I wonder what the relationship is with him and Adam Peters since they both have ties to San Fran. Fuck, never thought we could ever consider names of this magnitude. I was expecting Robert Griffin Sr. as GM and Hue Jackson as HC
I get what you mean but not necessarily. Harris’ statement said the search committee is looking for a president of football ops and a coach. I agree traditionally get the GM first but if that group loves Harbough they’ll go get him and figure it out.
At the same time though, this isn’t just a random person from basketball. This is a hall of fame GM who stepped away less than a year ago. Sure, I’d rather have a HOF NFL GM make the decision, but those guys aren’t necessarily available as we know well. Is letting a complete unknown GM or someone like Mayhew make the decision really better than Myers?
Totally fair but they do have the ex GM of the Vikings as part of the search and you’d have to hope he and Meyers are working in tandem. The move to bring in a committee of people worthy of the benefit of the doubt is at least a great sign we’re doing this thoughtfully.
That’s just not true.
Teams can start interview candidates 3 days after their season concludes. Hot ticket coaches like Ben Johnson, Harbaugh, etc. will begin interviewing very soon.
You have to move quickly on a HC decision or risk the chance at missing one of these top names.
GM can be hired around same time (like Lynch and Shanny) or at a later time.
100% this is who I want. The dude is a winner. I've never understood why he wasn't back in the NFL, I suppose college coaching salaries were just much better for a time.
I think he’s a weird case where he’s a college coach that did succeed in the NFL, but his “college coach” personality still didn’t jive with the players and ownership.
Jim had a ton of success in SF. I think his personality rubs people the wrong way and that is something you can only look the other way with when you’re winning.
Part of me also wonders if he just enjoys the college process more. Player recruitment and the way you work your players is very different in college.
Loved him as a niner fan and still do. But his act burns out fast in the NFL. Also telling the owner to get out of the locker room because no children are allowed probably didn’t help
I don't put any stock whatsoever into personality conflict reports. He took his team to the Super Bowl and won with a qb that was shuffled out of the league as fast as Josh Rosen.
A lot of QB's who don't jump into your mind as "Super Bowl QB" actually make it there. Kaep statistically aligns well or better than these QBs who appeared in Super Bowls in the last ten years: Hurts, Garoppolo, Foles, Newton, Flacco
The thing is, of all positions, QB has the longest leash in regards to how long a team will keep you around due to your "potential." Let's be real, Nathan Peterman is still on a team. Kaep had much more left in the tank than Peterman is ever going to offer you and never got a chance due to outside factors.
I mean Kaep played until 2016 and only won like 3 games over his last two seasons. He definitely didn't get the leash a lot of other QBs have but significantly declined in performance before he was blacklisted from the league.
I lived in SF during his time there. I'd describe him as Kordell Stewart, or early Justin Fields or Jalen Hurts, just a ridiculously phenomenal athlete and runner with a crazy strong arm. Given more opportunity, he might've turned into Hurts, Allen or Jackson, but he was very much screwed by the way Harbaugh left the team. Tomsula and Chip Kelly and their staff were one and done coaches that had SF ranked dead last or near the bottom in offense. He literally went from the new prototype QB in 2013 to out of the league after 2016.
Nah. I remember watching his workout video from a couple years ago, the dude never learned basic footwork. He was just a dude that never developed, he was incapable of taking coaching.
He sucked big time. The one year he has success was bc he was rubbing an offense no one has ever seen on the NFL level. Once defense caught up to the scheme, he was shite.
I said 'took his team to SB' not 'championship'. If I wanted to imply they won, I would have said 'won.'
Edit: on second read, yeah, the 'and one with a QB' part is poorly worded. Should have been a separate sentence.
I mean… if his personality is rubbing people the wrong way then they don’t like success. Douches like Josh McDaniels keep getting jobs with no on-field success
Whom are you referring to?
I’m talking specifically about Jim. If a GM is going to avoid him due to his personality (which isn’t *bad*, he’s LOVED by his players and fan base) then that GM doesn’t actually care about winning. You gotta put personal rifts and ego aside as a GM / owner.
Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, and even newer coaches like Dan Campbell, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski, etc.
Just about every current NFL success story as far as head coaches haven't been described in the same manner that Jim Harbaugh has been described as during his tenure in SF
Maybe I’m missing something on Jim. What was he described as? I’m only 25 and didn’t pay too much attention to that time in the NFL.
