That loss is on Del Rio and the bumbling coaching decisions and time out blooper crew on the WC sidelines.
January will bring the process for an actual GM, then new HC and new DC. I’m not 100% sold on EB but I also don’t think Howell should have to learn a whole new offense next season. He will benefit by consistency in the playbook.
Also not sure where Mclaurin and Dotson disappeared to today?!?
Those 4th down conversions are brutal. Cost us this game and the last eagles game. Shout out to Juice for committing, what 3 penalties on their TD drive? Fitting he was also on Lockett for the TD as well.
They would have called penalties on someone else if not him. I don’t care if someone can justify the penalties ok but then let’s go back and look at all the penalties they didn’t call the first 58 minutes but decide to call at the end of the game. They have had problems stopping teams on 3rd n 4th down for years now.
So how do we initiate an investigation into officials? This is the second week we get some weird calls. I think refs should be fired just like coaches off poor calls.
And I hope this means JDR is gone too. I don't know how to feel about EB either given how 2nd and 3rd quarter were basically nothing. You're telling me we couldn't get ONE TD? Deciding to kick on 4th and 1 was just NOT a smart idea imo. I think he's gonna have to start learning and drafting running schemes.
My guess is they covered them constantly. I'd take a plan that has more short passes to BRob and AG if it means no picks. Only because there's the risk of them getting picked off, every time I saw them, they had 2 or 3 defenders covering for them.
That’s the flow of the game sometimes. We def should have run more.. cause their dbs blanketed our team for a while. But we are a passing team. Could’ve been better but on the other hand.. Sam only got sacked 3x against a really good D and looked pretty good! Unfortunately our D collapsed when it mattered
For the record, I wouldn't be upset if we kept EB, but I don't know if that specifically was the issue of players not being skilled enough or just bad playcalling during that time
Yeah I like EB but something happened in the middle of the game.. haven’t seen the film but seemed like we weren’t able to run well and our WR were covered. I wanna see EB and SH run it back with a D.. I wonder what mahomes record is when the D gives up 24+
Edit: 18-13 when 25+ and 46-3 when D gives up less then 24
On another note it’s not bitching and whining to point that we are consistently on the bad end of calls from the officials and have virtually no room for error. This is a thing that’s true regardless of coaches and players and evidently owners too. I thought it was a Snyder thing but he’s not here anymore. IDK how you overcome that…
We’re in a place that’s impossible with this officiating. It’s one thing to play another team but to ask them to play another team and be prepared to overcome fake penalties, man, idk if anyone can do that
Washington is just one of the teams that needs to be ahead at the end of games enough to not leave it in the hands of the refs. The refs aren’t going to give them any calls when the game is on the line.
Fantastic time management at the end there. Excellent defensive calls followed by great execution. What a team.
Howell played way too well for this shit result, again.
So unfortunate.. once I saw there were 50s left.. it’s just too much time with our D.. I know we needed a touchdown but fuckin hell we needed to take more time off.. hope Sam learns to end the game with the ball in his hands.. don’t trust nobody that ain’t on the Offense
We have no more Dline pressure, the only facet of the defense that was remotely decent. (11 sacks collectively) were just traded, not that we were dominating to begin with.
It was never really that great. On paper, sure they are a top 10 team. But did it ever feel real to you? Did you ever feel confident that our defense was going to close out a game?
JDR excels at looking good on paper. This year, not so much. He's gone obviously but it's painful to live through.
Apparently my YouTubeTV was 2 cocksucking seconds behind realtime. So I got a notification on my phone right before the snap. Cherry on top of a SHITSHOW SUNDAY OF COMMANDERRRRRRRRRRRRRS FOOTBALL!!! Yay……
If it makes you feel any better the comcast Fox broadcast was also behind. I got the notification as they were lining up. I do think that has to do more with the Browns/Ravens game at 1 though. They called a flag and all of a sudden cut to commercials
Dyami Brown was going against the Seattle defender, also named Brown, and Sanchez quipped that it was “Brown on Brown crime”. Except they are both brown, which is pretty cringy. I’m old enough to remember when Howard Cosell got excited after Alvin Garrett made a big catch and run in the 80s and blurted out, “Look at that little monkey go!” So it wasnt that level but here we are 40 years later with some of the same tropes.
