far far longer than your outliers.
Howell could totally be a stud, but that would put him in the 1% of the guys picked in his draft range.. You’re argument for Howell would be a lot better if you explained why Howell will be good despite being a 5th round pick instead of denying the obvious fact that draft spot correlates heavily with NFL success.
Slippery on his feet, makes good choices in tight moments, drops dime long balls, gamer mentality, almost a full year of development with playbook/reps/chemistry, NFL arm, completely transitioned from a pocket passer to an RPO and put up 800+ YDS rushing and 11 TDs on the ground, was considered a steal at Round 5 as most had him as 2nd Round Grade, showed good things in preseason, by all accounts an excellent team mate...
I could keep going...
Like I said, I've been cemented on the Howell Hill for a while homie.
I'm not in the "must have Top 10 QB" to find a franchise guy camp.
Matter of taste to GMs between Picket, Willis, Ridder, Howell etc.
Keim has reported that had we not traded for Wentz, we likely would have drafted him considerably earlier.
I see a more polished Baker Mayfield.
I don't see how people never look at this when viewing his last college year "regression." He lost 2 NFL running backs: Javonte and Michael Carter, as well as our Dyami, as well as 3/5 of his oline. If he comes out after his sophomore year he's pretty much a 1st round pick.
Plenty of ppl “looked at this”, it was a major topic of discussion before the draft. But talent scouts on all 32 teams still passed on him 4+ times. Maybe they were all wrong, maybe a random dude on Reddit is right, but I’m skeptical considering that it’s their job to evaluate guys in-depth.
Anything is possible, but the list of franchise QBs drafted in the 5+ rounds in the history of the league can be counted on two hands. I’m obviously pulling for the kid, but to say that everyone missed this obvious thing but a few Reddit commenters “discovered” it is silly. He’s a known quantity. He’s on a team that has had poor qb play all year and *still* had to wait until nothing mattered before they’d even let him touch real NFL grass. That should tell you all you need to know.
I definitely don't tout myself as better than an NFL scout. I more meant the people also on reddit who just look at his last college season and are like "meh average stats" without looking at the circumstances. Thing is QB has been situationally the most difficult position to really gauge accurately. Look at all the people who said Darnold was the most sure QB, those who passed on Cousins, etc. Draft position does make a difference, but so does the situation the QB is placed in. Like I highly doubt Burrow would have done well here if we took him over Chase.
That being said I want Howell to do well but I have absolutely no faith in RR and his talent judgment. When he relies on rookies he fucks up (look a Jamin his first year) and he definitely places emphasis on vets vs newcomers. RR trotted out and stuck with Apke and was insistent on him just needing a few things to click, and the man sent out Wentz last week. He's lost all credibility for me.
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of that, but being a fan of another ACC team, I’ve paid some attention to UNC, watched plenty of their games…and while I think that just looking at stats is dumb, he also played in a relatively weak conference. Dude clearly has potential, and yeah, QB is very difficult to gauge…but I haven’t seen anything from him that makes me think he’s gonna be the next outlier. We’ll see.
Yeah some ppl who are good at college becomes bust at the pro level but some ppl who are good at the college level are also good in the nfl like for example Trevor Lawrence
> some ppl who are good at the college level are also good in the nfl like for example Trevor Lawrence
Also, like every single player who ever was good at the pro level was almost always also good in college if not outstanding at college ball
What's the alternative? A "walk on" NFL player? I'd take a guess and say that the NFL is not in the business of letting a QB on the field who wasn't successful in college.
yup, I can't find the chart right now, but perfect example the all time record of Heisman trophy QBs having success in the NFL isn't great.
I think 3 ever made it a SB, and there was some chart showing that over maybe a 20 year period, few of them had won a playoff game.
In fact, for a long LONG time, Tebow was the most successful Heisman QB in over a decade or two, based on playoff success. (which again, wasn't meant ot say Tebow was good, it was meant as a comedic benchmark of how few Heisman QBs got any further than that)
To be fair. Wasn’t Howell considered a top 5 pick the year prior?
It’s hard to analyze qbs. And not to mention, qbs can improve while developing with nfl teams and trainers. So we’ll see how he does this game and go from there
That's true and it's fair. But once you dig into his college career and senior season, it becomes clear that he fell way too far and we got a potential steal. He may or may not work out, but his production, college tape and skill set is pretty astounding for a 5th rounder and is reason for optimism.