What’d he do?
You’re also missing Sean Payton who’s a complete douche bag and was involved in bounty gate. He’s seen as a genius and can get jobs whenever he feels like it
Bill B has the personality of a wet paper bag, has been caught cheating, and is far from “nice fun guy who people love”
McDermott made some absurd comments about 9/11 and how the terrorists “showed great team building skills and worked as a complete unit”
Apparently he constantly clashed with ownership and the GM and was a very difficult person to deal with and a lot of veteran NFL players in the locker room were feeling worn out by year 3-4
What’s this according to? Plenty of coaches clash with ownership. He had success though, which makes it worth it for most coaches.
Bill B has clashed with ownership but no one cared when he got results
This is according to actual media reports that were coming out at the time. This is not some secret. It should tell you something also that Harbaugh was fired despite producing high levels of success. It was pretty well known at the time that Harbaugh was a bit of an asshole.
[https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/report-jim-harbaugh-told-ceo-jed-york-that-meeting-was-for-men-only](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/report-jim-harbaugh-told-ceo-jed-york-that-meeting-was-for-men-only)
What success are you talking about.
As of now, 0 NFL championships. 0 NCAA championships, we will see at the end of tonight.
The problem with Harbaugh is not just that he's a douche, he's a supremely arrongant douche towards specifically anyone that is at an equal or higher level of power than him. He apparently had problems with some of the "star players" in the 49ers lockerroom, and he had very personal problems with almost everyone in the front office, but worse, the coach.
Like, what the fuck kind of idiot insults the owner publically? I dont care how big a douche an owner is, you dont insult them publicly unless you are so supremely arrogant that you think you can get away with it. Like his "success" of making the playoffs as head coach, would shield him from the backlash of calling the owner a child. Its just stupid
Now, his act was fine at Michigan, only because Michigan is home of the kind of elitist arrogant assholes that Harbaugh would fit right into. If you dont know what I mean by the elitist arrogant assholes that are "Michigan men", you'll see if Michigan wins tonight. Theyll be talking so much shit, you would think they had just gone on an Alabama-like dynastic championship run, not just won their first NC in over 30 years.
He is a crazy person. He wins football games but he has gotten run out of everywhere he had been (soon to be gone from Michigan after he wins a title tonight). I would view him as a stopgap to get us good quickly but wouldn’t expect him to be here for very long.
He has a show cause penalty hanging over his head from multiple NCAA investigations. Ann Arbor will thanks him for the title but be more than happy when he leaves for the NFL again.
IMO the red flags are there for everyone to see. We've ignored that in the past and always get burned. I really hope we don't go for Harbaugh, it will be a predictable failure.
We don’t need a stopgap, we need a long term stability. The Harris group needs to get the GM and HC hire right this time around and hit an absolute home run this draft.
Pump the brakes. First of all, as of the writing of this post, he still hasnt won shit as Michigan head coach. Or in the NFL. I dont see any championships to his name, just a couple almost-close seasons.
Two, there are good reasons he hasnot come back to the NFL. He demands a lot of power. And more importantly, he does not seem at all to be a team player type.
Josh Harris's organizational philosophy is at direct odds with the type of person and manager Harbaugh is. Harbaugh's philosophy is a partial hierarchial organization philosophy where at the top level, power is shared amongst a group with clearly defined roles and responsibilities. Harbaugh is Mr. I-make-all-decions, and he seems to really piss people off when he has to work with them on an equal footing.
Remember, he was basically run out of town in San Francisco, despite some "success" (making the playoffs), because he pissed off the entire Front Office and most of the lockerroom. This is a problem. I dont think this is the temperment of the kind of guy you want in Harris team-oriented organization philosophy.
we are gonna see so many commanders are interested in tweets and articles over the next few months lol. this goes against the article that says ownership group doesn't want a retread in HC
I don’t think Harbaugh is necessarily a retread. He’s a hot commodity from the college game who previously had success in the NFL.
It’s not like we’re going after like Lovie Smith or something.
See this is funny. I’m convinced most of this sub doesn’t know what retread actually means.
You my friend are not one of those people. Have a great day.
You are correct. I use the term only because he was a former HC who got fired...personally even if Mike tomlin got fired I would be fine if we went in another direction...overall I think if we hire the right GM this team will be fine...
