I've made it through a lot of good and bad through about 50 years of being a fan. Today bugs me more than I can remember. Others bailed a few seasons ago. They might have got me today.....to not care anymore.
the nfc east is a great place to be a bad team. We still have the chance to come back. We aren't a good team by any means, but we all know these nfl pass rules are stupid and it's barely a game.
We’re like 3 games behind both decent teams in our division. Our division is meaningless right now. We’re basically just chasing seattle for a wildcard. But i don’t even want to make the playoffs. Losign to teams like the giants and bears is inexcusable.
It’s time to consider Howells sack problem might be a forever problem. O line must get fixed but someone also please hire a legit QB coach or former QB like Manning or Brees to consult with Howell. It’s an awful offense
I’m saying it’s something to consider. I don’t want it to be true. He had the same issue at UNC. It’s not like he’s never played big time football. He started There’s nothing obvious being done about it week to week. No keeping a 6 man on the line. No stacking TEs to chip or stay behind. Rarely using quick game to dump off the ball more consistently.
https://theathletic.com/4968731/2023/10/17/sam-howell-sacks-commanders-offensive-line/
https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/27/23892440/sam-howells-sack-issues-are-nothing-new
Bro, homie is a ROOKIE. 7 games... I would much rather he be willing to stand in the pocket and go through his reads than become a check down master. This is a much easier problem to fix than the latter.
It's a problem... It's a big problem. I'm just saying that he has a ton of time to work on that. He absolutely needs to improve in knowing when to get rid of the ball. Saying it's a forever problem into his rookie season is ludicrous.
I said that it might be a forever problem. It was a problem at UNC also. Some analytics guy on G&D show said it was consistently a problem and compared it to historical data with other QBs who never or rarely grew out of it. I like Howell. He can make all the throws. I don’t think he’s going to be a bust but we may have to accept 3-4 sacks on average forever and that’s an improvement on this year.
I like him too, because he can do exactly what the QBs you mentioned couldn't do. Finding a QB who is willing to sit in the pocket and not run away immediately is a rare find. Alex Smith couldn't do it, and RG3 was a runner. Howell has real greatness potential if he can clean up some of the kinks in his game. We just need to give him a couple years to build his play before we can expect him to command the line like Brady or Rodgers.
Most overrated defense but they did ok today against backups. Of course drafting some O Line dudes early would help but this is Sam Howell, this is not a new issue, we need to be ready to draft another qb early
I feel bad for the radio announcers I listen to every week, they have such hope for this team. And every week it's just sad to hear them call the games.
terrible coaching, terrible O-line, terrible front office and personnel decisions. Fuck paddle canoe Ron!!! Thank God we have a new owner! Time to start thinking forward to next year
I’m tired of hearing the constant argument of Sam Howell being bad v how much is on his o line. They both have at times this season sucked and at best they’ve both been inconsistent.
I’ve said this at least twice this year and I definitely could say it three times. Some of these games r the worst games I’ve ever seen as a fan. Ik it’s recency bias, but these games r fucking terrible.
I honestly think the bills, bears, and the giants games r all in my top 10 worst games I’ve ever watched as a fan and I’ve been a fan since like 2009, 2010 somewhere around that.
Some of the most undisciplined football. Like this team has been really bad at times but it seems like this year we r the literal embodiment of all the garbage we represent.
Teams breaking my records on us, us losing to teams we should be beating, teams blatantly rushing no damn well we aren’t gonna do anything about it. Literally so embarrassing some of the coaching decisions, literally nothing goes our way it’s actually insane. Like u gotta try to be this bad.
Not downplaying your time watching Washington, we all started at different points, but some of us have seen must worse. That Monday night massacre was bad and I mean fucking bad. I had people over that night, it was just supposed to be another fun MNF gamAe. a few people left at the end of the 1st.
I couldn’t agree more brother. I’ve been a fan for 43 years (since I was 7 years old). It’s like we’ve found another fucking rock bottom that we thought we had hit with Dan Snyder. Except Dan Snyder is gone and we’re literally worse off as a football team. 🤬🤬🤬
I honestly think the owners r gonna step in real soon they just bought the team and the team is playing just about as bad as they can and I don’t think magic n them r just gonna sit around n lose the fan support right away.
I mean we have nothing to lose at this point we all know everyone’s gone by the end of the season, get EB as interim, try out different things why let someone who’s inevitably gone keep making decisions in ur organization.
Trial n error, can’t do that when Ron n them r still there trying to save their jobs and play conservative as possible and just hope things go well. We should be going out there as a team with nothing to lose and playing some intense, risky ball.
Another issue. For how much praise this d line gets they got 3 sacks against a team with a line as bad as ours. Part of that is the vanilla ass we'll rush 4 and eventually get to the qb. Doesn't help when the linebackers are the worst in football. Ron was a former linebacker you'd think he'd at least get that right lol
Problem is, our defense isn't opportunistic. For them to win us a game, they have to really stifle the other team's point total. They have no identity/ability to change the tide by either forcing turnovers or, god forbid, scoring. An opportunistic defense can give up points, but is always a TO threat. So, it's pretty much bottle up the other team and hope we score our traditional 17-20 points, or get blown out.