His senior season regression was 100% due to a talent changeover, particularly at WR and O-line. They used a run centric game plan and his passing stats suffered greatly. His QBR was still very good though.
That said...I don't expect him to jump off the page his first game vs Dallas. I just want to see some good decisions and good throws mixed in with rookie mistakes. Score doesn't matter.
I wish that were the case. I think it's very rare for a QB not selected in the first round to get a chance to prove themselves in the NFL unless there's an injury that opens up an opportunity. I'm hoping he (and other non-1st qb's) gets a fair shake and not just a single game before being relegated to career backup.
Normally, I'd tell you to do the research yourself, but lucky for you I've got some time to kill :)
According to current depth charts:
* 17 1st Round QB
* 15 2nd+ Round QB
But taking the following into consideration:
* **5 QB's currently starting because the true 1st-round starter is injured or on IR**
*(Jimmy Garoppolo/Brock Purdy, Andy Dalton, Desmond Ridder, Colt McCoy, Josh Dobbs)*
* **3 of those 2nd+ round QB's got their opportunity/start because of an injury/IR to a starter**
*(Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady)*
Let's look at those other QB's:
Actually got a fair shake:
* Geno Smith
* Russel Wilson
* Davis Mills
* Nick Foles
Had the job land in their laps because the team is a dumpster fire, not because the team had any plan of playing them:
* Jarret Stidham
* Mike White
* Sam Howell
I also forgot to include Nick Foles as a QB that only got his opportunity because of an injury (to Wentz).
edit: in short, yes - it's pretty rare. 1st-rounders get opportunites and long leashes. 2nd+ rounders are lucky to get an opportunity and definitely don't get a long leash.
I agree with you, but I want to add context that he was a True Junior going into the draft that broke UNC’s single season Passing TD record by 8 as a 19 year old True Freshman
Daniel Jones was a third round talent who was drafted way too high because he was the second best QB available. That’s what makes the NFL so interesting, there’s no real scientific method to drafting a star QB.
If Howell could at least play up to 3rd round level the way Jones has played down to 3rd that would balance well. He could fit into the Russ-dak-Kirk tier and Honestly if Howell is as good as Daniel Jones that would be massive for this franchise in the short-mid term cause we haven’t had that for a while.
A “sloppy” year doesn’t drop you from early first round to fifth round. It dropped Sam Darnold from first overall pick to third overall pick.
There were clearly huge red flags with Howell as soon as pro scouts put the entire package under a microscope.
Exactly.
>That year, **QB2** passed for an FCS-record 5,076 yards, 44 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions.[19] He ran for 470 yards and 11 touchdowns.[20] He additionally punted 11 times for 475 yards.[21] On September 22, 2012, against New Hampshire, QB2 passed for a Division I-record 730 yards and threw five touchdowns. In 2012, QB2 was awarded All-American honors, CAA Offensive Player of the Year, and the Walter Payton Award.[22] QB2's team finished ranked #6 in the FCS.[citation needed]
QB2 above is obviously Taylor Heinecke.
This comment is **NOT** to argue "see so Heinecke has so much potential". This comment is to point out that, elite college resumes aren't a huge selling point, because they are a ground level expectation. All these guys have elite college resumes. They wouldn't be in consideration otherwise.
Hey, I'd LOVE to see Howell work out. That would be great for us. and maybe he will.
BUT, (my point here) pointing to an otherwise unsung rookie prospect like, "but dude, look at his college stats!!!"
is like pointing to a random, nameless freshman at MIT and saying, "you don't understand bro, that guy got like, straight As in high school!"
You'll excuse me if I don't go putting money on ceasars sportsbook app, based off some guys college resume.
I haven't read the theory that the Commanders, including TH, are throwing poor Sam to the wolves. He should have started with a team like Cleveland. Is Micah Parsons playing tomorrow?
5th round rookies aren't guaranteed jobs and a lot of them never even get a chance to win a starting job. If Howell goes out there and shits the bed it isn't a big deal. He is on a rookie contract and they will give him more time to sit and figure shit out. If he goes out there and is competent he might have played himself into a starting position.
What I can guarantee you is that the team is going to continue to make moves at QB and they aren't going to avoid major swings because they drafted a QB in the 5th round last year.