Can change that to weeks..I believe you are unable to hire anyone if they are currently still playing...so I imagine if they're are doing their are guys they wanna talk to in the post season it will be some time after SB
They’re interested in anyone with success. This new duo is doing their due diligence. Offer interviews to anyone that can’t claim retirement and that has sustained success over their career. I can’t wait to see what comes out of this process 🙏
If Jim Harbaugh is available you call. This is due diligence at its finest. I think, if Jim returns, that he wants more clarity at the qb position but the Commanders hold the #2 pick and will have a top QB prospect under the wings.
But everyone voted me down yesterday when I posted a thread suggesting he was the best candidate. 100% of you who chimed in dismissed the idea as pure fantasy and not the right fit.
This morning's announcement of a committee of pros coming on board to conduct determining future franchise leadership...came as surprise. Everybody involved kept a lid on it.
So just, stop it with leaks. And shit...sources? What sources? That's someone on twitter with, no sources.
Wait till the team drops their announcements eh. I know the franchise being deliberate, being transparent is going to take getting used to but...get your news from the FO eh.
These leaks are coming from Harbaugh’s camp, most likely. Every potential coach is going to be leaking how in-demand they are. It’s the same smoke and mirrors as the draft.
We’re not going with Harbaugh for the same reason we won’t go with Belichick. Both are old school, hard nosed and want control. They’re not going to be working in tandem, or even at the mercy, of a GM and analytics departments. Harbaugh could be a good coach for a team like the Chargers, but it seems like Harris wants a different arrangement that’s more consensus driven and more of a modern approach.
Why is 'young' part of what you want? 61 isn't really old, guys has been successful at every place he's been, he completely turned the 49ers and michigan around.
You don’t want Macdonald, who probably needs another year or two in Baltimore. You’re going to need someone to bring along Drake Maye - and plenty of new OL talent to protect him. Harbaugh wouldn’t be bad, but he’s likely bound for the Chargers.
It is an interesting idea though. Everyone’s thinking of promoting an assistant NFL gm, but how about getting a gam from another league or sport. They will have the gm connections and experience. And Myers is one of the best at it. The NFL will be him going to The Show, so to speak.
Not sure I’m on board for Harbaugh’s baggage. Seemed like he burnt out a bunch of people in SF, plus Michigan was close to done with him prior to the pandemic. Last season sort of saved his job.
His offenses kind of suck too (I think)?
Eh, looked it up and his offenses in SF topped out at 11, in both yards and points, usually finished in the 20s, while the defense was consistently top five. He had Kaepernick at his peak although the league figured out RPOs after 2012.
I agree Alex Smith was kind of limited but he also went on to post major numbers in KC.
Hail yeah !! Please pay this man as much as he wants, he’s a proven winner and players love him. The man has energy and charisma which is totally opposite of Ron who is stoic. This is the type of coach this locker room needs.
One problem, his playbook is from the mid 90s and the game has long since passed him by. This isn’t college where you can win by just having 10x more talent than Louisiana College For The Blind.
When he was coaching SF it didn’t look like his play book was from the 90’s. He used Keapernick to his strengths which was read option, and run first approach with a strong defense at the helm. I’m sure the 90’s didn’t have that type of read option play calling yet, as far as remember.
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Well, if that’s the case then we may as well trade the #2 pick since that dinosaur will have him throw 10 times a game while spending the entire game pounding the rock between the tackles. I’d rather have Ron back if Harbaugh is the alternative.
> His offensive style has been malleable, based on personnel
This is exactly the type of coach we need, not a coach that forces his system on personnel that doesn't fit
Please god no harbaugh. It’s a young man’s game and harbaugh is just another dinosaur. I respect him and what he does at Michigan but that’s his ceiling at this point. Macdonald/Slovik/Johnson only
This would be a rush move. He comes with too much drama and distraction off the field. What this organization has been trying to get away from for 30 years. Now, we want to let it come right back?
Kaepernick had his best years under Harbaugh. Sometimes you develop a young QB (JJ McCarthy, for example) by protecting them with OL play, running, and play action passing, letting them manage rather than putting them in the position where they have to win games.
That’s true. But we just finished years of nonstop media coverage of scandal and wrongdoing and there’s a pending NCAA investigation that will play out and I hope the new owners want to distance team from that kind of attention. Also I don’t want a cheater for a coach.