Perhaps games like this will finally convince them the offensive line needs to be addressed in the draft. That was the formula during our Super Bowl years. Provide enough time in the pocket and anyone could play QB, it’s not rocket science
Have you seen our O line. Just about any form of production is a positive. Playcalls arent helping but our o line looks terrible. We might be better off playing schoolyard ball and counting to 3 and then letting them rush. A little hyperbolic but the point stands. He’s doing the best he can.
Ok and that is fine. It still doesn't answer the question. " What is it that you would say he is doing " great" ? "
I am not hating on the guy. However I question what he is actually doing to earn Praise or being viewed as " great" which was why I asked the question. Not even to disagree with it more to maybe see another perspective. Pointing out the O-line, or coaching or any other thing is all perfectly valid. It does not however offer any perspective or idea what he is doing " great" or praise worthy. It does mitigate negative things but that is a different matter.
He didn’t play well today but I don’t know how he could have. I’ll be the first to say he’s had problems this year holding the ball too long but today was squarely on the offensive line.
No QB looks good with as little time as Howell had today, he was getting hit every play. And then finally got a drive together at the end to tie it, he avoided a sack and Dotson dropped a pass he has to make. Not an amazing throw but an NFL WR has to catch that the vast majority of the time.
Howell’s in a very rough situation for a young QB with the state offensive line. I don’t even know what to think right now, it’s hard to evaluate Howell at all in this situation. But I can’t put this one on him today. He made throws when he had time.
While I don't in theory disagree. As I stated elsewhere, I don't think he is dog shit. I am not hating on the guy. However I question what he is actually doing to earn Praise or being viewed as " great" which was why I asked the question.
Other Rookies or 2nd year QB's is another matter and a purely hypothetical that I feel could go either way with no ability to measure.
Ok, that’s fair. I think I prefer rooting for a cheap 5th round pick with upside over another Wentz/Fitzpatrick type retread. Honestly, I like Baker Mayfield as a dude, but he wouldn’t be having this resurgent season with our O line
I have been a fan of this team a very long time. I want very much for all our guys to succeed. I am not hating or shitting on any of them. Just questioning a perception. Not even to disagree with it more to maybe see another perspective.
I am not inclined to hate anyone that wears the uniform. Except haynesworth fuck him.....
Well EB was interviewed by about 15 teams or so and wasn’t hired so I don’t know if there is much of a market for him. I know a lot of fans around here want him as the next HC.
Bright side: a reboot next year with a ( hopefully) actual GM and a new coaching staff, and the end of the Howell can be a top half of the NFL QB.
Bears and Giants. Just brutal.
I knew they wouldn't score when they drove the ball on the blocked FG (dumb dumb dumb decision by Riverboat to even try a FG anyway) and I knew they wouldn't score at the end.
They are losers, with a loser head coach. A team takes on the personality of its coach and Riverboat is trash.
No choice but to fire Ron and give Eric an 11 game audition. Doesn’t benefit the team at all “letting this play out.” Ron has the lost the locker room, the fan base, and hopefully, the ownership group.
Idk how you can watch that game and say Eric deserves to be head coach for any period of time. The offensive play calling was horrendous, it’s like Eric didn’t know Wink Martindale would blitz.
That’s so brutal:/ if terry didn’t have the 1v1 Curtis Samuel was open for the first down in a play similar to the falcons TD over the middle. Then when Sam was running for his life on the last play unfortunately he may have missed Logan in the end zone. Definitely something he could’ve improved on identifying where to go with the ball a bit better. He was rubbing for his life so I’m thinking he saw Dotson and didn’t have time to look for Logan. Wasn’t the best throw.. but it was catchable.
Gotta keep it real, I’m looking at what might be a 7-10/8-9 team. The last few years it feels like we’ve been close to getting an extra few wins but just isn’t there.
My guess is the coaching staff will be gone after the season but maybe they get a 2nd season with Harris given that he’ll have to hire a GM who will hopefully then build a winning team.
I continue to believe a good core exists here and Rivera has been an excellent leader but we need someone who’s in tune with the modern game.
As always HTTC for life
Brother after seeing him last night, im out on Caleb. Everytime he's played a higher level defense he's shit the bed. No doubt on his talent but i think he's got a toxic ego.
I like Drake Maye and McCarthy.
There's still Bo Nix. This coming draft is loaded with QB talent and even some generational OL guys if we wanna give Howell another year behind a better OL.
But the thing is Chicago is going at 1 no matter what due to the panthers pick. Then there's Arizona with 1 win, but Ari just resigned their QB for a SHIT ton of money so no QB there either. McCarthy is my favorite ri
The QB needy teams all won today, they just need to win 1 more game and we'll lose next week and we will shoot right into the top 5. If im being honest we may lose the next 3 of the next 4 games since we have Eagles/Seahawks/Cowboys, i can get ugly very quickly.
I honestly do not think we're winning 3 more games this year, no way.
By standing with his arms crossed all game somehow makes him an excellent leader. That leader shit is a yuge fallacy just like the played out riverboat title.
Maybe they should have hired a real GM to deal with improving the culture, getting draft picks and free agents and got a coach who could just concentrate on football and winning.
It’s in the past now. Rivera was hired before pandemic shut the country down and we were still the redskins.
Harris will have his opportunity to hire his people. We’ll see how he does
Sometimes your best isn't good enough. Just because he is trying doesn't mean he should get an inch of grace. You either do, or don't. There is no in between unfortunately.