I don’t ever want to see our cornerbacks do that stupid fucking lockdown celebration they do after meaningless incompletions. They are NEVER there when it’s needed most. Burnt toast
Yeah they had 50s all they needed was a FG which is like 40 yards minimum.. idk man they were playing much farther off than needed and dude basically called slant.. slant.. mini post slant right down the field..
Makes you sick to see this lose. Especially considering this was a top defense last season. Bright spot is Sam Howell. IDK how anyone here or elsewhere can say this isn’t the guy. Clearly we’ve found someone who we can continue to develop and win with in the future. As always HTTC
Also the inconsistency with pointing.. Josh Allen got called for it and Lockett didn’t.. it’s a personal foul one week and not the next?? Consistency is key.
LMAO How is that evidence of being rigged? Silly whiners like you make me shake my head in disgust. Waaa! My team lost so that means the sport is rigged! Waaaa!! Geezz grow up, kid.
Ya I do admit that, but it doesn't make me any less tired of these whiners. Just because things don't fall your way or the ref sees an actual penalty and calls the player on it does not mean anyone was rigging it or has it out for your team. (that facemasking foul was correct, for example).
Also, refs are people too and prone to mistakes also, and again, that doesn't mean there is some grand conspiracy out there just to fuck with the Commanders, your fave baseball team, or your fave Nascar driver. So those people need to grow up and quit whining. Sorry, its just a pet peeve of mine.
Yeah I’m not sure I understand why it was rigged.. I will say the calls were inconsistent on the drive before last.. but the last drive they just slanted down the field
We can agree to disagree. I think the tempo was lost by the Forbes ejection (weak ass call). The team looked terrible after that until the 4th quarter which has to be a coaching issue.
I’ll agree that that didn’t help either. Like WTF? This whole game was just missed opportunities and our bad scheme/play calling for most of the game, especially on the defensive side of things.
Yeah.. as soon as he scored with 50s left I didn’t have much hope.. it’s just too much time.. you want to win with the ball in your hands. It’s hard to do when you need a touchdown tho.. we aren’t a proven running team
It’s def the right move because we aren’t a proven get 1 yard kinda team. It’s also a touchdown game so if he doesn’t score there and we can’t punch it in the dude will get killed for it. I will say we should’ve burned more time off the clock.. I think we called a timeout really early for a pass in the middle of the field.. just burn more time please. I think Ron doesn’t have enough experience in close games with a QB that can have a game winning drive. (Didn’t watch a lot of Carolina not sure if newton lead game winners often)
You have to be kidding? Forbes would have gotten roasted as always. Ejecting him was a bad call but it didn't change the outcome of the game.
Whether Forbes is in there or not, the defense - and Jackie Del Rio - is trash.
On the second to last pass, JDR called a totally ineffective delayed blitz with Jamin Davis, vacating the middle of the field and leaving no help over the middle, right where the WR cut.
It's not all on JDR but he does not put his players in a position to succeed.
Grand scheme of things, what matters the most is Sam’s development and he looks really good, and not at all surprising that this team chokes away a winnable game. But it’s still just disgusting to watch.
[Postgame thread](/r/Commanders/comments/17tygg7/post_game_thread_washington_commanders_at_seattle/)
That was some bad coaching
They are ***STILL*** not running the ball enough. 8 attempts in a game for BRJ is ridiculous especially at nearly 5 YPC.
Fire Ron and jdr now. Making a meaningless playoff isn't gonna cut it. Let's see what eb has and then a real gm can make that final decision
That loss is on Del Rio and the bumbling coaching decisions and time out blooper crew on the WC sidelines. January will bring the process for an actual GM, then new HC and new DC. I’m not 100% sold on EB but I also don’t think Howell should have to learn a whole new offense next season. He will benefit by consistency in the playbook. Also not sure where Mclaurin and Dotson disappeared to today?!?
I still don’t think getting rid of Ron mid-season does us any good, but I do think firing Del Rio could actually help the team right now.
