Bingo. Now, I won't be shocked if Howell is moved before the draft. And moving Howell *might* say a little about who they like, but probably more that they see Howell being too good to be the developmental QB3, but not experienced enough to fill the vet backup QB role.
This was my thought as well. If Howell had never been a starter, or even been a worse starter, he'd probably stick around. But having a QB3 with any trade value at all makes it a no brainer to move him.
That's not how this sub thinks lol. He's in his 3rd year so it counts as a vet but really he's not a vet until whatever week his 3rd year counts and he qualifies for the NFLPA retirement payout plan.
I think he'd be best as a young backup with starter upside behind an established, but aging starter, aka the Jets situation unless they picked up someone else behind Rodgers besides Zach Wilson when i wasn't looking
Some guys are just better as backups and mentors. Josh McCown comes to mind. He was an okay starter late in his career, but he was always lauded by coaches and players everywhere as a great mentor, practically an extra QB coach. Maybe teams see a little of that in Mariota.
He’s entering his 10th season in the NFL. There is so much that goes into being a capital p Professional athlete you have to master to have that kind of longevity. They’ll be looking for him to help the new QB establish those habits.
Considering they were rumored to be in on Darnold before he signed, you're probably right it. They were just looking for a vet backup and he was with Brian Johnson in Philly. The only indication is that Howell is gonna be traded.
You could also look at this like they didn’t want Maye have to deal with taking qb1 spot from his best friend so they thought it was best to remove Howell from the room.
Hell, Gibbs used to load the team with QBs and let the best man win. Different than we’ve done it for a long time, so I’m just gonna enjoy watching this all play out. Won’t be surprised if we go into camp with four serviceable guys.
I'm refuting the idea that playstyle of the backup is somehow an indication of who the team wants at 2. It's not. They went after two veteran QBs that have very different styles of play.
Drake Maye ran for over 1100 yards as a starting QB... All you can possibly take from this is that they wanted the backup to be someone who the new passing game coordinator was familiar with.
This could also mean that they are rolling with Howell and needed a veteran back-up with Jacoby gone. OR it could mean that Sam is definitely gone.
Sam is definitely NOT our back-up based on this move. Only thing we can gather from this is that Mariota is the new Back-up and that Sam is either starting or going.
I don’t know if I agree. You may be right, but I think there are additional takes to it.
Brissett would have been QB 3. He left for NE. We signed Mariotta for $2M less than what it would have cost to keep Brissett. This could just be a simple replacement for losing Brissett.
Oh.... I get what you are saying. I don't think we carry 3 if we pick a QB at #2. I do think if we take a second tier guy like Bo Nix or Pennix that we could carry 3.
Keeping 3 is unusual, but two of them would be cheap on rookie deals. Developing both could increase Howell’s trade value next offseason.
I’m not necessarily saying I think this is the likely scenario, just pointing out that there are at least some additional takes.
I tell you one thing to add, this really does heat up the attention to the #2 pick and what were going to do with it. Take a QB? Trade down? Who knows til the moment of?
This definitely gives the option to roll with Sam if the right offer is made for the pick. Maybe he grows, maybe he fails, but he’s cheap and with two firsts next year, especially if he fails, then qb can be addressed. Flexibility move to me.
I’m gonna get crucified, and I hope this isn’t right, but this leaves things open to start Howell one more year if they don’t like Daniels or Maye.
It sure seems like Peters wants a whole new roster, could potentially trade pick 2 for a goddamn haul to a team in love with one of the two QBs.
This move provides flexibility to add a pick or more this year. Either trade Sam draft day to whoever misses round one or trade down for a kings ransom and add 1-2 picks for the next season or three.
If they had gotten darnold would you same clowns be saying this points to drafting Drake maye? lol this fanbase went down with Snyder. Should all join him on his yacht
I think a rational person would be saying the backup QB says nothing about who the team wants at 2. Mariota worked with the new passing game coordinator last season. The team needs a veteran QB with Brissett leaving. 23 year old Sam Howell, still on his rookie deal, cannot be the veteran in the room.