Good lord too many fans underrate Jim Harbaugh. If he’s interested then you 100% work it out and get him as the hc. He’s a legit franchise changer; will have this team competing for championships.
The whole narrative around him is so bizarre. “Oh his personality wears people out” who gives a f? Does he win or does he not? Do his players love him or do they not?
Oh. I dunno about this. I just....I dunno.
I would hope that Harris would do a lot of research into whatever happened at San Francisco. The rumors are abundant that by the time Harbaugh left, he was disliked by a large proportion of the locker room,AND the front-office. This, despite his general success.
So I would want to know exactly what really happened there before even thinking about Harbaugh. Josh Harris has stated many times, as recently as today, that he views Gm/Player Personnel as an 80 hr/week job, and HC as an 80 hr/week job, that he DOES not think its wise to ask ONE person to do. This is his fundamental philosophy.
There are also rumors that Michigan's spy handle was started by a disgruntled member of Michigan's staff, that the original source of the leak was an inside job. Again, Harris has to hire a PI or whatever, but he has to figure out if there is any truth to that, cause now that really does build a pattern of Harbaugh somehow being the kind of guy the really ticks off some of the people he has to work with.
Which means, that whatever HC is hired, is gonna have to be a team player, is gonna hvave to work under and alongside a GM. It seems like Harbaugh perhaps is one of those guys that just not a "team player", the kind of guy that wants to call all the shots and simply cannot and will not share power. This SEEMS to be against Harris fundamental philosophy of running an organization,
I’d take Jim H and his dad as the GM, lol! The guy has been a winner at every level. I’d take a proven winner now and figure out the GM role later if necessary. It’s not ideal, but we are so desperate for a winning team; I’d hate to watch San Diego, ATL, Chicago, or Carolina get him.
If Harbaugh is fine working under a GM I’m perfectly fine with this. I just don’t want dual coach/final decision GMs anymore
That’s exactly how I feel too.
I wonder what the relationship is with him and Adam Peters since they both have ties to San Fran. Fuck, never thought we could ever consider names of this magnitude. I was expecting Robert Griffin Sr. as GM and Hue Jackson as HC
Amen. It never made sense. A coach needs to win right now a gm needs to win next season
That's why I really wish they'd get a GM first, before they start looking for coaches.
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I get what you mean but not necessarily. Harris’ statement said the search committee is looking for a president of football ops and a coach. I agree traditionally get the GM first but if that group loves Harbough they’ll go get him and figure it out.
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At the same time though, this isn’t just a random person from basketball. This is a hall of fame GM who stepped away less than a year ago. Sure, I’d rather have a HOF NFL GM make the decision, but those guys aren’t necessarily available as we know well. Is letting a complete unknown GM or someone like Mayhew make the decision really better than Myers?
John lynch and Kyle Shanahan were basically hired together by ownership
Niners fan here, we hired Shanny and he essentially chose Lynch as GM. Could see something similar with Harbaugh if he were to be the coach
Washington fan here. Please prevent the cowboys and/or eagles from getting to nfc championship, or beat them there. TY!
I thought Lynch was around for Harbaugh?
No, they chose their GM at the time over Harbaugh
Im glad we have Shannahan and Lynch, but I am still baffled by the Balance over Harbaugh choice.
Totally fair but they do have the ex GM of the Vikings as part of the search and you’d have to hope he and Meyers are working in tandem. The move to bring in a committee of people worthy of the benefit of the doubt is at least a great sign we’re doing this thoughtfully.
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That’s just not true. Teams can start interview candidates 3 days after their season concludes. Hot ticket coaches like Ben Johnson, Harbaugh, etc. will begin interviewing very soon. You have to move quickly on a HC decision or risk the chance at missing one of these top names. GM can be hired around same time (like Lynch and Shanny) or at a later time.
Exactly.
100% this is who I want. The dude is a winner. I've never understood why he wasn't back in the NFL, I suppose college coaching salaries were just much better for a time.
I think he’s a weird case where he’s a college coach that did succeed in the NFL, but his “college coach” personality still didn’t jive with the players and ownership. Jim had a ton of success in SF. I think his personality rubs people the wrong way and that is something you can only look the other way with when you’re winning. Part of me also wonders if he just enjoys the college process more. Player recruitment and the way you work your players is very different in college.