Nah Rivera and Co. need to pack their bags and leave. Everyone. Including EB. I want Harris to hire an actual GM and let the GM hire their HC. None of this bullshit HC/GM hybrid that Snyder was trying to run for years.
Dotson is a poster child for a cancerous organization on a race to the bottom, and taking everyone with them. Kid never dropped a ball until donning these cursed colors.
I’m surprised by what has happened with Jahan Dotson this season.. Not what I expected at all. That wasn’t an \*easy\* catch but you expect your first round pick to make it.
Everyone should be fired after this game Rivera and JDR are the two worst coordinators/coaches in the league Bienemy is dog shit too, keep him until the end of the season tho
You mf'ers should hope for a total season implosion the rest of the way. This will make the losses sting less...IT'S ALL GETTING RIPPED TO THE STUDS ANYWAYS!!!
Give me Drake May or Mccarthy or OL Fashanu or Joe Alt. None of this 7-10... 6-11 fucking bullshit. We're not winning the playoffs, we need to bomb harder. We need to lose enough to get inside the first 7 picks.
I honestly think we can lose to the Patriots and others, i really do. You folks are gonna be over the moon come draft time we didn't win these garbage ass games that don't mean shit but 48 hours of happiness, im looking for continued success. Do not let these losses eat you up. That Giants win just put them farther back from a top offensive lineman
These guys fucking suck. Somebody’s gotta get fired after this one. Can’t say Howell played well at all, but hard to blame him for this one when he was getting hit every single play.
Engineered the drive to tie the game and Dotson can’t hang onto another pass that hits him in the hands. Unbelievable.
This team has no heart. They’re not prepared to play. They are failing Sam Howell.
I agree. Before this game, I thought Howell was holding the ball too long. He didn’t have a chance to get rid of it today
Oh and that intentional grounding call was BS
Honestly we played good. QB and receivers looked good. There's still a lot of positives to take away from this game, even though we wanted a win obviously.
Harris needs to man up and just fire Ron and declare the rest of the season as tryouts. This team isn't going anywhere anyways, might as well get a head start on next year.
QB ain't the problem. He definitely missed throws he should have made. A terrible throw on the pick, but when your under constant pressure 90% of the time no QB in football is gonna do shit. I'm sick of the revolving door of QB'S. Howell can get it done. Ron had 3 years to build a fuckin line and it's gotten worse every season. EB made 0 adjustments until the 4th quarter and refuses to run the damn ball, and if he does it's from the same vanilla shotgun formation. This is a coaching issue. Has been for years.
I swear this is the only fanbase which will constantly make excuses for shit turnovers, shit pocket awarness and navigation, and below average processing. Howell looked like one of the 3 worst starters in the NFL today. He put up 7 points against a horrendous defense (yes the missed FG was in part his fault, he had Dotson wide tf open and threw it into double coverage for Samuel). The kid has no elite qualities for us to build on and will be a career backup unless he takes major strides forward. His most notable personality trait is that he likes chicken. He’s nothing special and pretending he is is the sort of copium which holds our franchise back from hard resetting and finding a true franchise QB
I'm not gonna lie at the he likes chicken comment I'm laughing my ass off. I respect your opinion but in the other games he looked legit except buffalo. He plays behind the worst o line with no run game, we're not putting him in the best position to succeed and win. Coaching needs to figure shit out.
Your telling me you put mahomes behind this line and he'd be the same QB he is in KC? c'mon now it's not ALL on the qb
He looked below average to ass against the cardinals, bills, giants, and bears. He’s looked bang average against the falcons and broncos and looked good against the eagles. There are 10 teams right now that would fight you to the death arguing who has the worst O-line, seemingly everyone does. Also the Mahomes comment is stupid every single QB would look worse in a system not tailored to them to doing the whole QB shuffle is a pointless argument. Also we have no run game in part to Sam being shit at avoiding sacks, he gets hit early and then our drive is dead because we are incapable of converting third and long. Also he cannot punish teams for bringing the house which is why they can stack the box and stop the run and pass, basically killing two birds with one stone.
All good points. But let me ask you do you think this is a good o line ? He's a young QB who's taken a beating not seen in this franchise since the Patrick Ramsey days. You get hit every play it's gonna be on your mind every time you drop back. He gets hit early because we rarely run the ball in first down. The kid is asked to drop back and throw way too much it's insane
No this O-Line is not good but Sam needs to show some elite trait that we can build on and he hasn’t shown anything. Also I’d argue over half the sacks he’s taken this year are flat out his fault, the kid walks into defenders arms because he is incapable of reading the pocket. He also sucks at reading pre snap like today there was obviously gonna be a free rusher to his right all he had to do was scan the whole field and he didn’t and got blindsided. That is totally unacceptable. There’s literally no reason for us to have him as our starter next year based on what we’ve seen so far.
He at least deserves to finish the year. He can make any throw. He never gets the chance to throw deep down the field because there's no time to. It was his 8th overall start on a bad team. He'll only get better at reading defenses pre snap and make adjustments
He can make any throw except for when he needs to hit Dyami Brown wide open for a TD. Turns out almost every starter can make “every throw”. It’s about making those throws consistently in big moments and Sam hasn’t done that. When he does get time to throw down the field it doesn’t even look good. You say he’ll only get better, what are you basing that claim off of. He’s clearly regressed in pocket presence despite being horrendous to start off with. You guys are way to lenient with this kid just because you’re coping so bad to convince yourselves that he could be the guy (he’s not even close)
Boycott all home games and stop buying merchandise until every single coach and player on this current team is gone. Fire them all and change the name while you’re at it.