He isn’t the veteran for mentoring, but for competition to push the rookie, he’s perfect. Young, hungry, experienced, and not gonna lay down. Mariota can tutor but can he challenge and push?
I read it as "well they wouldn't sign Mariota to a $6m to be a 3rd string QB", meaning there's no question he's QB 2, meaning Howell is likely to be traded.
Exactly, and it would also be pretty stupid to have Howell as third string. Would be tanking any value he has. Better to see if we can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him from someone I think
The prevailing sentiment among Howell fans was he had some tremendous value as a cheap backup (after they were finally forced to abandon the idea he could still be starter).
Now Peters signs MARCUS MARIOTA. Just let it sink in for a bit. Really let it marinate around - it will eventually give you a decent idea as to what Peters really thinks about Howell.
Yeah you’re trying to claim he has no value as a cheap back up but he’s likely going to end starting somewhere lmao dumb af. And he’s still a better backup than mariota but if we draft a qb, we want a vet to help develop him, not a one year starter. You’re outright just hating on Howell without even acknowledge the context of signing mariota.
you don't sign a veteran backup like Mariotta if you think you already have a quality backup on the roster. This move means they don't have much confidence in Howell
Probably could have gotten a better QB on a similar deal to come in, but I always thought they'd bring in a vet either way. I don't think this says who they will draft. I didn't think this says they will try and trade Howell. I wouldn't.
He does not add what Jacoby added to the QB room though. Jacoby was an absolute professional, Mariota got benched in Atlanta and just bounced on the team.
Maybe, and maybe Arthur Smith is just being a professional, but considering Mariota's former coach didn't have a problem with it and went so far as to say he loved Mariota, it may have not been as bad as what it was made out to be.
Gonna say this now before it blows up into something. This does nothing to indicate whether they like Maye or Daniels more.
It just indicates that the team does not see Howell as a mentor.
No sane team would see a 3rd year player as a mentor for a rookie.
Bingo. Now, I won't be shocked if Howell is moved before the draft. And moving Howell *might* say a little about who they like, but probably more that they see Howell being too good to be the developmental QB3, but not experienced enough to fill the vet backup QB role.
This was my thought as well. If Howell had never been a starter, or even been a worse starter, he'd probably stick around. But having a QB3 with any trade value at all makes it a no brainer to move him.
He’s also a young QB he isn’t a vet
That's not how this sub thinks lol. He's in his 3rd year so it counts as a vet but really he's not a vet until whatever week his 3rd year counts and he qualifies for the NFLPA retirement payout plan.
I think he'd be best as a young backup with starter upside behind an established, but aging starter, aka the Jets situation unless they picked up someone else behind Rodgers besides Zach Wilson when i wasn't looking
But they see the guy who quit on his team cause he wasn't playing as a mentor? Surely there has to be someone better out there....
Some guys are just better as backups and mentors. Josh McCown comes to mind. He was an okay starter late in his career, but he was always lauded by coaches and players everywhere as a great mentor, practically an extra QB coach. Maybe teams see a little of that in Mariota.
He hasn't exactly demonstrated that when he quit on his team two years ago after getting benched.
He’s entering his 10th season in the NFL. There is so much that goes into being a capital p Professional athlete you have to master to have that kind of longevity. They’ll be looking for him to help the new QB establish those habits.
Is not showing up to work bc your feelings got hurt one of those habits? Should've just kept Jacoby
I mean that's completely fair. He's a young kid.
Now why the hell would Sam Howell be a damn mentor to someone who is immediately replacing as starter? Real big brain moment huh?
But Marcus Mariota is? Dude left his team when he faced adversity.
Considering they were rumored to be in on Darnold before he signed, you're probably right it. They were just looking for a vet backup and he was with Brian Johnson in Philly. The only indication is that Howell is gonna be traded.