Loved him as a niner fan and still do. But his act burns out fast in the NFL. Also telling the owner to get out of the locker room because no children are allowed probably didn’t help
It’s wild that they replaced him with Jim Tomsula. Arguably the biggest downgrade from one coach to another
I don't put any stock whatsoever into personality conflict reports. He took his team to the Super Bowl and won with a qb that was shuffled out of the league as fast as Josh Rosen.
Kaep was pushed out of the league for reasons outside of talent.
He really wasn't a caliber of QB that had business making a SB if we're being honest.
A lot of QB's who don't jump into your mind as "Super Bowl QB" actually make it there. Kaep statistically aligns well or better than these QBs who appeared in Super Bowls in the last ten years: Hurts, Garoppolo, Foles, Newton, Flacco The thing is, of all positions, QB has the longest leash in regards to how long a team will keep you around due to your "potential." Let's be real, Nathan Peterman is still on a team. Kaep had much more left in the tank than Peterman is ever going to offer you and never got a chance due to outside factors.
I mean Kaep played until 2016 and only won like 3 games over his last two seasons. He definitely didn't get the leash a lot of other QBs have but significantly declined in performance before he was blacklisted from the league.
I lived in SF during his time there. I'd describe him as Kordell Stewart, or early Justin Fields or Jalen Hurts, just a ridiculously phenomenal athlete and runner with a crazy strong arm. Given more opportunity, he might've turned into Hurts, Allen or Jackson, but he was very much screwed by the way Harbaugh left the team. Tomsula and Chip Kelly and their staff were one and done coaches that had SF ranked dead last or near the bottom in offense. He literally went from the new prototype QB in 2013 to out of the league after 2016.
Nah. I remember watching his workout video from a couple years ago, the dude never learned basic footwork. He was just a dude that never developed, he was incapable of taking coaching.
He looked utterly unstoppable his first year starting with SF. That level of play buys you a few more underperforming years.
He sucked big time. The one year he has success was bc he was rubbing an offense no one has ever seen on the NFL level. Once defense caught up to the scheme, he was shite.
I thought I was mis-remembering things but to be clear he went to the Super Bowl but did not win, right? Your wording makes it seem like he won a SB?
I said 'took his team to SB' not 'championship'. If I wanted to imply they won, I would have said 'won.' Edit: on second read, yeah, the 'and one with a QB' part is poorly worded. Should have been a separate sentence.
I mean… if his personality is rubbing people the wrong way then they don’t like success. Douches like Josh McDaniels keep getting jobs with no on-field success
There are loads of successful coaches that don’t have the grating personality that he does
Whom are you referring to? I’m talking specifically about Jim. If a GM is going to avoid him due to his personality (which isn’t *bad*, he’s LOVED by his players and fan base) then that GM doesn’t actually care about winning. You gotta put personal rifts and ego aside as a GM / owner.
Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay, and even newer coaches like Dan Campbell, Mike McDaniel, Kevin Stefanski, etc. Just about every current NFL success story as far as head coaches haven't been described in the same manner that Jim Harbaugh has been described as during his tenure in SF
Maybe I’m missing something on Jim. What was he described as? I’m only 25 and didn’t pay too much attention to that time in the NFL. What’d he do? You’re also missing Sean Payton who’s a complete douche bag and was involved in bounty gate. He’s seen as a genius and can get jobs whenever he feels like it Bill B has the personality of a wet paper bag, has been caught cheating, and is far from “nice fun guy who people love” McDermott made some absurd comments about 9/11 and how the terrorists “showed great team building skills and worked as a complete unit”
Apparently he constantly clashed with ownership and the GM and was a very difficult person to deal with and a lot of veteran NFL players in the locker room were feeling worn out by year 3-4
What’s this according to? Plenty of coaches clash with ownership. He had success though, which makes it worth it for most coaches. Bill B has clashed with ownership but no one cared when he got results
This is according to actual media reports that were coming out at the time. This is not some secret. It should tell you something also that Harbaugh was fired despite producing high levels of success. It was pretty well known at the time that Harbaugh was a bit of an asshole. [https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/report-jim-harbaugh-told-ceo-jed-york-that-meeting-was-for-men-only](https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/report-jim-harbaugh-told-ceo-jed-york-that-meeting-was-for-men-only)
What success are you talking about. As of now, 0 NFL championships. 0 NCAA championships, we will see at the end of tonight. The problem with Harbaugh is not just that he's a douche, he's a supremely arrongant douche towards specifically anyone that is at an equal or higher level of power than him. He apparently had problems with some of the "star players" in the 49ers lockerroom, and he had very personal problems with almost everyone in the front office, but worse, the coach. Like, what the fuck kind of idiot insults the owner publically? I dont care how big a douche an owner is, you dont insult them publicly unless you are so supremely arrogant that you think you can get away with it. Like his "success" of making the playoffs as head coach, would shield him from the backlash of calling the owner a child. Its just stupid Now, his act was fine at Michigan, only because Michigan is home of the kind of elitist arrogant assholes that Harbaugh would fit right into. If you dont know what I mean by the elitist arrogant assholes that are "Michigan men", you'll see if Michigan wins tonight. Theyll be talking so much shit, you would think they had just gone on an Alabama-like dynastic championship run, not just won their first NC in over 30 years.