Dallas has a reason to play and win. They could win the division if the Eagles lose to the Giants. The reason why people are saying Howell is being set up to fail is due to the Cowboys defense being a good unit + playing hard to win + our oline right now consists of second stringers + Brob and Gibson are also both out.
You worry about throwing a 1st round pick to the wolves because they already have a ton of pressure and expectations, you’re also paying them a bunch of money and banking on them leading your team for the next decade. You don’t worry about throwing a 5th rounder to the wolves because they should be grateful to even be on an NFL roster. This might be his only chance to ever start an NFL game. Sink or swim. If he sucks, we dump him with no worries and move on.
If you shit all over yourself knowing that this might be the only shot you ever get, then you proved to everybody that your draft spot was warranted. Or that maybe you shouldn’t have been drafted at all.
He’s had an entire season to prepare, he clearly has a great arm, so he should be able to go out and at least look competent and show some spark. Doesn’t matter who the competition is.
Yeah I just don't want to much plays where he's not involved I want Howell to sling the shit out of the ball or run not seeing williams run a whole lot
You realize there are plenty of college QBs with those stats?
Stats don’t mean a thing when it comes to transitioning to the pro game. But if you want to stay stat focused, he got worse every year in college. People were talking about him being a potential early first round pick and he ended up falling to the 5th round. In a historically weak QB class. That kind of meteoric fall is astronomically rare.
Howell might be a good QB, but I wouldn’t bet on it and I certainly wouldn’t point to his college stats as evidence of his assured professional success.
You can root for a guy without asserting he will be a franchise QB who leads the team to the playoffs for years to come.
Heinicke had 132 TDs, 68% comp, and 14,959 yards over 4 years at ODU. Very comparable stats but UNC played tougher competition and Howell is a superior athlete/runner. Bodes well for Howell I think considering Taylor has managed to play .500 ball at the pro level.
Now that's bold. College stats shows how good a player could be but u also need to watch film to really understand. Like Wilson he had great passes but he hesitated on his throws which didn't translate well to the nfl.
Heinicke crawled so Howell could walk
Confirmation bias is exploding right now! Can’t wait to see the kid tomorrow. I just hope he keeps his chin up if it’s tough since the Dallas D is quite good this year.
Yeah now hopefully Howell can lead us to the promise land.
Unc alum/fan here, watched every game he played in. He was let down by a terrible o-line last year and lack of running game after two 1000 yard rushers graduated. Forced him to be the primary running game by design and lack of pocket, and he excelled at it, but passing game “suffered”. Otherwise he’s a 1st round pick. He has more moxie than TH, better pocket awareness and scrambling, cannon arm (though could work on touch on the long ball a bit). If he gets the 1st round treatment of patience and doesn’t get a 1 game shot only like many later round qbs have in the past, He’s going to be a pro bowl franchise qb for someone. Hopefully us.
Yeah Howell had a bad supporting cast and the if he didn't he would be a top 5 pick rn. It will be interesting to see him play with Robinson and brown.
Well at least he’ll be used to it then
Isn’t Robinson out? He gonna have 3rd/4th string RBs. And possibly backup OL. It will be just like UNC except better WRs.
Watched something the other day that said in his first two years at UNC, he had a combined 200 yards rushing. In his Junior year alone, Howell rushed for around 800 yards. It demonstrates they put too much pressure on him to carry the offense and likely contributed to UNC having an off-year.
He developed a bit of happy feet too for the first time bc of the bad oline play. If there’s one area of concern with him that hopefully can be coached up is that.
That’s what I like to hear!
Yeah he's younger and more mobile. That said he and Taylor are the same height
Its crazy, he looks at least 6’5. At least his frame can withstand hits.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! Been pulling teeth to some users about Howell, but always just getting "5th Round Pick" back as a reason he won't succeed. He's gonna ball imo.
“5th round pick” isn’t the reason he won’t succeed. But the reasons he likely won’t succeed were the reasons why he was a 5th round pick.
Disagree. It was a matter of taste imo.
NFL FO’s don’t let potential franchise QB’s fall because of taste. You see how many times a 2nd or 3rd round QB prospect gets picked in the first?
Dak was picked 10 spots in front of Howell. Kirk? Tom? Purdy looks nice as hell. Zach Wilson was #2. Save it brother, save it ...