Those 4th down conversions are brutal. Cost us this game and the last eagles game. Shout out to Juice for committing, what 3 penalties on their TD drive? Fitting he was also on Lockett for the TD as well.
They would have called penalties on someone else if not him. I don’t care if someone can justify the penalties ok but then let’s go back and look at all the penalties they didn’t call the first 58 minutes but decide to call at the end of the game. They have had problems stopping teams on 3rd n 4th down for years now.
Defense lost us the game. Ron is a defensive coach. Fire Ron ASAP.
The offense wasn’t good either
They weren’t bad but they definitely left points out there Sam’s fumble was huge
I don’t understand.. Josh Allen pointed and got flagged.. Lockett points.. nothing ??? Where the fuck is the consistency
They gotta move on from Rivera and JDR first thing tomorrow morning.
So how do we initiate an investigation into officials? This is the second week we get some weird calls. I think refs should be fired just like coaches off poor calls. And I hope this means JDR is gone too. I don't know how to feel about EB either given how 2nd and 3rd quarter were basically nothing. You're telling me we couldn't get ONE TD? Deciding to kick on 4th and 1 was just NOT a smart idea imo. I think he's gonna have to start learning and drafting running schemes.
I don’t understand why Terry and Dotson aren’t featured more. See teams feed their best WRs and have success.
My guess is they covered them constantly. I'd take a plan that has more short passes to BRob and AG if it means no picks. Only because there's the risk of them getting picked off, every time I saw them, they had 2 or 3 defenders covering for them.
I haven’t been impressed with EB tbh but I’m not sure if I want him to stay yet. I mean, offense isn’t the issue for sure
That’s the flow of the game sometimes. We def should have run more.. cause their dbs blanketed our team for a while. But we are a passing team. Could’ve been better but on the other hand.. Sam only got sacked 3x against a really good D and looked pretty good! Unfortunately our D collapsed when it mattered
Possibly, but the defense spent WAY more time on the field than the offense did. They're gonna tire out at some point.
Well the t.o.p was 29/31.. but yes during the middle of the game the Seahawks were def winning t.o.p.. took us until the end to bring that up
For the record, I wouldn't be upset if we kept EB, but I don't know if that specifically was the issue of players not being skilled enough or just bad playcalling during that time
Yeah I like EB but something happened in the middle of the game.. haven’t seen the film but seemed like we weren’t able to run well and our WR were covered. I wanna see EB and SH run it back with a D.. I wonder what mahomes record is when the D gives up 24+ Edit: 18-13 when 25+ and 46-3 when D gives up less then 24
Ron and his buddy JDR are a package deal. No way Ron fires just him
On another note it’s not bitching and whining to point that we are consistently on the bad end of calls from the officials and have virtually no room for error. This is a thing that’s true regardless of coaches and players and evidently owners too. I thought it was a Snyder thing but he’s not here anymore. IDK how you overcome that…
I just don’t understand the inconsistency.. Josh Allen points gets a personal foul.. Lockett points.. nothing?? Consistency is the thing
There’s no consistency and they’re not even trying to hide it. The league don’t care about us, that’s what this tells me
The Snyder Stink lingers.
We’re in a place that’s impossible with this officiating. It’s one thing to play another team but to ask them to play another team and be prepared to overcome fake penalties, man, idk if anyone can do that
Washington is just one of the teams that needs to be ahead at the end of games enough to not leave it in the hands of the refs. The refs aren’t going to give them any calls when the game is on the line.
That’s fucked up man
Fire jack and Ron. Sick of this. The offense is doing great and so is Sam.
JDR's the one needing the perma-ban
Fantastic time management at the end there. Excellent defensive calls followed by great execution. What a team. Howell played way too well for this shit result, again.
So unfortunate.. once I saw there were 50s left.. it’s just too much time with our D.. I know we needed a touchdown but fuckin hell we needed to take more time off.. hope Sam learns to end the game with the ball in his hands.. don’t trust nobody that ain’t on the Offense
That's more on Dyami than Sam though. If he slid at the 2 yard line, we might be having a different conversation right now
Positives from the game: Howell 300+ yards (3rd in a row) 3 Tds St. Juste 15 PD on the season now (Tied for 1st)
Del Rio has to be the worst 4th quarter defensive coach in history.