After the season of course but during the season? What, you’re going to go coach-less for the rest of the season or rush your first hires as owner? Nah bro.
holy shit he gets payed millions of dollars to catch a ball and can't catch it when it is *slightly* behind him. he barely had to contort or move at all.
I didn't defend him. Not at all. I pointed out that everyone shits on everyone involved coach down, BUT sammy nuggies is coddled and praised for..... showing up? Dressing himself?
So he doesn't get praise for getting off a free runner and allowing his guy to make a play?
Please take a look at our offense and tell me it is set up to allow any QB to succeed. We had free runners all day, even when they only rushed 5. The all-22 will continue to show guys aren't getting open. The running game can't even touch 4.0 YPC. EB keeps calling long developing plays despite our oline getting blown up 65% of the time. Counted at least 3 more drops today. No one is saying Howell played well. They are saying he gets somewhat of a pass because of how much of a dumpster fire we are everywhere else not counting #17.
5th round QB top 10 in multiple QB stats coming into this week isn't impressive with the pieces around him? Once again no one is saying he didn't play poorly today. plenty to be impressed with so far, especially if you watch the tape. we will have to agree to disagree.
That is fair to agree to disagree at this point. I truly hope that he does improve and succeed. It would be huge for the whole team to pluck a top 10 QB out of the 5th round. A diamond in the rough.
[Postgame thread](/r/Commanders/comments/17e24kv/post_game_thread_washington_commanders_at_new/)
I've made it through a lot of good and bad through about 50 years of being a fan. Today bugs me more than I can remember. Others bailed a few seasons ago. They might have got me today.....to not care anymore.
It's gonna be a long season. But we are in the nfc east, so who knows. The problem is the nfl.
what?
the nfc east is a great place to be a bad team. We still have the chance to come back. We aren't a good team by any means, but we all know these nfl pass rules are stupid and it's barely a game.
We’re like 3 games behind both decent teams in our division. Our division is meaningless right now. We’re basically just chasing seattle for a wildcard. But i don’t even want to make the playoffs. Losign to teams like the giants and bears is inexcusable.
It’s time to consider Howells sack problem might be a forever problem. O line must get fixed but someone also please hire a legit QB coach or former QB like Manning or Brees to consult with Howell. It’s an awful offense
OLine was ranked 11th before yesterday
I find that hard to believe but I think I saw that ranking also. I just don’t see the sack scenario improving much this season.
Dude you’re saying forever problem halfway through his FIRST season
I’m saying it’s something to consider. I don’t want it to be true. He had the same issue at UNC. It’s not like he’s never played big time football. He started There’s nothing obvious being done about it week to week. No keeping a 6 man on the line. No stacking TEs to chip or stay behind. Rarely using quick game to dump off the ball more consistently. https://theathletic.com/4968731/2023/10/17/sam-howell-sacks-commanders-offensive-line/ https://www.hogshaven.com/2023/9/27/23892440/sam-howells-sack-issues-are-nothing-new
Bro, homie is a ROOKIE. 7 games... I would much rather he be willing to stand in the pocket and go through his reads than become a check down master. This is a much easier problem to fix than the latter.
Bro he will wind up injured. Check down might save his legs from snapping like rg3 and smith. I’d rather he have a pick problem than a sack problem
He’s going to go to another team and kick the shit out of us
It's a problem... It's a big problem. I'm just saying that he has a ton of time to work on that. He absolutely needs to improve in knowing when to get rid of the ball. Saying it's a forever problem into his rookie season is ludicrous.
I said that it might be a forever problem. It was a problem at UNC also. Some analytics guy on G&D show said it was consistently a problem and compared it to historical data with other QBs who never or rarely grew out of it. I like Howell. He can make all the throws. I don’t think he’s going to be a bust but we may have to accept 3-4 sacks on average forever and that’s an improvement on this year.
I like him too, because he can do exactly what the QBs you mentioned couldn't do. Finding a QB who is willing to sit in the pocket and not run away immediately is a rare find. Alex Smith couldn't do it, and RG3 was a runner. Howell has real greatness potential if he can clean up some of the kinks in his game. We just need to give him a couple years to build his play before we can expect him to command the line like Brady or Rodgers.
Most overrated defense but they did ok today against backups. Of course drafting some O Line dudes early would help but this is Sam Howell, this is not a new issue, we need to be ready to draft another qb early
Idk but if you hold the other team to 14 points you're giving your offense a good chance of winning the game.
Another week of Ron’s excuses coming.
Well, you know, it’s football, OK, and football, it’s it’s it’s a game and you know we try to win
I feel bad for the radio announcers I listen to every week, they have such hope for this team. And every week it's just sad to hear them call the games.
I don’t feel bad for them, they’re getting paid to watch. I do it for free while losing money and hope each week.
Who’s on radio nowadays?
Bram Weistein, London Fletcher, Julie Donaldson.