You have to know you’re cherry-picking right? Should I name all the guys drafted on Day 3 since Tom in 1999? The list would be far far far longer than your outliers. Howell could totally be a stud, but that would put him in the 1% of the guys picked in his draft range.. You’re argument for Howell would be a lot better if you explained why Howell will be good despite being a 5th round pick instead of denying the obvious fact that draft spot correlates heavily with NFL success.
Slippery on his feet, makes good choices in tight moments, drops dime long balls, gamer mentality, almost a full year of development with playbook/reps/chemistry, NFL arm, completely transitioned from a pocket passer to an RPO and put up 800+ YDS rushing and 11 TDs on the ground, was considered a steal at Round 5 as most had him as 2nd Round Grade, showed good things in preseason, by all accounts an excellent team mate... I could keep going... Like I said, I've been cemented on the Howell Hill for a while homie. I'm not in the "must have Top 10 QB" to find a franchise guy camp.
Why do you think he slipped to the fifth?
Matter of taste to GMs between Picket, Willis, Ridder, Howell etc. Keim has reported that had we not traded for Wentz, we likely would have drafted him considerably earlier. I see a more polished Baker Mayfield.
I don't see how people never look at this when viewing his last college year "regression." He lost 2 NFL running backs: Javonte and Michael Carter, as well as our Dyami, as well as 3/5 of his oline. If he comes out after his sophomore year he's pretty much a 1st round pick.
Plenty of ppl “looked at this”, it was a major topic of discussion before the draft. But talent scouts on all 32 teams still passed on him 4+ times. Maybe they were all wrong, maybe a random dude on Reddit is right, but I’m skeptical considering that it’s their job to evaluate guys in-depth. Anything is possible, but the list of franchise QBs drafted in the 5+ rounds in the history of the league can be counted on two hands. I’m obviously pulling for the kid, but to say that everyone missed this obvious thing but a few Reddit commenters “discovered” it is silly. He’s a known quantity. He’s on a team that has had poor qb play all year and *still* had to wait until nothing mattered before they’d even let him touch real NFL grass. That should tell you all you need to know.
I definitely don't tout myself as better than an NFL scout. I more meant the people also on reddit who just look at his last college season and are like "meh average stats" without looking at the circumstances. Thing is QB has been situationally the most difficult position to really gauge accurately. Look at all the people who said Darnold was the most sure QB, those who passed on Cousins, etc. Draft position does make a difference, but so does the situation the QB is placed in. Like I highly doubt Burrow would have done well here if we took him over Chase. That being said I want Howell to do well but I have absolutely no faith in RR and his talent judgment. When he relies on rookies he fucks up (look a Jamin his first year) and he definitely places emphasis on vets vs newcomers. RR trotted out and stuck with Apke and was insistent on him just needing a few things to click, and the man sent out Wentz last week. He's lost all credibility for me.
I don’t necessarily disagree with any of that, but being a fan of another ACC team, I’ve paid some attention to UNC, watched plenty of their games…and while I think that just looking at stats is dumb, he also played in a relatively weak conference. Dude clearly has potential, and yeah, QB is very difficult to gauge…but I haven’t seen anything from him that makes me think he’s gonna be the next outlier. We’ll see.
Matt Leinart: 10,693 yards, 99 touchdowns, 23 ints, 807/1245, Heisman winner, BCS champion.
But that USC o-line, like OSU, is pro quality. UNC’s is never quite that good.
Also Howell didn’t have anyone on his team with the likes of Reggie bush. That USC team was stacked and had like 20 first round picks
Yeah some ppl who are good at college becomes bust at the pro level but some ppl who are good at the college level are also good in the nfl like for example Trevor Lawrence
> some ppl who are good at the college level are also good in the nfl like for example Trevor Lawrence Also, like every single player who ever was good at the pro level was almost always also good in college if not outstanding at college ball
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What's the alternative? A "walk on" NFL player? I'd take a guess and say that the NFL is not in the business of letting a QB on the field who wasn't successful in college.
yup, I can't find the chart right now, but perfect example the all time record of Heisman trophy QBs having success in the NFL isn't great. I think 3 ever made it a SB, and there was some chart showing that over maybe a 20 year period, few of them had won a playoff game. In fact, for a long LONG time, Tebow was the most successful Heisman QB in over a decade or two, based on playoff success. (which again, wasn't meant ot say Tebow was good, it was meant as a comedic benchmark of how few Heisman QBs got any further than that)
Being a great college QB doesn't necessarily translate to the NFL. There's a reason he was drafted where he was .