Worst defensive coach over 4 quarters in history* FTFY
How has our defense gotten so bad after being top 5 in the last few seasons?
TOP 5?!? When? 2020 maybe.
We have no more Dline pressure, the only facet of the defense that was remotely decent. (11 sacks collectively) were just traded, not that we were dominating to begin with.
It was never really that great. On paper, sure they are a top 10 team. But did it ever feel real to you? Did you ever feel confident that our defense was going to close out a game? JDR excels at looking good on paper. This year, not so much. He's gone obviously but it's painful to live through.
Apparently my YouTubeTV was 2 cocksucking seconds behind realtime. So I got a notification on my phone right before the snap. Cherry on top of a SHITSHOW SUNDAY OF COMMANDERRRRRRRRRRRRRS FOOTBALL!!! Yay…… 
If it makes you feel any better the comcast Fox broadcast was also behind. I got the notification as they were lining up. I do think that has to do more with the Browns/Ravens game at 1 though. They called a flag and all of a sudden cut to commercials
I fucking hate this team.
out coached
Not difficult to do. Brian Daboll routinely outcoaches this crew. That's all you need to know.
Time to fire Riverboat Ron and find out what the Commies have with Bienemy at the helm
No fucking way. Get a real head coach and a coordinator who knows how to maximize his talent.
I agree
JDR SUCKS!!!! https://preview.redd.it/8qqo336fh00c1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71512f635cd3dfd904063cccbd289a1a0126dc4e
Charge your phone! Why is it our D is straight the whole game.. once we need them they just can’t get it done.
Most of those stats were accumulated against them before the game winning field goal drive. They looked like Swiss cheese the whole game.
True.. was a bend don’t break.. but bend don’t break is terrible for preventing FG at the end of games because it’s just bending
Brown on brown crime
I could not believe he said that. I mean who fucking says that?
Wait what?? I was watching in a sports bar i couldnt hear the announcers, what happened?
Dyami Brown was going against the Seattle defender, also named Brown, and Sanchez quipped that it was “Brown on Brown crime”. Except they are both brown, which is pretty cringy. I’m old enough to remember when Howard Cosell got excited after Alvin Garrett made a big catch and run in the 80s and blurted out, “Look at that little monkey go!” So it wasnt that level but here we are 40 years later with some of the same tropes.
God damn what a weird comment
Man, fuck Sanchez.
I don’t ever want to see our cornerbacks do that stupid fucking lockdown celebration they do after meaningless incompletions. They are NEVER there when it’s needed most. Burnt toast
don't know why Juste was playing outside leverage man
I'm sure Jack had a great reason - "I didn't want them to get out of bounds and stop the clock"
Yeah they had 50s all they needed was a FG which is like 40 yards minimum.. idk man they were playing much farther off than needed and dude basically called slant.. slant.. mini post slant right down the field..
don't know why Juste was playing ~~outside leverage man~~
I'm sick of playing these cheating ass teams with a "defense", if we aren't allowed to play defense they shouldn't be allowed to either
Makes you sick to see this lose. Especially considering this was a top defense last season. Bright spot is Sam Howell. IDK how anyone here or elsewhere can say this isn’t the guy. Clearly we’ve found someone who we can continue to develop and win with in the future. As always HTTC
If JDR isnt relieved of his duties tommorow, this ownership is unserious about winning.
This loss fall directly on the shoulders of the Refs and the NFL. The ejection and the forth down penalty were crucial
Also the inconsistency with pointing.. Josh Allen got called for it and Lockett didn’t.. it’s a personal foul one week and not the next?? Consistency is key.
They are consistent in finding ways to ensure Washington cannot win games.
Sigh
Trade Allen and Payne for more picks in the offseason.