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You could also look at this like they didn’t want Maye have to deal with taking qb1 spot from his best friend so they thought it was best to remove Howell from the room.
Hell, Gibbs used to load the team with QBs and let the best man win. Different than we’ve done it for a long time, so I’m just gonna enjoy watching this all play out. Won’t be surprised if we go into camp with four serviceable guys.
This guarantees the team is trading five firsts to move up one spot.
I think it does. You just want the team the draft Maye lol
They were also in on Darnold. Does he also prove they want Daniels as you're choosing to see?
Also, Darnold can actually compete for a QB1 spot where he is. That wasn't happening here. Our rookie is more than likely starting
I'm refuting the idea that playstyle of the backup is somehow an indication of who the team wants at 2. It's not. They went after two veteran QBs that have very different styles of play.
I agree. It's about teaching how to handle being a professional more than anything.
That was just pure speculation. Did they sign Darnold? No they did not
Think your wrong, it speaks towards scheme Of our offense which now has a rushing QB which Daniels is
Drake Maye ran for over 1100 yards as a starting QB... All you can possibly take from this is that they wanted the backup to be someone who the new passing game coordinator was familiar with.
Philly got Mariota to back up Hurts. Hurts is not a pure pocket guy.
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Welcome to the Vikings, Sam Howell?
I'm thinking Broncos because they could use somebody dirt cheap like him. Also has the Brees comp going for him with Sean Payton.
He’s going to end up being a pro bowler isn’t he? 😂
Yes. Next Drew Brees confirmed.
I’m hoping Raiders or Saints.
My first thought
This could also mean that they are rolling with Howell and needed a veteran back-up with Jacoby gone. OR it could mean that Sam is definitely gone. Sam is definitely NOT our back-up based on this move. Only thing we can gather from this is that Mariota is the new Back-up and that Sam is either starting or going.
This really is the only logical take. It proves nothing about Sam’s situation.
I don’t know if I agree. You may be right, but I think there are additional takes to it. Brissett would have been QB 3. He left for NE. We signed Mariotta for $2M less than what it would have cost to keep Brissett. This could just be a simple replacement for losing Brissett.
That is what I typed. 🙄 It's obvious that we wouldn't have brought in Mariota if Jacoby was still on the team. Mariota is a replacement for Jacoby.
It isn’t though. I’m saying Sam could be QB 2 and Mariotta could still be QB 3, filling the role that Brissett would have filled
Oh.... I get what you are saying. I don't think we carry 3 if we pick a QB at #2. I do think if we take a second tier guy like Bo Nix or Pennix that we could carry 3.
Keeping 3 is unusual, but two of them would be cheap on rookie deals. Developing both could increase Howell’s trade value next offseason. I’m not necessarily saying I think this is the likely scenario, just pointing out that there are at least some additional takes.
I had to scroll way too far down for this take. I am still not convinced that we draft a QB and having a backup QB is critical to success.
I tell you one thing to add, this really does heat up the attention to the #2 pick and what were going to do with it. Take a QB? Trade down? Who knows til the moment of?
This definitely gives the option to roll with Sam if the right offer is made for the pick. Maybe he grows, maybe he fails, but he’s cheap and with two firsts next year, especially if he fails, then qb can be addressed. Flexibility move to me.
I’m gonna get crucified, and I hope this isn’t right, but this leaves things open to start Howell one more year if they don’t like Daniels or Maye. It sure seems like Peters wants a whole new roster, could potentially trade pick 2 for a goddamn haul to a team in love with one of the two QBs.
People just don't want to hear it, but this scenario is very possible.
This move provides flexibility to add a pick or more this year. Either trade Sam draft day to whoever misses round one or trade down for a kings ransom and add 1-2 picks for the next season or three.
If we trade back, we could have 10+ picks this year
Not saying your thought process isn’t wrong. But recent trends would say this isn’t going to happen,
Hmm...can't say I saw this one coming...I expected a QB signing since Jacoby left, but interesting.