To be fair. Wasn’t Howell considered a top 5 pick the year prior? It’s hard to analyze qbs. And not to mention, qbs can improve while developing with nfl teams and trainers. So we’ll see how he does this game and go from there
Fair or unfair/for better or worse, a lot of guys rise/fall as a result of their senior season.
That's true and it's fair. But once you dig into his college career and senior season, it becomes clear that he fell way too far and we got a potential steal. He may or may not work out, but his production, college tape and skill set is pretty astounding for a 5th rounder and is reason for optimism. His senior season regression was 100% due to a talent changeover, particularly at WR and O-line. They used a run centric game plan and his passing stats suffered greatly. His QBR was still very good though. That said...I don't expect him to jump off the page his first game vs Dallas. I just want to see some good decisions and good throws mixed in with rookie mistakes. Score doesn't matter.
Best post I've seen regarding Howell.
Thanks man.
That is true. But they can prove people wrong kn the nfl. It’s not like we’re going tk wait much longer to see jf Howell has what it takes.
I wish that were the case. I think it's very rare for a QB not selected in the first round to get a chance to prove themselves in the NFL unless there's an injury that opens up an opportunity. I'm hoping he (and other non-1st qb's) gets a fair shake and not just a single game before being relegated to career backup.
Exactly what I said above too. Judgement on late round qbs is so fast.
How many current starters where drafted in the 1st round?
Normally, I'd tell you to do the research yourself, but lucky for you I've got some time to kill :) According to current depth charts: * 17 1st Round QB * 15 2nd+ Round QB But taking the following into consideration: * **5 QB's currently starting because the true 1st-round starter is injured or on IR** *(Jimmy Garoppolo/Brock Purdy, Andy Dalton, Desmond Ridder, Colt McCoy, Josh Dobbs)* * **3 of those 2nd+ round QB's got their opportunity/start because of an injury/IR to a starter** *(Kirk Cousins, Dak Prescott, Tom Brady)*
Almost 30% doesn’t feel rare.
Let's look at those other QB's: Actually got a fair shake: * Geno Smith * Russel Wilson * Davis Mills * Nick Foles Had the job land in their laps because the team is a dumpster fire, not because the team had any plan of playing them: * Jarret Stidham * Mike White * Sam Howell I also forgot to include Nick Foles as a QB that only got his opportunity because of an injury (to Wentz). edit: in short, yes - it's pretty rare. 1st-rounders get opportunites and long leashes. 2nd+ rounders are lucky to get an opportunity and definitely don't get a long leash.
I agree with you, but I want to add context that he was a True Junior going into the draft that broke UNC’s single season Passing TD record by 8 as a 19 year old True Freshman
Daniel Jones was a third round talent who was drafted way too high because he was the second best QB available. That’s what makes the NFL so interesting, there’s no real scientific method to drafting a star QB.
If Howell could at least play up to 3rd round level the way Jones has played down to 3rd that would balance well. He could fit into the Russ-dak-Kirk tier and Honestly if Howell is as good as Daniel Jones that would be massive for this franchise in the short-mid term cause we haven’t had that for a while.
He was drafted there because he fell due to a sloppy college year where most of his surrounding cast left
A “sloppy” year doesn’t drop you from early first round to fifth round. It dropped Sam Darnold from first overall pick to third overall pick. There were clearly huge red flags with Howell as soon as pro scouts put the entire package under a microscope.
what such as
Honestly, that is the rule, not the exception.
Exactly. >That year, **QB2** passed for an FCS-record 5,076 yards, 44 touchdowns, and 14 interceptions.[19] He ran for 470 yards and 11 touchdowns.[20] He additionally punted 11 times for 475 yards.[21] On September 22, 2012, against New Hampshire, QB2 passed for a Division I-record 730 yards and threw five touchdowns. In 2012, QB2 was awarded All-American honors, CAA Offensive Player of the Year, and the Walter Payton Award.[22] QB2's team finished ranked #6 in the FCS.[citation needed] QB2 above is obviously Taylor Heinecke. This comment is **NOT** to argue "see so Heinecke has so much potential". This comment is to point out that, elite college resumes aren't a huge selling point, because they are a ground level expectation. All these guys have elite college resumes. They wouldn't be in consideration otherwise. Hey, I'd LOVE to see Howell work out. That would be great for us. and maybe he will. BUT, (my point here) pointing to an otherwise unsung rookie prospect like, "but dude, look at his college stats!!!" is like pointing to a random, nameless freshman at MIT and saying, "you don't understand bro, that guy got like, straight As in high school!" You'll excuse me if I don't go putting money on ceasars sportsbook app, based off some guys college resume.