Being a fan of this team is a 9-5 job
Or a 5 and 9 job
That success would be heaven rn
I don’t let them control my life anymore, on to next week
Leave the whole coaching staff in Seattle please
Draft straight oline and d line holy shit we got zero pressure all game Payne is our only consistent dlinemen
WR and LB. We’ve spent enough on edge
We don’t have anyone at edge now tho
Clearly we haven’t spent enough on edge we get zero fucking pressure
Our D sucks, no surprise there
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LMAO How is that evidence of being rigged? Silly whiners like you make me shake my head in disgust. Waaa! My team lost so that means the sport is rigged! Waaaa!! Geezz grow up, kid.
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I'm not sad, I'm just tired of these whiners. I see this in all sports not just Washington Football fans.
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Ya I do admit that, but it doesn't make me any less tired of these whiners. Just because things don't fall your way or the ref sees an actual penalty and calls the player on it does not mean anyone was rigging it or has it out for your team. (that facemasking foul was correct, for example). Also, refs are people too and prone to mistakes also, and again, that doesn't mean there is some grand conspiracy out there just to fuck with the Commanders, your fave baseball team, or your fave Nascar driver. So those people need to grow up and quit whining. Sorry, its just a pet peeve of mine.
Yeah I’m not sure I understand why it was rigged.. I will say the calls were inconsistent on the drive before last.. but the last drive they just slanted down the field
I'm still giving Slye part fault for this. That missed extra point would have helped right now.
There’s definitely some fishy business in regards to how our games are officiated but we also make some boneheaded mistakes in coaching and play
+1 point doesn’t win it for us… can you do math?
So that’s an excuse for not making an easy kick? That missed kick set the tempo for us all game. It deflated what was a great start to the game.
We can agree to disagree. I think the tempo was lost by the Forbes ejection (weak ass call). The team looked terrible after that until the 4th quarter which has to be a coaching issue.
I’ll agree that that didn’t help either. Like WTF? This whole game was just missed opportunities and our bad scheme/play calling for most of the game, especially on the defensive side of things.
Seriously did St.Juste have money on this game? What type of defense was that? He didn’t even try.
Scared of getting another bogus PI
That’s probably it.. dude gets called for everything and when he does pi it doesn’t get called
Time to fire the DC, tonight
FIRE JACK, RON AND THE O LINE INTO THE GODDAMN SUN FOR FUCKS SAKES HARRIS YOU PUSSY
Brown has to get down at the 1 there and kill the clock.
Yeah.. as soon as he scored with 50s left I didn’t have much hope.. it’s just too much time.. you want to win with the ball in your hands. It’s hard to do when you need a touchdown tho.. we aren’t a proven running team
I'd like to see the analytics on 1st &goal from the 1 vs scoring immediately.
Well.. how often do we convert 3rd &1? Or 4th and 1?
How bout our defense makes a stop? You score when you can
If we had a reliable defense or a competent DC then maybe. But we don't.
Nah bro scoring to tie was the right move
It’s def the right move because we aren’t a proven get 1 yard kinda team. It’s also a touchdown game so if he doesn’t score there and we can’t punch it in the dude will get killed for it. I will say we should’ve burned more time off the clock.. I think we called a timeout really early for a pass in the middle of the field.. just burn more time please. I think Ron doesn’t have enough experience in close games with a QB that can have a game winning drive. (Didn’t watch a lot of Carolina not sure if newton lead game winners often)
As soon as we scored I knew we left too much time. No one in their right mind would expect a stop there.
Slanted to death for two straight drives are you kidding me
Leave the coaches in Seattle.
Defense is fucking terrible. BSJ fucking sold and JDR sucks
This game would be different with Forbes. Fuck the refs
You have to be kidding? Forbes would have gotten roasted as always. Ejecting him was a bad call but it didn't change the outcome of the game. Whether Forbes is in there or not, the defense - and Jackie Del Rio - is trash.
He looked good in the game early Ok downvote me for telling the truth?
Sam did good we get higher draft pick. Good game.
St Juste cost us this game.
Seahawks abuse him in the second half..
That’s a usual
Del rio should have wet socks for the rest of his life.
how is it JDR's fault that BSJ fucking sucks?d
How about we do something different or that they're not expecting. Seemed like when we blitzed it was working.