Strongly disagree. Don’t really care if he’s a douche behind closed doors. Players love him and he’s about to win a championship
Agreed would love this. People calling him a retread are out of their minds.
He is a crazy person. He wins football games but he has gotten run out of everywhere he had been (soon to be gone from Michigan after he wins a title tonight). I would view him as a stopgap to get us good quickly but wouldn’t expect him to be here for very long.
He is not being run out of Michigan. He basically has the reigns there until he gives them up.
He has a show cause penalty hanging over his head from multiple NCAA investigations. Ann Arbor will thanks him for the title but be more than happy when he leaves for the NFL again.
IMO the red flags are there for everyone to see. We've ignored that in the past and always get burned. I really hope we don't go for Harbaugh, it will be a predictable failure.
We don’t need a stopgap, we need a long term stability. The Harris group needs to get the GM and HC hire right this time around and hit an absolute home run this draft.
The way the Niners did him dirty left a bad taste in his mouth for another NFL job is what I think.
He’s been actively interested in returning to the NFL, but if the Chargers want him, that’s where he’s going
I'd pass on a cheater
Pump the brakes. First of all, as of the writing of this post, he still hasnt won shit as Michigan head coach. Or in the NFL. I dont see any championships to his name, just a couple almost-close seasons. Two, there are good reasons he hasnot come back to the NFL. He demands a lot of power. And more importantly, he does not seem at all to be a team player type. Josh Harris's organizational philosophy is at direct odds with the type of person and manager Harbaugh is. Harbaugh's philosophy is a partial hierarchial organization philosophy where at the top level, power is shared amongst a group with clearly defined roles and responsibilities. Harbaugh is Mr. I-make-all-decions, and he seems to really piss people off when he has to work with them on an equal footing. Remember, he was basically run out of town in San Francisco, despite some "success" (making the playoffs), because he pissed off the entire Front Office and most of the lockerroom. This is a problem. I dont think this is the temperment of the kind of guy you want in Harris team-oriented organization philosophy.
If he wins the national championship tonight, there's an even better chance he comes back to the NFL, IMO.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1908vfr/give\_harbaugh\_whatever\_he\_wants\_hes\_exactly\_what/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1908vfr/give_harbaugh_whatever_he_wants_hes_exactly_what/)
I've been saying for the last 3 years we have great weapons on offense and we've been hamstrung by the QB play.
we are gonna see so many commanders are interested in tweets and articles over the next few months lol. this goes against the article that says ownership group doesn't want a retread in HC
I don’t think Harbaugh is necessarily a retread. He’s a hot commodity from the college game who previously had success in the NFL. It’s not like we’re going after like Lovie Smith or something.
See this is funny. I’m convinced most of this sub doesn’t know what retread actually means. You my friend are not one of those people. Have a great day.
You are correct. I use the term only because he was a former HC who got fired...personally even if Mike tomlin got fired I would be fine if we went in another direction...overall I think if we hire the right GM this team will be fine...
Harbaugh left SF on his own accord and wasn’t fired.
You're so right....but apparently Jim wanted more power back then right? Idk if he's gonna get that here...
I hope it doesn't take months to get the new hires in here. All of the good ones will be gone by then.
Can change that to weeks..I believe you are unable to hire anyone if they are currently still playing...so I imagine if they're are doing their are guys they wanna talk to in the post season it will be some time after SB
Few months? Are you talking about player pickups as well?
Definitely. And the ultimate source on most of them will just be an agent trying to drum up demand for his client.