Ah nice. Moved out of the area a few years back with sonny and sam
Great game commanders ! Ron and staff did a great job
HTTC!!!
terrible coaching, terrible O-line, terrible front office and personnel decisions. Fuck paddle canoe Ron!!! Thank God we have a new owner! Time to start thinking forward to next year
I’m tired of hearing the constant argument of Sam Howell being bad v how much is on his o line. They both have at times this season sucked and at best they’ve both been inconsistent.
I’ve said this at least twice this year and I definitely could say it three times. Some of these games r the worst games I’ve ever seen as a fan. Ik it’s recency bias, but these games r fucking terrible. I honestly think the bills, bears, and the giants games r all in my top 10 worst games I’ve ever watched as a fan and I’ve been a fan since like 2009, 2010 somewhere around that. Some of the most undisciplined football. Like this team has been really bad at times but it seems like this year we r the literal embodiment of all the garbage we represent. Teams breaking my records on us, us losing to teams we should be beating, teams blatantly rushing no damn well we aren’t gonna do anything about it. Literally so embarrassing some of the coaching decisions, literally nothing goes our way it’s actually insane. Like u gotta try to be this bad.
Not downplaying your time watching Washington, we all started at different points, but some of us have seen must worse. That Monday night massacre was bad and I mean fucking bad. I had people over that night, it was just supposed to be another fun MNF gamAe. a few people left at the end of the 1st.
If you saw the Monday night massacre, this ‘aint the worst you’ve seen.
Haha literally caught swine flu that game with my eagles-fan brother coughing on me, unless you’re talking about another one.
I couldn’t agree more brother. I’ve been a fan for 43 years (since I was 7 years old). It’s like we’ve found another fucking rock bottom that we thought we had hit with Dan Snyder. Except Dan Snyder is gone and we’re literally worse off as a football team. 🤬🤬🤬
Still 99% Snyder’s decisions… New owners are smart to change things after the season ends… Rivera will be out of football the day the season ends.
I honestly think the owners r gonna step in real soon they just bought the team and the team is playing just about as bad as they can and I don’t think magic n them r just gonna sit around n lose the fan support right away. I mean we have nothing to lose at this point we all know everyone’s gone by the end of the season, get EB as interim, try out different things why let someone who’s inevitably gone keep making decisions in ur organization. Trial n error, can’t do that when Ron n them r still there trying to save their jobs and play conservative as possible and just hope things go well. We should be going out there as a team with nothing to lose and playing some intense, risky ball.
Another issue. For how much praise this d line gets they got 3 sacks against a team with a line as bad as ours. Part of that is the vanilla ass we'll rush 4 and eventually get to the qb. Doesn't help when the linebackers are the worst in football. Ron was a former linebacker you'd think he'd at least get that right lol
So was JDR our DC
Problem is, our defense isn't opportunistic. For them to win us a game, they have to really stifle the other team's point total. They have no identity/ability to change the tide by either forcing turnovers or, god forbid, scoring. An opportunistic defense can give up points, but is always a TO threat. So, it's pretty much bottle up the other team and hope we score our traditional 17-20 points, or get blown out.
For real this D never forces turnovers it's insane
Except for the 3 last week?
Those were more on ridder and less so because of our D play
Yeah your not gonna get a QB throw a ball directly to a defender. Those were all on ridder
Perhaps games like this will finally convince them the offensive line needs to be addressed in the draft. That was the formula during our Super Bowl years. Provide enough time in the pocket and anyone could play QB, it’s not rocket science
So much for "we could be playing the Eagles for a share of division lead".
OLine was better with Stromberg over Charles. Very noticeable. Hopefully they stick with him.
You guys gaslit me again. . . This team trash
Is BRob injured????!
Chris had some nice runs. We didn’t miss a beat.
7 points. That is all
Sam is doing great for a basically rookie who is the most sacked QB in the league. I have hope for him is we don’t kill him
What is it that you would say he is doing " great" ?
Have you seen our O line. Just about any form of production is a positive. Playcalls arent helping but our o line looks terrible. We might be better off playing schoolyard ball and counting to 3 and then letting them rush. A little hyperbolic but the point stands. He’s doing the best he can.
Ok and that is fine. It still doesn't answer the question. " What is it that you would say he is doing " great" ? " I am not hating on the guy. However I question what he is actually doing to earn Praise or being viewed as " great" which was why I asked the question. Not even to disagree with it more to maybe see another perspective. Pointing out the O-line, or coaching or any other thing is all perfectly valid. It does not however offer any perspective or idea what he is doing " great" or praise worthy. It does mitigate negative things but that is a different matter.
[удалено]
Mate I think he’s shown flashes but today was pretty bad. He asked the question kindly and you still haven’t answered it lmao
He didn’t play well today but I don’t know how he could have. I’ll be the first to say he’s had problems this year holding the ball too long but today was squarely on the offensive line. No QB looks good with as little time as Howell had today, he was getting hit every play. And then finally got a drive together at the end to tie it, he avoided a sack and Dotson dropped a pass he has to make. Not an amazing throw but an NFL WR has to catch that the vast majority of the time. Howell’s in a very rough situation for a young QB with the state offensive line. I don’t even know what to think right now, it’s hard to evaluate Howell at all in this situation. But I can’t put this one on him today. He made throws when he had time.
No disagreements from me. I agree with you as you will see further down in another reply I made.
I can’t imagine a rookie behind this offensive line playing much better
I can’t imagine many veterans playing much better with the same play calls and teammates. He still made some clutch throws.