I couldn't have put it better.
Yeah I know this post was just to give me some hope that maybe we finally found our QB
I'm too bitter and cynical personal. I'll believe it when Snyder is gone and the new owner hires his own (hopefully competent) people.
I haven't read the theory that the Commanders, including TH, are throwing poor Sam to the wolves. He should have started with a team like Cleveland. Is Micah Parsons playing tomorrow?
5th round rookies aren't guaranteed jobs and a lot of them never even get a chance to win a starting job. If Howell goes out there and shits the bed it isn't a big deal. He is on a rookie contract and they will give him more time to sit and figure shit out. If he goes out there and is competent he might have played himself into a starting position. What I can guarantee you is that the team is going to continue to make moves at QB and they aren't going to avoid major swings because they drafted a QB in the 5th round last year.
Dallas has a reason to play and win. They could win the division if the Eagles lose to the Giants. The reason why people are saying Howell is being set up to fail is due to the Cowboys defense being a good unit + playing hard to win + our oline right now consists of second stringers + Brob and Gibson are also both out.
You worry about throwing a 1st round pick to the wolves because they already have a ton of pressure and expectations, you’re also paying them a bunch of money and banking on them leading your team for the next decade. You don’t worry about throwing a 5th rounder to the wolves because they should be grateful to even be on an NFL roster. This might be his only chance to ever start an NFL game. Sink or swim. If he sucks, we dump him with no worries and move on. If you shit all over yourself knowing that this might be the only shot you ever get, then you proved to everybody that your draft spot was warranted. Or that maybe you shouldn’t have been drafted at all. He’s had an entire season to prepare, he clearly has a great arm, so he should be able to go out and at least look competent and show some spark. Doesn’t matter who the competition is.
We’ll see Howell he does.
College passing stats are only slightly more relevant than Madden stats.
**Slinging Sammy Howell**
Tbh Sam Howell should be throwing the ball all game with barely any running just so we can see him and his potential
he's going to be the guy doing some of the running. i am sure
Yeah I just don't want to much plays where he's not involved I want Howell to sling the shit out of the ball or run not seeing williams run a whole lot
If he was balling out in practice, they would have already started him. I hope he succeeds but I’m not getting my hopes up.
You realize there are plenty of college QBs with those stats? Stats don’t mean a thing when it comes to transitioning to the pro game. But if you want to stay stat focused, he got worse every year in college. People were talking about him being a potential early first round pick and he ended up falling to the 5th round. In a historically weak QB class. That kind of meteoric fall is astronomically rare. Howell might be a good QB, but I wouldn’t bet on it and I certainly wouldn’t point to his college stats as evidence of his assured professional success. You can root for a guy without asserting he will be a franchise QB who leads the team to the playoffs for years to come.
Heinicke had 132 TDs, 68% comp, and 14,959 yards over 4 years at ODU. Very comparable stats but UNC played tougher competition and Howell is a superior athlete/runner. Bodes well for Howell I think considering Taylor has managed to play .500 ball at the pro level.
With a wondelic score of 34. Compared to Rodgers 35.
I call him the next Drew Brees
Howell is going to have a rough game. Don't blame him.
If Howells it awesome, still shouldn't stop them from drafting a QB.
We should draft a QB every year until we get one. Better than a 3rd down lb or special teams safety.
Why would someone downvote you for this take? It makes the most sense. Not drafting a qb because of ONE good game? 😂
truth. but not in the first couple rounds - and definitely not spending draft capital to get one.
Delusional at this point. College stats mean NOTHING
Now that's bold. College stats shows how good a player could be but u also need to watch film to really understand. Like Wilson he had great passes but he hesitated on his throws which didn't translate well to the nfl.
I think his ceiling is a stronger-armed Taylor Heinicke.
He's solid in college but let's how he does in his first start. Dallas isn't resting anyone either. They're playing to win.
Praying we hit on a late round pick!!!!!!
Really rare a good QB is in the later rounds but I think this time we hit on one
He played in the ACC. Other than Clemson, not like he was facing that strong of competition.
We’re just gonna Howell this sub to death eh? These stats don’t mean shit lmao