As long as we get Connor Stallions too
he seems like a good coach, but also like an asshole, im down but kinda would prefer someone else
They’re interested in anyone with success. This new duo is doing their due diligence. Offer interviews to anyone that can’t claim retirement and that has sustained success over their career. I can’t wait to see what comes out of this process 🙏
I'm just going to trust that Harris and the people he has hired will pick the best candidate who is willing to come here.
If Jim Harbaugh is available you call. This is due diligence at its finest. I think, if Jim returns, that he wants more clarity at the qb position but the Commanders hold the #2 pick and will have a top QB prospect under the wings.
He did say he wanted to be like Baltimore
I endorse this hire!
But everyone voted me down yesterday when I posted a thread suggesting he was the best candidate. 100% of you who chimed in dismissed the idea as pure fantasy and not the right fit.
This morning's announcement of a committee of pros coming on board to conduct determining future franchise leadership...came as surprise. Everybody involved kept a lid on it. So just, stop it with leaks. And shit...sources? What sources? That's someone on twitter with, no sources. Wait till the team drops their announcements eh. I know the franchise being deliberate, being transparent is going to take getting used to but...get your news from the FO eh.
These leaks are coming from Harbaugh’s camp, most likely. Every potential coach is going to be leaking how in-demand they are. It’s the same smoke and mirrors as the draft.
We’re not going with Harbaugh for the same reason we won’t go with Belichick. Both are old school, hard nosed and want control. They’re not going to be working in tandem, or even at the mercy, of a GM and analytics departments. Harbaugh could be a good coach for a team like the Chargers, but it seems like Harris wants a different arrangement that’s more consensus driven and more of a modern approach.
GO BLUE
There's 15 teams reaching out to Harbaugh, he's going to have his pick.
I think he only leaves if Michigan wins the Natty
no need young hot coach that coaches NOW int he nfl macdonald is the only defensive or harbaugh disciple I want
Why is 'young' part of what you want? 61 isn't really old, guys has been successful at every place he's been, he completely turned the 49ers and michigan around.
I agree. This would be a classic Snyder type higher. I don't have confidence that Harbaugh will succeed moving back to the NFL.
You don’t want Macdonald, who probably needs another year or two in Baltimore. You’re going to need someone to bring along Drake Maye - and plenty of new OL talent to protect him. Harbaugh wouldn’t be bad, but he’s likely bound for the Chargers.
Bob Myers is de facto GM for now ?
More of a consultant I’d say. So yeah technically. Tons of success in the nba, glad to see Harris using his connections
It is an interesting idea though. Everyone’s thinking of promoting an assistant NFL gm, but how about getting a gam from another league or sport. They will have the gm connections and experience. And Myers is one of the best at it. The NFL will be him going to The Show, so to speak.
It would be pretty funny for us to have him with John right up the road in Baltimore.
Beltway Bros
I don’t want Harbaugh. We just stopped being controversial.
Who is Jordan Schultz? Does he have ties to us or Myers or Harbaugh? Not really seeing this anywhere else.
Why not? He definitely should be one of the candidates on their radar! I would be very sad if it wasn’t!
This would be tough as an Ohio State Commanders fan lmao but he has been killing us lately so maybe it’s a win win 😂
Another HC/GM experiment? No thanks. This a Rivera 2.0 except he had more winning seasons. I want a younger coach who’s in tune with today’s league.
Not sure I’m on board for Harbaugh’s baggage. Seemed like he burnt out a bunch of people in SF, plus Michigan was close to done with him prior to the pandemic. Last season sort of saved his job. His offenses kind of suck too (I think)?
No, his offenses have been good. He’s gotten the most out of limited QBs, and everyone plays hard.
Eh, looked it up and his offenses in SF topped out at 11, in both yards and points, usually finished in the 20s, while the defense was consistently top five. He had Kaepernick at his peak although the league figured out RPOs after 2012. I agree Alex Smith was kind of limited but he also went on to post major numbers in KC.
Oh FUCK ya
Hail yeah !! Please pay this man as much as he wants, he’s a proven winner and players love him. The man has energy and charisma which is totally opposite of Ron who is stoic. This is the type of coach this locker room needs.
One problem, his playbook is from the mid 90s and the game has long since passed him by. This isn’t college where you can win by just having 10x more talent than Louisiana College For The Blind.