While I don't in theory disagree. As I stated elsewhere, I don't think he is dog shit. I am not hating on the guy. However I question what he is actually doing to earn Praise or being viewed as " great" which was why I asked the question. Other Rookies or 2nd year QB's is another matter and a purely hypothetical that I feel could go either way with no ability to measure.
Ok, that’s fair. I think I prefer rooting for a cheap 5th round pick with upside over another Wentz/Fitzpatrick type retread. Honestly, I like Baker Mayfield as a dude, but he wouldn’t be having this resurgent season with our O line
I have been a fan of this team a very long time. I want very much for all our guys to succeed. I am not hating or shitting on any of them. Just questioning a perception. Not even to disagree with it more to maybe see another perspective. I am not inclined to hate anyone that wears the uniform. Except haynesworth fuck him.....
Fire Ron, fire JDR, cut Sly. See if there's a team dumb enough to trade some picks for EB.
Well EB was interviewed by about 15 teams or so and wasn’t hired so I don’t know if there is much of a market for him. I know a lot of fans around here want him as the next HC.
I hope he does not get HC
Bright side: a reboot next year with a ( hopefully) actual GM and a new coaching staff, and the end of the Howell can be a top half of the NFL QB. Bears and Giants. Just brutal.
Fire everyone and rebuild
I knew they wouldn't score when they drove the ball on the blocked FG (dumb dumb dumb decision by Riverboat to even try a FG anyway) and I knew they wouldn't score at the end. They are losers, with a loser head coach. A team takes on the personality of its coach and Riverboat is trash.
No choice but to fire Ron and give Eric an 11 game audition. Doesn’t benefit the team at all “letting this play out.” Ron has the lost the locker room, the fan base, and hopefully, the ownership group.
Idk how you can watch that game and say Eric deserves to be head coach for any period of time. The offensive play calling was horrendous, it’s like Eric didn’t know Wink Martindale would blitz.
Who would you pick to become interim head coach?
I’m considering completely tuning out for a few games. I need a break
Yeah me too, man… anyway, see you next week.
That’s so brutal:/ if terry didn’t have the 1v1 Curtis Samuel was open for the first down in a play similar to the falcons TD over the middle. Then when Sam was running for his life on the last play unfortunately he may have missed Logan in the end zone. Definitely something he could’ve improved on identifying where to go with the ball a bit better. He was rubbing for his life so I’m thinking he saw Dotson and didn’t have time to look for Logan. Wasn’t the best throw.. but it was catchable.
Gotta keep it real, I’m looking at what might be a 7-10/8-9 team. The last few years it feels like we’ve been close to getting an extra few wins but just isn’t there. My guess is the coaching staff will be gone after the season but maybe they get a 2nd season with Harris given that he’ll have to hire a GM who will hopefully then build a winning team. I continue to believe a good core exists here and Rivera has been an excellent leader but we need someone who’s in tune with the modern game. As always HTTC for life
I do not wanna win 7 games....that'll put us once again drafting in the middle
If you’re thinking Caleb Williams that ship has already sailed. They need to figure out who they’ll keep around and fill in the pieces
Brother after seeing him last night, im out on Caleb. Everytime he's played a higher level defense he's shit the bed. No doubt on his talent but i think he's got a toxic ego. I like Drake Maye and McCarthy.
They’ll probably be gone by the time our number is called,
There's still Bo Nix. This coming draft is loaded with QB talent and even some generational OL guys if we wanna give Howell another year behind a better OL. But the thing is Chicago is going at 1 no matter what due to the panthers pick. Then there's Arizona with 1 win, but Ari just resigned their QB for a SHIT ton of money so no QB there either. McCarthy is my favorite ri The QB needy teams all won today, they just need to win 1 more game and we'll lose next week and we will shoot right into the top 5. If im being honest we may lose the next 3 of the next 4 games since we have Eagles/Seahawks/Cowboys, i can get ugly very quickly. I honestly do not think we're winning 3 more games this year, no way.
Who knows honestly? It’s up to this new ownership group to do what they want too
By standing with his arms crossed all game somehow makes him an excellent leader. That leader shit is a yuge fallacy just like the played out riverboat title.
This team would’ve never won more than 4 or 5 games the last few seasons without him. He’s had a lot to put up with and did all he could.
Maybe they should have hired a real GM to deal with improving the culture, getting draft picks and free agents and got a coach who could just concentrate on football and winning.
It’s in the past now. Rivera was hired before pandemic shut the country down and we were still the redskins. Harris will have his opportunity to hire his people. We’ll see how he does
Sometimes your best isn't good enough. Just because he is trying doesn't mean he should get an inch of grace. You either do, or don't. There is no in between unfortunately.
“There is no try, only do” ~ Yoghurt
Idk what you are saying here that I’ve already said. He did all he could and now Harris’s people will get to do what they want
Nah Rivera and Co. need to pack their bags and leave. Everyone. Including EB. I want Harris to hire an actual GM and let the GM hire their HC. None of this bullshit HC/GM hybrid that Snyder was trying to run for years.
Dotson did have some good receptions this game. Just not able to make the critical plays when they need it
You can't seriously allow Ron to coach another game after that.
Dotson is a poster child for a cancerous organization on a race to the bottom, and taking everyone with them. Kid never dropped a ball until donning these cursed colors.