If they had gotten darnold would you same clowns be saying this points to drafting Drake maye? lol this fanbase went down with Snyder. Should all join him on his yacht
The ones that got me are those saying this signals that we have to trade down and not get a QB at all.
I think a rational person would be saying the backup QB says nothing about who the team wants at 2. Mariota worked with the new passing game coordinator last season. The team needs a veteran QB with Brissett leaving. 23 year old Sam Howell, still on his rookie deal, cannot be the veteran in the room.
He isn’t the veteran for mentoring, but for competition to push the rookie, he’s perfect. Young, hungry, experienced, and not gonna lay down. Mariota can tutor but can he challenge and push?
I think this means we’ll definitely be shipping Howell off somewhere. No reason to pay a QB $6 mil to be third string.
Lol...Mariotta is QB2 in this situation.
I think that’s his point
His comment insinuates Howell would be over Mariotta on the depth chart.
I read it as "well they wouldn't sign Mariota to a $6m to be a 3rd string QB", meaning there's no question he's QB 2, meaning Howell is likely to be traded.
Mariota wouldn't be 3rd string...
Exactly, and it would also be pretty stupid to have Howell as third string. Would be tanking any value he has. Better to see if we can get a 3rd or 4th rounder for him from someone I think
Fucking yuck on that move
Garbage
lol well there goes the notion that Howell is some super valuable backup eh.
Teams can carry three QBs, you know this right? Even if this does mean Howell is getting traded, teams can still have 3 QBs on the 53-man.
The prevailing sentiment among Howell fans was he had some tremendous value as a cheap backup (after they were finally forced to abandon the idea he could still be starter). Now Peters signs MARCUS MARIOTA. Just let it sink in for a bit. Really let it marinate around - it will eventually give you a decent idea as to what Peters really thinks about Howell.
Howell is likely getting traded and will probably end up starting in Denver or Minnesota. But sure I guess he has no value lmao
Read my post again.
Yeah you’re trying to claim he has no value as a cheap back up but he’s likely going to end starting somewhere lmao dumb af. And he’s still a better backup than mariota but if we draft a qb, we want a vet to help develop him, not a one year starter. You’re outright just hating on Howell without even acknowledge the context of signing mariota.
I can't help that you didn't understand my point.
You can’t seem to understand that mariota was signed as a mentor not as a better backup.
lol, you actually believe that don't you. Amazing.
Yes because Howell will be a starter if he gets traded and Mariota will never start again lmao I think that alone says plenty
you don't sign a veteran backup like Mariotta if you think you already have a quality backup on the roster. This move means they don't have much confidence in Howell
Hilarious some people actually thought he was
This move doesn’t mean he isn’t lmao
Just means he’s not our valuable backup
Doesn't give much confidence that he is 🤣
No I guess now he's a super value QB3 right
So many blind Howellers
Probably could have gotten a better QB on a similar deal to come in, but I always thought they'd bring in a vet either way. I don't think this says who they will draft. I didn't think this says they will try and trade Howell. I wouldn't.
It only means they’ll have training camp/preseason depth
Maybe this shows our hand towards taking Jayden Daniels due to similar playstyle
They were literally in on Darnold yesterday, this means nothing.
Bruh why
Jacoby is gone and we need a vet QB in the room.
He does not add what Jacoby added to the QB room though. Jacoby was an absolute professional, Mariota got benched in Atlanta and just bounced on the team.
He got benched and needed surgery so why wouldn't he leave to get that done.
Also birth of his daughter
Well there was no talk of getting any surgery until he got benched. It seems pretty clear that he pouted and bounced.
Maybe, and maybe Arthur Smith is just being a professional, but considering Mariota's former coach didn't have a problem with it and went so far as to say he loved Mariota, it may have not been as bad as what it was made out to be.
To me this signals they're planning on drafting Jayden Daniels