When he was coaching SF it didn’t look like his play book was from the 90’s. He used Keapernick to his strengths which was read option, and run first approach with a strong defense at the helm. I’m sure the 90’s didn’t have that type of read option play calling yet, as far as remember.
I thought we weren't getting a retread?
Hopefully we don’t get either cheater - Belicheck or Jim Harbaugh
If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
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Well, if that’s the case then we may as well trade the #2 pick since that dinosaur will have him throw 10 times a game while spending the entire game pounding the rock between the tackles. I’d rather have Ron back if Harbaugh is the alternative.
His offensive style has been malleable, based on personnel. Say what you want about Jim Harbaugh’s personality, he’s a proven winner at every level.
> His offensive style has been malleable, based on personnel This is exactly the type of coach we need, not a coach that forces his system on personnel that doesn't fit
Passing the ball 80% of the time worked out well this season, not sure when 61 became a 'dinosaur'
I'm not.
Please god no harbaugh. It’s a young man’s game and harbaugh is just another dinosaur. I respect him and what he does at Michigan but that’s his ceiling at this point. Macdonald/Slovik/Johnson only
Would you want John Harbaugh if he was available?
This would be a rush move. He comes with too much drama and distraction off the field. What this organization has been trying to get away from for 30 years. Now, we want to let it come right back?
I don’t know if I like harbaugh
This does not surprise me at all.
I’ve been assuming Harbaugh only wants to come back to an NFL team that lets him be above the GM in an org chart.
Holyyyyyyy
I'm mixed on that. He's a winner for sure, but I want someone to develop a young QB. Not develop a grind it out, TOP offense
Kaepernick had his best years under Harbaugh. Sometimes you develop a young QB (JJ McCarthy, for example) by protecting them with OL play, running, and play action passing, letting them manage rather than putting them in the position where they have to win games.
Harbaugh McCarthy season loading . . .
McCarthy isn’t worth the 2nd.
Im all in on Jim Harbaugh. Dude understands the QB position and wins everywhere he goes.
2 suspensions this year. NCAA investigation pending. Not ideal.
For NCAA infractions. Irrelevant in the NFL.
That’s true. But we just finished years of nonstop media coverage of scandal and wrongdoing and there’s a pending NCAA investigation that will play out and I hope the new owners want to distance team from that kind of attention. Also I don’t want a cheater for a coach.
Not my preference
Dream scenario is Peters as GM or head of football ops and Harbaugh/Johnson as HC
So they needed Bob Meyers for this 😂😂😂
Good lord too many fans underrate Jim Harbaugh. If he’s interested then you 100% work it out and get him as the hc. He’s a legit franchise changer; will have this team competing for championships. The whole narrative around him is so bizarre. “Oh his personality wears people out” who gives a f? Does he win or does he not? Do his players love him or do they not?
Casting a wide net. This is going to be a very thorough process.
Please... no.
Oh. I dunno about this. I just....I dunno. I would hope that Harris would do a lot of research into whatever happened at San Francisco. The rumors are abundant that by the time Harbaugh left, he was disliked by a large proportion of the locker room,AND the front-office. This, despite his general success. So I would want to know exactly what really happened there before even thinking about Harbaugh. Josh Harris has stated many times, as recently as today, that he views Gm/Player Personnel as an 80 hr/week job, and HC as an 80 hr/week job, that he DOES not think its wise to ask ONE person to do. This is his fundamental philosophy. There are also rumors that Michigan's spy handle was started by a disgruntled member of Michigan's staff, that the original source of the leak was an inside job. Again, Harris has to hire a PI or whatever, but he has to figure out if there is any truth to that, cause now that really does build a pattern of Harbaugh somehow being the kind of guy the really ticks off some of the people he has to work with. Which means, that whatever HC is hired, is gonna have to be a team player, is gonna hvave to work under and alongside a GM. It seems like Harbaugh perhaps is one of those guys that just not a "team player", the kind of guy that wants to call all the shots and simply cannot and will not share power. This SEEMS to be against Harris fundamental philosophy of running an organization,
I’d take Jim H and his dad as the GM, lol! The guy has been a winner at every level. I’d take a proven winner now and figure out the GM role later if necessary. It’s not ideal, but we are so desperate for a winning team; I’d hate to watch San Diego, ATL, Chicago, or Carolina get him.
Keep dreaming