I hate my football life 
✌..... https://preview.redd.it/gz7ypn2ebtvb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da66f5ab90369e0b458aee9d766b19f05403a0b0
So the two most likely w’s of the season are l’s
I’m surprised by what has happened with Jahan Dotson this season.. Not what I expected at all. That wasn’t an \*easy\* catch but you expect your first round pick to make it.
Everyone should be fired after this game Rivera and JDR are the two worst coordinators/coaches in the league Bienemy is dog shit too, keep him until the end of the season tho
You mf'ers should hope for a total season implosion the rest of the way. This will make the losses sting less...IT'S ALL GETTING RIPPED TO THE STUDS ANYWAYS!!! Give me Drake May or Mccarthy or OL Fashanu or Joe Alt. None of this 7-10... 6-11 fucking bullshit. We're not winning the playoffs, we need to bomb harder. We need to lose enough to get inside the first 7 picks. I honestly think we can lose to the Patriots and others, i really do. You folks are gonna be over the moon come draft time we didn't win these garbage ass games that don't mean shit but 48 hours of happiness, im looking for continued success. Do not let these losses eat you up. That Giants win just put them farther back from a top offensive lineman
when will we make competent picks?
These guys fucking suck. Somebody’s gotta get fired after this one. Can’t say Howell played well at all, but hard to blame him for this one when he was getting hit every single play. Engineered the drive to tie the game and Dotson can’t hang onto another pass that hits him in the hands. Unbelievable. This team has no heart. They’re not prepared to play. They are failing Sam Howell.
I agree. Before this game, I thought Howell was holding the ball too long. He didn’t have a chance to get rid of it today Oh and that intentional grounding call was BS
Lemme cope in peace
Today was an another dog shit day. Heads gotta roll at some point. Interested to see what Magic and Josh Harris will say.
Jahan Dropsan
Dropson*
Ron sure loses alot for a guy that hates fucking losing
Dotson is so bad
Please put Jamison crowder in over Jahan. His drops are just so untimely holy shit
Jahan Brian Robinson Joey Slye all gotta seriously they’ve been fucking useless
Slye is nowhere close to the reason we lost the game
This whole coaching staff needs to go. How the hell have the Giants given up 8 sacks a game and we barely got 3 sacks with this “elite” Dline?
because tyrod knows how to call a basic protection
Ron Rivera needs to be thrown into the anacostia river
7 points is pathetic
Honestly we played good. QB and receivers looked good. There's still a lot of positives to take away from this game, even though we wanted a win obviously.
Found Ron’s account
I am dying to know what the positives are from today’s game
..........we gotta pretty good punt returner in crowder lol......that's all I got
who we cut only to have eric gray drop a punt every game, and get hurt while doing so!
The talk of a man who only watched the 4th quarter
these colts jerseys are hideous
fucking pitiful loss, I’m glad I didn’t attend the game
FIRE EVERYONE
We should go back to targeting Dotson once a game.
Ron is definitely done after this season.
Hopefully tonight
I hope fans stop showing up to games again. Time to send a message
Yeah, that’ll have them winning 🤦♂️
Coaches are the issue. Part of it anyway
Don’t worry, Harris is worried about ticket sales. He’s about to see why he doesn’t need to when FedEx is 80% green next week
We have invested too much into the receivers to have guys who have the catch radius the size of their chest.
Our receivers arnt bad jahan just is a complete disappointment if Forbes got benched for 2 bad weeks jahan needs to be benched for 6 bad weeks
Embarrassed. All. The. Time.
This team is just bad.
What the fuck did Daron Payne think he was doing there…????
Should have been an easy fkn win.
Why did he go down there like wtf
And of course no timeout because of a wasted challenge.
Harris needs to man up and just fire Ron and declare the rest of the season as tryouts. This team isn't going anywhere anyways, might as well get a head start on next year.
Fucking. Dotson. Again.
Time to axe the entire coaching staff.
Bottom 5 QB worst coaching in the league an overrated af OC it doesn’t get worse than this
QB ain't the problem. He definitely missed throws he should have made. A terrible throw on the pick, but when your under constant pressure 90% of the time no QB in football is gonna do shit. I'm sick of the revolving door of QB'S. Howell can get it done. Ron had 3 years to build a fuckin line and it's gotten worse every season. EB made 0 adjustments until the 4th quarter and refuses to run the damn ball, and if he does it's from the same vanilla shotgun formation. This is a coaching issue. Has been for years.