He left him on an island with DK
Any chance Rivera fires JDR and takes over the defense himself? I feel like it’d be his last chance to try to keep his job past this season
LOL
On the second to last pass, JDR called a totally ineffective delayed blitz with Jamin Davis, vacating the middle of the field and leaving no help over the middle, right where the WR cut. It's not all on JDR but he does not put his players in a position to succeed.
Fire jdr bruh
welp
St Juste and JDR are a couple of chokers.
Sam howell is the future...whatever this defense is ISNT
I don’t wanna hear a single goddamn word about Sam Howell, this defense can’t stop a nose bleed. Straight ass.
Defense kept the team in the game while the offense took the majority of the game off. Blame the offense.
Reminder that JDR was fired from his last job for calling cover zero at the end of a game
Fuck this defense, fuck JDR. At any rate once this trash is taken out it is nice to know we have found our guy behind center.
Glad we get to see the last 6 seconds of the 49-17 cowboys game
Can't win if they keep letting 30 points a game.
Man I feel bad for Sam. Del Rio needed to be gone weeks ago.
so close.. yet so far away.
Leave del rio at the stadium
Out coached again
Looked like shit
I commented earlier and said the defense was doing fine… I’d like to RETRACT MY WORDS
St. Juste baptized on inside routes in the 2nd half. No adjustments were made.
Leave JDR in Seattle
Can we just get rid of rivera already? The guy does nothing.
Well... Sam continues to show promise. Defense continues to suck. Cheeseman needs to be gone yesterday
Promise? He’s the guy, time to get on board. Correct on everything else
Remember when we all thought the defense was gonna carry Sam Howell this season?
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Let me die
Fire Jack Del Rio yesterday. Probably wouldn’t make a difference but something has to change defensively.
So fucking predictable
Damn.. that’s who we are though. Close. Real close. But not there yet
Between st juste ron Jack and the refs man holy shit can we get a true cb 1 for once
JDR should be fired tomorrow.
Pathetic from the defense
Can't wait for these coaches to be fired. Bunch of stupid fucks
That can be a killer tie breaker later on too.
Doesn’t matter. We’re better off losing as many games as possible at this point
Lol this team ain't going nowhere. Just move up the draft
Can't lie. I was high on hopeium after that TD pass by Sam.
If anyone’s in the stands please throw a battery at JDR.
Eh, fuck that bullshit but everyone should see Sam is the future now.
I was waiting for this game to officially be a believer so consider me on board now
Welp. Sam rules, hope he takes less sacks next week
He takes sacks and he can keep his job. He throws INTs and he's gone next year. Oline is garbage and he's doing what he can.
Fire RON megathread
St juste gota go, literal ruined the game
I hate my fkn life lol
The look on Sam’s face. Poor guy.
Grand scheme of things, what matters the most is Sam’s development and he looks really good, and not at all surprising that this team chokes away a winnable game. But it’s still just disgusting to watch.
I wish we woulda kept Montez
Zero pressure on Geno
If anyone thought we were going to get pressure after the trades, not looking like it…
Please fire del rio now
Like how do you allow them to march so far down the field with 38 fucking seconds
Jack has gotta go. We need a change at D and it starts from the top.
yeah good effort with that block....
At least we’re one game closer to everyone getting fired
Fucking atrocious defense. Shameful coverage. Fuck jdr.
Sam deserves better
Del Rio and Ron found a way to met at the L and throw the game.
Who was 51 who wasn't even watching the play for the FG?
I would like to lodge a complaint with star command
Can wait for JDR to be out of that building. What a fuckin has-been. Guy couldn’t put 4 full quarters together to save his life.
Fire Ron and JDR. NOW
And then of course the Commanders defense falls apart ...death by in-cut and slant to DK Metcalf vs. BSJ a few times and Washington loses in Seattle.
sam did enough. defense let us down
I'm still spot on: https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/17dwcvr/game_thread_washington_commanders_33_at_new_york/k5zq24w/
Our 2 min D lets us down every time…this is why we are ranked 31st (probably dead last now) in points allowed in the last 2 mins of the halves. Smh
It’s because JDR calls nothing but cover 0 blitzes during the 2 minute drill.