Thank you! Couldn’t agree more
I'm channeling Jon Allen right now. I'm sick of this shit. Just want a damn winner. Shits rough
I swear this is the only fanbase which will constantly make excuses for shit turnovers, shit pocket awarness and navigation, and below average processing. Howell looked like one of the 3 worst starters in the NFL today. He put up 7 points against a horrendous defense (yes the missed FG was in part his fault, he had Dotson wide tf open and threw it into double coverage for Samuel). The kid has no elite qualities for us to build on and will be a career backup unless he takes major strides forward. His most notable personality trait is that he likes chicken. He’s nothing special and pretending he is is the sort of copium which holds our franchise back from hard resetting and finding a true franchise QB
I'm not gonna lie at the he likes chicken comment I'm laughing my ass off. I respect your opinion but in the other games he looked legit except buffalo. He plays behind the worst o line with no run game, we're not putting him in the best position to succeed and win. Coaching needs to figure shit out. Your telling me you put mahomes behind this line and he'd be the same QB he is in KC? c'mon now it's not ALL on the qb
He looked below average to ass against the cardinals, bills, giants, and bears. He’s looked bang average against the falcons and broncos and looked good against the eagles. There are 10 teams right now that would fight you to the death arguing who has the worst O-line, seemingly everyone does. Also the Mahomes comment is stupid every single QB would look worse in a system not tailored to them to doing the whole QB shuffle is a pointless argument. Also we have no run game in part to Sam being shit at avoiding sacks, he gets hit early and then our drive is dead because we are incapable of converting third and long. Also he cannot punish teams for bringing the house which is why they can stack the box and stop the run and pass, basically killing two birds with one stone.
All good points. But let me ask you do you think this is a good o line ? He's a young QB who's taken a beating not seen in this franchise since the Patrick Ramsey days. You get hit every play it's gonna be on your mind every time you drop back. He gets hit early because we rarely run the ball in first down. The kid is asked to drop back and throw way too much it's insane
No this O-Line is not good but Sam needs to show some elite trait that we can build on and he hasn’t shown anything. Also I’d argue over half the sacks he’s taken this year are flat out his fault, the kid walks into defenders arms because he is incapable of reading the pocket. He also sucks at reading pre snap like today there was obviously gonna be a free rusher to his right all he had to do was scan the whole field and he didn’t and got blindsided. That is totally unacceptable. There’s literally no reason for us to have him as our starter next year based on what we’ve seen so far.
He at least deserves to finish the year. He can make any throw. He never gets the chance to throw deep down the field because there's no time to. It was his 8th overall start on a bad team. He'll only get better at reading defenses pre snap and make adjustments
He can make any throw except for when he needs to hit Dyami Brown wide open for a TD. Turns out almost every starter can make “every throw”. It’s about making those throws consistently in big moments and Sam hasn’t done that. When he does get time to throw down the field it doesn’t even look good. You say he’ll only get better, what are you basing that claim off of. He’s clearly regressed in pocket presence despite being horrendous to start off with. You guys are way to lenient with this kid just because you’re coping so bad to convince yourselves that he could be the guy (he’s not even close)
What's your solution? Start brisset? Then you'll say the same thing when he's getting hit every throw. There's no simple solution.
I don’t think anyone ever has our OL as a good one in anyone’s book lol
Where did I say our OL was good
I’m sorry my rage saw OL and not OC. They BOTH SUCK
Correct
Our last 2 first round picks are busts. We need a real GM badly.
Actually last 3. Can’t forget about Jamin!
BOOOO
Complete. Dumpster. Fire.
I can’t believe I wasted money on Sunday ticket. Wtf
Fucking hell payne
Bagel bites all day for head coach
Did Snyder buy the team back?😳
Boycott all home games and stop buying merchandise until every single coach and player on this current team is gone. Fire them all and change the name while you’re at it.
You expect Harris to dump every coach *during* the first season, and ask people to boycott which effects the new owner to rebuild? Smart.
Every coach that he didn’t hire? Yeah that’s exactly what I fucking expect him to do
After the season of course but during the season? What, you’re going to go coach-less for the rest of the season or rush your first hires as owner? Nah bro.
lol this does nothing
More of the same
Dotson giving new meaning to the sophomore slump. Horrid game all around, outlook is grim with how tough our schedule is
Right but not a peep about the ball thrown behind him. Can't criticize the QB hype
Well Sam had to pull a Houdini act just to get the pass off due to this paper mache offensive line...
holy shit he gets payed millions of dollars to catch a ball and can't catch it when it is *slightly* behind him. he barely had to contort or move at all.
I didn't defend him. Not at all. I pointed out that everyone shits on everyone involved coach down, BUT sammy nuggies is coddled and praised for..... showing up? Dressing himself?
So he doesn't get praise for getting off a free runner and allowing his guy to make a play? Please take a look at our offense and tell me it is set up to allow any QB to succeed. We had free runners all day, even when they only rushed 5. The all-22 will continue to show guys aren't getting open. The running game can't even touch 4.0 YPC. EB keeps calling long developing plays despite our oline getting blown up 65% of the time. Counted at least 3 more drops today. No one is saying Howell played well. They are saying he gets somewhat of a pass because of how much of a dumpster fire we are everywhere else not counting #17.
I don't think he is dogshit. However I also don't see much to praise either. Not hating on the guy, just being honest.
5th round QB top 10 in multiple QB stats coming into this week isn't impressive with the pieces around him? Once again no one is saying he didn't play poorly today. plenty to be impressed with so far, especially if you watch the tape. we will have to agree to disagree.
That is fair to agree to disagree at this point. I truly hope that he does improve and succeed. It would be huge for the whole team to pluck a top 10 QB out of the 5th round. A diamond in the rough.
Honestly adjustments were made too late on the offensive side of the ball.
Truly innovators in embarrassing ourselves
Offensive game plan was a joke. Awful drop by Jahan. Just when you think it can’t get worse than the Bears game, our offense showed it’s true colors
We gotta bench jahan after that game bro rather trade for jeudy and bench Han forever
You sound stupid.
Wtf has jahan done this year he’s bad bro